FAIR Perspectives Ep. 19 - There Are No Victims w/ Ian Rowe

[@nancyg.]

Love this so much! So logical and thoughtful.

[@fairbellevuewachapter1914]

Fantastic interview and presentation. Bravo Ian, Eduardo and Melissa!

[@eswyatt]

The "success sequence" is a prime example of inferring causation from correlation.

[@richardjanowski]

At 47:30 Ian starts talking about the caps on charter schools. What a shame it is that an individual/organization can try to create a new solution to a problem that a community desperately wants solved, only to be held back by the anti school choice faction.

[@jamesbarton1969]

The average person will live down to expectations

[@kentklostreich95]

We should try to keep neutral words neutral and yet meaningful. There are obviously real victims in the world. Perhaps a better title would bear the idea of rejecting victimhood as an identity, or something to that effect.

[@zelloyello6303]

The idea of "upward mobility" assumes all people can be "upward mobile when the reality is the system is designed to have people at the bottom. If everyone "rose" there would be no bottom, then who would do the menial, tough and difficult labor? The fact that the gap between the rich and poor is growing. Agency is important but it cannot be the whole story.

[@laurajacobs1000]

The system is not "designed". It's just life. There are hierarchies everywhere. The person who does menial labor in the big box store will not rise to management if they don't try - if they don't show up, if they don't learn systems, etc. Yes, there are always people in the "bottom", but you don't have to stay there. If you don't make an effort, you guarantee that you will not succeed.

[@j2248]

The title of this video might dissuade people from watching it. You should consider changing it

[@Harlembrown]

Allow me to disagree with this a bit. Perhaps we've finally reached a point where folks honestly are tiring of the victimization. I don't deny that there will be some who see the title and reflexively avoid it. But I would argue that most, if not all, of them weren't likely to watch it in the first place.

[@j2248]

@@Harlembrown that's a fair point. I guess I am still holding onto the belief that people can still be persuaded with the right choice of words. This belief is why I don't use words like woke or snowflake when discussing these topics with people, I feel that such words are divisive and can invoke a disinclination to persuasion.

[@Harlembrown]

@@j2248 I’m right there with you on words like “snowflake” and others that have become pejoratives. They pretty much end the conversation and reveal the intentions of their users through tone alone. Perhaps the same is finally happening with “woke”. If this is the case, I would see this as a good sign. It would mean those who once wore the word as a badge of honor may finally be seeing its negative connotations as well, and are opening up to honest dialogue. One can hope.

[@dewilliamsco]

While there are actual victims in the world, what we see (and need to get people to stop doing) is wearing victimhood as an identity. All people, especially kids, need to understand that we do have agency over our lives and decisions.

[@vibrent1]

What word should we use besides woke? I agree neutral language is better. Critical justice activism? Instead of call out culture I say call out activism.

[@arxaaron]

Ian lost me instantly when he talks about enforcing sexist segregation and discrimination in schooling. The world is not separated as "all boys" and "all girls". Anywhere. Ever. From my 2 decades of service as a Youth Worker supporting a vibrant, self directed, gender flexible Quaker teen program, this promotion of sexist segregation runs counter to all of my experiences in education and seems to undermine every principle and goal that Ian claims to be pursuing.

[@dewilliamsco]

There are numerous studies that boys and girls excel in gender-specific school environments. It removes a lot of the social distractions and allows them to focus on the purpose of school: learning, morals, culture, and skills acquisition.