Faith and Science - The Shroud of Turin - Ignited by Truth 2018

Father Spitzer's factual review of the Shroud of Turin and why we are sure it's Christ's burial cloth. Based on Father Sptizer's IBT presentation updated to include scientific details and key photos.

[@Creeper308]

I haven't decided if God is amused or saddened by this: He leaves PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE of Jesus' resurrection and people still won't believe.

[@joedanache7970]

You are right, there is powerful photographic evidence of Jesus' resurrection on The Shroud of Turin. And there are some people who still don't believe. Even when Jesus was walking on the Earth in the flesh performing miracles in the eyes of thousands people, the people still would not believe in Him. Whats it going to take??

[@eggmar5470]

What is BELIEF ? BELIEF is the absence of CERTAINTY ! BLIND FAITH without PROOF is still theory ! BELIEF IS THEORY ! PROOF is FACT ! FACTS that can never be wrong is TRUTH !

[@Momofboys1225]

Hallelujah. But those of us who know? Will always know. 🥰 Always have known.

[@vanlkester5815]

Some will believe.

[@milojames5593]

They didn’t believe when he raised Lazarus, so….

[@user-wm7mp2fl1p]

The Shroud without a doubt is the burial cloth of Jesus the image face is not painted as no paint or brush mark can be found what took place is similar to how a Xerox photo copy machine work but in the Shroud's case a much better process than the Xerox machine just the same the wine Jesus made at the wedding for his mother taste much better than wine made by men certainly I did not taste the wine but I am able to distinguish the taste because it was divinely made because Jesus is the one and only perfect person to walk the earth hence the wine had to be perfect

[@johnqsmith8174]

I love you know Christ is God....but I am serious....I am not being mean.....1. Why should I tell my sins to Priest?....where did Jesus say that?....We are to have a relationship directly through Jesus......2. Why do you pray to Mary and the “Saints”? I Love that Catholicism is huge and powerful and has influence throughout the world. You spread Christ’s word but please...I need those two answers....My sons are Catholic....so I truly want to know to complete my research into becoming a Catholic from a “Christ only” follower.

[@rosiebaker4250]

I never die ever ever i dont omow what the talking about

[@fredgillespie5855]

Why are Catholics always searching for, and why do they need, relics of this or that to bolster their faith?

[@lawmaker22]

we dont need it but hey we like to have it..simple as that

[@lawmaker22]

@buck ewer catholic faith is a faith of a church established by jesus... Men are not pefrect, that has nothing to do with faith.. And you clearly know nothing about 2000 years of catholic faith

[@lawmaker22]

@buck ewer everything you sad is wrong, everything. Look im tired of protestans like you that feel only hate, explaining catholicism to you.. Lets just say that you should be thankful to CC, if there wasnt for her effort christianity wouldn exist... And watch 10 series Catholicism by bishop Robert Barron and you will get all the answers on your delusional claims. Please do that ok? Its only 10 hours of film. Try to open youre mind and heart

[@realitywins9020]

Why did Jesus carry out miracles to bolster people's faith? Faith is based on evidence, it isn't meant to be blind

[@johnqsmith8174]

I believe on Judgement day God will say “ I gave you a book of my Laws” I gave you a Biography of my life” “ I gave you a hologram of me” yet still....you chose not to believe.

[@carolbell8008]

I’ve seen The Shroud in person and it is the buriel and resurrected cloth of Jesus.

[@tomsheehy1]

What a sad person you are . you obviously left school a bit too early. Just another religious scam for naive religious followers who are lacking in the ability to study and think rationality. Listening to this American buffoon spouting nonsense that any intelligent person would be shocked to think that there are people who think that these charlatans are believable. There will also be simple people buying these books from spivs . Ever heard of something called science & history. You know those things which are backed up by peer reviewed evidence & testing , building models all which can be falsified. We are living in the 21st century , not burning witches anymore and we have been to the moon, And still we have people who believe in Santa Claus.

[@tartvtheafricanrepublic7825]

@@tomsheehy1 What a sad comment. I will remember you in my prayers. You cannot get something out of nothing remember?

[@tomsheehy1]

@@tartvtheafricanrepublic7825 - Can you define what nothing means. Is that where god or the"flying spaghetti monster" came from. Although normally we would accept that something cannot come from nothing , however nobody can define what a nothing means. And furthermore we don't have a time machine to examine the initial state of the universe 13.5 billion years ago. Scientists have various hypothesis how the expansion of the universe from a singularity could have occurred. Also recent break--through's in quantum physics has shown that protons can come in and out of existence without any explanation. Positing some imaginary being as the cause of anything has no explanatory powers and is known in philosophy as the argument from ignorance. We don't know so a intelligent mind or a god did it.

[@daddad90]

I believe it to be also. The STURP groups findings in 1978 proved that the mechanism used in producing this product is not found in this time and space. They were able to point to examples that simulate this behavior in transference of objects into imagery by referring to the images, of objects and people, that were produced on buildings in glass and brick structures left there after the atomic blasts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The energy that produced the image of the shroud does not exist in three dimensional space

[@tomsheehy1]

@@daddad90 : You obviously are very easily disillusioned. How badly do you religious need to believe , i won't say retards ,do you have have to be told,time after time that this is just another scam to part gullible people from their money. All this bullshit will never alter the fact that the earliest provenance for this piece of cloth is from Liry in France around the year thirteen fifty (1350 CE ) . Isn't it strange that this dating happens to co-incide with the findings of the top three laboratories in the world. Even he local bishops and the pope at the time had been informed of the skilled artist responsible and decreed that the so called shroud should not be displayed as an artefact from the first century. But I forget that you religious genius's know better than any scientist and you will come up with all kinds of unscientific nonsense to try to justify your need to belief in superstitious and supernatural nonsense. Try checking a real scientist looking at all the false claims made about this piece of cloth. It's on you tube. And, bye the way before you claim it's an impression of a two thousand year old jewish carpenter you might want to start by showing how you know what he looked like , not to mind showing proof that he even ever existed. But I would expect that evidence would not mean very much to believers in talking snakes , donkeys, burning bushe's ,virgin birth's etc. As Sineca said in the year 146 CE : religion is regarded as true by the common man, as false by the wise man, and useful by rulers & tyrants. Some 21st. century folks have still to catch on.

[@sabrinawoodard5788]

He is truly risen thank you so much father I could listen to you All day we become experts and continue to spread the truth about the shroud I am German but living in the US and I hope one day I can go back to Europe and visit the shroud

[@michaelfawkes4794]

How much proof does one need!! It's pretty clear this is the real deal, it's that simple.

[@vazghoul]

Thank you so much., Our Lord Jesus Christ be with us all

[@mickjames7962]

This is the REAL Game of Thrones. And it's WAY more intriguing, exciting, and has real world implications and afterworld implications for your very SOUL. Hollyweird has nothing on the truth, for the truth will set you free, while lies and half truths enslave. Jesus IS LORD.

[@jeanper7817]

Absolutely true !

[@MsDormy]

I am so awed by the truth of the shroud. The terrible agony dear Jesus suffered for us is appalling; to think that he went through this willingly. For us. We have a duty to repay him in love, and live our lives showing that love.

[@janeybusiness6601]

Maybe the man had to be tortured in order to make his blood chemistry so as to get such an image onto the linen cloth when his spirit body ascended.

[@michaelwright3351]

The book “A Doctor at Calvary” by Pierre Barbet MD is an analysis of the shroud from a medical standpoint. After reading this book I cannot doubt that the Shroud is authentic.

[@sabrinawoodard5788]

I just ordered the book!!

[@ewaldsteven]

Thank you Michael and God bless.

[@marybethknappwilliston4503]

Super book!!💪💪🙏🙏✝️✝️

[@opencurtin]

Th Shroud of Turin is the only image of its kind in the world no one can replicate the exact properties of the image of the shroud , people have tried but every time fail to match the shroud but they still say its a fake , a NASA expert stated the technology needed to replicate the image on the shroud does not exist you would need thousands of laser beams to attempt to flash the image on to the very top of the fibers on the cloth , there are no paint strokes evidence of paint on the shroud , there are so many things that point that the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth .

[@eggmar5470]

Old bullshit that's what it is !

[@opencurtin]

eggmar54 that’s real ignorant if you looked at both sides of the argument without bias like I have you’d see that the evidence for the shrouds authenticity far outweigh against it not been the burial cloth of Jesus Christ !

[@eggmar5470]

I guess your crazy too .

[@opencurtin]

buck ewer It’s a great artifact have a nice day :)

[@opencurtin]

eggmar54 ah sure it’s doing no harm ! Xx

[@sushi_mermaid7116]

Some people will never believe no matter how much evidence is given to them.

[@courag1]

That is the state of the natural man, who does not seek God and is unwilling to believe. God chose a people for Himself. It is He who chose us or none would believe. This fact humbles me all the more. It is all by grace and even that we do good works, He ordained that we should walk in them. All that is good is of God. We believe because He called us. And we heard.

[@DrSidney1945]

well done; well presented! There is no single doubt left to recognise the shroud as authentic. It is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ and he has resurrected. Hallehluyah!

[@eggmar5470]

.....NO IT ISN'T !!!

[@beateberg5535]

dont be deceived

[@ChrisAtKaffirsCorner]

@@eggmar5470 Why do you say that?

[@praveenliverpool]

I believe in Jesus Christ, God from God, Light from Light. True God from true God. Begotten not made. Of one being with the Father.

[@tomgeorge9025]

What scriptures are you reading?

[@jayguevara6153]

@@tomgeorge9025 He's quoting from the Nicene Creed, Tom.

[@tomgeorge9025]

@@jayguevara6153 I known that , because None of the Prophets,or Disciples speaks like that… Scriptures tell us the truth, Not church fathers hundreds of years later …

[@jayguevara6153]

@@tomgeorge9025 That's neat. Thanks for sharing.

[@georgios7191]

@@tomgeorge9025 The first Church fathers were disciples and friends with the apostles

[@johnfrancis4809]

Our God is truly an awesome God. And He loves us.

[@pradeeppeter5068]

The most convincing commentary about the authenticity of the shroud

[@ChrisAtKaffirsCorner]

@Commendatore So if I'm understanding you correctly, here is my answer. If the man on the cross was a replacement, then I don't see any reason God(or in the Muslim belief, Allah) would raise him from the dead

[@ChrisAtKaffirsCorner]

@Commendatore Well now I am even more confused on your question. Do you think you could reword it? "would God resurrect that man if he really took Jesus place and was wrapped unto that cloth?" If this God is actually Allah(Islam) then I don't see a reason other than the deceive, which I think Muslims would be very uncomfortable saying. This is my second attempt to answer your question, I don't understand it fully.

[@davekanak]

THE SIGN OF JONAH - Imo, The Shroud of Jesus Christ IS The Sign of Jonah. Matthew 12:38-41 38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.” 39 But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. In the time of Jesus it was common to use Inclusive Counting, that includes a partial day as a whole day. The Jewish day begins at night fall or 6PM. The (1st Night and Day) Began on 6PM Thursday or Friday Night for the preparation of the Passover meal. Jesus Died at 3PM Friday, and was entombed before 6PM when Friday Ended. The (2nd Night and Day) Began on 6PM Saturday to 6PM Sunday. The (3rd Night and Day) was from 6PM Sunday to 6PM Monday. Resurrection was early Sunday Morning.

[@luisamnyallopezcavazos7917]

You betcha he did , it is how the world would recognize me , and I am here on Earth so man can behold me

[@oRayUKo]

Wow

[@richflinchbaugh1271]

Excellent summation of the scientific reasons why the shroud is authentic.

[@kbeetles]

Do not provoke the materialists/atheist - they cannot take it with dignity......

[@edgarsantos2217]

Jesus I trust in you...

[@gloriawilliams6036]

Thank you Father for this wonderful presentation 🙏✝️🕊

[@MrJack4040]

Hé is not here..

[@ChrisAtKaffirsCorner]

Who is not?

[@jayski8082]

I rem'ber hearing _SOME_ of this on C2C(Coast to...@Misnite w/George N00ry on AM Radio several yrs back; but probably not having this newer Evidences either bc they just came out-?) Idk? But I _KNOW 4A FACT_ He was _NOT_ "Pro-Shroud" the guy & 1 of thee Main PhD Researchers. He talked abt how he was raised as an American Jewish man & 'Atheist/Agonostic'(?) who brought up how his Family were Orthodox, es'plly his Mother! And how he'd wanted to go there "to quickly _DISPROOVE THIS W/A FEW Others..Along for The Ride Who Got Picked & B4 The CChurch 'Put It Away 4Good'; _*_in order to, as he said I rem'ber distinctly, "show how this was some 13th Century Hoax & Proove it had nothing but some 'Unknown/Unidentified Paint on It' & was gonna be a Quick Few Wks There & Back w/himself & Others' Prominent Names being on all The World's Paper". But turned into a several decade researching still w/no plausibilty but "questions that s'rrnd things like Faith". As he kept getting drawn more & more & "knocked down" w/every New Possible Theory He or They would Propose" Until he found himself(to this Day!)drawn into It for An ALot Longer Haul that He finally "gave up" "theories to contrary it" but "go wherever it took him" & wrote a Book(1 then)abt his Journey, Background & so on. And I rem'ber him saying his Mother being an_*_ _Ultra Orthodox Woman_ was thus always hesitant a'rnd her to even dare bring it up! But 1 day they were driving 2gther & how _SHE_ brought it all up outta nowhere & asked Point by Point questions *until he said she remained quiet & finally said, .."huh! they _Really DID Kill that Man didn't they?"* And then nvr talked negative abt it again the neither of them. Pretty amazing, but 1 doesn't _NEED This For Faith_ but It Is 'Quite Intriguing' at the least to _STILL BE_ Even a Discussion after 1988 & Carbon Dating that the Skepticks _ONLY_ Bring Up but its from the Edges they took from where even OLD pictures & Paintings of It Being Unfilded shows they always TOUCHED IT W/Human Hands "At", so that nullifies It as Tampered Area in ANY 'Court of Law" esp'lly after soo many Centuries of Folding, grabbing at _'That Area' they decided to Carbon Date It From!??_ C'mon! You can't be Serious you Skepticks, but skeptick I understand obstinace I DON'T! Thats why '"Dives" the Rich Man in h... said "no! but if they send back 1 from the dead then (my brothers _WILL B'LVE!_ But it was said to him, nah, bc even if they send 1 back from the dead they _STILL WILL NOT B'LVE(ie., But will, loving their Darkness, 4ever 'find excuse & theory to remain in Unbelief' basically)..thus, let them hear Moses & the Prophets(ie., The Bible of Jesus' Day or O.T./Tanakh) & they can Believe then.."[Luke16]. And what do you know, Jesus actually raises a dead man _NAMED LAZARUS rite after this Parable/Story & They only Sought More So To Kill Him _&_ Lazaruz, who was a charactar Name in _That Story!_ Coincidence? I trow not! But as for this "Shroud" as said, _1 doesnt Need Such To Believe,_ *as Its God's Redeeming Holy Spirit Who Regenerates 1's Repentant, Humbled SOUL!* - not Miricles nor Relics tho they DO Help in 'Dark Times To Ponder On! So, Definitely Still, To This Day Quite Intriguing tho, *I must say!* Praise God for such & all my eyes have seen that were "Miricles" to Me At least! But to all 'a d'ffrnt measure' I guess.

[@ygfaith9837]

DEFINITELY RIGHT [B] OR DEFINITELY WRONG [S], IF YOU & I ARE RIGHT, THEN WE ARE SAVED!!! 1. SOMEONE FROM HEAVEN INVITE YOU AND ME TO HEAVEN = B 2. WORLD PEOPLE INVITE PEOPLE IN HEAVEN (CLAIM HEAVEN) = S 3. THE OWNER OF HEAVEN COMES AND RETURNS TO HEAVEN, HE PROMISE WILL COME AGAIN = B 4. THE MESSIAH (JESUS) DIED AND ASCENSION TO HEAVEN PROMISED HEAVEN = B 5. THE APOSTLE (PROPHET) DIED AND WAS BURYED FOREVER PROMISING HEAVEN = S 6. JESUS CHRIST WILL COME AGAIN TO BE A FAIR JUDGE = B 7. ANGELS/PROPHETS MADE PROMISES FROM WITHIN THE GOA2 = S 8. THE CHILDREN OF THE LORD JESUS DEFINITELY INHERITE HEAVEN = B 9. REJECTING JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR, BUT WANT HEAVEN = S 10. IN JESUS, HEART IS COMFORTABLE, PEACE, JOY AND PEACE = B GBU YOUR CHRISTIAN APOLOGETES ALL SMART, HALLELUJAH 3X PASTI BENAR [B] ATAU PASTI SALAH [S], JIKA ANDA & SAYA BENAR, MAKA KITA SELAMAT !!! 1. SESEORANG YANG DATANG DARI SURGA MENGAJAK ANDA DAN SAYA KESURGA = B 2. ORANG DUNIA MENG-AJAK2 ORANG KESURGA (KLAIM SURGA) = S 3. PEMILIK SURGA DATANG DAN KEMBALI KESURGA, DIA JANJI AKAN DATANG LAGI = B 4. MESIAS (JESUS) MATI DAN NAIK KESURGA MENJANJIIN SURGA = B 5. RASUL (NABI) MATI DAN DIKUBUR SELAMANYA MENJANJIKAN SURGA = S 6. JESUS KRISTUS AKAN DATANG LAGI MENJADI HAKIM ADIL = B 7. MALAIKAT/NABI MENG-UMBAR2 JANJI2 DARI DALAM GUA2 = S 8. ANAK2 TUHAN JESUS PASTI MEWARISI (AHLI WARIS) SURGA = B 9. MENOLAK JESUS SEBAGAI TUHAN DAN JURUSELAMAT, TAPI MAU SURGA = S 10. DIDALAM JESUS, HATI NYAMAN, TENTERAM, SUKACITA DAN DAMAI SEJAHTERA = B GBU PARA APOLOGET KRISTEN ANDA SEMUANYA SMART, HALELUYA 3X

[@johnfrancis4809]

Wonderful. AMDG

[@lighthousetvhazonfaith1446]

No body has considered that the image can be made by heat of a living JESUS as he was not dead ,only SWOONED and Joseph and Nicodemus brought him to consciousness.

[@jrbaretta]

RIP BARRIE SCHWORTZ June 21, 2024

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Leaving behind a burial shroud for viewers to ponder is a nice touch. Now where is Jesus?

[@jameszank2920]

I really appreciate the fact that this guy welcomes science as a comparison

[@adinadhangmei3393]

Please pray for My daughter business

[@johnrayrosa731]

He was neither saddened or amused because he doesn't exist

[@johnpennachetti182]

I Can’t Stop Crying……..🥺😭

[@rosiebaker4250]

I am talking with sun and moon starts

[@phillipjones3766]

is there a written transcript of this lecture?

[@TomJones519]

look up gary habermas

[@lucioinnocenzo2328]

I am still an atheist, but this presentation is amazing. Great job.

[@jf3637]

What more evidence do you need? Do you think there's a chance that Father Spitzer and others are making everything up? There's no longer any gray area here. Everything has been authenticated. You either believe it's real or you believe there's a giant scam going on to make everyone believe it's real. Which is clearly absurd. Everything that Father Spitzer outlined can be verified. Everything. The one and only mystery that remains is why the Vatican has not made an official comment regarding all of the new evidence and the authenticity, beyond ALL doubt, reasonable and unreasonable. The only reason that I can come up with is that many folks all around the world won't be able to handle the truth. It's better to keep it as a relic of faith rather than fact because it would turn the world upside down. There IS a God. And here is the proof. WOW. :-|

[@lucioinnocenzo2328]

@C Croft for a great claim you need a great proof said Euclid. I reckon that Christianity, unlike other religions, really has some historic facts about it. I know that Jesus really existed and that he was indeed crucified. I've watched many lectures by Licona about that. The shroud too is incredible. What is stopping me? Well everything else I see in nature makes me not believe, the fact that God appeared to Paul but not to me, the fact that if I were God and I wanted to reveal myself to humans, I would do a way better job than what is the Bible. I could go on and on, but this topic should be discussed in person, it's hard to explain it all in a comment.

[@rosiegirl4751]

@@lucioinnocenzo2328 .. With all due respect...your a foolish man! Jesus has given us many tangible miracles so that we would believe. Look at all of the Eucaristic miracles..look at all of the church approved apparitions of our Blessed Mother at Fatima, Lourdes, Guadalupe..look at divine mercy..the mysterious staircase..the house of Loreto..Padre Pio and the miracles done by our Lord through his saints..it goes on and on! Jesus is not playing a game of hide-n-seek! He has given us all we need to have faith, and to make that decision to follow Him or not...Jesus is pure love..He doesn't want to force us to love Him..He wants us to go to Him freely...with our love for Him! The bible gives witness to Him, by His apostles..and it's also an instruction manual on how He wants us to live. He knows we will fall because of original sin...that's why He gave us the sacraments, so we could get back up and strive for holiness..so that we can share in that heavenly kingdom that He promises us! We don't have the ability with our teeny weeney little brains, to imagine what wonders He is offering to us in heaven!

[@lucioinnocenzo2328]

@@rosiegirl4751 These miracles are a joke to me. Padre Pio was a fraud according to many, and if you go to his place, that place generates millions, so it is only fair to be skeptical. Do these "miracles" really satisfy you? A ghost appearing to some illiterate children? All religions and all drunk people have these sorts of events. I want real proofs, not these jokes. Is there a person on the planet who doubts the existence of the iPhones? No. And why's that? Because there is an actual, material proof that has convinced every single person about the existence of the iPhones. And you are telling me that God, the creator of everything, isn't able to give us proof about his existence? Steve Jobs did a better job than God? This is nonsense. God could just appear right now in the sky for everyone to see, 100 times bigger than the sun. He could do it. It's within his power. And everyone would become a believer in a second. But he doesn't. How come? The Bible is a very human book in my eyes.

[@guysoiccy7087]

Lucio if God appeared in the sky right now to prove to you He is God He wouldnt be God. Secondly the proof that there is a God is that you exist and so does all nature that you talk of beloved. You ever wonder where good and evil came from. And who controls it. And if u think it came from humans then where did their good and bad emotions come from. Why does a person feel good or bad why is there even a good and a bad. How come everything isnt just all good. The signs are there at its lowest form if you look with your spiritual eyes and not the natural. Do you believe you are your body? Or do you believe you are spirit?

[@eydiemalik2731]

Thank you father Spitzer and contributors for this magnificent video. I have watched several times and I have shown to family and friends. Gracias y bendiciones

[@vebnew]

Indeed.....I own museum quality reproductions of the Lance of Longinus, nails, crown of thorns, Roman flagrums, and actual set of tefillin, a full size copy of both the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium. All items are stored in a silver case. I cannot handle any of them without weeping......

[@GoodShepherdFilms3333]

Shroud of Turin is the sign of Jonah

[@ewaldsteven]

I believe the Shroud is authentic, but wasn't one of the Eucharistic miracles mentioned debunked as it was female blood?

[@phillipjones3766]

what is the word he is using for the ghostly spirt of jesus PUMONTECANSOMA???

[@angelapple8426]

You have to work for everything in life and the life after death, as nothing in life is for free really.

[@victordoofilipe9002]

A a 1st century, really precise, "supernatural selfie" if ever there was one, hahahaha!

[@horationelson57]

Would someone please elucidate about the image being on only the very top fibrils of the cloth; on the side which is wrapped around the body, or the other, outer side? Thanks!

[@PedroMunoz-bb2yu]

I believe the image would have been formed on the side that was wrapped around the body since the light that came from the dead body of Jesus emanated from the body itself and not from the outside.

[@horationelson57]

@@PedroMunoz-bb2yu Thank you for your reply. That was my thoughts also, however it has not been articulated as such( at least in the videos/talks I have heard). Cheers

[@chuckHart70]

The cloth was not WRAPPED like a mummy. It was folded in half and then binding strips were used, much like you see people getting buried in the area now. There are old paintings depicting this well.

[@tvs3497]

It's unexplained with today's scientific knowledge. But Dame Isabel Piczek may have gotten closer than anyone. She understood the image as it relates to the position of the body. She reveals a very keen point that no one else picked up on. Worth the time to watch.

[@ToddDuganGolf]

Interestingly, there is some faint image on the under side of the cloth, as well as the well-known front and dorsal images on the top of the cloth. But there is nothing in between. Explain that one, skeptics.

[@GenX.Bigfoot]

Have they carbon dated the Sudarium? If not, why not?

Did you even bother watching the presentation? Carbon dating is literally the first thing he discusses

[@GenX.Bigfoot]

@ Yes, but he never mentioned if they carbon dated it. That''s why i'm asking if anyone knows. If it dates back to the 1st century then that would be a huge discovery.

[@ALLHEART_]

6:40

[@geodarnodan6750]

Very simple and important question: Why isn't the shroud retested for the carbon dating ?

[@chuckHart70]

It has been if you dig deep enough. The date came back 1 century A.D. The question really is why havent we been told that? I think you know why.

[@chuckHart70]

Also as the priest said 4 new tests were done....

[@geodarnodan6750]

@@chuckHart70 I have watched many Shroud's documentary, never have one mentioned that test was repeated and showed it's a first century item. Can you provide source where it says its 1st century item ?

[@nenabunena]

@@geodarnodan6750 I believe the retest was taken from the STURP sticky tape so maybe that's not considered as sufficient as it would only be 1-3 strands of the cloth. As for retesting the c-14, it would no longer show a credible date Bec the shroud was kept in a box with chemicals to kill off bacteria which contaminated the shroud. That's according to Barrie Schwartz. BTW, Schwartz and the original scientists from the STURP team allege those from the 1980s team were bribed to produce a false date hence why they purposely mangled the c-14 testing

[@sabinahertzum9728]

@Geodarno Dan they looked at the remaining clothsamples and discovered that it had been repaired with cotton in the middleages - the dating of the samples were between 1200 and 1500 (Ish) because the sample Was repaired in a diagonal... As i Understand it they took the linnen fibers and compared with the sticky tape samples, and i believe they carbontested This to the 1 century... I have watched various talks about This topic, and i dont believe This Guy have All the facts.... He said some details that the science doesnt agree with.... And there are things he doesnt get in to.. he is molding the facts to fit his narrative... But what bugs me the most is his repetition of things that dont need to be repeated...

[@robertruggiero9999]

He’s confused. He says the fire happened in the 1500s and that the 1988 carbon dating sample was taken from the area of the shroud which was repaired after the fire yet the 1988 carbon dating dates the shroud to 1260 to 1380.

[@eggmar5470]

These STORIES are why people take DRUGS !

[@philosophersbench6595]

You refuse to accept any fact that contradict your bias opinion

[@Swol.Ant1k]

Sounds like your on drugs.

[@yoshiyahseven7677]

Instead of removing comments that do not agree with your assessments, one should allow them to display if you are so confidant. I speak as I do because I know what a BIble states. I will believe a Bible before I will believe men. Shroud of Turin By use of a Bible it is easy to prove the Shroud is NOT an image of Messiah. This concept comes because mankind pre-supposes Messiah had long hair which is a concept created SOLELY by painters of mid centuries. It is NOT possible Messiah had long hair no matter what the authors of this video state. At Hebrews 4:15 we read at no point of Messiah’s life did he ever SIN. 1 John 3:4 advises SIN IS THE VIOLATION OF THE LAW. So with this observation we can easily determine Messiah never violated the law. There is a law which Ezekiel speaks of well at Ez. 44:20 which reads, NEITHER SHALL THEY SHAVE THEIR HEADS NOR SUFFER THEIR LOCKS TO GROW LONG, THEY SHALL ONLY POLL THEIR HEADS. This terminology of POLL means to shear or cut short, but as stated above, NOT SHAVE the head. THIS IS A LAW MESSIAH NEVER VIOLATED ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE. Note the commentary in Ezekiel above is to the priests but recall Hebrews 10:21 indicates Messiah is the High Priest thus he is a priest and too, Isaiah 24:2 indicates whatever is mandated by law to men is also for the priests. Men who are not priests and men who are priests are told to cut their hair short and it is forbidden to wear long hair. So how is it possible to argue Messiah had long hair after this Biblical logic? If anyone suggests Father Yahweh approves of long hair, this person is a liar and fool. Yahweh told you in the law he DOES NOT approve of long hair on men. Messiah told you at Mt. 13:41-42 ALL THOSE who violate the law will be taken out of the kingdom and thrown into fire. Father Yahweh told you at Isaiah 24:1-6 because mankind refuses to keep the laws and because they CHANGED the law, the whole earth will burn up with a curse and few men will be left alive. So anyone growing their hair long will have in fact violated the law and one could say they are responsible for the earth burning and killing most people because they refused to obey. Yahweh also told you NOTHING in the law would ever change and Messiah said the same thing so how do fools tell you lies about Messiah? (Ps. 89:34 & Mt. 5:17-20) The only exception in a Bible would be to use an example of Samson. This man was under a Nazarite vow all of his life according to any bible version thus according to law, he would never cut his hair until the vow was completed. For this man, his vow was ongoing all his life. Most men would see a time period of working to fulfill the vow and when that vow was complete, the man shaved his head to indicate the vow was fulfilled. Men like Samson and Yahshua Messiah DID NOT live their lives violating any laws. Therefore it is NOT possible Messiah had long hair. This fact cannot be hidden but the authors will argue their nonsense to perpetuate their video lies. By telling you these truths, I am keeping the law seen at Lev. 5:1 thus I will do it. A man also under a Nazarite vow was not allowed to come in contact with the grape or anything made with grapes for the full term of the vow. Messiah was seen to produce wine made from grapes at a wedding and because we know he never violated the law, all of his life he partook of wine during Passover AS PER LAW. That would be the laws he never violated. Had Messiah been under a Nazarite vow, it is quite reasonable to know it would be written about. It is not. To the trained Hebrew reader, when reading of Samson having grown his hair long, it would automatically be known by the Hebrew lawfully trained mind Samson was under a vow which escapes the knowledge of all unlawful readers. This concept by sheer logic shows the Shroud to NOT be an image of Messiah. His hair was never long and if it was, he would have been a charlatan as a Messiah could have never violated the law and become the perfect sacrificial lamb. The concept would have been a lie which it is not. Messiah was perfect thus blameless. People want to believe what they want to believe. Kids believe there are monsters under the bed but they are not there. It is not remotely possible Messiah or any other lawful men wore their hair long. To say otherwise is to call your Bible a liar.

[@yoshiyahseven7677]

@@thesimplegospel3529 If you will read further there is law that tells ALL MEN to do as the men priests to. Please see Isaiah 24:2. Also know that at Ex 19:5-6 Yahweh tells mankind IF IF IF you keep the agreement to keep my laws. (covenant) I will make you to be a kingdom of priests and a Holy Nation. A promise is given here. The Bible actually has a plan laid out for mankind found in the laws. Man is told to KEEP THE LAW and if they do so they will become this KINGDOM of PRIESTS. At Rev 20:6 we see mention of WHO it is that shows up at first resurrection. It read. BLESSED AND HOLY ARE THEY WHO SHOW AT FIRST RESURRECTION FOR THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF YAHWEH AND MESSIAH AND SHALL RULE WITH THEM FOR 1000 YEARS. Here is seen the ONLY people who show up at first resurrection are BLESSED and HOLY. Yahweh said IF YOU KEEP THE LAWS I will make you to be a ruling class of priests. Deut. 11:26-28 show us one is BLESSED if they keep the law and cursed if they do not. Rev 20 said the ONLY people who show are BLESSED therefore we know they kept the laws. We are also told they are holy. Romans 7:12 says THE LAW IS HOLY. This would mean if one kept the law they would be holy. Rev 20 advises the only people who show are BLESSED AND HOLY. You are told TWO TIMES these people are lawful. It fulfills the promise Yahweh stated in Ex. 19. At Hebrews 10:21 we are told the Messiah is now the HIGH PRIEST of THE HOUSE OF YAHWEH. We know it reads that way because every reference book on Earth tells us Yahweh's name was removed and substituted with EL. El is the Father pagan demon god of the Canaanites. El translates to god as a Strong;s Concordance tell us. Under all High Priests is a priesthood. These priests show up at first resurrection and they were in training all their lives by keeping the law. Yahweh judges them worthy of becoming the priesthood UNDER Messiah who today in in fact a Priest.. Rev 20 says so. I stated very clearly a man by law is to not wear his hair long. Thy only exception is a man under a Nazarite vow which Messiah never was as we know he partook of wine on all Passover feast times as per law and he made wine. It is not possible Messiah ever violated the law which forbids man to wear his hair long. ALL MEN are expected to keep the same laws. These laws are also kept by Father and son. The law applies to ALL PEOPLE in a family also called a Kingdom. It is impossible to be in that kingdom if one refuses to obey the king. All men were required to wear their hair short. ONLY pagan cultures wore long hair or kept their heads shaved. Hebrew men always had short hair. It is absolutely the law.

[@abj136]

@@yoshiyahseven7677 You put forth many words but you do not understand. Isaiah 24:2 is not talking about what laws to keep, but about judgment. There is no law for the average man to keep short hair, and indeed nazirites were instructed to keep long hair. And even if there were, the shroud hair only goes to the shoulder. Who are you to define that as "long". The Bible doesn't have that definition.

[@serhiisietrin9314]

@@abj136 he means that having hair means having long hair

[@yoshiyahseven7677]

@@abj136 The Bible DOES have that definition. The KJV reads to POLL the hair. When one looks up the word, this word means so clip short. As to what does SHORT mean, one knows the tools used in the day to POLL hair with and the length was completed by the tool used. Hair was clipped short. It was and is an abomination for a man to wear his hair as a woman. This is not lawful. Messiah never violated the law. To grow hair long as in a Nazarite vow was the exception as the hair demonstrated the vow was still on going. No men of days old who kept the law wore their hair long like a woman. Hair was clipped short like clipping a sheep. Shorn short toward the skin. The answer to WHAT IS POLLED as in length is in the definition of the Hebrew word. As to putting forth many words or that I do not understand I understand ALL THE LAWS and live by them. You do not. You still profane Yahweh's name by calling Him god. This latter word is translated from EL which is the word that replaced Yahweh's name in the BIble. EL is the father god of the Canaanites. Every reference book on Earth states what I just told you. I know the law well, and you violate it.

[@yoshiyahseven7677]

@@abeliop.3680 I must ask, WHAT ABOUT GIDEON?

[@sanjosemike3137]

I believe it is possible to recreate the 3D image on an 8’ “shroud.” There are some substantial technical problems that must be addressed. A laser “dolly” would have to be constructed that approximated a skeletal structure. The small size battery operated lasers would be attached to the frame at numerous points. Each would have to be separately tuned in output and exposure time. Laser crystals are notoriously unreliable and require hand tuning for accuracy. That is why QUALITY lasers cannot be mass produced. I would assume that numerous “shrouds” would be incinerated in the process of tuning the lasers. In addition, you would have to block-out the devices themselves, to prevent seeing them in the image. The expertise and project itself might cost over 15 million dollars, because all of the lasers would have to be controlled through a computer. Note that this attempt would only produce a kind of “image” of the skeleton, and not inclusive of any soft tissue structures. But it would be a place to start, I would like to see such a project attempted, but I would not help fund it. Parenthetically, I am not a Christian, although I am a “believer.” Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@johnfrancis4809]

San Jose Mike good idea. 1400's forger beat you to it

[@lizlambert]

:))))

[@kbeetles]

So what would that prove exactly???

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@johnfrancis4809 The problem of forgeries is the issue of the image ONLY appearing in the most superficial fibers of the Shroud. Forgers have not yet “mastered” that skill. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@sabrinawoodard5788]

And like father Spitzer said in and other interview I saw him.. by Jewish law you don’t take the shroud out of the tomb so there is a reason why this shroud was taken and kept this is truly the face of Jesus Christ the only son of God who died on the cross for us!

[@meeksde]

I can’t wait till you people say you found his baby teeth

[@j-life8502]

You people? Some will never beleieve, it would not matter what you saw. Belief is a gift. So why even bother watching lol. Only you can ask and seek to see if God is real. If christ is real? And it won't matter if you beleieve it or that won't change the truth! Godbless from a former athiest / Buddhist. Pray you ask those questions.

[@meeksde]

@@j-life8502 Yes, you people. You people who are like those who think if it’s on the internet it must be real… in your case if it’s in the Bible it’s real. My dad once thought he saw a fairy and believed it… he had dementia so no, I believe is not a gift when not vetted with real evidence which your mythology is not. Your religious rhetoric is nothing new to me. I’ve been there, done that for years. Even in belief, no prayers were answered, no suffering relieved. And then I found your so called god was conspicuously absent and in reality nonexistent. That’s the truth that won’t change. From a once faithful christian. Think for yourself and discover how many time you people explain away your unanswered prayers and questions. Other than “it with be answered when we get to heaven” trope”.

[@eggmar5470]

Gee, if they could only get the DNA from the bloodstains , they could clone GOD in a test tube . Must be xy chromosome based . Hey , Jurassic Park Jesus !

[@serhiisietrin9314]

No, dna disintegrated, today it's impossible

[@eggmar5470]

then where is the proof ?

[@serhiisietrin9314]

@@eggmar5470 what kind of proof?

[@onlyme972]

Since when has the roman church told the truth, what happened to "no god me" and "thou shall have no craven images" ?

[@chrisguice3472]

Scripture says Jesus had hair like that of fine wool but yet the shroud shows he has long straight hair like you see in most pictures. History has proven that there were no caucasian type people in that area in the time period of Jesus. You do the research that is you are not afraid of what you will find.

[@abj136]

It says "white like wool" not "like fine wool". Rev 1:14. No caucasians? What were the Romans and Greeks? Of course they were in that area. They built empires through that region.

[@kbeetles]

Feeble try....

[@realitywins9020]

Arabs are Caucasian. Indian people are Caucasian. Caucasian doesn't mean white with blonde hair. Israel /Palestine has a similar climate to Greece and Italy so why would they look completely different?

[@eggmar5470]

This priest is a joke , right ?

[@eggmar5470]

Poor priest has eye problems . Nice guy too . Shame he's so gullible when it comes to fairy tales and lies . God bless anyway .

[@kellyvh7660]

You will truly see the truth when you die. Then it will be too late

[@eggmar5470]

It has been proven beyond any doubt the shroud was not Jesus imprint . When the catholic church lies too much it certainly loses its credibility .It should stick to commandments and beatitudes .

[@Daniel-zk4br]

Lmao it is the contrary, as you can see form the continuous research, it is, beyond any doubt, the actual shroud that covered Christ. But I guess this goes against the propaganda by some random person from neo-Sodom (America), the land where pretty much all heresies have resurfaced.

[@eggmar5470]

do you think jesus pooped on it too???

[@eggmar5470]

Stop downgrading thinking . The Shroud controversy is just a prolong farce encouraged by churches interested in 'pay as you obey' lessons from the smelly incense covered crowd of robotic sheep . Another money making, scheme like the Mandylion ho ho . If theists would cut out the bullshit they would have more healthy people in mind and body KNOWING for certain the moralistic things that they need to live by . Religions have lost TRUST by imaginations of non provable fake claims and that's what makes people say WTF .

[@mattroberti7]

Eggmar54 do you just go to religious videos and condescend them? Why don’t you spend your time researching the science to disprove religion, instead of bashing it. You’re content is weak and based off of personal whim.