Fake News vs Genuine Disagreements: What Is Faith and Saving Faith?

[@craigs4530]

I thank God for guys, it's good to know somebody knows what they're talking about and you guys know what you are talking about, praise God. I agree with you 100%.

[@48lilyofthevalley]

1 John 5:13 - 'These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW (assurance) that ye have eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God.' 2 Timothy 1:12 - 'For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I KNOW whom I have BELIEVED, and am PERSUADED that He is ABLE to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. I think this just about answers the question.

[@tableseven8133]

Bob and Shawn, thanks for bringing up that very dumb wheelbarrow with the tight rope illustration. The first time and every time after I always felt like I was missing something or I was not saved. Now to be honest, if I was being taught the wrong gospel and this wheelbarrow thing was one of those I probably was not saved back then. Now ironically that same youth/young single adult pastor that taught that wheelbarrow thing, years later after I left that church, he winds up being a special speaker at this other church I was now attending. Then I was visiting another church for the first time and guess what he was there giving that same message. You guys were the first to bring up the fallacy of that illustration, thank you so much. Now that illustration will work fine for discipleship teaching, but not for salvation for heaven the free gift is received by believing in what Christ alone did for me is the foundation, not a wobbly rope and a human asking me to trust them for the ride.

[@GNGResurrected]

A great little chat (discussion) and I concur.... God bless you's. :o)

[@savedwretch8711]

Thank you Jesus for leading me to find you guys

[@femmeduquartier]

Believing in *is* trusting. It's not believing but believing in/on which is a synonym of trusting.The trust is in the fact that it's an eternal gift that you can never lose and that only Jesus can give that provided that you trust him alone. Here is a gospel summarizing verse from the KJV, which, by the way, you guys need to stock up on. 1 John 5:11-13 King James Version (KJV) 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

[@GraceCommunityBibleChurch]

Nothing they said was wrong or contrary to I John 5:11-13. Those who believe in the name of the Son of God have eternal life, because those who believe in Jesus have Jesus. It is all about belief/faith.

[@femmeduquartier]

*It is all about belief/faith* No, it's all about believing in/believing on/faith/trust Anyway, go back and read your inferior esv.

[@GraceCommunityBibleChurch]

I don't use the ESV. They would not argue with the need to believe in or believe on Jesus. But "believe in" does not equal the word trust. The Spirit did not inspire the authors of Scripture to tell us to trust in Jesus but to believe in Him. The kjv doesn't tell you to trust in Jesus to have eternal life. It says to believe in Jesus! You seem to like adding your own opinions to the words of Scripture. Roman Catholics like Erasmus did that a lot too.

[@femmeduquartier]

πιστευων verb - present active participle - nominative singular masculine pisteuo pist-yoo'-o: to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, *to entrust* (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ) *Roman Catholics like Erasmus did that a lot too* Keep parroting this nonsense, it only shows your ignorance about Erasmus' biography. Yeah, he was so Catholic that the Roman Catholic Church actually officially declared him a heretic and banned his books. He's so Catholic that none of the modern translations supported and financed by the Catholic church use his TR. Oh yeah, he's so Catholic. I mean, wasn't William Tyndale also a Catholic since he never officially left the Catholic Church? You're so intellectually honest! Besides, even if Erasmus were only a Catholic reprobate so what? Is God unable to use sinful people to preserve his Word? Has there ever been a sinless person handling the Bible? But you losers will jump to any argument to discredit the KJV wont you?

[@eternalsecurity5355]

Femmeduquartier For what reason will Jesus let you into heaven and not send you to hell?

[@skytrooper506]

I find it insulting that this is placed in the comedy category. Is that KZbin's doing? I love you guys, keep up the great work.

[@hunterhestekin7420]

These guys are the best!!!

[@johndodson8464]

The last chapter in Clark's book talked about the saving proposition.

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Faith is simply belief, there are not two kinds of faith

[@2Chronicles714_]

We are saved by grace through repentance which is the consequence of faith.

[@pkrockin3923]

@@2Chronicles714_ here you are again spouting your subtle faith+works for salvation heresy

[@anthonycarbonaro7890]

Very excellent presentation!!

[@jimkraft9445]

Amen Bros. Saving faith is faith alone apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 You can not boast in free. Romans 3:26-28 Trusting in works is not faith. Matthew 7:21-23 They never did the will of His Father in Heaven. John 6:40 and John 6:29. John 6:47. If it is not free, then it is not salvation by grace. Romans 11:6 You can not add works to grace. Either Jesus paid it all or just part. We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. Romans 4:5 Faith alone. Romans 4:6-8. Our sin debt is paid in full, and we can no longer be condemned. John 3:18. We can be chastened by the Lord and lose our rewards in heaven, but not the free gift of eternal life that Jesus paid for with His own blood sacrifice for all sin to them that ONCE believed. Second Timothy 2:13. Whether we keep the faith or not. If we keep the faith we will have a reward.

[@jimkraft9445]

Lordship salvation is salvation by works. Salvation by works never works. Faith alone apart from works. There is a U-tube by IAMSaintJay that agrees with you and with the bible. We believe what the BIBLE says, not false teachers who preach salvation by works. Hundreds of verses in the bible that the promises of God are true. To say different is to call God a liar. John 6:47 First John 5:13. Saving faith is faith alone apart from any works. Love you guys. Even if one of you is not a star basket ball player. LOL

[@markhall6306]

Amen no one is righteous not one only God

[@2Chronicles714_]

Those who Jesus knows will obey him rather than pretend obedience is works. Matthew 7:21-23 John 3:19-21,36 Etc.

[@jimkraft9445]

Obedience is to do the will of His Father in heaven. John 6:40. And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:29. Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. John 3:16-18. First John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Romans 4:5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:6 Just as David describeth the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness APART FROM WORKS. BLessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. The gospel we believe. First Corinthians 15:1-4. That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the POWER of God unto salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Galatians 1:6-9. Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, LET THEM BE ACCURSED. As we said before, so say I again, it any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received from us, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@jimkraft9445 IF YOU DON'T OBEY YOU DON'T BELIEVE. Luke 6:46-49 AND WHY CALL YE ME, LORD, LORD, AND DO NOT THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? 47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. THERE ARE NO PROMISES FOR THOSE WHO HEAR ONLY BUT FOR THOSE WHO LISTEN AND OBEY.

[@christiandam6803]

6:12 "the saving message is the testimony that God has given concerning His son". So Bob is saying that when someone believes the testimony (1 John 5:11) which says that Jesus has given us (all who believe what is written) eternal life then they are saved (because the "us" of the testimony to whom everlasting life is given by Jesus includes the reader that believes what is written and the unbeliever that comes to believe what he is reading)? Is all that I have written above in this comment correct?

[@nationalconservatismball7779]

I think saving faith is believing that Jesus will get you to heaven. Having faith in him as your savior. I think trust and faith are also synonyms Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy spirit of promise

[@allenbrininstool7558]

If trust is confidence, the I agree

[@michaelsinger2921]

The phrase "ye also trusted" is not in the original Greek, so Eph. 1:13 may not be the most supportive text for that position, tho I do agree that faith involves an element of trust in the proposition we are called upon to believe. James 2:19 speaks to that point. Blessings!

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

I take a classic Free Grace position on the natirre of saving faith with salvation having a subjective as well as an objective component. However, I do think you boys snd the GES are often unfairly misrepresented. Find a lot of your resources really helpful and consider you beloved brethren in the Lord.

[@nicolas9533]

faith = trust : it is interchangeable. faith in Christ's work = trust Christ did it. trust doesn't necessarily has an action component. In fact, in french, _'trust'_ comes from the root _'fide'!_ (trust = confiance (from latin _'confidere'_)) _'saving faith'_ is a tool of the devil to imply there is a _'simpler faith'_ in Christ's work that doesn't save.

[@nicolas9533]

@alvinfen4511 *"Saving faith is in the saving proposition it’s not some kind of special faith. Faith is not a decision one makes. One cannot decide to believe something they’re not persuaded is true. But if they’re persuaded it’s true they have already believed it."* *THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE* So it's not another type of faith, but there is a DIFFERENCE from normal faith ... so it's equal and different at the same time? which one is it? is normal faith and saving faith equal or different? and what is normal faith for you? (i.e the faith that doesn't save, since you separate it from saving faith by calling it different) faith is binary, it's not - 0: no faith - 0.5: faith - 1.0: saving faith.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Jesus never once said Trust in Me for the forgiveness of sins. He said Repent for the forgiveness of sins as did Peter and Paul

[@nicolas9533]

@@2Chronicles714_ *"Jesus never once said Trust in Me for the forgiveness of sins"* Of course he did, multiple times. like here: *John 3:16* _"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."_ Trust and believe are the same word, one with latin root, one with germanic root. _"Oh! he didn't say forgiveness of sins but having eternal life!!"_ ... how do you think you get eternal life? by having your sins forgiven. And the word _"repentance"_ needs a context, or it just means _"a change of mind about something"_ Repent in *Acts 2:38* is repentance from unbelief in Christ, as explained in the paragraphs above verse 38. And repenting from unbelief in christ means ... believing in christ. Don't be that fool who never watch the context, and see repentance of sins each time they see repent, or water baptism when they see baptism ... etc

[@ashtonmmton1554]

​@@2Chronicles714_ you need to stay out of the comments bro.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@ashtonmmton1554 Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

[@tjepting1]

Trust and Believe to me are the same. Everyone in Christendom believes Jesus died and rose again to pay for sin, and that He promises eternal life. I trust in that promise, or believe in that promise. They are synonyms.

[@salvationsecured5494]

You guys should include the transcript with your videos.

[@AlexAlex-ij3mz]

Is it just me in the comment section or have other people heard from different teachers that you need to have some supernatural godly sorrow or some deep feeling from the Holy Spirit to know that you are saved or to be saved and then you expect the feeling to come but never get it?

[@jeremysparks793]

Felt exactly the same way

[@jaydubya7012]

When the leper was told to go wash in the river 7 times to be made clean, was he clean before he went to the river or after he showed faith by going and washing in the river ?

[@ryanbagwell7714]

That was in the old test

[@bradmccoy7996]

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control…” Those who are in Christ are distinguished from unbelievers in that they have been gifted with the Holy Spirit, enabling them to bear fruit. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these.

[@trevorbittner288]

Bob, what Bible are you using? It looks like a large print. Do you have a recommendation for a durable and lasting NKJV?

[@hunterhestekin7420]

Be careful with the NKJV my friend! Check out 2 Corinthians 2:15, the KJV says "are saved" but the NKJV says "are being saved" trying to make salvation a process. Or also check out Corinthians 1:18 Hebrews 10:14 Matthew 7:14 tries to say that salvation is difficult and not a free gift! There's a lot of unnecessary changes and I find that it's trying to take away from the Godhood of Jesus Christ!!! Tons of changes! I recommend a KJV! Please check out KJV vs NKJV comparisons on kjvjon's channel!!! I was frustrated to find out my NKJV Bible is lying to me about scriptures!!!!! I don't want that to happen to others!

[@trevorbittner288]

@@hunterhestekin7420 Thank you for the help / advice.

[@timothy4557]

​@Hunter Hestekin "Salvation" is ; 1.Past completed act-Eph.2:8,9. 2. A present continuous work 1 Cor.1:18 and 3. A future inherited possession Heb.1:14;1 Pet.1:9; Rom.13:11.

[@SammyVox]

If you love me obey my commandments.

[@Shadowplaying]

What are the commandments?

[@konkoor881]

@@Shadowplayingto love one another

[@Rundu1987]

Please put up more videos Bob. Love your stuff!

[@paulmcarthur4053]

Microphones. Yay.

[@paulmcarthur4053]

Question. John 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Jesus did this after saying ye must be born again. Where, in the old testament, is the concept, ye must be born again?

[@michaelsinger2921]

I would start with Ezek. 36:24-27. Blessings!

[@joycethompson4772]

So....what were you supposed to say to the man that asked about his drinking? Don't worry about it? You could have told him that God will convict him about it. Aren't we supposed to live right so we can have reward at the judgment seat?

[@dirtypatwalsh]

God would discipline him as a son in this life. Even if it means taking him home early.

[@errettungdurchglauben-fait1850]

I think it is absolutely possible to believe that Jesus died for your sins, to accept that as true, but to not trust in it aka not WANTING to get saved... I think this may be a strange, but possible thing; that people get convicted of their sins, but choose (with their free will) not to get saved aka not to trust in Jesus for Salvation. This would be the case with every works salvationist. They have all the information right, yet they did not accept Salvation by Faith Alone; aka trusting in Christ alone. The notion of TRUST in important. BELIEVE ON Jesus means to trust in Jesus for Eternal Life. Also Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:13: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation..." TRUST is BELIEVING IN Jesus.

[@murraylloyd6011]

You must believe that by believing the gospel you are saved. (The promise) Or one can believe in the gospel Jesus died for our sin , rose again but not believe it saved you, without good works? So they have not believed the promise.

[@johnellis7614]

When we are chosen, before anything else, we are given a grateful good nature. Then comes faith which is actually gratitude, and a desire to do only good and beneficial things. And so, if your not doing good works and your still doing sin, what more can I say?

[@rightdoctrine3922]

THE GIVER and HIS GIFT -- The Holy Spirit is God(Jehovah) our Creator(Elohim). The God and the Father of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the offspring of God, only begotten, physically, by Divine conception of God, the Giver; Holy Spirit! God's gift is holy spirit, which is power from on high. We are baptized by this gift from God, the Giver. "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Luke 24:49. "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." Acts 1:4-5. "endued with power from on high" Luke 24:49. EQUALS "the promise of the Father" Acts 1:4. EQUALS "ye shall be baptized with the holy spirit" Acts 1:5. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8. "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1-4. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." Acts 2:38-39. Ask questions, that you may understand these truths much better.

[@rightdoctrine3922]

What Is the New Birth? Throughout Scripture, there are many analogies between things in the natural realm and corresponding things in the spiritual realm. God uses these to help us human beings, who do understand the natural realm, understand spiritual truth also. One such example is the idea of being "born again." Think about a normal human birth-you know, "Wa-a-a-h!" There you were, a screaming bundle of life. Why were you screaming? Because you were peeved about having to wait until later in life to get a liver? No. You "came from the factory" completely, completely complete, with everything you needed for growth perfectly packaged within you. Why then would your spiritual birth leave you lacking something necessary for you to grow to spiritual maturity, something you must acquire later on in your spiritual life? It doesn't. We will see from Scripture that at the moment you are born again, that is, born of God, you received from your heavenly Father the gift of holy spirit-all you will ever need, the fullness of God in Christ in you, God's divine nature. The first time you were born was because of a seed-one that your father gave your mother. Because of Adam's sin, it was a "corruptible" seed, that is, the life it generated will not last forever-it will eventually die. But when one is born again, he is born of incorruptible [imperishable] seed. 1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. The imperishable seed is the very life of God planted within you in the gift of holy spirit. As a Christian, you are now endued with a new, divine nature, and you have the potential to be like your Father. 2 Peter 1:2-4 (KJV) (2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, (3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: (4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. In 1 Peter 1:23, we see that one's new, spiritual birth comes via hearing and believing the Word of God. 2 Peter 1:2 and 3 speak of the "…knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" as the means by which we learn how to become partakers of the divine nature. It is in God's Word that one finds the knowledge of how to get born again. Where is this in the Word? Romans 10:8-10 (8) But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: (9) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. The "word of faith" is that Word of God one must believe in his heart if he wants to be saved. Saved from what? Death. What saves you from death? Life. How do you get life? Birth. Thus we see that to be "saved" is the same as to be born again. Simple, huh? Let's allow another section of Scripture to clarify just what it means to be "saved." Note the "liquid" terminology. Titus 3:5 and 6 (Amplified Bible [AMP]) (5) He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but because of His own pity and mercy, by [the] cleansing [bath] of the new birth (regeneration) and renewing of the Holy Spirit [no article "the," read "holy spirit"], (6) Which He poured out [so] richly upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior. In these verses, we can clearly see that to be "saved" (from death) is to be born again and simultaneously receive new life in the gift of holy spirit. In the words "cleansing [bath]" and "poured out," we see the liquid analogy-the reason why we call God's divine deposit within us a "liquid asset." The word "richly" indicates that God did not hold back anything when He gave us the gift of holy spirit. Three great statements of the Lord Jesus Christ's goodness follow the formula for salvation in Romans 10:9 and 10. Romans 10:11-13 (11) As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame. (12) For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, (13) for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." If you needed financial help, would you ask a poor man or a rich man? A poor man might desire to help you, but he would lack the means. A rich man has the means to help, if he wills to do so. The Lord Jesus became poor by giving his life for us, and God raised him from the dead to the riches of a limitless inheritance (Heb. 1:4). That is why he is rich unto all who call on him. He gives a gift to each one. This gift is the holy spirit that Jesus received from God, and gives to each person who believes in him as Lord. The first time that the exalted Lord Jesus did this was on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:33). This gift of holy spirit is the "earnest" (Eph. 1:14 - KJV), or guarantee, that your "earthen vessel" will, at his appearing, be replaced by a perfect body like the Lord's.

[@chrisstevens1156]

Ok let's say someone says "I believe in Jesus Christ and also that I have eternal life but I watch porn and have no desire to stop." "Am I saved" What would anybody reading this say?

[@Ethan_Click]

Chris Stevens Yes they would still be saved, because ‘not watching porn’ isn’t a requirement to be saved. Believing is the only requirement. That being said, when you believe in Free Grace Theology, it helps you get out of the trenches of sin much better than Lordship Salvation (slave-ation) lol. I have experienced much liberation in my walk with God because of Free Grace Theology. Sin always had a better hold on me back when I was still all about ‘making Jesus the Lord of my life’ but now I’m FREE praise God

[@gregorylatta8159]

Why do you use hypotheticals unless you are guilty of the same?

[@chrisstevens1156]

@@gregorylatta8159 I am not guilty of the same . Since this post I have settled in conditional security. That some sins do lead to death and others don't. Do you hold to free grace ?

[@gregorylatta8159]

@@chrisstevens1156 I hold that I have been covered by the blood of Jesus for all my sin. This does not give me a right to disobey God. If I do disobey him he chastises me but still loves me like a parent loves a child. I try not to take his grace for granted but I do know that I didn't do anything to deserve it. So I don't think I can lose my salvation for any specific sin. If that is what you call free grace then so be it.

[@gregorylatta8159]

@@chrisstevens1156 what do you mean lead to death spirit or body?

[@Liminalplace1]

I like what they say...though i do seriously wonder why they cling to the KJV bible translation of zoe aeon as "everlasting life" when all modern translations translate it "eternal life" . There is a difference in meanings though i dont think the translators of the KJV bible necessarily thougbt so. Eternal life is the quality of life from the age to come.. the eternity.... received now. Everlasting life is a life tbat doesnt end. Different meanings. So why do they continue to use it without a defense of translating it that way.

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Zoe is spirit, spiritual life is God’s spirit in you which is eternal or everlasting

[@ashtonmmton1554]

Because everlasting life means death will never happen to you. That is the second death. Yes the flesh will still die but your soul will not which is what everlasting/eternal life is talking about. Same thing

[@Liminalplace1]

@@ashtonmmton1554 that isn't the biblical concept.. that idea is more in line with Greek Platonic philosophy than the Jewish concept of bodily resurrection. The human flesh of our bodies will live forever Eternal life is bodily resurrection ultimately..but it's experienced NOW as an interactive relationship with God

[@ashtonmmton1554]

@@Liminalplace1 our human flesh will not live forever so that is wrong.

[@Liminalplace1]

@@ashtonmmton1554 "Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the REDEMPTION of our BODIES. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently".Romans 8. Likewise Daniel 12:3 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. The Christian hope and ultimate salvation is bodily resurrection. . It is what is meant by eternal life ultimately. The immortality of the human soul was a pagan Greek idea...not from a Jewish background Romans 8:11 "And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead (his human flesh) is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give (future tense) life to your MORTAL BODIES because of his Spirit who lives in you

[@AnimatedBibleandTheology]

GES is spot on when it comes to defining the words faith and believe, but their idea of the content of saving faith is misleading and does not align with the Gospel of John. For starters just use a simple lexicon like the BDAG to define Christ or just google it for that matter. GES tries to convince their readers they are very biblical with their unique definition of the Christ in the gospel of John when really they are forcing their theology on the text so they can stand out from Catholics, Calvinist, Arminians, etc. They seem to pride themselves in being in different that’s for sure. Also, I’m shocked at how poorly they misrepresents some other free gracers in this video. A lot more could be said, and I’ll be discussing much of this in a video intend to release in the next few months. GES knows the others views yet they fail to represent them fairly. They don’t like it when ppl do it to them, so don’t do it to others.

[@stephengreen2898]

Animated Bible and Theology found your scroll down comments ... Glad you posted them... And I think you know that I disagree with you about their statements... They probably could spend at least a video expanding and talking about those in the free grace that disagree with them about this or that... You would be one of those they could list as a free Grace type person who has a more Hullinger view of John... etc However, the point of these videos is not to cover your DUMLT but their own... Ha

[@stephengreen2898]

GES seems to differentiate between “faith” and “saving faith” as being what the object of the faith is... Maybe? Much faith (which all Homo sapiens have... all humans are convinced of something or someone? as true. Many have faith or are convinced that something is true or correct THAT IS NOT CORRECT.... Bob Wilken seems to identify that as a “false faith”. ... I think I am understanding what he just said?? You seem clear that Bob & Shawn do not agree with you about “the content??” Of saving faith... I think, since I have known you for sometime, that you both center that “content” on Jesus the Historical Christ??? Your ideas are really good and deserve to be heard and thought through and dialogued among all orthodox “believers” in Jesus and His promise... I hope you will take Jody Dillow and sit down with Bob & Shawn and enjoy your different ideas of the “one interpretation” of each passage of scripture.... And I think a competent to counsel and communicate biblicist like Larry Crabb or a great secular humanist atheist like Carl Rodgers (who is dead) could objectively insure that all parities actually hear and understand the other’s perspectives... Keep ALL Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar would be Nouthetic Jay Adams counselors OUT OF THE ROOM!.... ha Most good counselors can tell when good communication is taking place .... And THEY are not to be depended on for Hermeneutical advice!...maybe??

[@TheSwatmachine]

You never clearly state what the proposition is that one must believe. What exactly is it? Is it not the GOSPEL that Paul preached? (1Corinthians 5:1-4). If it is this Gospel, as Paul states it is, then what is Paul talking about when he says "if you BELIEVE IN VAIN? How is someones belief VAIN according to you?

[@JESUS-LORD147]

who put this video in the COMEDY category anyway?

[@martinea199]

And what if someone says I believe the gospel and I know it’s true I just don’t care. Believing someone exists and acknowledging certain facts about the person’s life is there a difference between “believing in” and “believing that”. i.e I believe that Joe Biden is real but I don’t believe in Joe Biden.

[@jedthomas3037]

Why don’t you guys use kjv?

[@femmeduquartier]

Because, I guess, bible college has made them soft are liberal.

[@femmeduquartier]

@Grace A literal translation is not a translation it's Google translate.

[@golightly5121]

Yes, the Textus Receptus is the original. The critical text is from corruption.

[@GraceCommunityBibleChurch]

There is nothing original about the TR. There were thousands of Greek/Hebrew manuscripts before with minor differences and variants. Picking the TR as the original is simply picking the most popular as the original. God doesn't normally pick what man deems to be the most popular.

[@golightly5121]

Shawn Wilson: Did God lose the originals? Not preserve them without error, for us to depend on completely? If not, where do you find them?

[@lettherebelight1492]

Daniel 12: 4 and 9. The book of Daniel is still SEALED and will remain Sealed until " the time of the end ". Rev. 10: 2 . The book of Daniel UNSEALED. The little book is the Book of Daniel. The Angel in this verse is Yahshua. Bless you.

[@chrisjones2458]

Once again, void of the actual gospel.

[@VICMORROWFAN]

Chris Jones once again another unsaved devil going to Hell .

[@eddiebaker3267]

Call me crazy, I wasn't expecting a gospel presentation in this video, based on the title.

[@lettherebelight1492]

Yahweh holds all the atoms in the universe together with HIS POWER. On the LAST day Yahweh will let go of all the atoms of the universe and the corruptible universe will cease to exist and THEN Yahweh's Everlasting Incorruptible Kingdom will continue. Before Gen. 1: 1 There was Yahweh's Everlasting Incorruptible Kingdom. Rev. 20: 7 - 15 is the LAST day. Judgment day. LAST day means LAST day. There are NO days after the LAST day. John 6: 39, 40, 44, 54. These scriptures talk about the LAST day. May Yahweh bless you.

[@johnellis7614]

The chosen are saved from sin by the free gift of a grateful nature. Nothing more. Actually, gratitude and faith are one and the same thing. SALVATION BY GOD ALONE ● Homeless too dumb to know God, they too are saved: "Lord, when did I feed you..." ● Most of the chosen few, they are given a grateful nature and saved at birth. ● The chosen are saved from sin by the free gifts of both a grateful nature and faith. ● Less then 5% of humanity has ever gained salvation. For earth is the realm of sin.