Fallout 3 Cut Content: Resurrection

Episode 11 of F3 the Cutting Room Floor, an in-depth investigation into the cut content design and development of Fallout 3. In today's episode, we take an in-depth look at the cut surgery minigame, decals, parallax mapping, an early version of the AP system, expanded use of Havoc physics, 3D loading Screens, iron sights, neutral karma, an early rendering of the 10mm pistol and much more!
#Fallout, #Fallout3, #Falloutcommunity
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[@planescaped]

The surgery minigame sounds much closer tonally to Fallout 1 and 2 than the Fallout 3 we got.

[@MyArchive930]

Neutral Karma was an addition added late to development? Why am I not surprised.

[@AlchemistOfNirnroot]

It is the best karma to have though. And it would've worked nicely with morally ambiguous options during quests (where good/evil don't really apply). Shame they cut karma entirely by F4. As it's a good idea with poor execution.

[@vonfaustien3957]

@@AlchemistOfNirnroot there's a reason both 2 and vegas made Karma pointless in favor of group specific reputations.

[@ZappBranniglenn]

What would they have even added? A Third Bounty Hunter gang that hunts down the player because they don't understand their motives and can't be talked out of a fight?

[@OrgusDin]

@@_zigger_ Godd Howard can see into the hearts of men and judge them accordingly.

[@derrickmiles2153]

IDC IDC IDC

[@vahlok1426]

The surgery minigame description reminds me of a similar system in Metal Gear Solid 3, where you would perform field triage for Snake's different wound types. Things like bullets lodged in wounds, poison from snake and spider bites, and broken limbs were just a few wounds Snake could suffer, and would all need different tools/medicine or combinations of two or more. Always liked healing systems like that, so hearing that Fallout could have had one similar to it is a bit disappointing.

[@drwitchdoctor5332]

I immediately thought of MGS3's system as well. That surgery system would have been a gritty addition to Fallout 3.

[@Vault13CanteenFNV]

Yo that surgery mini game sounds badass and would be sick af for a hardcore playthrough. I definitely need a mod for that!

[@sheparedcomanderN7]

So much from Fallout 3 and NV has been lost to time. It’s actually quite sad. Versions of our beloved games that we’ll probably never get to see out side of what little remains in the files

[@TriangleCity]

Every Fallout game and probably every game ever made had great ideas that couldn't be completed for whatever reason. It's intriguing, but equally sad.

[@JuiceboxCE]

Reminds me of Halo, specifically Halo 2 and Halo 3. The cut content for those games is absolutely boggling to think about. 2 had so much ambition, the juggernaut gamemode as we know it today is nothing like it was meant to be, where you played as the fabled cut juggernaut flood and threw objects at other players, to what it is now, a player with more health. Really wish there was a movement in the game industry where developers could go back, consult original team members if not present on the modern team, and rebuild their games with cut content fully in mind

[@sentientpackofcigarettes4697]

Just like 1 and 2 so much in store but so much left out.... a shame to say the least, yet the games were a monumental mark of the genre

[@AlchemistOfNirnroot]

One idea to get around the issue with selecting enemies with so many environmental options is to use different directions for each. Like left/right on the analogue stick for enemy switching and up/down for environment (and equivalent for PC).

[@nathanlevesque7812]

I think I'd prefer to just be given a list and mouse over the one I want.

[@SToNeOwNz]

I think a priority system would fix this problem, it could even be linked to perception seeing the wood from the trees and all that.

[@Westsideaviation23]

Babe come quick more cut ✂️ content dropp

[@alexander1112000]

It just hit me how the sneak bar would have worked. You know how most of the Fallout 3 team went on to work on Skyrim? You know how the Skyrim sneak indicator uses an eye that slowly opens? I’d put money on the sneak circle starting small and growing in the same way as that eye opening in Skyrim. I guarantee it would have looked basically the same.

[@mitsota101]

"This song is currently playing in the background!" *frantically cranking my volume until his voice blows my eardrums out*

[@TriangleCity]

😂😂😂

[@tmdwu5360]

Damn boi 🤙🏻 you could probably make entirely new game from all the cut content from this franchise, also got any Oblivion stuff coming up?

[@TriangleCity]

I have an unfinished script for one, might make one soon idk

[@tmdwu5360]

@@TriangleCity i hope you do that, Oblivion is awesome, just got back into it after many years. Love me some potato IQ NPC's. :D

[@hattoripool1533]

How many of these ideas were eventually used in Fallout 4 and Fallout 76?

[@TriangleCity]

The number of cut idea from F3 that ended up in future titles is staggering

[@Zero1239.]

Will we ever be able to 1 day be able to restore most of the cut content for fallout 3 and new Vegas?

[@TriangleCity]

No sadly. I would say the majority of cut content across both games was either barely implemented or deleted.

[@DirtyGeorge]

Fallout 3 Redux?

[@lazerpeabody8062]

@@TriangleCity but that still doesn’t mean people can recreate em via partial code and concept art I hope someone finishes the healing mini game

[@TriangleCity]

@@lazerpeabody8062 It's possible, but Fallout 3's been out for over 12 years and other than TTW the modding community is kinda dead from what I understand.

[@lazerpeabody8062]

@@TriangleCity that’s so Sad I really hope the fallout 3 modding community gets better

[@chompythebeast]

*6:56* "I eat floozies like you for breakfast." Oh honey, I _really_ doubt that

[@joeypeawood4656]

The not Fortress track making it onto the vinyl is pretty cool haha

[@ashtondoublet8334]

Bro even in an interview about Fallout 3, Todd Howard is still in a green lighting filter. Also, possible controversial take but I feel Fallout 3 and New Vegas had some of the best detailed graphics in all of the games. It's just that the geometry and polygons could use some more updates. For instance I look at a tree in game and from about 10 in-game feet, it quite literally looks like a realistic dead tree texture but if I get real close that illusion goes away somewhat. Another great example is blowing off the limbs of a Protectron specifically. If you do this, just look at the hole where the head would have been, you could se so many fried circuits, wires, and other machinery. Please note that I am currently playing on a "Dell G5 15 laptop with a 15.6" FHD Display, 16GB memory, and a NVIDIA GeForce graphics card". And have not made any sort of modifications to this laptop, it has stayed the exact same ever since I got it back in June of 2022. But even when I first played Fallout 3 on my family's PS3 back in 2017, the graphics still looked so damn detailed.

[@rinoz47]

i need that surgery game!

[@ZappBranniglenn]

It's always annoying to enter VATS with melee to see 0 hit chance because you're a few inches out of range. I sure would have appreciated the ability to spend more AP walking forward rather than closing and reopening VATS. Especially back on console when the game would-half freeze every time you pressed the VATS button. I wish your first VATS strike just costed a few AP more to close the distance in these situations. That would have been a good compromise to keep VATS useful, but not bogged down by extra steps that would slow the experience.

[@raidenpz]

Then you'd be able to teleport trough impassable objects even more than now. Ask the birthday roach.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

If the minigame was reworked it could have been made way more interesting

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

if you ever want to play a mod with a sort of medical minigame that is done with different weapons/ tools consider taking a look at hideous destructor it's a doom mod but it has the most compelling bleeding mechanic, with blood being an actual resource effecting various aspects such as player stamina and the ability to aim while moving is severly hindered at low blood. it'd be facinating if someone ever got inspired to make similar mechanics for fallout.

[@Grimpy970]

I feel like I'm going crazy here. I distinctly remember being able to target mines and grenades in vats during my playthroughs of fo3, but apparently it was cut?

[@TriangleCity]

Yep it got cut, tho it's still mentioned as being possible in the collectors edition guide

[@eclipseRz]

@@TriangleCity It is seemingly possible in the game or only in the goty edition somehow? I went to look for examples of it and I saw some guy recording his tv screen shooting a grenade mid air in point lookout swamps, so unless he modded it is possible to do at least in certain versions apparently. here's vid btw kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5vad6ebmb6Mnck

[@TriangleCity]

You can target weapons, including grenades. You can't target mines, cars, etc

[@Grimpy970]

@@TriangleCity that's my bad, I included the grenades thing in my original comment. You never mentioned it in the video However, I still maintain that I remember targeting frag mines in vats. Is it possible that they had it in the 360 and then patched it later? I'm familiar with fallout's own versions of the mandella effect

[@TriangleCity]

Idk. Honestly I kinda remember targeting mines too, but maybe we're both having the mandala effect lol

[@collinchristensen7405]

Ah yes. The best Fallout game. Excellent.

[@napalmarsch]

as always creat content thanks for showing us stuff like that =)

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you for watching 💜

[@Jay-C-Bellic]

Is this about the 44 magnum under the citadel

[@MugApwool]

TC my brudda you know what I'm gonna ask you. When is the vid coming?

[@TriangleCity]

Idk bro. I'm working a lot right now, starting a family and don't have as much time for videos as I used too. Still trying to keep some semblance of momentum with shorter videos, but that doesn't leave me with as much time for 1 hour long videos. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it by the new year, but I really have no idea.

[@bquick94]

Is there a mod that turns the VATS red for enemies

[@hiltwo]

Please take my like, I already know this is going to be great :D Thank you for the content!!

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you for watching 💜💜💜

[@daskampffredchen]

The Medicine Mini Game should have been reserved for Crippled Limbs. Maybe make them harder to cripple if it slows down the game to much?

[@kyleellis1825]

Isn't that hat he said it was for? The healing part was just his assumptions.

[@sheildingepicness]

The way I just searched for this today

[@TriangleCity]

Perfection

[@jalakosh9925]

It wouldn't make sense for many barrels to be explosive, since those found in the wasteland often appear to be industrial/nuclear waste dumped by companies with zero environmental concerns.

[@TriangleCity]

I'd argue that explosive barrels in most games/films make no sense lol

[@demonspawn5164]

Realtime AP system would have been good as I suck in 3d games.

[@dphylan]

Love your stuff, man!!

[@TriangleCity]

🖤🖤🖤

[@angreydoggo4357]

"Fallout 3 is a loveletter to the earlier games" (new Vegas cultists hated that and begin endlessly typing essays why its the best, annoying other fans in the process)

[@kyleellis1825]

Those fans are the reason I shout the NV flaws anytime they poke a head up to knock 3/4.

[@ultimatestuff7111]

Bugs, lack of exploration, same problem fo3 had at start no continue after end but for some reason didn’t fix it, and the pure reliance of buying most guns and not looking. I still love nv I just think these are the flaws with it

[@current3109]

w00t

[@TriangleCity]

🙏🙏🙏

[@mzov_1724]

The surgery minigame sounds like it'd have made combat absolute ass lmao

[@cameronnorton5898]

Impartial Mediation, not meditation. Like Mediator

[@JimUK]

This game and New Vegas are more in a need of a next gen update than Fallout 4 is, it's a shame they've abandoned both titles.

[@Vault13CanteenFNV]

For real. I typically hate remasters but a remaster for FO3 & NV I would buy in a heartbeat. Bring the sprinting, gunplay, some of the weapon customization, & better resolution, graphics, and frame rate from FO4 and they'd be amazing to play today. They could bundle both together with all DLC and they'd make a lot of money

[@Sage1990x]

Good thing we have modders bringing 3 and New Vegas into Fallout 4's engine 🤩

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@Sage1990x Yes, and they'll be finished shortly after we get nuclear fusion power irl. /s

[@unoriginalperson72]

@@Vault13CanteenFNV you don't hate remasters you hate *BAD* remasters, remasters made for a quick buck or just sloppily made like rockstars "definitive edition" is an example. There are many good remasters and saying you hate remasters in general is a little ridiculous

[@diffsnicker6570]

If you've seen and or read interviews where its discussed Todd Howard makes himself clear that he will not remaster any old es or fallout games and thinks the original release is the way the game was meant to be played. People were asking for fallout 1 and 2 remasters as well as a morrowind remaster since the late 2000s

[@vladcucu9186]

The surgery aspects sound very similar to Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, which while not developed by, was published by Bethesda, and it's possible it was an inspiration.

[@ChaosZero.]

Only Bethesda could be capable to include cut content in a soundtrack vinyl.

[@TriangleCity]

Every song in F3 apparently went through multiple iterations, so I'm almost surprised there aren't more early versions in the game files

[@dan_loeb]

whever i think about fallout 3 i remember explosions sending tin cans and small objects flying around, i'm shocked they were actually trying to push the physics even further originally, it was quite crazy (for the time) how many physics objects they had.

[@unoriginalperson72]

That surgery menu sounds awesome, sure it would slow down gameplay but it's actually really cool and I hope it gets restored or added into a new game.

[@superultradeluxe_1927]

Bro seesaw and merry go round physics would have been a FUCKING game changer.

[@unoriginalperson72]

Half-life 2 did it first so they would've been called copycats

[@juliet4093]

Indeed it would have been, because physics ideally would have been applied to everything which would greatly have increased world interactivity

[@AlchemistOfNirnroot]

Were there cut plans for how karma would influence how raiders/Talon Company Mercs would interact with the PC?

[@TriangleCity]

There were. I mentioned it in the Evergreen Mills video

[@AlchemistOfNirnroot]

@@TriangleCity Knew I heard it from somewhere. More Fallout 3 vids :D

[@unoriginalperson72]

That would've been cool

[@OPTIMUSL1ME]

I always appreciate these videos and the effort you put in. This and FNV series are probably the most in depth and comprehensive documentation of cut content for these games (similar to the Cybershell Bonus videos). Also your voice inflection is very soothing.

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you so much! That means the world to me 💜

[@CV33Games]

Hearing about the cut surgery minigame made me think of Snake Eater

[@OrgusDin]

The cut spending AP to do actions outside of VATS is something I actually quite like and often mod in while playing NV, albeit with my own values for things, and not including dropping items (but I do make it cost prohibitive in AP to view the pipboy in combat for any purpose.) I think it meshes well with NV's hardcore mode (also modded to be more difficult.) I can't believe this video included Burnout 3 footage, that game was great.

[@TriangleCity]

That's really cool. Have you ever released those AP settings as a mod?

[@OrgusDin]

@@TriangleCity No it's mostly just done with other people's existing mods, a lot of it is in Stewie's Tweaks vanilla options though and easily configurable.

[@publixwhereshoppingisapleasure]

cheese

[@greeninja7293]

Thank you, TC. Very cool 👍

[@TriangleCity]

You're the best bro 🖤

[@TKsh1]

They could kept the VATS melee body parts and the stealth meter, those are solid ideas that actually work, but damn, I'm glad they actually cut things like Medicine minigame and the AP system, it feels too complex and just drags the gameplay down.

[@BronsoloTV]

Hell yeah man

[@TriangleCity]

Thanks bro 😌🖤

[@Pyromancer_]

Late Ay

[@TriangleCity]

So close haha

[@Sofus.]

I am so happy for more game lore from such a great game as Raid: Shadow Legends.

[@toxicKorgi]

(Some future cut content title ideas) Fallout Cut Content: You only save twice, Mod another day, the developer strikes back, Revengeance, License to mod, The dev who cut me, From Bethesda with love, the man with the untextured gun.

[@TriangleCity]

Good names :)))

[@hungryepicboys8895]

And here I was about to sleep

[@TriangleCity]

Wake up babe

[@gamedev3392]

love this series..

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you ❣️

[@Matt-md5yt]

Sweet

[@josephgrady2129]

Never stop making content ❤️

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you bro 💜💜💜

[@WarDogMadness]

Dam bathesda why cut the rpg elements

[@TriangleCity]

😭😭😭

[@piratavorak]

9:39 what a beautiful kill

[@TriangleCity]

Thanks bro 😌

[@tiedomi80]

Wonderful video, as always.

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you so much! 🙏🙏🙏

[@Ian_Paneque]

Huh...never expected Burnout was the inspiration from the VATS system.

[@Bcarn1998]

I really liked the hidden caution danger feature

[@oiytd5wugho]

ok, hear me out: Surgery minigame, but it's _Surgery_ the battery-powered boardgame with a sliced open vaultboy and little incandescent lightbulbs

[@oiytd5wugho]

apparently it's called _operation_ , my bad

[@TriangleCity]

Amazing lol

[@definitelynotacrab7651]

Great video, always love learning new gems about these games.

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you so much :))

[@Tripartite1937]

Been modding New Vegas like a beast recently to include all cut content, bug fixes, and performance patches. Very satisfying because it feels you're the one finishing the game for the developers. I don't use any mods which use outside or AI voice acting or any other big expansion mods which aren't lore-friendly. Only things that are found in the game files which can be easily restored like the town of Underpass, the pond in Jacobstown, and MANY cut NPC's, and etc..

[@drkalowski256]

I’m thinking of how I could use explosive barrels to my benefit. Could shoot ‘em if when raider runs by or plant a mine near one

[@LiveseyKnight]

wanna see a mod that adds the ap drain stuff back in tbh could go further and say heavy weapons drain ap when equipped and unholstered unless in power armor

[@TriangleCity]

I do too.

[@captainsinclair7954]

that last cut loading screen gives me vibes more along the lines of New Vegas' Ending Slideshow, but made for the intro sequence. If that's the case, the text might have been a separate file only activated if you select the "all dialogue subtitles" option in the game settings.

[@tobediv]

Yeah I probably would of hated that healing mini-game, Cool to see how much they were inspired by the "menu systems" of og fallout games though

[@Kn_nick]

I wonder if any mods for fnv ttw will add these back

[@METALGEARMATRIX]

Fallout 3 could have had a CURE menu?! Fuck that'd be cool

[@silverbladeTE]

Thank you! :) adore these games and yeah, they could have been even better

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you for watching 💜

[@paulraines9635]

Burnout was the only car game that I could get into.

[@pik3177]

wait how did you enable the expanded physics for the merry go arounds and see saws because i was trying to find it in the geck?

[@TriangleCity]

You don't have to enable them, those physics are just tied to unused objects. Should be able find them with the name of the merry go round and seesaws

[@republicradio431]

i never used VATS much at all

[@kyleellis1825]

I stubbornly believe you do more damage out of Vats.

[@Nikolai1939]

cutting the ironsights function is such a weird ass decision

[@Dylan90210]

Call me crazy, but for some reason I really liked the aiming in Fallout 3. I don't know why, it was just satisfying to me.

[@jbrody38]

Where do you get your background music?

[@TriangleCity]

Most of it is either from Fallout or other video game OST's, as well as a few small artists who created royalty free jams

[@vladkornienko7889]

Raid Shadow Legend cut content when?

[@TriangleCity]

Never lol

[@epikgaeymurs8244]

11:11 honestly when I play fallout 3 I really don’t feel like I need sights but I hate using the scopes

[@beairmann]

Damn I’m late! Here tho

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you for watching :)

[@tysopiccaso8711]

3:17 end of ad

[@TriangleCity]

I actually chaptered it so you can skip past it

[@devobronc]

Great content, as Always. Keep it up; We look forward to it!

[@TriangleCity]

Thank you so much Elvis! 🕶️

[@mayuthekitsune3306]

while i get why the cut the minigame but it sounds like an honestly neat idea i would like someone to try and recreate (im the kinda wierdo who would be into that), and I wished there were more ways to show off a player surgical skills in 3 and new vegas, since medicine mostly is just used to boost the power of stimpaks

[@TriangleCity]

It was definitely a cool idea. Maybe someone will restore it one day