Face The Nation | MACUA on Stilfontein/ Supra Mahumapelo on spaza shops/ Ngoako Ramatlhodi on GNU

Mining Affected Communities United in Action (MACUA) says it has observed what it calls attempts to dehumanize the miners who remain underground in shaft 11 at Stilfontein Mine. MACUA Executive Director Christopher Rutledge rejects the portrayal by some individuals suggesting that the miners are refusing to leave the shaft. So far, nine bodies have been recovered from the mine.
Advocate Ngoako Ramatlhodi, the former Minister of Mineral Resources, claims that DA Federal Chairperson Helen Zille and FW de Klerk, the last leader of apartheid-era South Africa, had long planned to share power with the ANC in order to undermine it. Ramatlhodi asserts that DA ministers will outshine their ANC counterparts and use this to bolster their campaign in the upcoming election.
South Africa is facing controversy over spaza shops due to fraudulent business registrations and food safety concerns in townships. Recent food poisoning incidents linked to these informal traders have resulted in the deaths of over 20 children and hundreds of hospitalizations. As Premier of North West, Supra Mahumapelo proposed strategies to regulate spaza shops and address illegal mining.
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[@Number_Number_808]

Criminals cannot be treated like any other ordinary human being!

[@sibusisomani1746]

This MACUA dude need to be arrested immediately, he is gaining something from the illegal operations of these illegal miners.

[@motlatsimoabi4273]

Close the holes for Christmas 🎄, South Africa is not a play ground.

[@theodoramathobisa-manyokol7156]

How can this Christopher man compare illegal miners to victims of the holocaust? The insulting nature of his words is just astounding! Whose choice was it to go underground? How many people are starving in South Africa but not breaking the law?😳 shocking!

[@LBR57yt]

True

[@linahmbangula3615]

I am shocked myself we cannot compare the two

[@WamzaPoswa]

He is such an embarrassment I hope he watched himself after this

[@JoyisaSC]

Big up Clement, you kept your cool with that illegal miners handler. SALUTE.

[@loyisomhlegwala1821]

This Christopher guy is probably the zama zama king pin

[@PhemeloReviews]

The first guy is a paid Actor there's no way a grown man like him can wake up and think like that every day ✋🏽

[@jsNkutha-eu3iu]

Every day 😂😂😂😂

[@bathenebuthelezi1614]

😅😅😅I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids......otherwise he's danger to his family

[@LBR57yt]

Yes sir ...its ilegal doings. They should be denied non essentials ..

[@clintdaniels4379]

Life is all about choices. What one sows that exactly shall he reap.

[@BibiMolapisi]

This guy know something take him to jail did he send them under ground nonsense

[@nonhlanhlasithole3957]

He knows who are they working for,and his part of it.

[@sifisodube4686]

South africa its a joke ANC treat foreigners better than us citizens

[@sabelodlamini5590]

If that is the same mind you use to cross the road then you are lucky to be still alive..

[@motshedisimothobi8803]

Am not sure o bua kang empa ole hlanya shame. Bua le your own NGO and people

[@francklikibi6434]

I wonder how the government assists foreigners, you have free house, free electricity, free water, free monthly money, free hospital, free education... what more do you want, why don't you let foreigners breathe? Stop focusing on foreigners instead grab the opportunity ahead of you and make use of it

[@thembibaardman538]

@@sabelodlamini5590 CR just made it easier for Nigerians to come to Mzansi. Does he not know the carnge most of them cause in Mzansi? Ghana is placing restrictions on them. The Seychelles outright banned them. ANC welcomes them.

[@Number_Number_808]

This guy makes me feel so furious

[@Xisomisana]

you and i both , I'm mad he is even in my screen

[@mongezimlambo1635]

We need journalists who ask common sense based questions like Clement.

[@DarkTruthAboutLife]

nah XOLI is the best

[@mongezimlambo1635]

@@DarkTruthAboutLife I was not even comparing the two or any. Clement asks Common sense-based questions and we need more like him in Journalism.

[@DarkTruthAboutLife]

@@mongezimlambo1635 was just saying Xoli is the best qha!

[@theodoramathobisa-manyokol7156]

@@mongezimlambo1635 clearly the guest has zero common sense. All he does is argue.

[@Masonwabe_Kwata]

​@@DarkTruthAboutLife You should've made your own comment, ayikho relevant le comment under this comment.

[@faithMketo]

This guy is crazy and bias maybe he's getting a cut from that money. Surely, this conversation is tirering😮😮 this guy is confused 😕

[@mirriamduma4959]

2:09 TRUE

[@davidmpenyana6645]

I got it in my mind that this NGO guy is one of the kingpin, why is he defending this criminals underground. He know more that we know, arrest him and he will speak out

[@Hobbyist_ZA]

This Gentlemen's argument is so weak and if we have people like this leading some organisations is honestly ridiculous. Is this what the Courts are also supporting?

[@noziep4270]

Mayonnaiseeeeee

[@NaniswaZamane]

Mlungu keep on giving them food and be prepared to give them alcohol next time

[@bathenebuthelezi1614]

Mlungu might be a part of the syndicate. How can he want to protect illegal miners with so much passion!!!?? Am sure he is getting something out if that

[@aphanenkosinathiTlou]

Well said by Mr Ramahlodi empowerment of blacks both economically and educational also Mr Mahomapelo blacks Africans in particular upliftment thts where the problem is (economy)

[@phelelaninyawose4913]

I can't believe they are arguing about illegal miner's request, I also don't understand why their requests are even being entertained. These things they ask for are not survival essentials

[@WamzaPoswa]

😂it’s a joke this other guy, he’s making me angry

[@wakajubana4958]

This guy is paid by the gold syndicate bosses. The police must take him for questioning

[@katenkosi1389]

Their keeping them for more gold and support them for their own benefits

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

SABC complicit in even allowing this guy on air

[@Xisomisana]

I'm curious about how they managed to locate this zama zama beneficiary who seems to be wasting airtime. Who is this person's father? It feels like South Africa is being treated like a playground.

[@WamzaPoswa]

What a waste of our time

[@faithMketo]

What about the life of Preety Khambule and her colleagues who are still underground

[@sakariatsutsa250]

The first guy is so dump, or he’s benefiting from this, so they justify crime

[@CanothinMlimo]

Christopher Rutledge is mentally disturbed, he doesn't hear himself what he's saying, 😂😂and he have the nerve to embarrass himself publicly 😂😂😂or else he benefits from this illegal miners.

[@clintdaniels4379]

Bottom line is..what is stopping the ANC from service delivery?🤔

[@clintdaniels4379]

How do they manage to come out of those mines with gold on their backs?

[@sifisodube4686]

Clement please your mike have so much ecco please

[@LBR57yt]

Clement just give the miners Maynaise ..Christopher is getting very angry here...be careful.

[@fhatuwaniglentonnetshivhul9202]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂i also agree. Clement must just give em the mayonnaise😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@clintdaniels4379]

😂

[@moletsan]

Where are Embassies of the rest of the other nationalities? South African Gov not absovled of their responsibility to create opportunities communities. However, current demands and confessions from those "rescued" to bring more weapons down to mgodi.....to fight and kill who ???? are questionable. Wondering what the agenda of some advocates is in the whole drama??? SA Police now distracted from already high criminal activities.....

[@o.c2231]

These guys are as thick as concrete bricks. How do people like this represent the masses😵Common sense and logic doesn’t seem to exist in these circles🫢

[@cebomakhaye2510]

This guest speaker is minimising the horror of the Holocaust and that is dangerous and wrong. Also, if the defence is that people can resort to illegal activities to make a living, then that would mean even a armed robber can use the same defence and should be pardoned according to this speaker

[@careljansenvanvuuren6594]

Let them just send a shopping list😂

[@0728505336]

You know something wena

[@chaukelattovulture106]

Sleeping with your Enemy is spark for disaster. ANC & DA.

[@Hobbyist_ZA]

So Mahumapelo suggests that in order to have a piece of the cake, you must have been breaking the law first; what about the people who are looking after their families honestly...since it appears like the law breakers will be first priority???

[@itumelengsaasa-pi6vb]

This npo take this country like jumping castle.anc must go find party that will put this npo on right track

[@Tizza.21]

I think he stood his ground against dis hyena

[@ishmailmokuwa563]

The sound is not make sure

[@sifisodube4686]

The guy doesn't listen his very rude ,defensive

[@FeraNgobeni]

This guy is one of the kingpin thats y he is fighting fo the zama zama haaybo

[@Siphe753]

When will you all be tough on actual criminals? Why don't we inquire about the mine's prior owners who left the mines open and bennefed the most?

[@ZuidAfrikaanseMense]

STILL representing Sekgosese_Mahembeni 🙌🏿1 ❤.

[@nonhlanhlasithole3957]

How does he go in and come out and know all the angles of their where about ,but he doesn't bring them out or lead them out,since he says they don't know the way out

[@nomalangamanzini9242]

How do we know dt ds macua is not behind wonke lomshikashika🤔 .. bayasolisa n its getting annoying now😢

[@Cybernetwo]

Mayonnaise they asking for something that is a luxury to some honest and law abiding citizens in south Africa

[@sifisodube4686]

Clement sort out your mike theres eco

[@sanelisilenazo3883]

you sound like those people who are underground requesting for Mayonnaise😂😂😂 and roll on😂😂

[@faithMketo]

Protect the human dignity, he's crazy the one who chose to go underground illegal

[@njabulodlamini1192]

The sound was horrible in this episode

[@Concerned36]

What is illegal about this mining? The mines were abandoned.

[@PhakimpiDubois-rf8bz]

there is a law regarding the ownership of raw minerals, they are also trespassing

[@faithMketo]

This topic is tirering shem😮😮

[@xolanindebele6066]

Haaybo what is Supra saying, illegal miners must be absorbed into the system as entrepreneurs 😳😳 I hope I didn’t hear correctly

[@shandukanimanyaka5654]

This is really ridiculous journalism (if one calls this journalism). Instead of trying to get us information so as we can make our own minds, he chooses to display his privilege, bias and prejudice. How low the SABC has sunk.

[@ThaboLichakane]

The geology of this underground workings are very unforgiving. There is a formation called the shaft pillars, left behind to hold the ground after mining methods has extracted ore bodies. One day this grounds will carve in and whole settlements will be displaced, stop entertaining crime because of greed.

[@johnmolapo4118]

i beleave that this man is one of the kinpin, he is a criminal he must go to jail

[@R2VVH21]

🍟 burger 🍔 nom nom nom......

[@clifekomana9409]

Stupid leaders 😂 don't give them anything

[@freshsouth2024]

Its democracy isnt?

[@wekazulu]

@Clement you met your met baba

[@KNathi1]

That last guy was speaking a whole lot of nothing.

[@pet-jn5bi]

Kana supra mahutsapelo is a gospel artist.

[@AaronDingindawoRadebe]

Too many rights in SA criminals are allowed to demand things soon it will be deliver groceries to our families. While we the law abiding citizens are starving. I bet I trespass in that guy's house and get caught I will be even a chance to negotiate .but human rights is killing the justice in our country

[@sifisodube4686]

The guy his not listening his very defensive

[@ishmaelthabo6618]

HE IS TALKING NONSENSE, INFACT ALL THE PEOPLE FROM THAT ORGANISATION THEY PROTECT NONSENSE.

[@innovruptly1769]

Condoning crime and endorsing undermining the rule of law is a nonsense and extremely dangerous. Majority of these miners are non-nationals. The Country's sole obligation is to ensure that the criminals are removed from the dangerous situation safely without endangering the lives of other persons. If there are miners underground whom are inaccessible, it follows that AID in the form of supplies cannot be transferred to them. Then he says that a cage can be lowered and all the miners will come to the surface. But, the people don't want to come out because they fear arrest. They are criminals, and therefore, forfeit their right to dignity.

[@Cybernetwo]

Give them pap and soup this guy is mad

[@LBR57yt]

Yes ..they asking for rediculous things...yes he must be hapy with bones and crumbs....what must they be given ICECREAM???

[@njabuloemmanuelmahlangu7188]

I think i sense what Supra is saying here…

[@faithMketo]

He's manipulating the whole situation this guy

[@jaxfx01]

Why can't the illigal miners come out of the hole? Why are they stuck inside the hole? Why do they need the policy to rescue them? Why can't they just come out like they used to?😂😂😂

[@tebogosengfeng4981]

Mandela did demand for sweets on Robben Island

[@emihleluwaca2996]

But how does Clemememt not know about the 9 dead bodies, I'm outside SA and I know that.

[@hoza1752]

Yeah shut up wena

[@DavidLekota-nl1pf]

This Christopher dies not know what he is talking about,

[@Chrismadede]

Chris is on point ❤

[@WamzaPoswa]

Who’s father is this 😂😂😂😂

[@vusimakoa1545]

That Christopher gent. Is he an affiliate of any political party. He seems to even know and understand apartheid rational as to the reason for illegal mining activities. Does he know how many people are underground and where everyone is placed. If so, how do they know all this information. Why are they not sharing to use it to plan together with the government and the police. Has he got the list of the people in the form of names, ages, and addresses. that are currently on all those shafts. What does he say about most of these people being illegal foreigners. This is from the ones already out.

[@sifisodube4686]

We have useless government ramahis so useless

[@tshifhiwankhumeleni-wt4yn]

Nonsense

[@sifisodube4686]

Please stop being rude, taking things petsonal grow up.dint listen ,comment if you are weak

[@Siphe753]

Saving lives is more important than sitting in a studio asking ridiculous questions while feigning empathy for the plight of those trapped, knowing that you are only performing your job to make money and that you are doing everything in your power to please your bosses at the expense of others. Clement and your foolish show that rediculus!

[@thamsanqachauke6320]

Facts are facts ! These guys are playing mind games

[@zebinmarais4697]

Lol 😂 the kingpin of the illegal mining is stupid enough to expose himself on the even more stupid Clement’s show, who is too dumb to realise he is having an interview with the syndicate boss! 😳🤔

[@tinyikomaluleke3594]

This white Boer is terribly stupid

[@njabuloemmanuelmahlangu7188]

I think i sense what Supra is saying here…

[@WamzaPoswa]

Who’s father is this 😂😂😂😂