FAKE OR FORTUNE SE2EO3 EDGAR DEGAS

[@conor0044]

Found this painting more pleasing than it's same sized 'sister' in the gallery

[@lo2740]

well, you have no culture and no taste then, because this small work is quite crappy, contrary to the one in the gallery.

[@andreaandrea6716]

Thank you so much for posting these. They are WONDERFUL and I enjoy Fiona, Philip, Bendor and all the other specialists who contribute. This show is so well made and such a respite from the endless staple diet of murder and mayhem that the world-entertainment-heads serve up ad nauseam.

[@thingsthatstopyoudreaming5837]

It sold for 388 thousand pounds so after auction fees and tax should have about 250 grand left, not so bad :)

[@fareshajjar1208]

No one wants to mention that the painting is ugly and the only reason it is loved is because it is signed by Degas, a legendary painter. If it were by an unknown painter, you couldn't get $10 for it.

[@darklymoonlit]

It was just fascinating how the pose was so immediately and decisively identified as being from Giselle.

[@favouritemoon4133]

I loved that too, and yet it was not even remarked upon!

[@paracleteconsult8677]

@@favouritemoon4133 No one remarks when the Surgeon General, for example, cites zoonosis as the cause of a new human disease. It's what's expected of experts. A pat on the back for knowing their work would be patronising if anything. My 2 cents. Still impressive though.

[@crescentmoonchild4031]

That whole scene was my favorite….love the ballet

[@eveningstar1]

@@favouritemoon4133 yes! thought that was amazing.

[@Songbirdstress]

Actually, she was wrong, it was The Tempest, the costume was very clear in the Berlin version. It's not actually a very unusual pose. Guy who said it was is talking through his behind.

[@mygoditsfullofstars9148]

The scene at the end of the two lads strolling off through the London streets with half a million quid in a brown paper package nearly made me faint.

[@WATCH-IT-BUSTER]

Here in Toronto, many years ago, there was a news story about a 16 year old music student who forgot him BORROWED $1,000,000 violin on the bus.😮😮😮😮

[@laurelshugars2866]

I loved that closing scene...

[@JNL76]

I often think that in this program! The other day I was rewatching the Rembrandt episode and it was wild to see Fiona drinking coffee besides a possible Rembrandt, I was at the edge of my seat hahaha. Actually, I suppose that for certain shots they use fakes, don't you?

[@Dizzyfingers2]

Degas could literally come back from the dead and say: "Yes, I painted that ... " and these pompous asses would still say: "Prove it" ...

[@varuna6089]

Agreed. The trouble these days is that art is not about beauty anymore. It's all about the status and the price tag attached to a piece of art.

[@MichaelandCathy1999]

This series is phenomenal, I’ve learned so much from the fantastic information and the digging through history and background checks, Bravo !🇨🇦

[@PhotoBrad]

This series is one of the best I've ever seen on television. Without giving anything away about the conclusion in this episode, I have to say I was completely surprised.

[@chattykathie7129]

I will be surprised if it is a Degas, after watching for just a few moments, so it will be interesting to see the out come.

[@chattykathie7129]

I am glad to be wrong in my first impression.

[@HaploBartow]

Spoilers...

[@georgeguzzardo1053]

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[@arelidelong1188]

I was very surprised too, because is something about it that didn't look very well acomplished, but I'm glad for the owner and his family!

[@ginacrusco234]

This was a thrilling episode. I remember seeing a Degas retrospective at the Met years ago, and being shocked at the weak drafting of some of the lesser works. Evenness of quality was not his forte.

[@jeremypearson6852]

I think a lot of the thanks goes to BBC researches behind the scenes and the experts and museums that graciously gave of their time to make it happen. Nice to see a happy ending.

[@jhunifiedwithlove9750]

Fiona’s and Philip’s reactions were heartwarming and solid and passionate 👼🙏🏽🥰🥂

[@classicalaid1]

The ballet girls in those days, known at 'the rats' were often from dreadful backgrounds. It was either the ballet or the back alleys of Paris at night. And the ballet masters would cane the girls legs into submission. Fortunately dance is more humane these days...and legitimate as a career.

[@Tina06019]

I like Patrick's little "Danseuse en Bleu" better than the one in the German museum. It's a charming little picture.

The one in the German museum looks like a preparatory paint sketch IMO. Great works!

[@AndreaEssEmm]

Tina I like Patrick’s painting, too. I like the “dreamy” quality of it, if that makes sense.

[@MikeNewland]

Yes dead right Francisco!@

[@2Btoobee]

Yup, it has more life for me too. The brightness gives this calming bright sensation. The one in the German museum looks quite dark, maybe Degas wanted to make similar paintings with different effect in tje viewer. It's understandable if the art dealer didn't sold it because he wanted to keep it as his own compared to the other one.

[@nbcosta]

@@2Btoobee You are mixing, the dark one is his, the german is brighter. I prefer the darker one.

[@dh9975]

I literally cried when they read the letter from Paris. I never thought I would be this invested in this episode.

[@cwbrooks5329]

Haha. So happy to read this. I burst into tears. Glad to know I'm not insane.

[@Annie1962]

Such good news for both of them

[@henniebogan1966]

I just about cried as well. These are the best shows!!!

[@GBoz94]

I cried too 😂

[@myou004]

To an art collector, a shit painting by a genius is magical. To an art lover, it's just a shit painting.

[@didierduplenne2325]

The ballet dancer at the Opera is now actually a Danseuse Étoile (prima ballerina) at the Opera de Paris : Léonore Baulac !

[@davidroosa4561]

shes great!!!!

[@tinkeringinthailand8147]

It would be interesting to know how much the painting was subsequently sold for.

[@bobsuruncle2088]

Then he walks down the road with it under his arm...

[@Amy_na89]

half a mil walking down the streets unbothered

[@olivierbolton8683]

haha...Brinks van was just round the corner...

[@CallieMasters5000]

A good comedy sketch would be if the old man dropped it in a puddle or it got stolen by a bike messenger! 😁

[@brunoav6999]

Have to look inconspicuous. Never know who's watching people walking out of art gallery aka bank $$$

[@cristina-carmenstanca8086]

It's very sad that a painting is "excellent" only if it's by a renowned artist. It has not intrinsec value and that tells a lot about the art market. "A rose is still a rose..."

[@Dr10Jeeps]

I love this series. I can't get enough of it.

[@smoothmicra]

I'm not really an arty farty type, but I find these episodes fascinating. It is not about appreciation of the subject, more about provenance and kerching!$$$$$

[@team3383]

100% correct there mate. Same here. Wouldn't bother much about the stuff, but am fascinated (like everybody else) about the kind of money these things bring in. They always say that it's not to do about the money ... LOL. Why bother then ?

[@andreaandrea6716]

@@team3383 EEEEUUUUWWW!!!

[@conniemartin4878]

I love this series. But come on, at 27:05 Fiona is saying what a perfect match the dancer's pose is with the dancer's in the painting, and that's rubbish. The painting's dancer is not bending at the waist AT ALL, and the live dancer is bending beautifully and naturally at the waist. The painting's dancer has her right arm covering part of her face in a very awkward angle, and the live dancer is MUCH more properly upright, so that her arm does not cover her face. I call foul.

[@reasonablyserious]

I actually read the title as "fake or furniture" -- I should really go to bed now.

[@Hypatia4242]

That would be an interesting show.

[@bigbearfuzzums7027]

Is it Ikea or no...so many customized out of particle board theirs no at to tell! Damn forgers!

[@oussisaho208]

Gone to bed yet?

[@SleutherStrode]

if you think Moggy should be PM you would be better off going to bed permanently you melt...

[@KimCantSwim]

hahahaha i hate you

[@yvonneheald3616]

Bruce is there solely for the purposes of decoration. She knows nothing about art but is there because the bbc requires it to be the case. The programme could exsist without her inane comments.

[@arrystophanes7909]

His

[@mauricevandraanen4286]

So the owners seem to agre at the end that the painting is real and with the value they can pay of some of the family mortguage. So lets wrap it in some old piece of paper and hold it under the arm and stroll back to the parking area!

[@bellehogel8665]

When I saw the two paintings side by side and heard they had a very similar story first thing I thought was which is the real one.

[@splodge5714]

No matter who the artist not everything they do is a masterpiece.

[@arch-aidecontracting5016]

i don't know, Picasso, Matisse, Miro, Chagall, Clemente, Baselitz, Doig, these are some of my favorites and whether a drawing or a painting from any of them i don't see anything lacking the distinction of a masters hand. Tal seems to produce some borderline, almost 'too wacky' images, but on the flipside he sometimes really rocks some pieces in an incredibly cool way. But i see your point too. Even with Picasso who really had the Midas touch on everything , you can find a couple that are maybe, maybe merely platinum

[@nickfanzo]

That doesn't matter.

[@miguelecastro]

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[@SpaceLykoi]

Most master artists will keep their lesser works for their entire career, finishing and reworking pieces here-and-there, until all that's left are masterpieces, unfinished works, and sketches; lesser works by proven masters are typically considered unfinished.

[@cataliniulian9618]

you don't even know and understand the definition and concept of the word ''masterpiece'' so stop using it in this context. Just an advice

[@ernarc23]

Degas also did trace many of his compositions of dancers and did multiples of them in different colour schemes. So, it makes a lot of sense that both little compositions of dancers were early studies -- likely done around the same time -- as preparation for a larger one.

[@JCO2002]

The series is great, and I'm watching most of them as they're posted. But it seems that many of the uncertain works that are proven to be genuine are inferior to the known ones, so no surprise that there was resistance to their recognition. This one, for instance is poor compared to many of Degas' works. The value is in the provenance rather than the artistic quality.

[@vaclavslajch9879]

I agree! The quality of this painting in comparison with other Degas' paintings and drawings is indeed very very poor. The bass tops seem to be ham-fisted, obviously out of the perspective. It will even not stand as a prep cartoon for a the other painting. I would not bet my boots that this is genuine Degas. On the other hand... This show is just a reality show and its results may be fake. Just as Auction hunters, Pawn shop hunters and others.

[@AndersPuschel]

JCO2002 What Anthea Callen says as an expert in the Renoir episode of the fourth series suggests that you're right.

[@MrAnonymousRandom]

The museum's have the dibs on the best pieces.

[@JCO2002]

I think you've already answered your own question. Edit: No worries about "flee", "flea". Easy mistake to make when you're replying in haste. I do the same thing often myself.

[@johnnydtractive]

I think this makes the works more intriguing, in a way. It expands our sense of the range of Degas--that in this little work which was perhaps a study for the other finer painting, Degas was a little less refined in the way he worked, a little less studied & attentive to detail. Just the idea that this too, was how Degas worked. I think it's also significant that elements of the Danceuse Bleue were found scattered in other of his works--the 'trivial' face, for example--which means there is a dialogue among his paintings that relates very well to this particular work. Yes, it is a minor work; but it's a minor work by a major artist, which makes it a lovely & important find.

[@richardichard4237]

Just finished watching this, in Ibiza, no BBC here, or at least I don't know how to fiddle iplayer here....!? Anyway I'm quite a sensitive soul, so my 51 year old eyes are full of tears of emotion, happiness etc as I type this, which, I must assume, was the intention of the director of this episode....Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to post this, on behalf of ex-pats and uk TV fans everywhere...!! Much appreciated...more, more, and more...!! Peace. R. ( ps. Oh my goodness, there ARE more, more, and more...GREAT !!! THANK YOU AGAIN...!!! Let's hope the copyright police leave these alone !!! )

[@melvynobrien6193]

WTF?

[@bigbearfuzzums7027]

It's degas...no doubt

[@cliffmattson4719]

Male or the other side

[@crustyoldfart]

As a former would-be painter and sculptor in the 1970's, I eventually discovered that the world of fine arts is little more that a conspiracy formed between the interested parties - gallery owners, dealers, art critics, art " experts ", and forgers. Each depends upon the other and at the end of the day " truth " or genuine or fake depends on what the consensus of the Conspirators at Large dictate. The bottom feeders are the PBA'a - the Poor Bloody Artists who actually create the work and who are miserably rewarded. Every other member. once accepted by the rest makes a living by joining the conspiracy. The reason this works is that Demand is insatiable and Supply is limited. That is why the best favour a PBA can do for the CAL is to die. RIP loser ! Some of the smarter artists recognize early how the game works, and become forgers, as the only way they can fight back, and in some way use their talents to make a living. If you have talent and have no wish to enter a Faustian bargain but retain your own soul, good luck with that.

[@melware2784]

Without a dought, you are 100% correct ! its a cleverly structured scam , How can a painted piece of canvas be worth millions of pounds ? madness !

[@nickdryad]

There needs to be a resale royalty scheme that returns a share of the appreciated value to the artist.

[@crustyoldfart]

@@nickdryad Great idea ! If ever such a scheme could be implemented it would certainly set the cat among the pigeons !

[@annereidy7981]

Yes, but Contemporary art and its conceptual foundation made static art difficult to repeat and more valuable as a result, the risk, or so called entrepreneur, taker was really pushing the value up by holding the work back from public gaze so that it becomes a personal competition of ownership between the elite!

[@nickdryad]

Anne Reidy That is a crucial and excellent observation, but does it matter for the ordinary artists? If the elites push the prices up and if there is some kind of contract that ensures that the living artist or the estate of an artist is guaranteed a royalty, then that’s a good thing. In the music industry, the royalty protects the creator and ensures that an income can be derived from their work. The world of the plastic arts is different but there are some similarities, for example the artists idea and its execution is unique and it can become a commercial commodity. A reproduction of an art work results is a commercial and tradable commodity. Copyright can expire, meaning images can become part of the public domain, in the way that music and text does. Meanwhile, a living artist can benefit from the trading of their art between fetishising art dealers and speculating collectors. This scheme works brilliantly for indigenous artists as well. And of course the other benefit, directly related to the Winslow Homer incident, is that provenance can be establish right from the start. It’s the antithesis of what we expect from the dreamy artists of the world, but this barcode mentality might mean lowly artists, who do not have a big capitalist machine behind them, will be able to earn a living. Songwriters register their works not with a dealer or an A&R figure but with ASCAP or APRA thus establishing their claim before the song is a tradable commodity.

[@TheUnitedSardines]

The one in the museum seems by the fraud who created missing paintings until the real one appeared, should have checked that one

[@SoneBlink]

Not all paintings from an artist looks identical in style, artist have decades of evolution, different techniques and many factors contribute to their work. I'm sure many who have "originals" are fake and many labeled as fakes are originals. In this case i'm happy for them. If i have a degas i don't think i will sell it. What i like the most about the paint was the blue dress.

[@nancydavidson2295]

When I was little, there were copies of Degas' ballet dancers paintings on the wall of my bedroom. They had pink plastic lattice frames and fake brush stokes impressed into the cardboard backing. I knew it was a Degas the second I saw Rice's painting.

[@carlotta4th]

No offense, but a replica is not going to be a good indicator of what is actually by an artist or not. Anyone can imitate a style--it's much harder to imitate brush strokes, materials, and technique (which a print will show none of).

[@nancydavidson2295]

@@carlotta4th No offense taken. Going by gut instinct, after years of looking at a copy of a Degas. It was a print over textured cardboard that was a premium giveaway in the 60s. Obviously there is a lot more involved.

[@allisonjae3152]

It's so crazy how a painting becomes so valuable, not the quality but how old it is and who painted it. Two of my favorite paintings are the Screaming Man and The Dogs playing Poker.

[@simonpeter9683]

Would love to know how much the painting was sold for.

[@lo2740]

350K for this ugly low quality work.

[@williamwoody7607]

The episode was worthwhile just to here the handling of the face as “trivial”.

[@craigbarron3706]

Having seen many a devastating result after so much forensic work on previous episodes, to see this unexpected outcome was exciting and inspiring.

[@SantaBarbaraBiking]

I’m shocked. I would feel uneasy approving it. The granddaughter of the previous owner was convincing though for provenance.

[@annroberts5965]

How incredible. I absolutely loved this investigation into Degas beautiful dancer in blue. I can not wait to see the next mystery painting to come forth. Ann from Va. USA 🇺🇸

[@jmwbantiyan]

Great documentary. There's tears over my eyes after watching.

[@harrylen1688]

me too :)

[@TheJagjr4450]

Honestly the one in the museum is no where close to as good at depicting motion as the one the man brought in.

[@heartofroxas877]

The picture is not painted on the wood..it‘s on canvas painted. The canvas is fixed to the wood panel. It would be interesting for me if degas did it or if a restorer or gallery owner did it. I have a bigger picture in his style that is very similar.

[@johnsweeney5946]

The young photographed ballerina looks very much like a young Yevgenia Obraztsova, but I suppose the time frame is wrong and Paris is wrong. But still.

[@benediktmorak4409]

the way that the Hamburds Museum Kurator faltered and nearly stopped at the question - do you know anything about that stamp at the back of the picture-? made me wonder. For sure the museum must have take the picture - to pieces -, x rayed it, photographed, front, back, left, right and center. and every

[@redshoesgirl]

i normally like Degas, but today's painting was not very attractive. the ballerina was banal and those double basses were extraordinarily ugly. but fiona and philip were as always charming.

[@classicalaid1]

The Hamburg picture is an afterthought, a daub. Degas knocked it off for the money after the painting in question was completed, with considerable struggle. The painting in question in fact is the finer of the two images.

[@hellohellohello6847]

It sold 7 months after the show for 433000 UK Sterling

[@raymondmenz522]

There is no way Degar painted such a rubbish picture and signed it like that. I call this bullshit. Art dealers are well known for selling artworks to themselves and back to the owners.

[@drwatsonca6945]

@@raymondmenz522 it is not amazing that your opinion or my opinion does not matter in the least. As long as someone wants it then it will sell.

[@raymondmenz522]

@@drwatsonca6945 Who bought this painting - THE OWNERS? Because no one else would. This is not just a fake its a BAD FAKE. The owners have done this to create a fake market. The art dealers know its a fake. They are both in on it. FAKE PICTURE. FAKE SALE. The producers of this show are clearly producing a FAKE narrative for this program. The scientific method is to assume that something is not true then set out to prove it. NOT find cherry picked bits of info that may show its truth. If this was a good fake itr would already be on a gallery wall. FAKE OR FORTUNE IS A FAKE SHOW.

[@parthsavyasachi9348]

​@@raymondmenz522 when i visited alte Pinakothek and saw some impressionist paintings i thought they were nothing great technically. However since they were painted by these artists it doesn't change their values just because i think i could do better. Its about who painted.

[@violinhunter2]

To me, it looks fake. Like a fake Strad. The main clues are the unstructured, fuzzy scrolls, and the color of the skirt. I think it's a fake.

[@gkess7106]

41:41. The painting on the left is obviously done by a master painter. The painting on the right is obviously done by six grader trying to copy the original on the left. The painting in the museum is heavy-handed and clumsy and looks like it is made to be a replacement for the original and meant to be seen from a distance, for example as a set piece on a stage play. It reminds me of the make up worn by actors on the stage as opposed to those warn by actors in films.

[@kerryburns6041]

Artistic merit is not dependant on who painted, or signed a picture -- it just depends on the quality of the picture. If "authenticity" comes into the equation, that's the property market. A subtle but vital distinction. Imagine you are a famous painter who just finished a picture --- would you dare to leave it unsigned, to stand or fall as a picture? That's the mark of a true artist. I am an artist. I never signed my work. My work was my signature.

[@kerryburns6041]

@Topher TheTenthThank you. I wish everyone agreed -- I bought a picture in the local market last week for 12€, it's not brilliant but the colours are pleasing to my eye. It's signed by Gauguin. (So it must be genuine eh?) Famous "ART" dealers in London quietly bought lots of early works by an artist for low prices, then openly with much fanfare, one by the same artist for millions, thus establishing the artist and inflating the value of their earlier purchases. I worked for an artist who had unsold paintings in his cellar, with huge price tags on them. I thought if he felt them to be worth that much, he would have put a dust sheet over them.

[@FigaroHey]

I don't believe it's real. It looks so... boring and crummy and blobby. But I guess Degas could have a bad day?

[@pauladouglas9891]

The depiction of the dancer is crude and blurry and the bass fiddles so intrusive and out of proportion, I can see how this was initially rejected.

[@dadodydo]

It's obvious that crude painting is not a Degas. The signature too is fake. Trivial faces? Waste of time.

[@trevortaylor5501]

How come you didn't use accelerator mass spectrometer to pin point the date of the painting?

[@robcs5467]

🥰🙌🖼️🖌️🎨 * Excellent, Marvelous...Adore this work you're doing...This is a Real and perfect Art investigation ~ Greetings from New York * 💖🖼️🎨😘👌🌟

[@RedBlushGurl]

I love how they wing the painting around like a child’s colouring book. Wouldn’t catch me handling a painting like that mate 😂

[@mayennesebial3463]

Did they actually sell the painting? How much did it go for? :-)

[@TsetsiStoyanova]

She always falls in love with owners

[@varuna6089]

😂

[@yvonneheald3616]

So funny 😂

[@Slowhand871]

I am in love with her!!!

[@roschelliawilson7029]

A dealer/art critic evaluating painting he authenticated years ago as authenticate even after original is found? Who else has a dog in the fight?

[@katharper655]

Between this excellent series and art documentaries by Waldemar Januszczak and Simon Schama's Power Of Art series I can properly nourish my art addiction. Add to those Julian at Baumgartner's Restoration and I'm legitimately blissful. ADDENDUM: I find it WONDROUS that, to make a young woman quietly dazzling, all one needs must do is dress her as a BALLERINA. C'est magnifique'!

[@judyjudy51]

Having always considered Degas to be a superior draftsman, I wouldn’t have thought either works authentic

[@lo2740]

these are just crappy works indeed.

[@marquamfurniture]

This show feels scripted. Very conveniently staged. I pronounce it to be inauthentic. A little too "could be"... "couldn't be"... "could be"... "couldn't be"... just for sake of dramatic interest.

[@marquamfurniture]

@Topher TheTenth -- Sadly not listed in the Catalogue Raisonne. (You know where that leaves us, ne'c'est-pas?)

[@marquamfurniture]

@Topher TheTenth No. Actually one should see if we can find historical records of Fiona and Philip's birth. And then, if we have any luck, have documents x-rayed.

[@marquamfurniture]

@Topher TheTenth I see what you did there! Trying to suss out my politics?

[@andeepress3335]

From the first moment I just knew it wasn’t a Degas. Too many things seemed off. Well, color me embarrassed!

[@lo2740]

yes, this is very strange that this "coute" with baboon face dancer could be authenticated, very dubious.

[@jimgordon6629]

The evidence seemed markedly in favor of the authenticity of the painting. The Impressionist expert’s reservations seemed strained at best. I’m very glad common sense prevailed.

[@nelltaylor8171]

What a fantastic episode. I’m so thrilled that it was able to be authenticated. ❤

[@DC-jk9ts]

Shame to have to sell it. I don't think I could have parted with it.

[@GR-sg2lv]

The forgerer didn't trick anyone, they were all complicit. Turn a blind eye. Look the other way. Exact same situation back in 1945

[@pjlewisful]

Fascinating stuff to say the least. I love this series.

[@r.c.miller6161]

Jonathan is a lucky young man.

[@marycahill546]

Thank you for sharing this. I love these shows!

[@jonandreson54]

Brian Eno - 'Drift' 9:05 is the background music you are hearing ...from the 'Apollo' album. Just as beautiful as any Degas.

[@audreymuzingo933]

Why did the team open the letter before the clients arrived this time????

[@lynneward2471]

My favourite artist ever and such a beautiful painting and I'm learning a lot from these shows. If I have one problem would someone tell fiona Bruce stop saying fiona Bruce everyone knows her

[@rutilopata8294]

Such a wonderful story! So well directed and presented, wonder-filled colorful facts! Loved every minute! Thank you all💐✨💫🎨

[@antoniajane5442]

Great series!

[@alexsilva-vn7jc]

The son of the owner looks a lot like Degas in his twenties!

[@TheDreamtimezzz]

I wonder what the follow up is. What did eventually sell for?

[@tricia4479]

I love Degas & would love to own one of his paintings.

[@andreaandrea6716]

I'm SO PLEASED for them!!!

[@Mom_sBasement]

Billionaires getting ripped off by forgeries. I feel terrible. Just awful. Is there anywhere I can donate?

[@ce1834]

Amazing series by the BBC ❤️ noone makes shows like the British

[@richardhunter132]

can't say I was convinced this was a Degas. the drawing was horrible and the painting was just a bit coarse. if it's a Degas, it's not a very good one

[@melanies.6030]

Ha! Which one, the Rice's or the one in the German museum? (I say both!)

[@evangelist6277]

Glad to see a positive outcome as so often there are negative ones like the Lanseer "War" which I thought was the authenticator was so wrong.

[@bohemian46]

Not a particularly attractive paining to me; at best.. crude. I am very happy that it was authenticated. Great forensic work, excellent series. Very enlightening and informative.

[@harveythepooka]

I didn't like it either, the one in the museum was a little better. I liked it's colors much better and it was much less crude, but that one wasn't great either. I'm just glad they will get their money.

[@debbiebrain1659]

It would have been sad if it wasn't true..

[@gdhse3]

I've learned never to read the comment till the end of the show cuz it'll be spoiler alerts all over the place

[@amberspecter1]

Wouldn't it be fun if they found a museum piece to be fake, while doing their investigation

[@loganjohnson3589]

I sorely miss this show the up's and downs the twists and turns It was like reading a great detective novel .with Philip as the stead fast nose to the ground hound and Fiona as the optimist huntress .

[@MicaRayan]

Either way, nice ballet painting💙

[@santiagotrejo5948]

at minute 14:43 I realized that it is fake

[@AUGUSTALLEN28]

Loved this show. Wish it were still on. I've watched every episode if I could.

[@miarrem]

Look for new episodes just uploaded to you tube

[@bethbartlett5692]

I was so pleased with the finding, and felt this would be the outcome when the provenance was mirrored and then supported by the sellers family.

[@louistracy6964]

There is a Lautrec poster with double bass heads sticking up in the foreground, no?

[@janfellstrom]

Excellent research and documentary. I thought the dancer and quality of Hamburg painting did not look like Degas and was distinctly inferior.

[@doh1959]

isnt the art world strange a guy copied many forms and got them passed off as originals so is the value in the painting or the artist.its all a bit like fine wines blind fold a wine expert and half of them wouldnt know a great wine from a cheaper wine

[@guitarislife983]

create any industry - and this is what happens. Look at the utter shite tracey emin churns out. Look at half of van gogh or dali's works - they're visually kinda shit. We do it with everything - ecology (look at the billion dollar industry that is global warming; psychology etc etc - "experts" pop up everywhere - most of them aren't worth shit.. just my opinion - and everyone has a fucking opinion.

[@bobsuruncle2088]

Art is a bit like in the tale of "the emperor's new clothes" . Some people will love anything if the right people say it's art. Even if it's obviously hideous.

[@SpaceLykoi]

Brushwork is like handwriting. To me, all of those fakes look as though they were done by the same person--definitely not the real artists. But yes, the ppl who qualify themselves as experts are typically from a rich family marginally related to the art scene and desperate to be seen in such a context, and the people who make the fakes are looking to take advantage of people who do not look beyond the stylistic suggestion of a name.

[@janie7242]

How wonderful! It is a small wonder of Degas. Lovely!

[@canaandaddario1992]

The one thing that every art dealer and auction house never want to hear a wealthy client say : This painting is a counterfeit, I've been taken for a fool! FAKE OR FORTUNE

[@tonyt303]

Imagine having the Orsay to yourself like at the start of this...Bliss