What's Behind The Strange Alliance of Ward McAllister & Mrs. Astor | The Gilded Age S1E5

[@eduardoramirezjr4403]

The “Truman Capote” of his day.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

LOL, I see the comparison. Thanks for commenting!

[@eduardoramirezjr4403]

@@notnek202 By your response, you knew Capote personally.

[@user-ty8ge3kr6i]

I absolutely love your channel! So informative and engaging. Are you going to do a video of the wonderful fashions of Mrs. Astor's 400?

[@finestkindmedicinal5967]

How did they start out at 10 pm? Dear gawd it's 8 pm & I'm in my jammies waiting for #gilded age to start! Love this channel!

[@lindaleelaw5277]

They napped 😴.....

[@finestkindmedicinal5967]

@@lindaleelaw5277 and had servants!!

[@Jerry-hp5sf]

And they usually continued until day break.

[@krystelhardesty9960]

With that kind of money you didn't really need to get up early to do anything you had people for that.

[@fulanideedee8709]

Their lives didn't revolve around a work schedule. Remember in Dowton Abbey, Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham (Maggie Smith) didn't even know what a weekend was.

[@lauralaladarling3775]

Thank you. I appreciate your research into the super-rich elites of The Gilded Age in New York City. Absolute fascinating and beautifully presented and narrated. Bravo. Xxxx❤

[@sharongillesp]

You can bet these wealthy women helped very few if any POC. Those brave women struggled through on their own with no help from wealthy people or their own government. THEY were the true strong, fierce and feisty women in history

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@mtngrl5859]

We are dealing with the top 1% of the 1% here, even today, they aren't concerned with the lives of how the other 99,9% live. So, its not what color one's skin is pigmented its a class thing. Most of the maids in these great homes lived lives where they made maybe $100/year.

[@Nino4073]

Keeping up appearances...and nothing else!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, that is why Mark Twain called it the Gilded Age. What's on the surface is not what is really there. Thank you for your comment.

[@kaleahcollins4567]

They helped usher in the Dollar heiress who married into Europe's nobility ( which helped keep them afloat) .

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Very true. Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@jewlz9095]

I’m loving these amazing videos! The detail is incredible, I bet you do a lot of research on them! Thank you for all the effort ☺️

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

It does take some time to do the research for sure. Glad to have a friendly and encouraging comment. Thanks!

[@steve-o981]

About 30 years ago I was lucky to see the best Nathan Detroit in theatre history, in the best production of Guys and Dolls in history...Mr. Ward McAllister...I mean... Nathan Lane. He's "a peach." Just amazing in every role he's ever played.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@danceteachermom]

How terrible that Mrs Astor did not attend his funeral.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I know. Really. Fair weather friends ...but then he wasn't a friend. Just someone who served a purpose....until he didn't. Thank for joining in the conversation!

[@danceteachermom]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory Thanks for the reply 😊 I've watched a couple/three of your videos and just now noticed that I hadn't subscribed... I really enjoy them! (They are very good!) and I'm subscribed now 😁 So! Thank you for the interesting and fascinating videos you do so we get to be entertained while learning more history, yay! I appreciate it! 🤗

[@BenBennett94]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory like the show, your videos and your responses.

[@squirrellyswirl]

Not really. He proved he couldn’t be trusted and quite frankly, he had no reason to ever have been snobby towards others. I’d say he got what was coming to him.

[@danceteachermom]

Sure, but Mrs Astor wasn't very nice either.... Just saying 🤔😊

[@KandeShack]

I’m loving your channel! You are so well spoken and have done so much research! Keep up the great videos!👏🏻👏🏻

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thank you. I really appreciate it. Takes a lot of work but I love doing it!

[@doreendaykin6693]

Oh dear…..Thanks to you I’m hooked. Watched first 5 episodes until 4:00 am…ugh… AMAZING!!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Fantastic!

[@Richardsonprincess00]

His downfall landed him on social cutting.

[@deniseg812]

I adore Nathan Lane and that is an understatement. But I swear he is channeling Foghorn Leghorn. lol

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@prevosfr]

I laughed so hard when he came on the scene, the only thing I kept thinking was Timon from The Lion King.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Nathan Lane is a funny fellow for sure. Thanks for your comment!

[@vasp99]

Ward McAllister was famous enough to be used as a character in a Gore Vidal novel , Empire , I believe .

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@dalehoward3704]

It's very sad what happened to McAllister. Fascinating history.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for commenting!

[@lizjoyce4846]

Excellent video very interesting please keep them coming

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks, will do!

[@PamPoarch-ht5qn]

Nathan Lane plays McAllister exceptionally well! 👏👏👏

[@hillerymcdonald2303]

I'm loving your channel!! Would you perhaps consider making a video on the inspiration behind Mrs. Chamberlain's character?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I plan on just that as they flush her character out a little more to give me more to go on. THanks for suggestion and hope you subbed!

[@04straw]

Thank you for these videos. I enjoy them as much as I do The Gilded Age. ❤

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Glad you like them!

[@michaelholtzman1463]

Love, love, love what your doing 😍.. thanks for your time and work.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thank you so much!

[@seangibbons1131]

I think that Ward Mc Allister wife Sarah was the granddaughter of Thomas Gibbons who in 1817 employed Cornelius Vanderbilt as a ferry captain on one of his boats on the New York-New Jersey ferry run.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Interesting note on history. Thank you for sharing and keep em coming!

[@shawoLynn]

Nice video 👍🏻 very informative

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thank you! Stay around...more coming!

[@LightoftheMoon]

Nicely done! Thanks 🙂

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

THanks so much. Glad you are here!

[@michaelholtzman1463]

Just goes to show you..if you're not one of them, you could be over in a heartbeat.

[@1zelcat]

The Truman Capote of his day?

[@chuckspoke]

Truman C. of his time. Gays bring the glare and little sparkle to whole event I have heard them say.

[@tabbypanda82]

I’ve subscribed, I really do enjoy your channel ❕❕❕❕🙋🏾‍♀️

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

So appreciate your comment. Thank you!

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[@Mauimom]

To get his "just deserts," McAllister would have to be rather parched. Desserts, the kind you eat, is spelled "desserts." "Desert" means a place like the Mojave."

[@olgacrawford2437]

Thank you very much 😊

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

You are very welcome!

[@daisybollo6094]

Wait, have I missed one? Episode 5 is not out yet to me! 😭😭😭😭

[@04straw]

Me, too! 😢

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

It is out tonight! I just couldn't wait to get a video out. I love this show so much!

[@t-talk-time3582]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory I actually find it quite enjoyable to know the real historical background of the entering new character before the show’s debut. All your videos have enriched the shows experience for me and many of my friends that are fans of the show especially being New Yorkers and extremely familiar with the social evolution of Park, 5th Avenue, Newport and the Hamptons. Thank you!

[@04straw]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory I do, too! I've seen each episode 3 times. Thank goodness for on demand! ❤

[@kaleahcollins4567]

I wonder why they never actually used the Vanderbilt names in the series since they used other actual players of high society?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Hi Kaleah, I answered same question on diff video but will copy and paste here for others who may wonder the same t hing. The show's writer and the show runners changed the name of some of the characters because they wanted to be able to throw in different plot lines that did not necessarily follow the story that is being told. The Russells are based upon some true life people from history but their stories deviate in a number of ways - in fact too numerous to recount here but that is why. Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@camspks]

I did the same last night! 😂

[@lj5801]

I wonder if "The Gilded Age" will go into the similar, but more irreverent, relationship between Mamie Fish and Harry Lehr? Production mistake fyi: Thistle by St Louis Crystal was not created until 1913.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I guess everyone needed a good PR man. Thanks for sharing.

[@lizagsch]

No mention of the Roosevelts

[@lulubelle2009]

Soooo in 2022 terms, Ward McAllister is a stylist & event manager for upscale evens 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yep!😃

[@franklesser5655]

So he was gay.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Ah no. THat is not it. Watch to the end to find out what he did to anger people.But, thanks for the comment!

[@t-talk-time3582]

Way to just sweep up a person’s life and contributions down to one ignorant assumption that reveal more about your own prejudices and insecurities .…. Keep your ignorance out of this educational channel Mr. Frank Kill Joy!

[@BenBennett94]

@@t-talk-time3582 agree and I really appreciate how our host responds tastefully to it.

[@franklesser5655]

@@t-talk-time3582 Perhaps it is you that is taking an honest statement about a historic person's possible sexuality as prejudicial. There is no shame in being gay, as you project. Indeed I am a gay man and do wonder about McAllister's sexuality with what I suspect was a marriage of convenience as well as his interest in society and style.

[@orion8835]

McAllister was aware of many things that yes seem elitist abs were …but really the USA society is rather rough and mercenary in the end. Kind people are few.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@carloshugogeib7961]

But there was also important to be WASP, whits, anglo-saxon and protestant. I have read about a lot.

[@nancydublin3315]

If this society was based on British aristocracy, why is it that Mrs. Astor was at the top? She was of Dutch heritage. The Schermerhorn's.

[@phtevlin]

Feisty women? I'd love to see what you could do with Floride Bonneau Calhoun.

[@Lou_Snuts]

So, he was a "glorified butler."

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Well, more of a party planner. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@Lou_Snuts]

I agree with your differentiation The "butler" did have the responsibility of managing the "household" and insulating the lord and lady of the manor from associating with those of a "lesser" status. However, the "butler" had very limited authority or discretion. Similarly, the "butler," as well as Mr. McAllister were "filtration devices" in order to keep the family from being "inadvertently" exposed to scandal. However, a "butler," whether English or American, DID NOT have the authority to "include" or "exclude." Maybe the proper term which I should have used in describing McAllister would be that of a "Court Chamberlin," who had the "power and authority" to either grant or deny access.

[@lindaleelaw5277]

Are women allowed to comment ? Lol lol 😆

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes of course!

[@silhouettpolefitness]

Mr. Macalister sounds like one of my favorite gay friends.