Fallout 4 is Broken

Today we talk about the recent updates to come to Fallout 4 and discuss how these effectively broke the game for a lot of players.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Stutter Issue
04:22 - Operation Could Not Be Completed
06:56 - Mod Search Bug
07:52 - VATS Bug
08:13 - Pip-boy Crash
08:30 - The State of Mods
10:00 - Fallout London Update
Twitter: / juicehead33
Discord: / discord
Sources:
Fallout London Gameplay: / @falloutlondon
Fallout London Discord: discord.gg/GtmKaR8
Next-Gen Bugs: www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4Mods...
Bethesda Pip-boy Crash Response: / fo4_bethesda_may_be_do...
Mod Menu Load Bug: / cant_load_mod_menu
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch: www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mo...
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch UFO4P - Mod publisher confirms source of freeze/stutter/lockups in next gen update, present in UFO4P and any mod that edits NPC: / fo4_unofficial_fallout...
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch UFO4P: Mod publisher disables comments after shown video proof of issues since NEXT GEN patch. Blames reddit misinformation: / fo4_unofficial_fallout...
Glitchfinder Discovery: / l4f03qa
Buffout 4: www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mo...
Classic Holstered Weapons System: www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mo...
Extended Dialogue Interface: www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mo...
Report: Fallout London's Delay, And The Move To GOG: www.thegamer.com/fallout-lond...
Thumbnail: www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mo...
Author - Go3lin
#Fallout4 #Fallout #FalloutUpdate

[@rickinielsen1]

Pretty peak Bethesda. They suddenly have a huge boost to popularity of their IP, but they don't have any new Fallout games to capitalize on it. So they not only decide to break all mods(including the most exciting Fallout content for years) for everyone wanting to play the old game, but basically break the game entirely... "Bethesda never changes..."

[@Yueymosthated]

Starfield is their newest game

[@And_Rec]

I keep thinking they are genius of ideas and super shite at coding or writing sometime... they should just delegate it to competent people... never seen a company fail time after time at exact same things everytime

[@baldmenwin9591]

Bugthesda (Microsoft, are you listening?)

[@jessehansen10]

@@Yueymosthatedthis isn’t about starfield.

[@motherfudger6664]

@@baldmenwin9591 Microsoft don't care. They've made it apparent they're really not interested in improving the companies and IP's they bought out.

[@CrustyMusty101]

Bethesda launches broken game Modders fix game Bethesda breaks mods Bethesda happy

[@lucifer0247]

I play the Game with the new Update in Vanilla and it runs better than ever before, the little modfix regarding uncapped FPS in loadings screens does the rest. So I have a Game that runs with 60+FPS smoothly, looks a bit better then before. I am happy, I can wait for Modder to update their mods until then I have my Vanilla Run finished :)

[@justbread4570]

@@lucifer0247well its nice to see at last one person enjoying the game

[@Adr1an511]

@@lucifer0247 comment sponsored by bethesda

[@jamesknight3070]

Prior to the Update's release, set game to update only when Run. Set Steam to Offline Mode prior to Running game. Game does not update. All legacy Mods continue to run fine. (I did put the word out pre-update.)

[@stormshadov6780]

Bughesda *

[@jotheunissen9274]

Correction, Fallout 4 has always been broken Then modders tried to fix it and Bethesda broke it again

[@HunterTogata]

Even when a company has to do nothing. They cant even do that right. Its like main job is to release a brokem product and keep it broken. If it aint fix then break it is the motto

[@rondoanderson]

vanilla fo4 was perfectly playable before the update without any mods. Not like it is now.

[@jotheunissen9274]

@@rondoanderson There were a few very annoying glitches though Normally if your limb is crippled, the crippled status will disappear after a while But there was a glitch that made it so that the status remained but sleeping or a stim didn't help so you had to throw a grenade at yourself to re-cripple it and then heal with a stim Only happened a few times at the start but it was very annoying

[@marcopena5117]

​@@rondoandersonYou either have a really expensive PC or you're a liar, because I started using mods specifically because of how broken vanilla FO4 is, you couldn't walk the Freedom Trail in downtown Boston without crashing. If you're trying to flex your $5,000 PC I'm not at all impressed. I don't even understand why you people constantly defend Bugthesda to the end like this, how can you not see how broken this game is? The update was needed and unfortunately, it too was broken. "Bugthesda".

[@rondoanderson]

@@marcopena5117 I have an 8700k and a 2060 and I've been playing vanilla Fo4 for years with no major problems. Bugs of course, but nothing unexpected. I can also run Fo4 fairly decently on my laptop with a 11th gen i5 and integrated graphics If it doesn't run well lower the settings

[@thurstonaxel8505]

The fact I have to spend hours to try and find a mod, by typing specific phrases is crazy. 90% of their library gets hidden on xbox

[@antonfowler6582]

After the update I lost all my mods and even though I had about fifty according to bethesda I only have five while trying to rebuild my list I CANNOT find place anywhere 😵

[@thurstonaxel8505]

@@antonfowler6582 try looking for the mod authors name: Registrator2000

[@harrisonrobert8830]

If you're on Xbox, go to manage game and delete the mod section under save data. It should fix it believing you have more mods installed then you do.​@@antonfowler6582

[@marinewillis1202]

I gave my brother my Series S when I got an X. After the update he cant even load the game. And he has probably played 5k hours on the PS4. He ended up unplugging the S and went back to the PS4. I have had no problems on the X tho and I never had any issues on the S before either.

[@treehugger8858]

I used to overhaul my game to be winter and have an alternative start + no main quest. All of these mods disappeared from my library and aren't searchable on the mod thingy (I'm on series x). This combined with it never getting above 30 fps on my PC even without mods, and my dlc just straight up disappearing from my Xbox, I've just decided to stick to new vegas

[@EJDubbz]

Bethesda introducing itself to all those new fans from the show by breaking their game instead of just leaving it alone. Priceless.

[@deadshot4245]

Yep I knew it was coming when they announced a f4 update I was like no font you dare. But they dared

[@magnetmannenbannanen]

yes this, i tried the game again just after the show, before the "update" and it was running brilliantly. no problems at all. then i tried it after the "update" and quests do not complete, stuff like accessing computers leaves your character in a infinite walking animation that can only be exit'et by quitting the game and reloading. Doors opened by computers never open. and so on.bad bad bad....

[@Brookland-et9is]

What a classic move you would honestly think they would have left it for atleast a month to let the new players actually enjoy it. I would dare say new players gave up with fallout 4 after the first few hours

[@zometthecomet]

Game is fine to us normies who don’t use mods 😅 sooooo who’s cares

[@SavageMonkey782]

@@zometthecomet MODDERS WHO KEPT THE GAME ALIVE FOR A DECADE CARES..THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL AVAILABLE UPTO NOW.. THEY'RE THE ONE'S WHO CARED.

[@Zood94]

Update in other games : " Yeah finally some updates, bug fixes, new content, smoother experience" Update in Bethesda games : "Oh god no... please noo..."

[@kristinagraversgaard5328]

In most games with modding communities, the latter is true TBH. Everyone hates large updates, because they break mods.

[@joemedina4731]

CD Projeckt red, the creator of Stardew valley and indies made by one person like project zomboid do take a lot of time to make trial and errors and give big mod authors a preview of the update so they can work on their mod updates to release by the time the new update rolls in, sadly these are only quite a few cases that can be counted with just one hand

[@kristinagraversgaard5328]

@@joemedina4731 Paradox interactive also did it with one single update.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

@@joemedina4731 Even if they do their best to accomadate the community you'll still have plenty of great mods going abandoned because their creator moved on. Few updates are ever worth the loss.

[@slof69]

never update anything ever since 2020 every update for things these days are downgrades like gta 4 losing radio stations

[@SuperMrHiggins]

Bethesda heard Blizzard say "What, are you all too poor to own phones?" and thought "that is the best customer relations I have ever heard."

[@keepitclean8791]

Imagine waiting years for this "next gen" update just for it to be unplayable

[@MightyHorse01]

Bethesda, Bethesda never changes

[@jfkst1]

Not true. They get worse each passing year.

[@grammysworld5449]

Yet you all still play and cry

[@SolidAvenger1290]

Todd. Todd Howard Never Changes....... Todd: "It Just Works" Fallout 76: Massive shitshow for Bethesda

[@kg-4788]

Neither do the fans that keep buying the same games over and over😂

[@stormshadov6780]

Bughesda *

[@ltcinsane]

It honestly feels like most of the folks who understood the code & engine at Bethesda have move onto greener pastures.

[@enescustovic1883]

and their void was filled with... sandwich stackers 🤣

[@slof69]

no one ever did understand the engine it's always been a chaotic unoptimised mess in all of their games when mods can fix their problems with a day of work

[@anakinskywalker4596]

​@@slof69it's 100x worse now. Starfield took 8 months to get maps and interior decoration. Meanwhile fallout 4 had 3 full sized dlcs 8 months from release.

[@solitudeguard5688]

I’ve noticed VATS will now target enemies or NPCs through walls and floors. Went to the Old Church during the Railroad quest and took out some ghouls in the chapel, when using VATS it showed drummer boy through the floor…

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Holy cow.....

[@valeforedark]

Why update the game ? Mods do better

[@Acrylescent]

And we are supposed to get a new fallout game in the next year??? Bro they can’t even manage games they released near a decade ago.

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

hahahahaha

[@Santoroz]

FACTS!

[@kacamac]

They should have just stopped managing it. That's what is causing the issues.

[@Pl4sm4Ro4ch]

bumping into a car = insta death still

[@DrDizzleFrizzle]

surely nobody actually believes those dumb "leaks"

[@smiterofbarbarians4711]

They broke Skyrim too and they don't seem to even realize it.

[@EvilDaren]

Toad don't touch my Skyrim

[@Fusion05]

Especially on console. Very bug ridden

[@N7.Tenebris]

Not realize, or they don't care. I can't even access Skyrim SE's mod page on my xbox one. Just glad I have both games on my PC, because at least on there, I can disable updates, and go into the game through SKSE and F4SE if I want to play either one without any issues.

[@Bear-Knight]

Most of my problems with the update for skyrim went away when I used newer user interface overhauls. The one I was using was broken by the update

[@cb3391]

No they don't care.

[@rossmackay-williams4583]

Has it made the load screens longer or is it just me?

[@jbench2756]

my load screens are so long it makes the game unplayable, any fixes for long load times that anyone knows of?

[@bazingapuzza]

​@@jbench2756maybe don't use potato computer

[@jbench2756]

@@bazingapuzza lol 😆

[@betag24cn]

they messed uo load times, when you enter to a building or get out of thw building, is all messed up, all random

[@stpbasss3773]

On PS5 the loads are insanely short, they were way longer on ps4. Seriously though i never wait more than 5 seconds or so it's so nice.

[@zeroprime1000]

Too much work I’m just going to delete the game, Bethesda really knows how to make players scram away

[@zZiL341yRj736]

For real. Everything I had the game where I wanted it, not touch it for a few months, boot it up, something breaks.

[@jonathanfabela739]

Bethesda keeps on dropping the ball so much that I'm surprised that the community hasn't snapped at them yet

[@ahealthkit2745]

Blind faith is what makes Bethesda money.

[@RolandTHX]

Anyone that gets mad is simply called an entitled whiner by shills and sycophants. "It comes with free stuff, don't you like free stuff?! Stop being so ungrateful!"

[@M3TALG0DS]

The "Let people enjoy things" gamers aka casuals who love fortnite & CoD keep calling him goed howard still is why.

[@psychospartan3007]

@@RolandTHXidk you guys do whine about everything been playing for 300 hours since the update no issues probably forgot to download drivers is my guess.

[@RolandTHX]

@@psychospartan3007 The good ol' "Works on my machine!", bane of anyone looking for help on tech forums everywhere.

[@KaijuAKD]

It's incredible. With Bethesda you can expect the worst and still end up surprised

[@zanimus666]

They lost my trust when I went back and played daggerfal for the first time.

[@Kenfuy]

so do the mods that work after the ngu will still work with a downpatched version? obv itll depend on the mod but... i built a modpack thats pretty large to work post ngu but im getting stutters with the unofficial patch so now im debating downpatching but dont want to rebuild everything again

[@Brando216]

Bethesda is like that cat just waiting to knock the glass off the table

[@charlesslaton5924]

Bethesda is going to Bethesda. It seems like a lot of fans needed a reminder why we ALWAYS hate it when the update their games.

[@lz1088]

In conclusion… don’t update your game

[@JuiceHead3]

Not really an option for most (console) users sadly

[@TheGregGibson]

And if you do get the downgrade mod.

[@Zwackelmann173]

I switched to Fallout 4 VR. Thank God Todd forgot about this game

[@bandardantoly]

I downgraded and still am having horrible load and stuttering that I never had before. Even trying out performance mods hasn't helped.

[@christwubbles902]

Stopped updating F4 ages ago. Still praying for all the people who dont

[@Tijuanabill]

I have noticed no change in the stability of the game. It's had crashing issues for a decade prior to this patch.

[@davidscann]

Have you installed Buffout 4?

[@juanitogonzalez496]

everything my mods there when I go to gameplay when I go menu shows that message can't access my mods or anything like that

[@baldmenwin9591]

MICROSOFT - Are you paying attention?

[@maguszeal5818]

How do you know this wasn't as they wanted it. Perhaps they want you to abandon old software so you have to buy something new. But they're breaking it incrementally just to slow boil you.

[@kristinagraversgaard5328]

Microsoft are paying attention... To the ammount of money brought in by the Fallout games. Microsoft doesn’t care about you. Only profits. As seen by them closing a studio that made a GOTY, because said studio was not one of their cash cows.

[@somethingbrite8484]

Have you tried Windows 11? Microsoft ARE paying attention...AND taking notes!

[@ankkojenkohtalo]

Comforting to see that the "operation could not be completed" issue isn't affecting just me

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

For real

[@nickidog452]

Have you tried deleting your load order by going offline and opend the mod menu then reinstalled it worked for me

[@MrHolodoc]

Yup, it's broken for me too... and I'm using a PC so I don't know what to do. (I mainly use/used the Mod Tab in the Games because it seemed easier to do)

[@denzil_red]

It seems to be a deleted/missing mod that caused that. I'm on PS5 so it needed a full delete/reinstall as cant access individual game files. The Minutmen Watchtowers had been deleted/removed.

[@maverick_edc4014]

Same, I had to delete the whole game and redownload just to get mods again.

[@carlosarteaga3179]

my game freezes and crashes when i leave a building and wait for the loading screen to finish only for it to crash my game

[@jbench2756]

i have had that happen too, any fixes?

[@SirDoodicus]

This is the most “next gen” thing about the “next gen” update. The fact that nothing works.

[@klaesegret75]

BGS - We love our modding community. Also BGS - Let's break their toy.

[@hacksawDDS]

Bethesda... Bethesda never changes. Just hope they stop updating it and let us fix it, like they always do.

[@jfkst1]

I would argue they do change. Just changing for the worse.

[@G34RH34D]

Neither do the Beth fanboys that continue to subject themselves to their idiocy. I'm on LE and Fallout 3. Fck everything Bethesda made afterwards.

[@danielcorten3992]

Quick question, is there a way to stop Steam from trying to update your game? I’ve stopped it from automatically updating, but it won’t let me play it without updating.

[@AceOfBlackjack]

Theirs a mod that tricks the steam into thinking you downloaded it. Also the update, only works if you use the makeshift weapons….

[@AlbinoMothDragon]

Put steam into offline mode, then you can play without updating.

[@bradmelnyk3994]

I launch it from Nvidia experience

[@electrobob992]

I just realized... Fallout 4 was basically a combination of the Pitt DLC from Fallout 3... *Baby gets stolen.* And Fallout Tactics. Vault Zero. From Fallout Tactics *Storage place for the cryogenically frozen geniuses of the prewar*, Robots going about HELPING humans except... The brains malfunctioned. Much like in the mechanist DLC.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

Tactics gets a lot of scorn. Sure, it can be grindy and challenging if the player just wants to click to win, but it really isn't a bad game if you enjoy the original Fallout games from before the dark times, before Bethesda.

[@The_Lone_Wanderer_101]

Mods are not to blame, Bethesda forcing an unnecessary update is to blame, it should’ve been an optional update at the very least

[@michaelcondron1304]

At least the HD upgrade a few years ago was a DLC you could CHOOSE to install. All so they could delay or prevent the release of Fallout: London, a mod that probably could not have run on console... which were the only platforms to benefit from the update. Guess I get to wait 6-12 months before I can play my favourite game. Thanks Bethesda! Real classy of you.... screw over the community that has kept your game alive for a decade while you broke Skyrim and served us up the undercooked Starfield.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@michaelcondron1304And yet when the next game comes out, they’ll still buy it.

[@digitbit3180]

​@@Lobsterwithinternetyea I don't think that's the case anymore

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@digitbit3180 Just give them time. They'd need a couple more flops like Starfield before the Bethesda Faithfull start falling off.

[@deadshot4245]

​@@michaelcondron1304needed pc update is the key

[@jwashereHD]

It's a good thing I got the GOG edition. We can rollback to the previous update and play without DRM.

[@Chr0n0s38]

Steam can roll back too, it's just more tedious (which is why a tool to automate it exists).

[@AlexIncarnate911]

@@Chr0n0s38What’s the tool?

[@Chr0n0s38]

@@AlexIncarnate911 The fallout 4 downgrader. It should be on Nexus.

[@galimirnund6543]

@@Chr0n0s38 I got the GoG edition too. It's so nice to play games that are not being held captive by a 3rd party. If I move to BFE and have no internet, I can still play my games!!!

[@AlexIncarnate911]

@@Chr0n0s38 Thank you!

[@faheemadlan367]

So, i am in vanilla only plus dlc. If I update the game, it is better or much worse?

[@Davoda2]

With games I like to always make full backups (like I have a fully playable version of beamng going back to 0.20) so can I just swap the exe of fallout and be done with it? Or that won't work?

[@Gfish17]

This applies to more than Fallout 4. I have found missing area's in Skyrim.

[@Kman1989]

I'm using 1.5.97 with 1200 mods and 200 hrs same save not 1 crash zero issues. You should use the Best of Both worlds downgrade patcher. Been using since it released with zero issues

[@DeviousPatriot]

Ohhh, where at? I wanna check on em.

[@Gfish17]

@@DeviousPatriot So far I found some missing stones on the path from helgen to Ivorstead. If you look around the area near the Thalmor base where you do the "Quest missing in action" some of the water along the Coastline is missing abruptly. In fact just look carefully at the rocks around Whiterun there are missing rocks and land in general. It's like the map has holes in it.

[@kuman0110]

​@@Gfish17 Todd lives below the ground and eats the stones, confirmed 1000% lol

[@manelcolomer9044]

I don't know if it's me or not but the latest Starfield update has made planets with lots of flora and fauna unplayable (my FPS drops non-stop from 100 to 60-70 and even lower); going back to the last update and almost no stutter at all.

[@GrimGalore]

And this is why I refused to update to the "next gen" version. Because I knew BGS would screw it up.

[@2321kenb]

😂😂 same here! I remember back in 2011 when i was playing skyrim and they patched it for some ring that wasnt giving you the proper buff..well they fixed that but then all the dragons started to flying backwards.😂

[@curtharakaly4620]

Except I play on pc with mods and updating to next gen gave me better performance...

[@Adierit]

honestly i've had none of the problems shown here, but i also heavily combed my mod list to make sure it was all up to date before trying to play on the new patch. i have 124 mods running on the next gen version with 0 issues, not even the "stutter" shown here while literally using a facegen replacer for npcs

[@zazorelmattiro6792]

My biggest problem is that when I go to select a mod I get booted out of the mod menu and have to reload the mods back up. Im on xbox series x

[@marcofantesini5058]

I can't get close to east Boston without crashing any solution?

[@mad-yorkshireman4854]

The extra extra long loading screens and increased number of crashes on ps4 is a pain as well.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

FOR REAL!

[@akira20ish]

Agreed

[@FantasticMrGhost]

Microsoft closed the wrong studio ....

[@hazzard1983]

I can't even shot out fusion cores from power armor anymore to steal power armor

[@xSHAD0WENx]

Right now i been getting my settlements build limit increasing but nothing is built. everytime I go into build mode it shows nothing can be built.

[@TheMightySkeletonKing]

I play unmodded Xbox and I am still getting this. It could be unrelated, but I’ve only had this recently.

[@outsider2638]

I pray for the team of Fo London to release a non-upgraded version of the mod when it finally gets ready. I don't plan to upgrade my game like never.

[@joemedina4731]

Boy snap back to reality, the mod is a scam, they just post their donation sites and merchandise like T-shirt’s, mugs and hoodies, and they always ended up delaying it for stupid reasons like “oh no the queen is dead, we’ll remove it from the game”, “Starfield is out boys, don’t wanna outshine it”, “Christmas time, not everyone would be able to play it on holidays but it’s 90% done we promise” see the pattern? Or are you blindfolded as the rest of the mod fanboys are?

[@AHoardyBoi]

Likewise. If they only release a version for next gen I will just not play FOLON, even though I’ve been looking forward to it for literal years

[@Mixxie67]

I believe they’re going to be offering for free via GOG.

[@MichaeltheORIGINAL1]

@@AHoardyBoi I am totally with you guys on this. I mean, sure, you could upgrade and downgrade back after finishing playing FO London, however, I feel like I honestly don't want to update my game on principle. Furthermore, I won't give in to the nonsense of horrible updates Bethesda is forcing on us, the Elder Scrolls and Fallout community.

[@goblingoddessgaming608]

​@@AHoardyBoiThat's just stupid. You can always downgrade when you're done playing it. That's my plan if installing the game on two different drives on two different versions is not an option. Not sure, need to do more research. I'm SO stoked for London. I get why they don't want to deal with the headache or confused players who can't tell which version of the mod goes with what version of the game and patching two versions sucks. But I really hope they reconsider.

[@killer_tedox5280]

Somehow I fixed the stutter issue with the face gen data by uncapping the fps of course it still decreases fps but whats the differenzen in a drop from lets say 100 fps to 60 but then there is the issue with physics bound to fps in fallout 4

[@crazyturkturk1733]

i don’t know if this is just me but i haven’t had issues at all, granted i hadn’t been playing modded as I was doing my first PC playthrough vanilla. But i’m playing modded now and has custom npc’s and still face no issues. Is it specific npc mode that cause these issues?

[@nuculearpancake17]

People have hundreds of gb’s of carefully crafted time consuming mod sets which have been loaded in a way to be optimised and functional, this update affects them more than you as you have just gotten into it. Imagine you build a house and Bethesda come along and remove a couple bits of foundation. Suddenly the house is falling apart and you have to go in to find and fix whatever it was

[@Samiqmojo]

Bethesda has their showcase thing coming up. Either ballsy or oblivious of them.

[@Oj12323]

I lost my save from 2016 🙃

[@stevetrail2307]

F

[@N7.Tenebris]

Big oof.

[@JoiRandom]

Tragic

[@codymarshall587]

How?

[@Marineboy22]

@@codymarshall587probably a game breaking bug thats not allowing him to load his game or something like that

[@drakesingh9845]

If i downgrade my patch will mods that were updated for next gen have to be downgraded too?

[@TheSink333]

Did you find out yet if you do or not?

[@drakesingh9845]

@@TheSink333 yes you do. Some simply wont work even if game runs fine

[@TheSink333]

@@drakesingh9845 okay, thank you. That sucks

[@redfeather3201]

anyway to stop the crashing? Every time I don't use fast travel the game crashes. Does this to me on xbox, ps, and pc...Did notice its around the same places as NPC's spawn in. All mods are off too

[@robovinefilms1811]

I can only imagine the spaghetti code shenanigans with Creation Engine at this point.

[@cykablyat2003]

Shits been through 2 black holes and a pasta shop

[@sherrydowns4052]

They broke it and can’t find any real programmers to fix it 😂

[@richardwarren3134]

So I downloaded the unofficial patch mod for Xbox that's causing preformence issues? It's my first time playing fallout with mods so it's causing these issues?

[@AceOfBlackjack]

It's mostly the entire game that's lagging.

[@shadienastie2485]

I also had an issue where my mods would turn off when I reloaded the game with my hotspot turned off (don't have access to the internet at the moment) and when I turned it back on the mods were disabled.

[@tylermitchell4347]

Imagine having a 7/10 game and making it a 1/10 with an update that was supposed improve the game.

[@DudeWivAutism]

It wasn't even a 7 to begin with, it was a 5 at most

[@curtharakaly4620]

except the game runes better now for console players...and I play on pc with mods and the game runs much smooth with the next-gen update too. Stop repeating bullshit when you people aren't even using the update.

[@tylermitchell4347]

@curtharkaly4620 i play on xbox i had a heavily modded load order and had 60 fps and 0 crashes. I just knew what mods were bad and where to put mods in the load order so, you are indeed wrong on that account the update made it way worse.

[@tylermitchell4347]

A 7 with mods, they fix alot of things but not all. I would honestly give the vanilla game a 3/10 because the combat was the only thing that felt decent. Basically why people would rather play New vegas modded for gameplay, and fallout 4 for screenshots.

[@Cheyne_TetraMFG]

It just works…it just works never changes

[@Buderbukz]

Sixteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen times the detail.

[@deadshot4245]

​@@Buderbukzsixteen times the bullshit is why I said

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

😆😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😆

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

LOL… y’all are fkn killin’ me

[@oddtomato1049]

@@deadshot4245 Sixteen times the hours you have to play until the game becomes fun.

[@BarryLittle-vl1zz]

Bethesda doesn't know when to leave well enough alone...

[@jasonfarrell4667]

I cant even go into mods menu on xbox and the worshop resources dont appear.

[@jacksonjabba]

Even my friends who only mod very casually have downgraded. “Next gen” is rough

[@enescustovic1883]

All my homies hate next-gen bethesda updates

[@curtharakaly4620]

Next-gen made rhe game running smoother and better for me and I play with mods...

[@jacksonjabba]

@@curtharakaly4620 I mean that’s great, that’s not my experience but happy for you

[@Brookland-et9is]

I see people say this very occasionally. Looks like a 50:1 ratio lol​@@curtharakaly4620

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@curtharakaly4620People are complaining because we didn’t get an update where your game would run well and theirs would too. The update is bad by that metric

[@Rick_Eastland]

I love it when a game company "upgrades" your old game that was working just fine for years and end up making the entire experience worse.

[@yaboypeter3923]

I can’t disable mods because it fails to open mods on ps5 please help

[@BlinkBoyBrad]

I still have the sound bug on steam. Anyone else? The sound is all muffled and some sounds just dont happen at all like gun shots. Anybody else having this issue?

[@imkayjaylea]

Correction, the Search for mods on console has always worked like this. The "last" mod is actually the first as it sorts by upload date (imo it should be flipped) but also, unless you type EXACTLY the same name you won't find anything. Also, it shows "unrelated mods" but if you read each description the words "Cheat terminal" in that exact order will appear in every mods description in the search. Also also, use "Ugh Mod Manager Cap" (just type "Ugh Mod" and you should find it), install, reboot game, and when you search mods or view categories the list won't exhaust itself after a set amount of listings.

[@aedanclifton6325]

it deleted my DLC's , thanks Bethesda!

[@MazePerception]

XDI is the one I really need before updating to NG. I had downloaded the full set of CSEP quest mods to check them all out and everyone of them needs it. But im ok sitting pre NG for now.

[@tranquilitybase8100]

So glad I disabled updates when the patch was announced. Suspected something like this would happen.

[@18thealien]

Bethesda are, on a technical level, utterly incompetent. Expect no fixes.

[@WastedPot]

Despite the communities feelings on Arthmoor currently it’s nice to see he was right, and that Bethesda is responsible for the stutters not the F4 Unofficial patch.

[@kram9863]

What did Arthmoor do?

[@jh9794]

​@kram9863 a lot of things from what I've heard. But the only thing I know of specifically is monopolizing his patches (which have unwanted and personal changes he doesn't mention) and making sure no ine else can put one out. Given nexus had to make a rule specifically to counter his BS with starfield I believe this 100%

[@WastedPot]

@@kram9863 He wanted to retain agency over assets he’s worked on. Nexus changed their policies to address this. There isn’t a bad guy. Both sides were acting in their own interest. Go learn how to create your own mods if you’ve got a problem with Arthmoor is where I’m landing on the issue.

[@user-fu3if6yn7g]

I had some issues at first. Removed all my mods, deleted the game, and then re-downloaded the game and my mods. It didn't work, so I started deleting one mod at a time to see which one might have been causing the issues. Figured out it was any mod altering or adding NPCs. Got rid of them. Playing with about a dozen weapon, armor, and caps mods. Zero issues now. Just don't use NPC mods until the issue is resolved. Problem solved. Or the community can collectively whine and stomp its feet.

[@undergroundgabberhead4536]

Is it only with npc mods or does weather an Texture mods cause problems to?

[@undergroundgabberhead4536]

Still searching the problem why boston is lagging massive haha

[@jamesnoles2921]

Does anyone know when the next update is supposed to drop?

[@GrievousReborn]

I get the this operation could not be completed message whenever I'm scrolling through the search results for Capital Wasteland happens right when I get to the capital Wasteland armor pack 2 when you try to scroll past it

[@Jamaha5]

Bethesda Bethesda never changes

[@Lechuga1815]

Wow that's eerie, I'm literally waiting only for XDI to update to jump back on and the part I stopped at was as soon as I got on the Prydwen and am standing in front of Lancer Captain Kells. Then as soon as Juicehead talks about XDI being broken, he's showing a scene between him and Kells. Eerie coincidence.

[@michaelvilliers266]

I can't even get this to work? On series X deleted and reinstalled several times still wont work.

[@wolfhors3_660]

Starfield is stuttering as well. My fps runs 80-90 consistently then suddenly, it'll drop to 15 0r 20, sometimes single digits. I hit escape, and it comes back up and stays there when I return to game. This can occur at any time. It happens in cities, in space, on a planet, and even in cutscenes. I don't think it's happened in pois tho.

[@JUPAC22]

man I was so excited for Fallout London...

[@rabidraccoonplays7811]

Ok so pretty much all of these issues are not really happening to me since I have it on PlayStation 5, but I’m gonna ask for some help that I can’t seem to find anywhere else: My game crashes every time I scrap something in my settlement. This is the only time I ever crash but it’s an annoying thing I have to get used to. I have concluded mods aren’t the issue. If anyone’s faced this problem before, any advice?

[@redlinrangerstudio5331]

Another thing I noticed in my game are how the terminal texture will have a white glow like texture

[@lilpimp994]

My game was running better than the last gen version on Series X. But then I started building multiple cities using sim settlements 2 and now I get some stuttering and crashes. I am also experiencing the “The operation cannot be complete” bug for mods. I would be pissed if i didn’t already exceed the mod capacity.

[@Dubyahh]

If youre on xbox i think thats kind of just par for the course with SS2 on there, great mod but xbox can barely handle it

[@DanielFlores-tl5vu]

Theres a workaround for the thumbnail glitch i.e. the”operation could not be completed” glitch for specific mods. If you notice this happens for specific mods what you need to do is scroll quickly through all the menus until you notice that thumbnails will go grey or bug out. When this happens its now safe to open that mod you couldn’t download before since the thumbnail causing the crash wont load.

[@lonelypumpkins3543]

The in game mod menu doesnt even work for me anymore. Ive tried to verify the game and still doesnt work

[@midasgaming8441]

I can’t even play far harbour because everytime I try to go to a different location on far harbour, the game crashes

[@Redswipe]

I've noticed the 'Two Shot' effect on the Overseers Guardian doesn't seem to work anymore with the update.

[@krogerman83a]

it never worked for me lol

[@ryanjenki7948]

It works for me

[@mr.kingdice9127]

It works for me, I just had to make it semi automatic to notice the two bullets on each shot

[@liammcdonald9130]

Something that I've been having trouble with is far harbor, more specifically missing assets and random objects clipping in and out of existence.

[@Snikeymans]

Ive completed the game and im very far in ss2 and have a lot of mods im thinking of downhrading or not, suggestions?

[@Jacquez-pn9pf]

My game crashes now when I’m in my pipboy inventory or radio. I don’t even have mod installed

[@zlostnypopolnik]

As I have mentioned many times, it is an active sabotage of Fallout London for the benefit of the FO76 update.

[@wolfdwarf]

I dig conspiracies but this one feels like a stretch.

[@UberNeuman]

And to avoid confusion and attention taken away with the newbies coming in from the TV show. There was absolutely nothing to be gained for PC players with this "update."

[@JuiceHead3]

No its not

[@zlostnypopolnik]

@@JuiceHead3 Of course. So tell me one thing. What did they release it for? It does not make sense. Just don't tell me they didn't know they were ruining the game itself. Who is running it all? A monkey?

[@zlostnypopolnik]

@@wolfdwarf Have you seen how many people watch FO London? How many people are waiting for FO London? A big update for FO76 Skyline Valley is coming out in June. This is not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

[@XxHaythamKenwayxX]

For me I was getting very frequent infinite loading screens despite a clean vanilla install, something I hadn't ever experienced prior to the update

[@SuperMrHiggins]

This

[@PriitySiickViDz]

I've been playing with no mods but I do have quite a bit of Creation Club items installed as I like to switch back and forth from PC to Steam Deck. I have noticed the Steam Deck will occasionally drop all the way to 1 FPS making it unplayable anywhere from 30 seconds to a full minute or more before I am able to save and restart the game. I don't know if that is a Fallout 4 issue or a Steam Deck issue.

[@somethingbrite8484]

Creation Club "content" are mods. They are just mods you pay for.

[@MrROTD]

There's weird light boxes all over my game where the light ray effects are defined, there's rectangular boxes on the screen it's really bad, I'm on a console with no mods, I think a game on a console should work, am I wrong?

[@abriannaaguilera2123]

I've been trying to redownload my mods, after reinstalling, and it says "operation couldn't be completed" just navigating the mod menu and crashing just moving stuff on the LO

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I'm very glad that I backed up a pre-update version of the game, Bethesda can't even get an *EXTREMELY* minor overhaul right.

[@curtharakaly4620]

Except the Next-Gen version is 100% fixed now and objectively better. My game hasn't crashed once since updating to next-gen and gets better fps. While before the next-gen patch I was constantly crashing everywhere.

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@curtharakaly4620The update is bad because it should’ve made the game better or unchanged for everyone, not just a select few people.

[@thegamblern.i8583]

(Xbox Series X)I dont even have mods i play on vanilla and the game crashes quite alot just booting up the game and ive also crashed when in-game just by flicking between the pipboy menus too fast

[@BassGS001]

The mod search function on console only searches the description, so unless the mod author lists the name of the mod in the description, searching for it by name is basically useless.

[@noahgettheark]

Dude, it's always been broken. Bethesda fucks everything up in their never ending chase for more money after we've already bought their game. Look at Starfield, a dead, lifeless shell of a game that they hyped up to be amazing. They're gonna do the Skyrim treatment and introduce paid mods. They'll do it for Fallout 4 as well. I'm tired of these greedy practices. Every update they put out fucks everything up.

[@kizunadragon9]

imagine giving Bethesda another chance. you get what you deserve.

[@jarofrice4529]

Well they kinda force the update

[@tat381]

God help us with their next games I think I might just pass on fallout 5 seeing how bad the creation engine 2 is on starfield no improvements loading screens still a thing instead of asset streaming etc

[@it2spooky4me79]

​​@@tat381to be fair it's not really how long it takes for the loading screens, it's just the amount of loading screen present in the game, especially the unnecessary ones.

[@ricardokodaira]

I have the problem with micro sttutering and some mods dont open its Page for download and retorns that message, i play on PC for info.

[@fengshuo2725]

Is it possible to cope with the drop of the frame rate by looking at the ground when such event occurs?

[@somethingbrite8484]

well, if you stop and look at the ground for a while you won't notice it...but it will still be happening. It's caused by the NPC data loading in and being processed.

[@fengshuo2725]

@@somethingbrite8484 I see......thanks