FaceLife Phantom 22 Is It Worth The Hype

[@nathanvose6842]

Thanks for you help deciding pal. Much better seeing a review of the pole once someone's put it through its paces

[@squeakycleandave1]

Glad to have been a help 👍

[@AW-Services]

Great video. You can already notice the colour depth and the sound has improved backdrop magic

[@squeakycleandave1]

Filmed it in the house rather than outside as the weather wasn’t very good this week. Thanks for the advice about the backdrops. That was just an old sheet but will get something easier to handle 👍

[@japowfk8998]

Can you use the standard Gardiner goose neck with this only asking as ive not long brought new gardiner brushes but snapped my slx today

[@russellemery8187]

I've had mine now for 18 months I clean it with pole cleaner every 2 weeks and have no issues at all. I too use the gardener swivel it's a game changer. I have an extra section on mine than your 22 it only adds a few grams in weight and I don't find the extra length a problem but I do like the extra thickness it provides as I find thinner sections gives me hand ache.

[@squeakycleandave1]

That’s interesting that the thinner sections gave you hand ache. That’s why I have changed over to the Ova8 to stop the pains in my hands

[@NorthernSmog]

I've got the phantom 30 carbon pole and it's fantastic always used gardiner poles but I don't think I would go back now.

[@squeakycleandave1]

NorthernSmog I was the same. I had Gardiner then went to the Phantom and would never go back but then I tried the Ova8 and in my opinion it’s a step forward again 👍

[@neilpalmer1662]

Great review Dave, do u know if the phantom clamps fit on the Gardiner poles??

[@squeakycleandave1]

Not 100% sure but I think some do and some don’t

[@LukeTheWindowCleaner]

Great video ! Nice review

[@squeakycleandave1]

Luke The Window Cleaner thanks for watching 👍

[@dansxyou]

Iv got the 25 its like a fishing rod very bendy when it's fully out garden is the next pole .

[@squeakycleandave1]

I changed from an slx to a phantom and thought they were about the same stiffness. I’m now using an Ova8 which is much better

[@AW-Services]

Another great honest video Dave. You can't beat silicone spray for preventive maintenance and ease of pole glide. Disco lighting stand rubber feet are way cheaper than window cleaning spares

[@squeakycleandave1]

AW Services great tip. Thank you Austin

[@JasonDunlop247]

Been using the Phantom 22 for a couple of days and already i absolutely love it. It feels so good in the hand, really solid little pole. The cherry on the cake, is the Facelift brush, with the nylon bristles & horse hair core. The scrubbing power is noticeably far superior than any other brush i`ve used. Its a bit heavier than what I'm used to but i think its no bad thing as the brush plants itself firmly down on the glass & gets right into all the corners. Absolutely love the whole set up. I'm sold .....

[@squeakycleandave1]

JD glad you are pleased with it JD

[@monkeymatt1989]

Great video Dave. Nice to hear a review of it after having some genuine real-life use.

[@squeakycleandave1]

Mattroid89 thanks Matt 👍

[@westwoodcleaningservices3741]

Any good going through balcony rails? Gardiners are awful as always catching and coming undone.

[@squeakycleandave1]

Westwood Cleaning Services I haven’t had any problems with it coming undone but Juliet balcony’s aren’t easy with any pole 👍

[@nathanhodges6743]

Nice comprehensive review Dave , I've had my 22hybrid for the same time and for am everyday pole it's a workhorse and the clamps as you say are great and I think your right about it being close to a Gardiner's pole two great companies

[@squeakycleandave1]

The Phantom and the SLX are both very close to each other. The only thing I would say about Gardiner is that they aren’t taking phone calls any more which could cost them 😤

[@nathanhodges6743]

@@squeakycleandave1 really that's wierd they used to have good customer service that's a wierd business option to take

[@squeakycleandave1]

Nathan Hodges I know. I will quite often phone a supplier while I’m still working on the glass if a have a question but with Gardiner you have to email them and then wait for them to get back to you 😤

[@peterjones6245]

Thanks for the advice. Peter

[@ashleybrown6336]

My 22 sticks slot and it's only a few months old .constantly cleaning in 😫

[@squeakycleandave1]

Do you wipe the hose when you reel it in or ever put any pole spray on. Mine gets wiped every time I reel it in and the only time I ever have any problems is when im using it on a block paved drive that has just been resanded👍

[@ashleybrown6336]

No perhaps I should .what's this pole spray you are on about thanks ash

[@squeakycleandave1]

ashley brown its a dry PTFE spray. You can get it from jigsaw innovations jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/?s=Pole+spray Or I think Gardiner do it and you can also get it from Screwfix but I don’t think that one is as good

[@squeakycleandave1]

ashley brown have you seen my 5 Steps to pole maintenance video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIDLm3-PjNp9otU

[@ashleybrown6336]

Thanks alot for your heip👍

[@laurenceoflaherty4787]

Great informative video Dave.

[@squeakycleandave1]

Laurence Oflaherty thanks very much. Much appreciated 👍

[@MrJdp1968]

Excellent review Dave, I’ve got the 3K 25 ft and I think it’s fantastic value for money, the clamps are the best out there imo.

[@squeakycleandave1]

julian pierce the clamps a definitely a game changer 👍

[@richardramsey6414]

Hi Julian, ls it really a good pole for window cleaning and also cleaning through the Juliet baloney? Richard Ramsey

[@MrJdp1968]

@@richardramsey6414 it’s an excellent pole but I prefer the Ova8 Rich

[@rickkozarits8930]

What dya think of the ionic vertigo poles ? Could be wrong but they look a bit fragile to me

[@squeakycleandave1]

Rick Kozarits Sorry I haven’t seen them. I had an Ionic 30’ fibre glass when I started and actually made the lad working with me cry 😢

[@rickkozarits8930]

Squeaky Clean Dave everything is bespoke from the fittings to the brushes etc and can’t be used with any other pole .probably not cheap either

[@MrKnightlore]

Really handy vid, as an avid user of Slx poles (but with loads of clamp problems) I've been on the fence about the Phantoms - think my next 2 poles will be Phantoms.

[@squeakycleandave1]

Thanks for your comment. I always used slx poles but they the clamps do wear the poles 👍

[@simonhayward2842]

Hello Dave,is this the standard carbon pole,or the Hi Mod carbon???,many thanks in advance,Simon.

[@squeakycleandave1]

It was the standard. Not sure if they changed the design a bit after this.

[@simonhayward2842]

Thank you Dave

[@jackmorris9529]

Great video mate thanks for the info

[@squeakycleandave1]

Jack Morris thanks for watching Jack

[@richardbranson8658]

Can I use traditional tools with these poles?

[@squeakycleandave1]

richard branson you could if you got the cone and took the gooseneck off windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/products/facelift%c2%ae-phantom-traditional-locking-cone

[@richardbranson8658]

Thanks

[@moonhead911]

hi David. have they changed the carbon pattern. iv just bought the carbon 22 and it looks different to yours

[@squeakycleandave1]

Chris sheffield sorry I don’t know. Might be worth phoning them to find our🤔

[@paulmccormack4972]

Hi Dave great video once again 😉 am just starting the water fed system I’ve got a Gardner clx 27 do u think the plant W better than thats a feel as if mine up full reach is still bit weight in it 👍🏻

[@paulmccormack4972]

Phantom 22 is better that’s Ment to say 😂

[@squeakycleandave1]

Hi Paul. The clx is a composite pole but the Phantom in the video is full carbon like the slx. The slx is very similar to the Phantom but the Phantom has better clamps. Both the slx and the Phantom will be stiffer and lighter then the clx

[@paulmccormack4972]

@@squeakycleandave1 thanks Dave 👍🏻

[@carlgabriel5777]

Hi dave , I bought my phantom 22 Pole hybrid November 2018 and have not used it yet I bought it on standby ready to replace my Phoenix 22 Pole I've been toying with the idea of using either the slick 2 to connect or the tubeless set up now I noticed window Cleaning Warehouse say that you cannot use this system with the phantom poles is this because it's the updated Pole would it work on mine and or would I have to buy the end cap from xceed only by the way your videos are absolutely brilliant I really enjoy them and they are very informative.

[@squeakycleandave1]

Carl Gabriel My choice would be to have the tubeless kit rather then the slick if I were you. I think it’s the Phoenix pole that it doesn’t fit not the Phantom. If your pole is the Phantom with the new style clamps with the inserts in the flite kit should fit but if you are unsure I would give them or Exceed a ring to make sure. Thanks for watching the videos 👍 Hope this helps

[@carlgabriel5777]

Hi Dave thank you you for your your reply I was obviously looking at the wrong product on window Cleaning Warehouse it's the facelift flight hose connector I was looking at I'm definitely going to get one and obviously look at your video on how to connect one up like you did on your phantom Pole which connections are the best series 21 or series 26 what is the difference many thanks

[@squeakycleandave1]

Carl Gabriel the difference between the rectus 21 and the 26 is the size. The 26 is a much bigger fitting. I use the rectus 21 on my pole hose and the 26 where the water goes into the reel. To use a tubeless kit you need a rectus 21. Hope this helps 👍

[@Felts_cro]

They don't make them in 3k carbon no more only normal carbon as I got mine about 3 4 weeks ago and was confused to why it wasn't 3k

[@squeakycleandave1]

Daniel they did have a problem with the poles jamming with one of the carbons they used. Maybe it was the 3k?

[@Felts_cro]

@@squeakycleandave1 yes I think it was mate when I spoke to Tom as was confused about mine that's what he said they had some teething problems so they've changed to normal carbon👍👌

[@ashleydavies6566]

Crackin’ review mate very useful, wasn’t sure I could use this pole with my Gardiner brushes so that’s a big relief 👍🏻👍🏻

[@squeakycleandave1]

Glad you found it useful 👍

[@thisisithahaha]

Top notch review!

[@squeakycleandave1]

Thanks Joshua 👍

[@neiltravis5011]

Hi Dave , phantom or ionic pole which one would you go for

[@squeakycleandave1]

Ova8 then Phantom

[@neiltravis5011]

What about the Ionic hydra are they any good

[@squeakycleandave1]

@@neiltravis5011 I would probably put them behind the slx but they all have there place

[@tkr.services]

Hows the pole doing now? I'm after a new slx or phantom

[@squeakycleandave1]

The pole part on both is pretty much the same but in my opinion the clamps on the Phantom are much better. Iv been using the Phantom for over 18 months now and still no sign of wear on the pole. They are so good a friend of mine has just cut the clamps off his Gardiner Xtreme and replaced them with Phantom clamps. 👍

[@tkr.services]

@@squeakycleandave1 do you use ptfe pole lube or not? I want to use this pole with the tubeless system from exceed but can this be used with ionics fly lead connector?

[@squeakycleandave1]

@@tkr.services i use vision ptfe pole spray on my poles. The design of the Phantom has changed slightly since I bought mine so I can't physically try it but from what I hear you won't be able to use Ionics fly lead on the Phantom pole. You can get a tubeless kit for it but you have to order it directly from Exceed Innovations 01384 934 934

[@timhancock5556]

Cheers Dave, that's answered a few questions. I went tubeless a while back, that end cap looks like it might cause a few problems. Do you think the Gardiner end cap would fit?

[@squeakycleandave1]

No definitely not. The new one they sent should be ok. Just got to drill it out a bit to fit the tubeless kit 👍

[@rickkozarits8930]

I've got the slx 30,had a problem with one of the clamps coming loose from the pole had to glue it a couple of times.tempted to give the phantom a go .keep up the good vids Dave 👍

[@squeakycleandave1]

Rick Kozarits I have that problem with my SLX30. 😤

[@lukeingham6817]

Great review You need to try and review Lee Martin (blade right) boss carbon poles, amazing poles and great prices!!

[@squeakycleandave1]

I like Lees Equipment and I had a look at his poles at the show last year which look great but I can't afford to buy all the poles that are out there. 👍

[@bencavanagh5425]

Which one did you go for carbon or Himod as there are a few versions of the same pole

[@squeakycleandave1]

ben cavanagh I just went for regular carbon but I am thinking about getting a hi mod. What are you using?

[@bencavanagh5425]

@@squeakycleandave1 Hi David I'm using Gardiner extreme 25 and 35. Nice pole, just find the clamps wear fast. I'm wanting to make what I'm.using much faster.

[@squeakycleandave1]

ben cavanagh I found the thing that sped me up the most wasn’t the equipment but turning the flow up high and rinsing on the glass. I recon doing that you use many 20% more water but you would be because you are doing 30% more work 👍

[@bencavanagh5425]

@@squeakycleandave1 Ok good advise Dave, im using a hot water system from grippatank. They said best keep it around 30 flow but I've set it to around 36 -40. So your saying even higher? This would work better then with the rinse bar and saves taking brush of the glass? Thanks again

[@squeakycleandave1]

ben cavanagh they probably said about keeping it low as it gives it more time to heat as it goes through the heater so you may loose some heat but it cuts down massively on rinse time so it’s a trade off. I I was you I would try it and see if it makes any difference

[@LordNeillWyatt]

How much do the 22 cost buddy

[@squeakycleandave1]

£240 plus VAT windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/products/facelift-phantom-carbon

[@WednesburyModfather]

Hi ya Dave,spent the best part of an hour today watching your videos.I'm in the process of buying a WFP window cleaning round.Im also based in the West Midlands.My round is in Staffordshire.I have a 4x4 car,which I'm looking to use for at least 6 months.I would like to fit a tank 450 litre tank in the back.Any advice regarding my set up plans? Regards Lee!

[@squeakycleandave1]

WednesburyModfather Hi Lee. Thanks for watching the videos. If possible give me a ring tomorrow (Monday) 07956 222348

[@WednesburyModfather]

@@squeakycleandave1 Thanks for the reply, will do Dave Appreciate your time. Regards Lee!

[@squeakycleandave1]

WednesburyModfather 👍

[@49684]

Great job bringing out the pros and cons. 😊 Fatigue isn’t your imagination, I’ve found that using lighter trad tools and certain brand of hand tool cause less fatigue. 😊 I’m sure it’s the same thing with wfp. 😊

[@squeakycleandave1]

Totally agree. I would like to go for the Hi Modulus but at over £658 for a 22 it’s a bit pricey for me

[@davemonk1662]

Is this hi mod or carbon??

[@squeakycleandave1]

Dave monk Monk Cleaning services it’s the carbon

[@moonhead911]

have you fitted your tubeless kit for it yet mate im having issues with mine the top section is not as fat as my slx. and have you fitted a univlave

[@squeakycleandave1]

Chris sheffield yes mate they are a different size. I’ve found that if you use the o clips with the ear on just one side rather than the ones with the 2 ears when fitting the uni-valve it fits up the pole easier although you can get the 2 ear ones to fit if you are carful. As for the end bung you need to order the one for the Phantom as they are smaller. You can get them from Exceed Innovations but make sure you say which pole it’s for Hope this helps Thanks for watching 👍

[@marcstevens8203]

Hi Dave yes a great video again well done 👍let’s have more competition ...@ , I have used gardiner for a long time it’s my favourite and the swivel and attachments are the best we are very happy and also with a prompt delivery’s that gardiner provide . What I will say is that I brought and used the phantom for 3 month and the clamps are amazing great pole really good must try 👌

[@squeakycleandave1]

Marc Stevens yes Marc Gardiner have got good delivery but what puts me off is that they have stopped answering the phones. I still like Gardiner kit but Phantom is a good rival. 👍

[@marcstevens8203]

Yes totally agree with you they need to have a more customer relations I’ve never been able to speak to them just email them yes they do respond ASAP but a phone call would be good 🤗 speaking to somebody is far better totally agree;100%

[@DuncanPerryOfficial]

Did you get black hands from the worn pole?

[@squeakycleandave1]

duncan perry I always where gloves so I’m not sure. I will check tomorrow 👍

[@DuncanPerryOfficial]

@@squeakycleandave1 👍🏻

[@nigelackroyd7991]

Nice video Dave, Iv had my 18ft phantom Carbon now for a few months great pole, I didn't realise that there was a problem with the section going stiff a lot and I have noticed that on mine, seems to be when they are getting wet, some mornings I cant even open it other times its fine!!! Constantly cleaning it!!!

[@squeakycleandave1]

Nigel Ackroyd thank. Give Window Cleaning Warehouse a ring and let them know. They may be able to sort it for you 👍

[@lbaz0710]

Stick to gardiner. I had these poles i never like them. Clamps are terrible they come lose when your out working and then you have to piss about with a Alan key. I have had gardiner befour always go back. When the glued clamps are on they stay on for at least 2 and half years. And buy that time your ready for a new pole anyway. And also gardiner have got things in there clamps were after time the pole wears out and the sections move but with the new gardiner clamps you just tighten and that's it. If any body can tell me better poles than the gardiner xtreme super light i would like to know. Even the clx and slx range are better than most companies good poles.

[@squeakycleandave1]

To be honest we all lipoma for different things in a pole. I had Gardiner for years then went into the Phantom. I never had any problems with the clamp coming loose and thought they were much better then the Gardiner ones. I’ve now gone on to the Ova8 hi mod which in my opinion is the best pole I’ve used But like I say we all look for something different

[@squeakycleandave1]

Varitech sell them www.streamline.systems/product/streamline-ova8-hi-mod-carbon-pole-6-section-22-foot-long-for-25-foot-reach-ecoline/

[@harryhunter9398]

Don't like it you can't fit univalve in it

[@squeakycleandave1]

You can fit a univalve now

[@JasonDunlop247]

I've been a real stickler for Gardiners Dave but im actually going to cancel my order of a new slx 22. You've answered the two main questions i had about the phantom . The tubeless kit question & the swivel neck question. I've been really irritated in recent months, with Gardiners lack of customer service & them not honouring warranties on what i think is the very weak & brittle Extreme poles ! So this is the time to break away & try the new boys on the block 👍

[@squeakycleandave1]

JD a mate of mine always used Gardiner Xtreme poles until he tried my Ova8 hi mod. He went home and ordered the Ova8 and uses that all the time now. The only downside with the Ova8 is you can’t fit a tubeless kit but the benefits far outweigh that for me. I think they have changed the design of the Phantom since I had mine so not sure how the tubeless works so it may be worth asking before you order. If you go with the Ova8 call Varitech a call. Ask for Ziggy and mention my name and you might get a deal. It’s with a try. [phone]

[@JasonDunlop247]

@@squeakycleandave1 Many Thanks Davie . Love the sound of that ✌

[@JasonDunlop247]

@@squeakycleandave1 I ordered the phantom 22 Dave. I was going to try the ova 8 . However I was put off by the lack of detail on varitech website. I like detail on anything I purchase. I'm certain the phantom will be a big upgrade on the Gardiners slx 22 though. 👍

[@squeakycleandave1]

JD the Phantom is a fantastic pole mate. I’m sure you will be really pleased with it 👍

[@JasonDunlop247]

@@squeakycleandave1 Cheers Dave 🍻