FAKE Air Raid Rare Atari 2600 Crazy Auction - #CUPodcast

Pat & Ian discuss a crazy Ebay auction for a fake boxed Air Raid.
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Ebay auction: www.ebay.com.au/itm/atari-2600-AIR-RAID-GAME-CARTRIDGE-IN-BOX-/111818790477

[@LeslieMorris]

Holy fuck. The sellers live in my suburb. Should I email and see if I can come around for a look.

[@DergEnterprises]

+bmovienews You should, then report back to us please.

[@LeslieMorris]

I'm busy day but I might shoot them an emails later.

[@georgesiv2082]

+bmovienews make a yt video out of it.

[@Clay3613]

+bmovienews Did you break the cart?

[@HaythamGruxton]

bmovienews did you end up going?

[@prophismusic]

"aaahhh, I Got a dead dad or something"

[@webecomeournames]

Hilariously enough, 'cash converters' is a chain of pawn shops in Australia

[@DEFUNCTFORKS]

She updated the listing again, saying that someone came over and broke the cart XD

[@dwarfbunni]

+SHADOWFORKS if thats true thats fucking hilarious.

[@DEFUNCTFORKS]

+Art Evol Yeah, she said someone came to validify the cart, and she was like "he handled it roughly and the top broke off."

[@greentg10]

+SHADOWFORKS more like she dropped it and the elmer's glue couldn't handle the fall

[@ScenicandAdvisory]

+SHADOWFORKS Oddly there is also a listing for a Lamborghini windscreen

[@ViewpointProd]

from his own goat. baaaa

[@LukeInnes]

"Quick, Albert! Get a tent and head to the woods!" Might be my favourite #CUPodcast quote ever.

[@obsoletegeek]

lol @ the PVC pipe glued to the top of the cartridge.

[@TheYugiohCollector]

hey something was just posted by this seller:"UpdateI had a very helpful guy come over to have a look at the cartridge and I allowed him to pull it apart , The Handle Broke tho. He pointed out there is a silver sticker it says menavision , on the reverse side there is a P label which he said its pal .The cartridge has been back together minus the T handle because it snapped off. So it will now be sold with a broken handle.He also did say the T handle was not original and was probably added at sometime of its life.I have posted up a photo for all to see the card pulled apart and broken T handle

[@lqcrow]

My favorite question in that auction: "Hello I would really like to buy this game. I am a collector and would mind spending thousands, but I'm going to be in Nigeria so how much would shipping be to ship to Nigeria?"

[@Samsquamsh]

Lol was that for real?

[@matthewzepess5721]

For someone who just so happened to "Inherit" a $30,000+ game they really have a short fuse.

[@FanboyBryan]

you need to put the re-verb as well as you doing the re-verb yourself because that would be absolutely awesome and hilarious

[@stephenbianchi7141]

Total hypothetical imaginary dream land scenario: What if she is telling the truth and her dad was an Atari pirate?

[@RobotWillie]

+krull1981 Exactly what I was thinking, if in fact the daughter didn't know it was fake and the father fabricated it, she doesn't like people saying her father would try to scam people either. She think's its an insult to her dad that they would accuse such a thing. But in the end it doesn't matter since its obviously fake and has now been "broken".

[@TheInsanemonkeyboy]

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken". lmao

[@aziz_light]

I thought only New Jersey was said in reverb.

[@greybroyles4127]

+danusty ...And understand that ITS THE BEST OF CLASSIC GAME ROOM

[@iKarnageV]

+Aziz, Light! Reference understood, reference enjoyed.

[@tonyAJ420]

+Aziz, Light! Vectrex and Truxton will soon conquer the world

[@ShaunRF]

+Aziz, Light! Until the year 2084 when all words will be said in reverb.

[@totallyterrificpants6226]

There has been a seller also in Australia selling fakes of Red Sea Crossing and Gauntlet on Atari 2600 over the last few months for thousands of dollars. Red Sea is so rare they estimate only 100 were made and maybe 10 have been found and this person has sold maybe 4 in the last 3 months for on average $1000 each...

[@LetsMoba]

awesome video keep up the good work guys !! love the podcast

[@zaponline]

I don't even think the "real" box discovered 6 years ago is all that it appears to be. The whole box thing may be a hoax to get $30,000 out of a $3,000 game..

[@PatTheNESpunk]

+ZapOnlineOrg More than one have been found. The boxes are real.

[@zaponline]

While true, it could be the same producer selling in the background. Not sure if you ever read The 2600 Connection, but someone in the very early 90's wrote how the box opened like a book.

[@PatTheNESpunk]

There's absolutely no evidence to support your claim.

[@totallyterrificpants6226]

+ZapOnlineOrg The first box found, the guy found it in his attic after reading a list of the rarest video games and once the description said blue T shaped handle he knew he had it. It had an early 80's Tuesday Morning store price sticker in the corner. The second box found, this one with the manual was from a man who in the 80's worked in a phamacy which also sold games. A Men-A-Vision rep came with the game and gave him it to see if he was interested in stocking the game. He took it home and didn't like the game. He called the guy and said he wasn't interested and said he can come into the store to get his sample back. The salesman said to just keep it and how not many were interested in stocking. The man paid the store a few dollars for it since it was given to the store. He had storage cases for his games so all his games were still in their boxes when he got his old display cases out of storage after he heard about the last Air Raid sale and remembering he had the game. This one was sticker free. There are videos about both men on youtube. Both are real.

[@lynchlychfeld]

AquaDonkey69 480p And Alex Jones is actually Bill Hicks wearing a Bill Hicks mask.

[@TumblingKoala]

"extradite to Australia immediately.." lol !

[@VoidHalo]

Oh man I had a great laugh over this one. Thanks for sharing, guys.

[@YodatheJedi12]

"Cash Converters" sells second hand goods and have no way of knowing if any game is legit. "Eb games" is the Australian version of Gamespot.

[@stevai6732]

Check their feedback. She sold two cars for around 20 grand as well as plenty of other expensive items. The only negative feedback is on a Monte Carlo going for 6 grand, and she apparently backed out of the deal because the buyer was a "compulsive liar". It's possible we're honestly just dealing with an older woman who literally doesn't know any better. Seriously. You can see her in the pictures of the car that sold for 20g, by the way. I think people are being way too hard on her, but I guess the damn thing's fake. I don't know enough about the game to say. No need to send her any more shit than she's already received. What a clusterfuck, I actually feel sorry for her.

[@gozinta82]

+stevai6732 Whatever the case, sellers need to learn. If she is truly naive, then how did she jump to conclusions and attempt to sell the game for it's full price? You don't give sympathy to these people, you teach them in a way that they will never do it again. Does she realize that if that cart sold and the buyer wanted to, they could report her and she could do major prison time? Breaking the law is breaking the law.

[@neoasura]

+gozinta82 Thats half the problem right there.Ebay has focused so much on catering to the Sellers that it forgot the buyers aspect. It sounds like this broad is a scammer and knows the system...and somehow Ebay caters to her ilk?

[@gozinta82]

neoasura The thing is, she knows how old these things are, and if she is an ebay seller, she better damn well know that there are things out there worth collecting. Worth paying lots of money for. She should also know that there are scammers, shady people or just stupid people and she needs to take responsibility. If she learns anything from this (assuming she didn't know), she needs to do 5 seconds of research on her items before posting them (especially if they're 20+ years old). I just don't see how she could be a seller and know so little.

[@rogersherman3546]

+stevai6732 some of her positives are actually negative feedback if you read them, its just as a seller you need to leave positive even if you are leaving negative feedback

[@stevai6732]

+gozinta82 No one is doing prison time for selling ONE fake game on ebay. Nothing would happen. The law doesn't care to that extent over an older woman accidentally selling a fake game on ebay. It's perfectly reasonable as to why she wouldn't know it's fake. Seriously, how the hell is that so hard to understand? You think an ignorant non-gamer is going to give two shits about inspecting every single aspect of the game like finding FAKE CREASES?! Hell no, they're gonna see that they have a rare game, get real happy about the upcoming profits, AND POST IT! This has been ridiculous, I can't believe people are so shocked over this shit. Even her reactions are understandable because of all the shit people are throwing at her. The 4chan level virgin rage in her inbox is probably awe-inspiring.

[@KaroKoenich]

Oh yeah, the thread about this on AtariAge is a brilliant read. I'm having a lot of fun there.

[@LorenHelgeson]

This is gold. I hope you guys follow up in future episode.

[@arachaonaustralia4778]

cash converters is basically a pawn shop franchise, affectionately known as crime converters because there is little background check or cross checking to see if the item is stolen

[@DotGamesLive]

This story is absolutely amazing. Thank you for sharing THE SCUMBAG SELLER OF THE WEEEEEEEK eeeek eeekeek

[@grahamr6545]

Haha, in the picture with the cartridge dismantled, you can see the threads for the T joint.. :)

[@ionmyke]

IVE GOT A DEAD DAD OR SOMETHING

[@nicholasmccaskie9737]

Someone else has probably posted this but Cash Converters is a chain of pawn shops with ridiculous prices. their online store currently has a loose Super Mario Bros for $39 plus $3.50 postage AUD. While the prices on NES games are significantly higher in Australia, I think I paid $60-$70 for all three Super Mario Bros games and about $130 for Castlevania 3, I use this as a demonstration of their ridiculous pricing as I'd say $15-$25 each plus postage would be the standard for Super Mario Bros 1-3. It'd be great if at some point you guys talked about retro gaming outside the US, though I can appreciate that you might not know much about these markets.

[@totallyterrificpants6226]

+Nicholas McCaskie Cash Converters are okay rarely but almost every time their prices blow. One time I did get about 15 Atari games for $3 each and last weekend I got a Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie vinyl box set still factory sealed for $180 when on average that box is $300ish. But yeah, with Cash Converters these are one good deal every 4-5 years.

[@nicholasmccaskie9737]

+totallyterrificpants I agree. I think I got Solstice (NES) for $5 and Death by Degrees (PS2) $10 but generally, they are aweful.

[@ButteredToast32]

+Nicholas McCaskie Dang, you got ripped off for sure :/

[@totallyterrificpants6226]

WhenxChristxReturnsx A lot of people here in Australia all think old = valuable. I have seen Sonic 2 missing the manual for $50....

[@ButteredToast32]

totallyterrificpants That's insane. We sell that one for $2 at the game store I work at.

[@BunchMarketing]

This is the same type of thing scam artist Charles Band did/still does with old rare big box Wizard Video VHS tapes. He reprints the boxes and with a trained eye you can see sticker residue, crease marks, etc. from scanning the original boxes to make replicas. Then he sits there and swears they are original stock recently unearthed from a warehouse. These sorts of lowlifes affect all hobbies. They never get their stories straight and foul up eventually. Collectors know these details like their hand. We will find the truth.

[@stuartgrant8635]

best podcast yet guys.. Thank you.

[@AngryApeTV]

It really wouldn't be hard to Photoshop the creases off the box and make the colours look nice, you can also help the low dpi look a bit better pretty easy.

[@darkhalf3515]

I'd like to have a beer with Ian too. Cool, honest guy.

[@RyanMartinez]

I love how they threaten to do things that never happen nor would ever happen. "I know the president/owner/good friend of such and such and I'm a personal friend and we'll talk to our lawyers and get you sued in international court and the cyber crimes division of the local police have been contacted and Avery Ryan will be contacting you soon personally and I have a big dog that can bite hard and blahditty blah blah blah..."

[@Zach0000001]

Ebay Site: "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken." Lol, Owned.

[@jonathanrouse]

Sad that people try to trick others with false ignorance. It's good that people will call this stuff out.

[@letto18]

to Quote from the Ad: "Update I had a very helpful guy come over to have a look at the cartridge and I allowed him to pull it apart , The Handle Broke tho. He pointed out there is a silver sticker it says menavision , on the reverse side there is a P label which he said its pal . The cartridge has been put back together minus the T Handle because it snapped off. So it will now be sold with a Broken Handle. He also did say the T Handle was not original and was probably added at sometime of its life . I have posted up a photo for all to see the card pulled apart and broken T Handle"

[@jasonjlaw]

is there a link to this thread? I found that someone updated a thread about air raid from 2010

[@nationharris]

any have a link to the atariage forum post?

[@wacko316]

Just looked at this eBay listing and noticed that the word instruction has been mispelled on the manual as intruction lol. Those brackets around beta copy look familar too in their layout and lack there of.

[@DergEnterprises]

+Jack Lannigan You are very good, I had to see it again and can't believe we all missed that.

[@natedoggcata]

Ive listened to this story so many times and I laugh every time.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Man I love these stories.

[@wecameasandys]

Where did you find seller?I can not find her profile on Ebay...

[@chanceishikawa1699]

I love how scammers always threaten the people who call them out by calling the police. Like you are the one selling counterfeit copy's of games trying to pass them off as real. You would be in trouble.

[@MrSEA-ok2ll]

In like 2010, this game went for $32000 on eBay...supposed to be less than10 known if in the world. This game was an actual bootleg from Tiawan or Korea or something like that.

[@Jmiller3702]

QUICK ALBERT, GET A TENT AND HEAD TO THE WOODS!! New favorite quote.

[@bcks0071]

I have the public beta for FF11 on ps2, and it comes with a manual, normal case, artwork.

[@bcks0071]

Na man I don't live in japan. The version I have is NTSC for the FF1 beta. All in English. So weather or not FF11 came out in japan as a public beta, i have no idea. But it did come out. I wasn't enrolled in the beta program, i merely bought it on ebay.

[@Thomas__Blue]

Do a video series seller scum bag of the week please!

[@jonathanjensen5620]

Anyone know how many of these were made?

[@g10118]

An underrated classic right here 😆

[@1up17]

I just clicked on the eBay link and hit details: "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken." LOL

[@chrishesotian1364]

I LOVE scumbag seller of the week! :D favorite show thanx boys!!

[@alexriesenbeck]

It's also worth noting that he claims to have yet another copy of Air Raid according to one of his other auctions ("A: i have another boxed air raid that we found tonite my deceased father-in-law has some interesting stuff here. ")

[@michael1234252]

I just did a google search and the pic that is shown in this video looks nothing like the real cart.

[@Dewotto]

Better comedy than anything on TV!

[@DergEnterprises]

Update: 14 Nov 2015 @ 1204 hrs PST, "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken." Nice job Pat and Ian!

[@grod4willis]

@patthenespunk theres a guy on ebay selling snes multicarts advertising them as super rare and hes been getting 100$s of dollars. HE does not list that they are repros

[@MrFathead]

If you look at her selling history she sold a gold spray painted commodore 64 computer for $2550 aud. Another obvious fake. She knows what she is doing.

[@slipknotboy555]

+Mr Fathead Yep, she obviously does, it's funny that a couple people commenting seem to have bought her bullshit. And that thing about the c64 is just another piece of evidence that she's not only a scammer, but a horrible one. I sincerely doubt (hope) no one would honestly think a gold one existed and buy it (and also that they wouldn't be able to tell it was spray painted). Still, really adds to her shittiness in my eyes; I've recently gotten really interested in early 80s computers, and I think the c64 is my personal favorite.

[@metanight788]

If someone actualy buys this they're insane.

[@connorgirard583]

Just for the heck of it, I Googled the real deal. Good god the differences were immediate.

[@cardsnstuffTWO]

I just saw an update someone came to look at "Air Raid" the handle broke off.

[@emcee2k965]

The water goes down the drain in the same direction in Australia.

[@TVindustries5000]

hey you remember to add something in post!! :D Tbh alot of people do it because not everyone's gonna rewatch a vid they recorded for one lil thing that probably forgot they were gonna add in later

[@meWASHER]

Digging the Health shirt Ian!

[@hollenhammer]

This behaviour is fairly common here in Australia. Im a member of a Facebook group that shames these people so i have so much due diligence to perform any time i want to buy retro here :|

[@ScreamfreakMagicRevealed]

I remember having copies of Air Raid on multiple occasions as a kid in the 80's I hated that game. This is Crazy! Your Awesome Pat!

[@smalldickmcgee517]

cash converters is kinda like good will, they are also in New Zealand

[@lqcrow]

Now with re-verb action! Sweeeet!

[@FORMINGSHADOWS]

Love these guys hahaha

[@spikesstuff8052]

He bust the handle on it lol

[@DergEnterprises]

14 Nov 2015 @ 1148 hrs PST: Auction price, 17 bids, $1,350 AU. I also reported it as fake.

[@AlexxxPerales]

Couldnt they just sell it as scrap plastic or a paperweight? im sure some dummy would still pay alot for it.

[@Slaughterbeck16]

It sold on Dec 3rd for over $2000 and they used all the attention the internet gave it to drive it up, calling it. "infamous".

[@bobbysteurer8631]

Taking a little inspiration from an Ian quote on the latest CUP episode, I say you guys put stories like this under the umbrella of a segment called 'Bootlegs N' Bullshit.' Hey, I thought it was good. ;)

[@SDeww]

cash converters is a pawnshop but you can only sell not pawn.,,its basicly a 2ndhandstore

[@kmichael9787]

Lol, Cash Converters just buy/sell second hand junk, and have no ability to confirm the authenticity of such a rare game (or anything except maybe jewellery, I'm pretty sure, and E.B Games don't even deal with retro stuff past the last generation... Also, if the game *was* a beta (which it obviously isn't) why would it be in PAL format (which I'm assuming it is since they are selling it here)

[@kmichael9787]

+K Michael HAHAHA IT GETS BETTER "Update I had a very helpful guy come over to have a look at the cartridge and I allowed him to pull it apart , The Handle Broke tho. He pointed out there is a silver sticker it says menavision , on the reverse side there is a P label which he said its pal . The cartridge has been put back together minus the T Handle because it snapped off. So it will now be sold with a Broken Handle. He also did say the T Handle was not original and was probably added at sometime of its life . I have posted up a photo for all to see the card pulled apart and broken T Handle"

[@myopinion138]

They are locked in cabinets, And yes they do sell old retro games.

[@pika23]

Back in the day in 2000, CC had just opened up, they were selling Mario rpg for 4 dollars complete in box, and everything else, 1.99. So I ended up buying a huge bulk of their stuff every week...and got my ps2 for half off at funcoland that launch week. Basically because I really wanted to keep lots of games.too. and I wanted lunar 2 eternal blue my cash converters was in brick, nj though.

[@johnny3pa95]

Hey Pat The same seller has a Lamborghini Gallardo for sale for $1000. Talk about a deal!

[@prankmonkey7]

where can I find Ian's shirt?? looks so metal...I want this lol

[@cAPSlOCKrOXX]

The seller ended the listing claiming that the cart was broken!

[@Herodanger89]

Even though i'm an Aussie i find this pretty funny. I reckon i would be considered a scam artist with how bad my punctuation is as that's something i have never been able to grasp the practice of well.

[@BuChan89]

Mad Max and the Goose are gonna go after Atari Age 😂

[@Lastseengaming]

Worst part is someone will buy it not knowing

[@clutchkman]

I kinda want that cart now.

[@slapdash26]

The grand irony will be if their repro becomes notorious enough to be sought after; I mean, there are less of these crappy copies than the real thing, and more of a story behind it...

[@richardmika2136]

was there a lucky or unlucky winner

[@SupraViperhead]

"Someone on the internet said something mean about me, take them to jail!" People are so stupid nowadays. When you go to sell something, you have to know what it is you're selling. Not JUST for the sake of the buyer, but for your own sake as well, you don't want to let some worth thousands of dollars go for $20 and people don't want to spend $100 on an Oculus Rift only to find out that it's just a pair of safety glasses duct taped to earmuffs. If she looked up the game and saw how much it was worth, she should've looked closely at the cartridge and looked up pictures to make sure they matched up and make sure nothing on the cartridge looks out of place...like that T-handle. When the SNES-CD prototype was found, many were skeptical that it was legit (myself included) and why did we? Because of shit like this. Something "rare" comes up and it turns out to be some douche bag trying to make a quick grand off of the gullibility of others.

[@neoasura]

This listing is still going and even has bids still, wtf?

[@gozinta82]

+neoasura Hipsters who still want the game

[@neoasura]

+gozinta82 Dammit, they ruined beer for me, now they want to take away my retro gaming? What next?

[@gozinta82]

neoasura Hide yo kids, hide yo wives?

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

+neoasura Illuminati confirmed.

[@CrimsonMoonM]

"My deceased father-in-law just instructed me to paint and glue together this video game and slap a printed scan of the box on the front before selling it in his will. I didn't know that it's fake!" I do disagree on one point though, if the seller immediately apologized and delisted the item after someone told them it was fake, that would be fine in my eyes. Accidents happen. It's like if I bought a figure from some scumbag at a convention and was informed that it was fake once I tried putting it up for sale. And then i would proceed to throw the thing in the trash where it belongs. Of course, their self-destructive temper tantrum removes all doubt of their standpoint in this mess.

[@SNBfilms]

The seller's only other item for sale is a "LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO WINDSCREEN GENUINE" for $1,000 lol

[@TimmiiGamingChannel]

I have one question has anyone seen a gameplay or a video of Air Raid because I wanted to know if people have the real game. Since people can say they have Air Raid but they actually don't have it or claim to have it.

[@JoshDownload]

This is absolutely amazing... I know what they're talking about in terms of "Cash Converters" and "EB Games". Cash Converters is a pawn shop and EB Games is GameStop for AUS. There are basically NO Old-School game stores in Australia. Getting it "Authenticated" is basically impossible here. They are idiotic.

[@williamburgoon1834]

that reverb was awesome lol and this game is so rare, even atari doesnt even know like wtf.

[@super256colors2]

Pat screaming YIPPEE YAY

[@krowman8458]

One of my life goals is to be one of Pat and Ian's "scumbag sellers of the week" True Story

[@ajanta7]

aw it was taken down :[

[@crumps2]

Auction cancelled a few hours later - "broken" as the reasoning LOLOL

[@logicone5667]

man i can never figure out the geometry of your room..

[@johnschultz1003]

I just read the listing and there's an update on the 12th I believe, that says someone helpful came over and was allowed to take the game apart, and the t handle snapped off. it went on to say the person pointed out that it was the original t handle to begin with. also pointing out there was a p sticker indication it was a pal version of the game and a sticker from the company. I believe it was menivision. either way sounds like they are now trying to claim ignorance of this fake

[@infinidominion]

air raid's the holy grail and et's the thornspawn chalice of atari

[@BlackStarKupo]

Nice Death Mgaic shirt Ian

[@djfurman100]

I haven't buy it yet but I do have pic of it

[@DarkRawrb]

The item isn't listed anymore because its "lost or broken" xD

[@gozinta82]

+Robert Byrne Lost in the fireplace LOL

[@mcfry13]

+Robert Byrne just click on "view original listing" and scroll down a bit. I read the whole rant. it was hilarious and the seller even admitted it was a fake handle.