Facts About EVERY Pokemon Protagonist!

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

Happy Friday!! Which protagonist is your favorite?

[@its_skorpyon6483]

😍😍😍😍😘😘😘💜💜💜

[@Boltofbrilliance122]

Hilda

[@ImyIsStillHere]

Calem because he's awesome

[@ZenithintheMaking]

Hilbert

[@redhool9345]

Red. Also no Legends Arceus is taking place about 600 years in the past as Cynthia confirmed in the movie made for Legends Arceus also the only way to play as the sinnoh protagonists in Legends Arceus is if they were hit with roar of time and spacial rend at the same time.

[@wispyfox6854]

im not gonna lie, the fact they adressed the Sun and Moon protagonists' blank expressions is one of the funniest things to me

[@TheUnovanZorua]

In Pokémon Masters EX, there's also a scene where Selene tries some I think Curry, and describes it, pointing out what was missing. It's a reference to what happens when you eat at a restaurant in the Alola games. It was really funny too. (Sorry if my English isn't the best, I have a hard time describing things like this)

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

I love things like those, it's on the same level of creativity as when in Ben 10 Omniverse, the reason for the artstyle changes was blamed on Celestialsapiens, I found both these things hilarious when I first found out about them

[@agentdon1760]

Ngl that made me chuckle

[@sweetmoonpigeon7469]

ive decided they are autistic and i love them more now

[@expo_pkmn]

​@@TheUnovanZorua your English is great! Very understandable as well

[@Thomas_Everman]

In Masters EX, a swimmer tells Ellio and Selene "If I keep on paddling, I might just make it to Alola for some battling". Selene sits there for a solid 10 seconds with that blank stare before finally saying "Hey, that rhymes!"

[@teinkie5091]

The gears were actively grinding in real time in her head lol

[@CraftingGummi]

I love the absolutely No Thoughts Head Empty vibes of those two

[@kulekid6917]

same

[@lightyoshiman]

​@@CraftingGummi what's funny is that while she's described as a bit of an airhead in the games her manga counterpart is a highly intelligent person who tends to overthink a lot

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@lightyoshimanI haven't read that but the way you wrote it makes it sound like one of those "Taking the character's inner monologue out of X scene" videos where the character has 10,000 thoughts but in reality is just staring awkwardly.

[@keeganmoore99]

I remember a friend of mine back in High School trying to explain that Elio and Selene act the way they do because they're new to the region, don't fully understand the language and customs, and are just winging it the best they can. The fact that Masters Ex has them zone out before finally speaking up that they don't know how to respond plays into that so well. I wish I could contact them about it.

[@dravendarkplays9607]

They just nero divergent

[@dansmith1661]

@@dravendarkplays9607 Not brokebrain.

[@mouthlesshater]

@@dansmith1661Yes neurodivergent

[@blanche_azur8648]

They don't exactly zone out I would say, Selene is just kinda... slow.. while Elio seems to overthink a bit trying to determine the best response he can give, taking the Elesa joke bit while Elio was trying to come with a joke of his own to answer Elesa's Selene was still processing Elesa's joke.

[@smoldoritochild4136]

Another fun fact about Calem is that his face has never been shown in any animated media. he basically gets Mike wazowski'd

[@japanpanda2179]

Calem is definitely the most forgotten protagonist. I will never forget him though since XY is the first game I played.

[@TheElementsAreWithMe]

I guess we'll settle for smash references, such as Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer skins.

[@dropfish3109]

@@japanpanda2179same

[@raccoonchild]

A shame because he's one of the best designed male protagonists

[@dropfish3109]

@@JaelinBezel are you saying that you're dumb? i think you are.

[@metleon]

New headcannon: Red is fluent in Spanish but only knows Yes and No in every other language.

[@F14thunderhawk]

which is impressive for a Toyko metropolitan area native. you would think he knows japanese.

[@ryderLiihe]

@@F14thunderhawk *Tokyo

[@alexanderartaza2173]

Ahh si, por supuesto

[@NagKai_G]

I gotta love how the adventures manga adapts and shapes their characters to better fit the story. Though i will say the gen 3 remakes was clearly a very rough time for them as they suddenly had to make up an excuse to bring Archie and Maxie back from the dead

[@MysticDojo]

yea, I'm really glad cause I feel especially in the newer games theres a lot of loose ends or storylines not fully explained (likely do to cuts and deadlines) and adventures really helps to fill in the gaps

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

Honestly, Pokemon is just way better when you take creative liberties with the plotlines. Headcanons work so well with adding essence to characters.

[@LegoCat88]

I love what they do with the characters, except that they name them whatever the name of the games are. Who tf calls their child X or Y

[@NagKai_G]

@@TheAwesomeDarkNinja what you just said is also part of why some fans like Pokémon masters so much, as it expands on both main and side characters

[@NagKai_G]

@@LegoCat88 I think in the manga that's just what their nicknames were. i know Y's name is Yvonne in the manga, but I don't remember what X's actual name was.

[@thejellyblish1]

I don't think any protagonist will ever be as awesome to me as Brendan/May. Settling a gang war, riding on the back of a rampaging Groudon/ Kyogre, becoming pop stars, riding mega Rayquaza into space to blast through a meteor and then battle a space virus, these are the two coolest people ever.

[@dayvonlouis5187]

True I consider them the coolest but Dawn and Lucas do come close same as Rei and Akari in either case they fought personifications of time and space and the latter fought literal god

[@KINGDREX24]

Gold is best

[@zang3033]

sure sure, but red stood on a mountain for like years, without food, drinks, warmth or anything required for survival, now thats a feat

[@theschnozzler]

​@@zang3033 wdym he must have eaten something

[@sekaihunter9378]

​@Haku He got warmth from Charizard's fire, got his food from Venusaur, and got his water from Blastoise. He built his ice hut with Lapras. He also got electricity from his Pikachu. I would say the man was literally a self-sustained demon with just those mons alone. And Snorlax was...uhm...a cushion for some good sleep.

[@V9-Volt]

For me gotta love Hilbert/Black, the 1st canonically protagonist to have a legendary Pokémon mascot as part of their team and main story, and I love how Black in the Manga acts and is with Pokémon and interactions with N

[@Niall_Sene]

Black in adventures is the hype, my favourite adventures protagonist for sure.

[@joegreen3802]

I wouldn't say he's my favourite protagonist, but I definitely relate to him the most. Mainly his focus problem. Oh how I wish I had a Munna to help me think clearly. XD

[@ghetoknight7801]

​@@joegreen3802yeah Kinda don't like how they dropped the consistency of his ability in b2w2 adventures, munna just become a deus ex machina instead of him needing to actually "solve a puzzle" first But sadly no protag beats gen 3's Ruby and sapphire is truly peakology Emerald was fun too ig

[@joegreen3802]

@@ghetoknight7801 Yeah. B2W2 started kind of rushing things like the following arcs did. (Though to me, ORAS was the worst with that.). I kind of wonder if that's connected to Kusaka's current health problems. Hope he gets better. Ruby and Sapphire was great, though I think I prefer the Gen 4 protags myself as I really just liked the group dynamic between the three, but that's just me. For a single character, I'd probably go for Gold. As for Emerald, he's fine to me, but I didn't really like him that much if I'm being honest. Sorry about that.

[@visceralities]

Hilbert and N’s relationship with each other in Masters is also super sweet

[@jamiewalsh3349]

I do like the Elio and Selene "zoning out like a dumbass" reference made into Pokemon Masters EX. So funny

[@tinyspiney6353]

Fun fact: In the most recent event in Pokemon Masters EX, Adaman and Irida actually meet Dawn and Lucas, and it's confirmed (as much as it can be in a mobile game) that they aren't Akari and Rei. They have a conversation about it due to the space-time distortion that brought the two there in the first place

[@wikiuser92]

Yup. Plus, they mistake the Sinnoh protagonists for the Hisui protagonists, and the former ones have no idea who they're referring to.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

This is going to be running gag throughout Pokemon Masters EX now. All Hisui characters are going to mistake some characters with others

[@sssspider]

Masters takes significant liberties with game canon to sidestep weird implications, it’s entirely possible they’re going with the idea that Akari and Rei are both the completely normal ancestors of Dawn and Lucas with no time travel involved.

[@Castersvarog]

I mean, it’s time travel, for all we know they could have been thrown back in time after Pokémon masters take place.

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

it could be a paradox but who knows, time travel is confusing

[@SuperUmizoomi]

its funny that Red specifically is known as 'the one that doesnt talk' when basically every other player character is the same not just in pokemon but tons of other games

[@meteor9573]

Except for Nate/Rosa. They talk quite a lot in Pokéstar Studios.

[@sheogorath6834]

That's because Red is the only one who come back as a npc. (Except Green in Let's go)

[@kannan07]

That's because red quite litterally doesn't talk While others not talking is just their dialogues not being shown to us

[@SuperUmizoomi]

@@kannan07 i mean i think it was first intended like the others but red became popular as the 'badass stoic silent guy' so it was kept

[@kannan07]

@@SuperUmizoomi I don't think that's the case cuz he has been silent since gen 2 But it's possible too,but it's certainly not masters' doing as he's silent in every game he appears in

[@pokshimin]

Fun fact! The gen 6 protagonists are canonically 16/17 because Emma, who is 16, says you're older than her. But presumably you're still a child so most people just say 17

[@senny-]

I wish this'd happen more often. I wanna play as an adult in a Pokemon game.

[@Natibe_]

This makes it even *worse* that you’re forced to go on a date with canonically 8 shauna.

[@c0mpu73rguy]

To me, every pokemon protagonist is 10 until proven otherwise.

[@galghoul3042]

17 is hardly a child tho. Minor sure, but not a child. Either way, I hope they'd give us more older MC's.

[@lambtoken2708]

​@@Natibe_ it wasn't really a date

[@victikirby15]

I love the Pokémon Adventures interpretations of the different protagonists. They’re some of my favorite characters in Pokémon overall.

[@ImyIsStillHere]

Ah yeah I love adventures

[@Dz73zxxx]

They're dynamic and each has their own characteristics and personal path of development

[@ImyIsStillHere]

@@Dz73zxxx but Y still needs break her strangling Habbit,

[@Dz73zxxx]

​@@ImyIsStillHere as well as Crystal on headkicking Gold...

[@ImyIsStillHere]

@@Dz73zxxx X's trust issues. Except that one 15 year old kid, he randomly just trusts him despite everyone saying that he was sus

[@rocksterphang7985]

Another fun fact for both Elio and Selene in Pokemon Masters is that both are heavily implied to be siblings. They both moved from Kanto to Alola, and have a pet Meowth. They also like to appear together too, unlke other protagonist characters. Sinnoh kid trio in Pokemon Masters are kinda weird. Dawn having Torterra and Wormadam, Lucas having Infernape and Flareon correspond to the player character's chosen starter. So if Dawn the player in BDSP chose Infernape, Lucas the assistant will have Flareon even tho he would have Torterra. If Lucas the player chose Torterra as the starter, Dawn the assistant will have Wormadam in BDSP even tho should would have Empoleon there. As a side note, Barry's Empoleon, a water/steel type is weak against grass type moves due to he started with a Piplup, which is actually weak against grass type moves.

[@Failed_Vestige_of_Exandria]

Grass-types deal normal damage to a Water/Steel-type like Empoleon, due to Steel resisting Grass while Water being weak to Grass.

[@jointser1008]

also i love how selene is literally T-posing in this Video

[@MegaPokemon23]

Wow, i could totally see that, out of all the pair of protagonists, Elio and Selene are the ones who are more likely to be siblings, even twins, imo. They have the most similar hair, and personality.

[@HongMiyo]

​@Failed_Vestige_of_Exandria Torterra does still get ground vs Empoleon though.

[@mayborneflower]

There actually is a thing to settle the weirdness with the Starters for Masters. Dawn and Lucas hail from BDSP and changed out Starters in the postgame because the Grand Underground starts spawning wild Starters. Something similar happens during the game’s trailers where they both generally use one consistently from one to the next but then they suddenly switch when they’re hunting Legendaries for the final one.

[@thethundernado6670]

6:15 there’s actually a reason why May never reunited with Ash in Pokémon Journeys. May’s Japanese voice actor has a disease that makes it hard for her to talk properly. The creators of the Pokémon anime thought it would be disrespectful if they just went and replaced her so they decided to leave May and Max on the side lines. Unfortunate yes, but it was their way of respecting May’s voice actor.

[@braziliantsar]

He said it in the video...

[@thethundernado6670]

@@braziliantsar Weird, it skipped that part for me…

[@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS]

@@braziliantsar He only said that she retired, so unless I zoned out when he mentioned a disease...

[@ButtonsTheElf]

​@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOSI heard in the video that she retired due to illness. So you're both right! Lol

[@RAGE_Gamer_24]

W creators 🗿

[@Glace_cakes]

It’s so fascinating to me that the overwhelming majority of canon protagonists are the girls. Dawn, Serena, Gloria, Akari(?). While Ethan and Hilbert are heavily implied to be the protagonists (and in the manga they are, as is Brendan) it’s not outright obvious as it is for the ladies… and red.

[@HY0]

If we're talking about Pokemon Masters canon, then Ethan, Brendan, and Hilbert are actually confirmed

[@rocksterphang7985]

​@@HY0 Elio is implied to be the main one, tho it can be hard to tell as both Elio ans Selene are implied to be siblings there. Idk where did anyone find Akari as the canon protagonist fact from. If anything, I think Rei is main one as in the TCG Akari is shown to be sleeping with her Pikachu, but it is TCG, so eh. Tho some reason most in the fandom seems to have a fascination on every single girl outside of gen 1 and gen 2 is the "canon" protagonist, aside from gen 3 which is somewhat 50/50.

[@HY0]

@@rocksterphang7985 Ah I see! The gen 7 one always tripped me up because of the whole co-existing element, although the idea of them being siblings is actually really fun haha

[@KazShiro]

@@rocksterphang7985 Popularity can lead to a lost of assumptions

[@lugiamastero13]

​@Rockster Phang well with Gen 3 the parents of the protag don't change with your gender canonically Brendan's father is Norman which only happens if you are male as choosing May gives you Norman as the father and the rivals father is always the Professor the only thing making this weird is that in the anime May's and Max's father actually is Norman

[@Miguel92398]

I like how Masters brought some canon implications to most of the player protags. Red - obviously Ethan - rivals with Silver Lyra - fought Red once Kris - encountered Suicune Brendan - his father is Norman Dawn - Lucas is Rowan's assistant Hilbert - met N and was the one defeated Ghetsis Rosa - friends with Hugh Serena - Calem states that she was very silent when they first met, a trait to all silent protags Elio - Island Challenge and knows Masked Royal's identity Gloria - beats Eternatus with Hop and the legendary dogs And I'll list other protags that aren't actually canon protag in Masters. May - Birch is her father Lucas - lab assistant Hilda - Battle Subway trainer and have never met N Nate - Battle Subway trainer Calem - Grand Duke Selene - did not know the identity of the Masked Royal Victor - Gloria is the main protag who saved the region

[@sarthakarora3212]

selene and elio are twins. They are both protags in masters cannon, in the manga they are a couple who are both protags.

[@japanpanda2179]

Calem appears in one event that includes all the rivals, more confirmation that Serena is canon protagonist

[@magicwandstudio3141]

@@sarthakarora3212 actually its Elio that are canon character according to trailer. Selene just there because they dont know what to do with her story considering she never appear if you choose Elio. She still have the mc background stories cause they dont want them to be out of character

[@lordatsukiyoru]

Could have sworn Norman was May’s father and Birch was Brendan’s

[@electricdragon9366]

This also implies that canonically, the protagonists of the games are: Red, Lyra, Brendan, Dawn, Hilbert, Serena, Elio & Gloria. the Johto protags are a little weird as: Ethan & Silver are frenemies - implies that Ethan never got to the Indigo Plateau for some reason, but knows Lance. Clair blew him off by claiming he cheated and not giving him the badge? Lyra fought Red on Mt. Moon - implies that she handed Champion!Lance his ass on a platter during the battle after the E4. Suicune chose Kris as his partner - this implies that it happened sometime after the battle with Pryce, but before Clair's gym. Corrections are welcome

[@Niall_Sene]

Hilbert in Pokemon Adventures, aka Black in Adventures, has to be my favourite interpretation of the character and my favourite Adventures protagonist, I love how he's obsessed with beating the Pokemon league and his sacrifices at the end of the Black and White part was so sad, but absolutely epic.

[@nellewoodruff6337]

I also thought the quirk where musharna eating his dreams made him pokésherlock holmes

[@Niall_Sene]

@@nellewoodruff6337 yes, I love that too, the fact he is so obsessed with his dream that to properly think he needs his Pokemon to eat it, that's a genius concept.

[@corruptedteka]

​@@Niall_Sene Thinking about it like that, it's kinda like musharna is his neurodivrrgency medication xD

[@emperortoho]

@@corruptedteka the normal pills

[@fork-man]

​​@@nellewoodruff6337 this made me wonder who would come out on top red ruby black or X as each are depicted as being battle geniuses black is the only one with a restriction which he unintentionally place on himself but even with it on he is still pretty decent fighter

[@jalencurtis7222]

Gotta love how Elio and Selene are canonically space cadets. 😂

[@thatcorruptdino]

I loved Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, so I think that the characters being blank smiled dimwits is hilarious. Makes you think: "these kids beat Necrozma??"

[@issacthompson330]

I like imaging Dawn retiring from being the Pokémon Champion after it becomes too stressful for her and becoming a NEET before Arkeas finds two problems and decides to solve both by throwing them both at eachother.

[@harrimat100]

I would like to point out a minor discrepancy, the names for Blue and Green are actually reversed. The girl is named Blue until the FRLG and Emerald. There is a very prominent translator note explaining this on the chapter Vs. Deoxys of Pokémon Special/Adventures

[@oakgreenoak]

It's not a discrepancy in the video as much as a discrepancy in translation. As you know, Red and Green were released as a pair in Japan but Red and Blue were released as a pair internationally. As such, the rival known as Green in Japanese is canonically named Blue in English, because it wouldn't make sense to call him Green in a market that never saw a release of Pokémon Green. Since he occupies the name Blue in English, the female trainer is canonically named Green. This is true in the manga as well; the official releases use the same localised names for Red, Blue, and Green as their game counterparts. If you're reading a copy of the manga that refers to the rival as Green and the girl as Blue, it's an unofficial scanlation that directly translates the Japanese names.

[@harrimat100]

@@oakgreenoak Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I still refer to them as Green (Gary) and Blue (Leaf), even after the translation notes stating otherwise, mostly because it's technically correct as well.

[@saitohajime9939]

@@harrimat100 same. I personally cringe when I hear people call the Female protagonist “Green”. Blue just sounds more elegant anyways for her. Plus, as someone who consumes more of the JP side of the fandom, I cannot ever switch Green and Blue’s names. Beside, Red and Green are meant to be opposites (like the colors suggest) and Blue is the nice balancing color between those two. And, all characters up to DPP eyes are supposed to match their names, Red has red eyes, Yellow and Gold have yellow eyes, Silver has grey eyes, and Green and Blue have their color eyes so I don’t understand why the official English for the Manga didn’t keep their JP names… sorry for my rant, it’s always been a pet peeve of mine when it comes to these two

[@ghetoknight7801]

​@@saitohajime9939honestly I dislike blue as leaf in adventures, but green as Gary just fits so well so I didn't mind

[@josephdavis9234]

​@@saitohajime9939Personally, I find it weird to call her Blue, since her starter in Adventures is a Blastoise, and this would make her the only member of the original Kanto trio whose name matched their starter.

[@CraftingGummi]

From what I remember of reading the Sun and Moon manga (which was absolutely insane by the way) Moon was an pharmacist and also had a cool bow and arrow that she used to catch Pokémon. Meanwhile Sun… he wanted money. Yeah that’s his main thing. He had a good reason though.

[@joegreen3802]

I believe it was also hinted that Moon is related to Platna

[@ghetoknight7801]

I remember sun doing errands but not moon's job

[@joegreen3802]

@@ghetoknight7801 I'd have to go reread it myself to confirm, but I think it had something to do with studying medicine with poison type Pokemon.

[@kannan07]

​@@joegreen3802ye it's implied that moon is platina's younger sister who did something and got platina's empoleon's kid hurt

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

Here's a quick summary of the protagonist counterparts Red - Red: typical shounen protagonist Leaf/Green - Green (Blue in JP): con artist and self proclaimed rustle queen Ethan - Gold: daycare worker who loves gambling and is weak to pretty girls Kris - Crystal: wants to complete the pokedex and has a unique style of capturing by kicking pokeballs Brandon - Ruby: coordinator who's vain to a fault and thinks battles are barbaric May - Saphire: has advanced wild survival skills and borderline superhuman athleticism from helping her father with field research Lucas - Diamond: kind-hearted comedian who loves eating Dawn - Platinum: sheltered but curious rich girl Hilbert - Black: absolute battle maniac Hilda - White: founder and CEO of a Star agency for Pokemon musicals Calem - X: battle prodigy who became a shut-in after breaking down from the stress of being famous Serena - Y: rebellious child who wants to become a Sky Battler rather than following her mother's footsteps as a Ryhorn Jockey Elio - Sun: always on the sigma grind mindset trying to earn enough money to buy back his grandpa's Island Selene - Moon: Prodigy pharmaceutical researcher looking for materials to develop an antidote after one of her experiments went horribly wrong Victor - Soudo: stoic weapons smith looking for the legendary gear (rusted sword and rusted Shield) Gloria - Shildemilia: professor Magnolia's assistant and genius programmer / technician looking for her lost Pokémon

[@cassiopeiawarrener9654]

The Florian and Juliana thing is interesting because, as of the Scarlet and Violet base game, they are the first time since Pokemon Crystal that the opposite-gendered protagonist has never featured as an NPC. In most games since Hoenn, the other gendered protagonist is either one of your rivals, or an NPC in the local battle facility. Elio and Selene are the only protags to get a complete fashion redesign within their own generation, likely to showcase the character customisation mechanics in SM/USUM. While Dawn and Lucas got new outfits in Platinum, they just got winterwear with no change in hats or hairstyle.

[@CraftingGummi]

The manga actually addressed the mid-Gen change for Elio and Selene, in a rather unique way. They were trapped in ultra space for months. Literal months.

[@lamarfll]

They stopped having the opposite gendered protagonist show up as an NPC since SM.

[@Shinyarc]

@@lamarfllthat’s what I was gonna say. The only game since SM that has that was Legends

[@EnzoDraws]

In Spanish, Red also speaks when he switches out a Pokemon (which, yes, CAN happen). Similarly to the Full Restore situation, the game dialogue box says [Trainer Red: CHARIZARD, come back!]

[@lpfan4491]

That's actually really cool.

[@catriamflockentanz]

I am surprised that you didn't bring up Sapphire at all. She is wild. (Yes Pun intended) And I am still surprised that they didn't use the opportunity to have May's equivalent be named "Ruby". It was the one time it wouldn't have been weird.

[@emblemblade9245]

Literally a jungle girl, amazing

[@ghetoknight7801]

May's equivalent IS named ruby tho? In adventures ofc because adventures is peak pkmn

[@catriamflockentanz]

@@ghetoknight7801 Nope Ruby is Brendan's Equivalent. Sapphire is May's Adventures Equivalent. Maybe they arbitrarily changed it it some regional translations?

[@ShadowSkyX]

​@@emblemblade9245zinnia was kinda crazy though.

[@cronical246]

Bonus: Hilda and Nate are both pretty much confirmed to be the counterpart that joins you for Multi Battles in the Subway in the Masters EX universe. Irida and Adaman both call Lucas and Dawn Rei and Akari, meaning that the protag of Arceus goes by that name as well. Given their implied spotty memory, it is unknown if whoever was dragged to the past mixed up their Japanese name with a slightly different variant

[@M01t3n.]

I like the idea that Red can only speak in Spanish but can still understand English, like Lopez from red vs blue.

[@FirstnameLastname81206]

To add to Brendan's various names, he's also named Orlando in the ORAS demo. Unlike the other names in this video, there doesn’t seem to be any special reason for this. I was honestly surprised they didn't call him Ruby, like how the Sun and Moon demo called the protagonist Sun, and lining up with their manga names.

[@Hazedragon97]

I don't play Pokémon Masters, but I always stay tuned for the story events that release. I think DeNA did a great job at breathing life into characters that didn't utter a single word in their games. It just warms my heart to see characters like Hilbert being laid back and morally upright and Hilda being hot-headed and competitive, it works for them and even though it doesn't jive well with everyone, it's great to see a different and in some cases canonical take on characters we play as in the games.

[@Engardian]

I like Pokémon masters, but they make almost every female protag’s personality ‘bubbly and upbeat’. It’d be nice to see more variety.

[@M_Alexander]

I am absolutely confident that the player character in Legends Arceus _is_ Dawn or Lucas, specifically the one from BDSP. Supporting this are the parallel character select screens, the unused modern room in PLA that matches the player's bedroom in BDSP, and the simple fact that Arceus would likely choose an experienced trainer to save the world of the past. Three or five years after becoming Sinnoh Champion, Dawn or Lucas are sent to Hisui.

[@beagay963]

For legends arceus we can actually tell what region our character is from by the pjs they wear in the opening. And interestingly enough they’re from different region

[@wyattthomure2213]

Which region are they from?

[@Engardian]

I assumed Akari was from Alola based on her outfit. She also looked similar to my UM protag the way I customized them both, with tan skin and dark brown hair and eyes.

[@slayingupallnightforyou1874]

⁠@@wyattthomure2213kalos theyre wearing a shirt that the calum can wear

[@normlaurant5881]

"Until Akari and Rei came along, Hilda and Hilbert were the oldest confirmed Pokémon protagonists at 14 years old" ACTUALLY In X and Y, Shauna states that she is 16 years old, and she also states she is YOUNGER than the player character, which makes Calem and Serena _at least_ 17. Just a fun piece of Pokémon lore :3

[@ghetoknight7801]

? At least 17? If we're digging that deep who's to say the age difference isn't by a few months, or days? Also I don't recall Xavier being 17

[@user-bb1nu3to3q]

It is very likely fake unless there is a source. Their ages have never been released. In the anime Serena is ten, and in Pokespe XY they are twelve. If they had explicitly set their age, Pokespe would follow it.

[@scottbecker4367]

Not to mention that if we're including Rei and Akari, they were confirmed to be 15 in game.

[@thedancingguy828]

@@ghetoknight7801 People dont say that they are youger/older unless there is at least there's the one year old difference. You can argue that Calem/Serena are is just a few days older than Shauna, but maybe the game takes place just after their birthday and just before her bithday. In conclusion is most likely that they are indeed 17.

[@Vandalieu]

This literally does not exist, there is absolutely no dialogue of Shauna stating her age or that she's younger than the player character, in fact the only character in XY with a confirmed age is Emma at 16.

[@zikadraws79]

It's kind of funny to me in a messed up kind of way that Dawn, the canonically confirmed, most itsy bitsy, literally 10 y/o little girl is the one that got drama with arguably the most deities (including but not limited to God itself and its immediate children) Like damn Satan there's a baby lost in your private circle of hell

[@zikadraws79]

Also which game is 7:39 from ?

[@Morgan_Rider]

@@zikadraws79 Pokemon: Platinum, the best of the Sinnoh games

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

Funnier yet is how they aged Serena down for the manga but couldn't really change her design. So you have this 12 year old girl who's 162 cm tall and is at least a B cup

[@Skybound-wd4pm]

For akari and rei, they are the only pokemon protagonists who (assuming legends arceus doesn't have a direct follow up) are statistically far more likely to be dead than alive in the modern games

[@sevenmastergamer9261]

I personally believe Rei is the protagonist of pokemon legendz arceus, if it does end up being Dawn and Lucas, if it was the player character then Lucas would make the most sense, if hes canonically the professor's assistant in diamond and pearl then It makes perfect sense that he would be tasked with cataloging all the pokemon in Hisui, he was a pokemon professor's assistant so he would have experience with that

[@kannan07]

​@@sevenmastergamer9261 Rei being the protag was confirmed in masters so there ya go

[@NineHundredDollarydoos]

Here's a neat coincidence: in my playthrough of Sword, I also set Gloria's gym challenge number to be 303. I haven't even read the manga, my favourite Pokemon just happens to be Mawile.

[@MelvinDragonVT]

One thing that should be noted about voice acting in Japan, when a VA retires or passes away, as a show of respect, their characters are also usually retired. They may show up a bit here or there, but will almost never have any lines of dialogue

[@pride_mitochondria3921]

"Dawn is the youngest protagonist canonically." Oof, makes what the internet has done even worse.

[@pangoldie]

I wouldn't really use Pokémon Masters EX as confirmation for who's the canonical main character, it's been confirmed that Masters is its own separate timeline, and because other animated media like Evolutions don't have the same protagonists as Masters (Lucas and Hilda are the Protagonist in Evolutions, While in Masters, Lucas is the assistant and Hilda is the Battle Subway partner)

[@lnightshadell05]

And Pomas not only occurs in a separate timeline, but also some of the characters come from different timelines/universe. One of the most notable examples is Cyrus. Who is partnered with Palkia, just like the Cyrus from the RR Episode in USUM, and during the event where you get him as a sync pair, Cheryl says that Cynthia told her that Cyrus' plans were foiled in the Distortion World, but the Cyrus in Masters doesn't recall that happening. So yeah, using Masters as canon is a bit tricky.

[@user-kl6kv7ii5s]

@@lnightshadell05 they actually don't care about your comment unless pokemon masters shows how multiverse works or the anime creates a specific arc which could shut up for good every annoying fan who thinks anime and games shares the same universe.

[@magicwandstudio3141]

@@user-kl6kv7ii5s isnt Galar villaim already comfirmed some of the chsrscter came from different timeline, like Chairman rose?

[@user-kl6kv7ii5s]

@@magicwandstudio3141 galar villain arc? Man you need to play oras and Sun and moon games if you think pokemon masters "confirmed" multiverses exists.

[@Xkittyloverr1997]

I mean, some things stay the same across the multiverse, series a lot, sometimes a little. I'd so while you're not wrong, there are definitely things that PokeMas does that seem like they would be canon regardless. Like Ellio and Selene spacing out all the time; that feels like it tracks.

[@bradwhite5884]

Also, it is a pity that not all of these characters appeared in the anime, Serena is the last one who's from the games appear in the anime, love to see them all appear as well as the counterparts who are already in the anime to go along with such, maybe in Horizons or a spin off of the main anime like Cronicles was but in the Journey's/Horizon's artstyle as well as be Canon to such

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

Meanwhile Ash's existence in games was FINALLY acknowledged in Pokémon Masters Ex. Oh my gosh for like so long I have been waiting for Red and Ash to battle. That "I'll be waiting" was all I needed to see. Also on a side note, Ash used to get roasted real hard because he never existed in the game lmao.

[@sarthakarora3212]

@@TheHeavieKiwie they are many references to ash in the games but they are never straight to the point.

[@ShadowSkyX]

​​@@TheHeavieKiwieun and moon demo i think you could get ash greninja. The letter says -heavily implies- the greninja belongs to ash.

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

@@sarthakarora3212 Oh yeah in Gen 7 games, I think there's a very very blurred picture that's supposed to be Ash and Pikachu inside some wooden shelter or something. I barely remember. He should have directly existed in the game from the very beginning if I do say so myself. Like even Jessie and James have been officially in the games but they just get way too reluctant about Ash.

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

@@ShadowSkyX Oh yeah that form is still called Ash Greninja even in games huh? That's very interesting. The more I think about it, more absurd it keeps getting thinking how the anime writers made him lose Pokémon league purposefully.

[@TheRedRobin96]

I loved the memes when Sword and Shield was first announced to be the UK where Gloria was depicted as an ornery Scotswoman. Also Victor and Gloria; Victory and Glory, how did I never put that together.

[@mizusenshisongs]

You're not wrong about Rosa being a mascot for Masters. She was one of my first team members, along with Misty, Brock, and Blue. I don't know if that was intentional or just luck of the draw. Since then I've mostly gotten Gym Leaders and other random characters like that, though I did also get Leon during this 5 Star event featuring him, which was pretty surprising.

[@sumfagola]

You start with Rosa, Brock and Misty. Blue was probably from gacha or a mission clear

[@HY0]

I love how Pokemon Masters gave us canon protagonists for each generation (aside from gen 7) being Red, Ethan, Brendan, Dawn, Hilbert, Rosa, Serena, and Gloria!

[@theownerofthisaccount2521]

So I’m not the only one who doesn’t know if Eilo or Serene is the protag?

[@10Bendog]

The way they’ve handled Elio and Selene, I’m not gonna be surprised if they literally were both the protagonists, because it seems both of them moved it to Alola and both reference the story events, tho Selene is more focused on the Island Trials, while Elio talks more about Lillie.

[@sssspider]

@@theownerofthisaccount2521 Lillie is the protag of Alola, Elio/Selene are just tagalongs.

[@theownerofthisaccount2521]

@@sssspider I know that part, I just meant the true player character I guess. Gen 7 was different in everything, including protagonists, so I guess I should’ve phrased it better

[@Noseihtam266]

I remember there being a side thing in Sun and Moon where you have to bring Prof. Kukui his mask so the fact that Elio knows he's the Masked Royal might imply that he's the real protagonist of the games, or Serene is just super oblivious.

[@piplupcola]

Fun fact Ruby/Brendan in the manga does pokemon contest while Sapphire/May does gym battles which is the only duo that does it opposite to the other protagonists. Also they are the only canonical couple among the protagonists in the Pokemon manga.

[@Code_Zero.1]

Ruby/Brendan was already a battle genius at a young age, but he didn't want to see his pokemon get hurt so he does pokemon contests instead

[@mellxw_]

also in Pokemon Masters you can see how Brendan and May feel something for each other, plus the RSE/ORAS games are the first to introduce two protagonists who interact with each other, so it makes sense that in the manga they are a canon couple

[@kannan07]

​@@mellxw_ pretty sure end of oras also implies a potential romance with may blushing

[@w3mp732]

10:09 is weirdly menacing as a child t-poses and staring into your soul.

[@ShadowXeldron]

I did know about the whole "Whitely was a Plasma grunt" thing however. Not because I've actually read the manga mind you, but because I spend an unhealthy amount of time on Bulbapedia. As for the SV protagonists actually being named, I just call Florian Zero after the Mega Man character. I heard that there was an Area Zero in the game (same name as the location from Mega Man Zero 4), so I ended up. I tried to actually look like Zero and, uh, I couldn't figure out how to make it look right so I gave up quickly. As a result you're just going to have to pretend that Florian is yelling WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOR when the AI gets sent on a time tour. I didn't have a name for the female protagonist though.

[@matthewroberts198]

Heeeeyyyyy! I do the same thing with the manga characters after DPPt parts. I too spend long, long, loooooooooong hours on Bulbapedia

[@pg13snipez]

I'd say something like citrinea, after the crystal citrine.

[@CStone-xn4oy]

Scarlet and Violet had full character customization...except for clothing. You know the part that everyone cares about the most and which almost every other Pokemon game that has had character customization has featured.

[@outbreakperfected5704]

IKR

[@myself-moons]

Seeing the thumbnail, It made me remind of the Shipping I did between Red and Rosa back in the day, It's just the calm nature of Red and the Active and crazy nature of Rosa would work well lol

[@KremBotop]

Oddly enough, I've found quite a bit of Red x Hilda artworks when looking up PokeMas fanarts in Pixiv. Guess battle craze duos work well to some, though iirc Gloria is still the only cross gen MC that Red has interacted with in PMEX so far.

[@gameinsane4718]

The sun and moon protagonists canonically struggle with dissociation or as they call it “ultra spacing out”

[@AlexDayz]

The naming convention for the first few gens was (and still is) super confusing. Obviously Red is always Red but many still believe Ash is Reds anime counterpart. Blue (Rival) and Green (Female Protagonist) are swapped in Japan to correspond to how Pokémon Green released before Blue. In addition many believe Gary is Blues counterpart and Green/Leaf are the same character in the Manga but seemingly different characters in the Games since Green shows up in Let’s Go but Leaf in Masters EX. Ethan is know as that in HGSS and Masters, Gold in GSC and the Manga, and Jimmy in the amine with an actual Gold existing…maybe(?). Kris is a nickname for Crystal which is used in the Manga where she’s also Lyra but Lyra and Kris are different characters as confirmed by Masters EX. Oh and apparently as Marina in the anime with (yet again) Lyra being her own character. Thank Arkoos that they’ve been more consistent for future generations where they’re know by their game name or Manga name

[@kannan07]

Which is kinda weird because ash existing in the games universe has been a thing since gen 7 Where in the demo,ash quite litterally mails elio And in the mart,there's a picture of ash So honestly,I've never considered ash to be red's counterpart

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

Gary is indeed Blue's anime counterpart and Ash more or less represents all the male player characters as his outfit changes to match theirs Leaf and Green are on practice the same character and are interchangeable in external media Lyra and Kris are different characters as they are the female protagonists of different games. Kris being the protagonist for crystal while Lyra is the female protagonist for the gold and silver remmakes

[@JunkHERO99]

I call all protagonists by their manga names, the best Pokémon continuity

[@Lyrikle]

I don't think the "confirmed to be the canon protag" ones really count, as EX doesn't take the actual player characters from the games but from this version of events, after all Red and Blue are in their 30s as of Sun and Moon, so you couldn't have kid Red interacting with current day Kukui unless it's not the main timeline.

[@meta527II]

The idea of Rosa being a former Team Plasma grunt actually sounds awesome! Though I didn’t think they’d let kids be part of their team.

[@MLmaster135]

one of the best facts of pokemon games is how the Johto protag, Ethan's, literally the only backwards hat protag in the entire game series- we need deff more backwards hat protags-

[@thomas1848]

Chad Lucas who canonically controls the god of time, yet is canonically 10.

[@OppaiShaddy]

"Full customization for the Scarlet and Violet protagonists" I'm inclined to agree until you get to their clothes. Then you have the choice of short sleeves and shorts or long sleeves and pants.

[@agentepinkie5438]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, hasn't Pokemon Masters confirmed who the cannonical Hoenn portagonist is as well? If I'm not mistaken, in PokeMas, we see that Brendan is Norman's child, hence, the protagonist, while May is Prof. Birch's daughter.

[@VenkataB123]

Correct. Brendan calls Norman Dad, so it's confirmed that he's the protag while May is the rival (though yes, we all know that May is treated much better than Brendan lol!)

[@shadowlugia2624]

I think Hilda and Hilbert were also confirmed for who is the protag as Hilbert and N know each other from the bw story line and Hilda was given the battle subway partner title instead, especially since she's a massive battle fanatic in masters ex.

[@agentepinkie5438]

@@shadowlugia2624 I LOVE Pokemas Hilda xD She's got just one braincell and it's busy battling. I love that dialogue that goes with Hilda like "Who's that N guy?" And Hilbert "You don't know after everything that happened??????" and she's just like "Ye, man, you know I just want to battle :3"

[@shadowlugia2624]

@@agentepinkie5438 If the pokemas Hilda and Nemona ever met, I think their battles would never end.

[@kicking_ninja]

​@@shadowlugia2624 OMG YES 🤣🤣🤣

[@MAZZ0Murder]

Depending on whether you read Pokemon Adventures/Special in Japanese or English, Blue as we know him is green, and Green/leaf is Blue in Japanese (their eye color reflects this). Anyway, if anyone hasn't read Pokemon Adventure it's a darn good manga :D

[@Manueltion15]

I will try to read it, but how long is it, and where can I find it

[@letstec]

The Rei/Akari thing is pretty weird, since theoratically they aren't protagonists. The character you select is a 15 year old Dawn/Lucas and based on that descision either Rei or Akari exist in the world as a counterpart and possibly your ancestor. Reasoning for you playing Dawn/Lucas are: 1.) Arceus send you from another time into Hisui 2.) In that time you had a phone (so modern era) 3.) You are a prodigy in batteling and catching pokemon almost as if you are a regions champion 4.) Leftover code/graphics reveal a 3d-version of Dawn/Lucas room 5.) Your character like ingo suffers from light amnesia and doesn't remember anything especially regarding time travel

[@gabritana]

12:17 i cry every time i see that hand

[@axromanomaly]

Did you know, in Pokémon Crystal the protagonists' sprites can be color swapped on the map with a glitch? (Until the event with the Pokéball maker).

[@lamarfll]

One thing to note about Pokemon Masters, its using multiverse (Hoopa to be exact) as its justification for all the characters showing up, so it really can't be taken as exactly canon, as these are just versions of characters, in some cases their adventures happen in ways not possible in mainline games (hell, even in this video you pointed out how Lucas and Dawn's starters don't match up with Dawn being the protagonist). The most obvious case is Cyrus is strongly implied to be from DP, and had no idea what Cynthia was talking about when she brings up what the Platinum version of him did. There's also dialogue from the protagonists that don't line up exactly with how things happen in the game, like Leaf traveling alongside Red and Blue, there's also Kris, and Lyra just existing together and traveling Johto alongside Ethan, or it being stated that after being defeated by Gloria and Hop, Eternatus managed to escape, leading to Leon in Masters catching it instead of the protagonist (which in Masters would be Gloria).

[@mistermisfortune13]

The actual pronunciation of Hibiki is "hee-bee-kee" The only reason I know this is because of Kamen Rider Hibiki

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Great video Surprised didn't mention any of the Brendan and Lucas movie cameos Especially the 1 vs 1 with Magmortar and Rhyperior which is the closest we got to a cross generational battle between two male protaganists in the anime The first female one being Dawn vs May The first ever cross generational battle between anime protaganist counterparts would have to be Ash vs May

[@slynthrax]

If you think about it the protagonist of Legends Arceus probably has a distant descendant existing at the same time they do since they are thrown back in time.

[@ToastNova]

I believe that the Looker Bureau confirms Calem and Serena’s ages at at least 17, making them older than Hilbert and Hilda even in BW2, and even pretty close to N in BW1

[@Vandalieu]

It doesn't I believe you and everyone else is getting it mixed up with the first encounter you and Looker have with Emma who refers to Looker as an old man during the encounter and get it mixed up with her also calling the player character old. There is zero dialogue saying the player character is older than certain characters.

[@LittleAl016]

@@Vandalieu It does. And I literally gave you the piece of dialogue proving such in another comment chain.

[@geet9830]

the fact there’s even an argument whether the gen 6 protags are the oldest boggles my mind because…one look at them and tell they’re older lmao. they’re much taller, more developed, and more evenly proportioned than the younger idols. they’re obviously the oldest.

[@ahoyladies8520]

As a diehard PoMaEX fan, appreciate you bringing up the tons of cool details Dena puts in each character, especially canonically establishing protagonists!

[@tankizard]

I find it... strange... That *GREEN* has her starter pokemon be Squirtle, a *BLUE* tiny turtle pokemon, Red uses Bulbasaur, a green...frog thing, and Blue uses Charmander, the RED colored starter. WATAFAK!?!?!?!?!?

[@ceecee6521]

What I find funny about Red and Charizard is that I'd HAVE to believe that this version of him is from Origins specifically. Otherwise....That'd most likely be Blue/Green's Charizard.

[@steveluvscows2490]

You forgot Rei and Akari were the only protagonists who canonically threw hands with Arceus (aka. GOD) _AND WON._

[@Tony_AM009]

One thing I noticed recently is that the shirt worn by Rosa from B2/W2 shares the same color scheme as the uniform of Team Plasma during the events of B/W. It would be neat if this was an intentional design choice.

[@Glace_cakes]

10:55 Also: 08/08 is red’s birthday, and Gloria’s 03/03 is yellow’s birthday! Those two, by the way, are canonically endgame as confirmed in an interview back in… I wanna say 2005? A nice cute little reference ❤

[@izzybzzydorkp568]

I'm kind of dumb But what are u referring to that is endgame?

[@Glace_cakes]

@@izzybzzydorkp568 a couple

[@kannan07]

​@@izzybzzydorkp568 Endgame ship The manga has a few endgame ships Namely red and yellow Ruby and sapphire Black and white

[@izzybzzydorkp568]

@@kannan07 Honestly more Specific then "a couple" so Thx

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

That bit about red and yellow being confirmed in an interview is nowhere to be seen on the wikis Do you have a source for that ?

[@theconfuzzleddoge]

something i would like to say is that in pokemon adventures, ruby was shown to have come from goldenrod instead of olivine, which I think is pretty interesting

[@AbyssalMerc]

I think both are accurate, Norman was likely the Olivine gym leader before Jasmine took over when he got demoted by the Pokémon League. But his family likely lived in Goldenrod because the school was there.

[@raythero8285]

I was shocked when I found out that Legends Lucas is called Ray bcs I always call my character "Ray" in every game so that technically makes my character Canon XD (Only in my eyes tho ^^")

[@Aupsic-hh5sy]

Selene in Masters EX acts like some sort or emotionless droid, saying "Alola! Alola!" to everyone that cross her. Even her phrase when she uses a Sync Move is just "Alola" lmao

[@Lizarius]

Personally, I think it's more interesting that the VAs were rookies than if they had been significant roles in the past.

[@alexohkay]

I always imagine Red/The protagonist talking to themselves when reading in game text not from npcs

[@ParadoxBrony]

I don’t know if there are other facts that exist about the protagonist characters beyond this video, but I rarely ever see this subject covered. I would love a part two of this that covers everything else you could possibly find.

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

I want to imagine that the voice actors of Akari and Rei are just janitors or office workers that they pulled into the recording studio and were told to just make up some exhausted sounds.

[@THESURGEKNIGHTS]

6:08 Did May get a ribbon in Sinnoh? She lost to Dawn in the Wallace Cup, and I don't recall her competing in any other contests in that season.

[@Max-eq2ib]

Dawn/Hikari being canonically 10 & only 4’6” is so funny. The strongest champion of all time Cynthia/Shirona sweeps everyone, and the person who took her title shows up and it’s some tiny kid.

[@sunshower6560]

0:22 - Where is this from?

[@EeveeGamerYT]

I thinks it's from a Pokèmon masters EX trailer during a Pokèmon presents

[@steveluvscows2490]

Green DID end up in Let's Go, being able to be fought after you've caught Mewtwo in Cerulean Cave

[@farzalou2154]

*Lucas is the only one that state he is not a pokemon protagonist*.........pain

[@chriselliott484]

The fact that we don't have that many animated series following the game protagonists is a shame

[@Ganjau]

If there’s one thing about Brendan is that I wish he didn’t have his dumb hat and instead had white hair. I always believed that as a kid he had white hair and a headband (which was further cemented with the Pokémon X webcomic by Recon Dye who drew the Brendan sprite with white hair)

[@vanguardplays3418]

I agree the white hair just made him look cool but now it's confirmed to be a weird hat

[@AhmadHazza-m4q]

nice video man, it's been a while since i enjoyed watching something on youtube

[@shuichisaihope398]

Here's every protagonist with a confirmed age(from Bulbapedia): Red/Leaf: 11 (From Manual) May/Brendan: 12 (In-game program) Hilda/Hilbert: 14 (Confirmed directly from creators) Elio/Selene: 11 (Easiest one lol) *This is one i heard once but idk where so not 100% sure, Serena/Calem: At least 16 (Emma a NPC post game is 16 and she says you're older)

[@toptier2800]

*laughs in japanese* so hilda is legal

[@shuichisaihope398]

@@toptier2800 uhhhh noo

[@Evdafawth]

​@@toptier2800 Only in specific prefectures, but please do not anyway.

[@Manueltion15]

I assume the Johto ones are also 11, the Sinnoh ones are 10-12, and the Kalos ones are 14 or 15 but that’s just my idea

[@hogunthegrim5464]

In the official ORAS playthrough guide and the ORAS demo, Brandon is officially known as Orlando.

[@bruvlodski317]

Why would it be surprising that Florian and Juliana have names? Every other pokemon protagonist have names, sometimes multiple... Sooooo?

[@nobodysans8014]

Male protagonist of gen 2: who am I...? Why do I have so many names?

[@luigiwithashotgun2196]

5:37 ...Today I finally learned *This is where Pokemon Duel got their idea from* God I miss that game

[@phoenixanimation5242]

Same

[@acedelta12]

I love what they did with Elio and Elesa's staring

[@colyrne]

I still have a Lugia and Turtwig from the TFG era, and I think they were a sick inclusion, even if they didn't succeed. The mobile game was fun to play when it was around as well.

[@Ikcatcher]

Pokémon Masters really about to be the game where it’ll reveal a protagonist murdered a man and commited tax evasion

[@seancarlson1023]

The fact that the main character from emerald was once named Sean is crazy cause Emerald was my first Pokemon game and I played it named Sean since... that's my name obviously 😂

[@Rafael_Oiticica]

I wish every Pokétuber was like you in this video: direct to the point, not passing 2mins into saying what the title says and unnecessarily expanding this topic, and when not having anything to say about something, saying like you did "I have nothing"! LOL Nice video!

[@Sakachi18]

Interesting. Did not know that about Hilbert and Hilda. I always knew them as 14 year olds, except in B2W2 where they were 16. I wonder why they changed them from 16 to 14 though, did they already plan to do a sequel set 2 years later and they didn't want them to canonically be the first protags to be adults going from 16 to 18??

[@LordEmpyreal]

When you were talking about Brendan, the fact that my first and middle names are Shaun and Landon had me turning my head.