Fallout London: 'Bethesda didn't tell us about Fallout 4 update' | BBC News

The lead developer for Fallout London has revealed his team had "zero correspondence with Bethesda" over the update of Fallout 4.
Fallout London, an unofficial mod which runs off Fallout 4, has now been postponed due an update heading to consoles and PC on April 25.
Dean Carter spoke to BBC Newsbeat to talk about the frustration and lack of communication he and his team have had after being just days away from releasing their game, 4 years in the making.
The BBC has approached Bethesda for comment.
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Credit: Fallout London, Amazon MGM Studios and Kilter Films and Bethesda.
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[@aw9307]

BBC covering fallout is so weird.

[@Brams2777]

A fallout mod especially

[@FaytVanguard]

At least the “fallout” is a video game.

[@williamjohnson4417]

You’d think this modder would be smart enough to realize the reason he is getting unexpectedly interviewed on the BBC is the same reason the update launched at an unexpected date, because the show was an unexpected success. I’m sure they thought the show would do OK, but I doubt they we really banking on the level of reception it has gotten.

[@aerohk]

because of the tv series, it is becoming mainstream

[@Afghamistam]

The weirdest thing is that they're covering this as though anyone who is not deeply into the Fallout franchise would have any idea what the fuck these people are talking about. Have they forgotten how to make a news report?

[@user-ml1rv1jk3w]

I am bewildered that BBC is covering a mod for Fallout

[@maboilaurence8227]

Probably because it's set in London, I guess. Also free clicks thanks to the trending TV series.

[@whartanto2]

1:24 The reporter from BBC would not be out of place in any nerds' caves. For a second I thought he is one of the devs.

[@onawhim9079]

Don't be bewildered, be happy

[@chrisburns5532]

its's called desperation

[@romeo.3472]

BBC getting down with the kids... again. 🤔

[@harrylong2796]

The BBC interviewer looks like he's shut himself in the cupboard to do this interview secretly and I love it

[@yeah_ImAFish]

Hopefully the literal BBC covering their game will act as a wake up call for Bethesda.

[@bobfunk5055]

Bethesda never changes

[@CarlmeisterWasTaken]

Theres definitely a BBC top brass looking forward to playing Fallout London and is fuming at Bethesda for the delay

[@helenhobbs5472]

Good. If we all fume together maybe the modders will get the help they need.

[@willsta21]

These ‘modders’ work on free labour and constant disappointment.

[@nerdygem8620]

Doing what us Brits do best: fuming 😂

[@nswayze2218]

Use it as an opportunity to raise funds

[@Gerlaffy]

@@helenhobbs5472oh yes the poor poor modders, doing something by choice with someone else's IP.

[@MisterNoble]

Surprised this is something the BBC would cover

[@Red-pv7kx]

Probably because Amazon paid for it. This is the equivalent of an ad… Forgive me if I’m wrong, that’s just what I assume.

[@graw211]

cause they are brits?

[@pessi6185]

They will cover anything to distract away from what the Israelis are doing in Gaza.

[@tetsballer1835]

Fallout is cool now and everyone likes it because of the amazon show

[@ankamafan]

@@graw211 News channel, but yeah its something i would never expect to happen.

[@JusFoNo]

"The BBC has approached Bethesda for comment" Unironically, this could be the catalyst for Bethesda providing an official response, or MAYBE some actual support

[@TheIrishGamerGuy]

...or it will be the reason the mod gets taken down.

[@jpf7942]

​@@TheIrishGamerGuy It won't be taken down. He isn't breaking any laws. He isn't profiting from this. This is all his and his team's work pro bono

[@vsluj3508]

@@jpf7942 He is profiting from the donations etc

[@thehandleisuseless]

​@@TheIrishGamerGuyno way, Bethesda loves mods, they are a massive incentive for people to play and keep playing

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

​@@TheIrishGamerGuy Bethesda isn't going to do that. Taking the mod down for any reason is only going to cause a huge shit storm of negative press for BGS. I don't think Bethesda is dumb and petty enough to risk that.

[@adamkaige]

Makes a change from the usual death, despair and destruction that usually dominates the news.

[@tomjones1506]

I agree. Let's discuss a game about death and impending destruction! Seriously though I do agree with your sentiment, it makes a welcome change

[@WinterRapids]

1. Me being amazed that the BBC is covering a MOD. 2. Me being amazed that a BBC report on a MOD got 50 000+ views in less than a day.

[@speedingoffence]

Suddenly not so amazing, huh?

[@PalleRasmussen]

129000 views here on day 3.

[@GnosticAtheist]

Well, its fallout London. Everyone is waiting for it in the community and even outside of it people have taken notice due to the trailers. The community is not 4 neckbeards and a couple of kids anymore ;)

[@jusepie5713]

@@PalleRasmussen 174 000 day4

[@ketzk]

Why are you capitalizing MOD? MOD means Ministry of Defense from a BBC standpoint.

[@boglay8597]

Me first see the Fallout London title: Okey dokey. Me see the BBC News then: What's this then?

[@daviq7]

same thing too, crazy

[@andme-cf7kj]

OKEY DOKEY XDD

[@Echelon111999]

WHASSALLDISDEN???

[@ramonfontes9025]

OKEY DOKEY 🤣

[@chopbeta3294]

Ah the cringe has spred

[@shane1039]

I think the only time Bethesda warned an unofficial dev team of an update was back when they were prepping to release Skyrim Anniversary Edition. They let the SKSE team know ahead of time. I could be wrong but I thought I read something about that once.

[@D3NZ]

Don't know about the Anniversary Update, but they did this actually on their last "big" Skyrim update in december 2023.

[@shane1039]

@@D3NZ That's it then. I knew it was Skyrim just wasn't sure when.

[@Sedjwin_]

I think what many people dont understand is the sheer size of this MOD; its bigger than most games coming out, hundreds of people involved, all working for free! The equivilent would be a "fan made" formula 1 racing team taking part this year for then suddenly the rules to change and give no warning.

[@davidlillyman4958]

Real good analogy. This is what the people giving the dude grief done get

[@Johnnytree67]

So? 😂😂 unbelievable i don't care i have my own life problems

[@supergamergrill7734]

@@Johnnytree67 So don't comment

[@db5094]

@@Johnnytree67 Then don't watch? You must have a bitter life if you watch videos you don't care about, read comments on that video, and respond to one. Miserable

[@8RIGHTS]

that analogy is terrible lmao, its more like a fan made team trying to race without being in contact with the actual F1 organizers. just 'jumping on the track' without actually getting permission to race lmao what the fuck is this ahahahaha its a FAN MADE MOD. BETHESDA ARE NOT OBLIGED TO TELL THESE RANDOMS ANYTHING LMAO

[@iTomBass]

Thought I was tripping seeing BBC news covering this? Are they feeling alright?

[@B.D.E.]

It's fantastic that they are tbh.

[@curiositycloset2359]

They are trying to get down with the yooth. Given they have destroyed any trust they had, better go for the young and dumb

[@bev8200]

Something people care about

[@bev8200]

@@curiositycloset2359 most fallout fans are 40

[@blurgle9185]

@@curiositycloset2359 lol at least they are not old and dumb.

[@Mikenyil1]

Wow wasn't expecting BBC to be reporting on Fallout. This is a big moment for the Fallout community

[@reno5159]

Not really lol. Think amazon prime doing the show probably had a much larger effect on number

[@chrisburns5532]

sad moment really 0 when you consider these people support pedophiles

[@joshuatealeaves]

@@reno5159He didn’t say this is the biggest moment. BBC news is covering a mod. It’s a moment for the franchise you don’t have to argue against everything

[@avedinamling8320]

it may be fallout community's highlights but at the same time this one of BBC's low points.

[@matthewflores4183]

Not really

[@Nick_R_]

Delighted that the BBC is covering gaming and games development

[@deanblenkinship1614]

I'm so gutted for all of you been following this for ages and like the skywind project this looks absolutely amazing

[@KantFromEC]

I didn't have BBC covering Fallout London on my 2024 BINGO card...

[@jartinmustin]

LOL

[@aegontargaryen573]

I did. I’m rich bich!

[@harku123]

I looked back and forth multiple times on the title of the video and the uploader lol! Seriously dude would never have guessed

[@liljasere]

@@harku123I thought it was some kind of joke I was pleasantly surprised

[@XenosX4]

The only reason why they are covering fallout is due to the widespread success of the TV show Fallout which widened the target audience for this specific news coverage to be more plausible. That, and it's a great game.

[@AdmiralBison]

and probably because the mod is about London. so its a combination of all tha. if a game was made depicting a small town in deep detail, the local news would probably give it coverage because of the attention it would get.

[@XenosX4]

@@AdmiralBison yea exactly

[@flexdon5188]

Exactly, they're generating clicks from the success of someone else.

[@ChrisFrancis1994]

@@flexdon5188Also known as “the news”

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

They covered the release of Fallout 4. Can’t link on KZbin, but here is the first few paragraphs of a 2015 article: A new instalment in the best-selling post-apocalyptic video game series Fallout has been confirmed. Fallout 4, the first addition to the series since 2010, will be available on Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC. The hugely anticipated title has not yet been given a release date, but developer Bethesda said more details would be shared later this month. Drug references in a previous version of the game led to it being temporarily banned in Australia. Content in Fallout 3 had to be amended to appease regulators, and the game was given a 15+ age rating. Fallout 4 has a provisional 18+ rating.

[@thehandleisuseless]

As a modder myself and a lover of this guys and other mods i can not agree that Bethesda owes us anything. What we do is modify their original content and they allow us to easily do it and integrate it to the game, is not fair for us to think that we work with or for them. Its our choice to do it, nobody hired us or forced us to do this

[@chao7514]

Now BBC is covering mod release? good to live long I guess

[@MaFiAGooonerxx]

The BBC employees are all fresh out of Uni and are younger than us now 😂

[@keepgoing7533]

lol that might be true here@@MaFiAGooonerxx

[@Von_Langstein]

jokes aside I hope we get to a global state where the only concerning news are stories like this. I want world conflict and events to be so boring and so little happening that News goes back to covering random local events again. I'm tired of living through Unprecedented times.

[@cyborgparrot1996]

They also made an article about the Half-Life remake mod Black Mesa back when it originally released.

[@kaiisth]

@@cyborgparrot1996 Yeah was about to mention this

[@PlayerOblivion]

I had to rub my eyes just to make sure I was seeing this right; BBC covering Fallout.

[@Slenderslayer351]

Only because Fallout is insanely popular thanks to the show and BBC wants to be relevant by covering anything they can

[@jayg.2066]

A fallout mod*

[@LordDaret]

@@Slenderslayer351yeah, it’s almost like they are a news program, underlying the word “new”-s.

[@clemguitarechal]

Aside the controversy, it is so great to hear more about how the mod has been produced, in which context, and how much these people got involved into it. So grateful to have guys like these sharing their passion for the sake of our entertainement. It's incredible when you think about it.

[@appelfrieter5869]

I think I met this guy backpacking in Asia many years ago. This feels weird. I can not place it exactly but I know I have spoken to this man. Maybe it was brief and I was drunk.

[@V-escape]

Wow. Major outlets covering A GAME AND MODS. Such cool times to live in

[@mwbwyatt]

And one from a company that actively ENCOURAGES people to mod the everliving shit out of their games to a..point. as he stated tho, they get really hesitant around bigger mods or projects from the community and don't communicate too well about letting people know about updates. Which is understandable, modders aren't always actual professional programmers and can just be a passion project. But at least they allow it...and are also letting the modding team profit off of at LEAST their discord and website. Some companies probably wouldn't even allow that, cuz they'd assume they'd wanna charge for the mod itself as well. Which is pretty unallowed if it's not going through their creation club first

[@UlyssesM]

Weird*

[@V-escape]

@@mwbwyatt yeah, Bethesda politics regarding mods is interesting indeed - on one hand we have paid creation club content on the other free mods made by community. Would be nice if communication between BGS and authors of important mods like FO4SE was there so people could prepare.

[@gokurocks9]

A mod getting news coverage is actually insane. Awesome!

[@MarmaLloyd]

Tbf been waiting a while now. Got a pc for it that will be out of date by the time of release 😆

[@nikoladzhurov1800]

somebody at bbc was ready to play and got pissed :D

[@endymion3071]

I guarantee that some of the staff at the BBC were just super miffed about the delay and the news team picked up on the story that way.

[@GoGetItPeriod]

Big news corporations are missing a gap in the market not reporting on the gaming sector, especially now it's becoming the most profitable area of entertainment.

[@IIJonnyBoyII]

If Bethesda was smart they would contract these guys for an official release.

[@Dingleberrycrunch36]

They are not smart. See: Starfield, FO: 76, Deathloop, Redfall, Wolfenstein: YB, and Obsidian

[@tazzedwards6965]

There was a similar mod for NV not that long ago, the hype was palpable and it was a mutual excitement shared by the community. The end result was a multitude of inappropriate content in an asset purchase world. Content creators having to publicly condemn the mod having given prior public support due to the nature of some of the content. Not saying that’s the case here - but it’s irresponsible for them to get involved with these type of projects.

[@MetalGearyaTV]

I don't want to dissapoint you, but the mod is not likely up to standards modern AAA games have. It must be top-notch and very high-budget on every level, from visuals, to sound, to radio, voice acting etc. Certainly this is not the case, so there's no reason to make it official.

[@patricks9401]

@@MetalGearyaTV Tell Bethesda that, they will charge your for these community created mods, its the only way to get them on console, and IMO some are better than what Bethesda are capable off, especially recently, Bethesda have really went down hill the last few years.

[@MetalGearyaTV]

@@patricks9401 Man, London is a friggin' fan made mod. It should tell you everything. This is not a proper modern game. Honestly, I friggin deсписе clueless n00bz like you.

[@jacoporegini8841]

Wow, didn't expect to find this interview here. This is so big for BBC.

[@f0lke]

Yeah, hopefully this will be their big break! Been following these guys for a while.

[@mren5750]

@@f0lke these kids wont last. Buzzfeed for life.

[@leoSaunders]

ahaha i see what u did there

[@Spright91]

This mod should be on creation club with official Bethesda support. I don't like paid mods but this is one I would pay for because of the sheer effort of it.

[@scotify9126]

very common to at least notify a project of this size, maybe not with Bethesda but other games have supported this communication given a certain level of trust (and with even smaller projects). Bethesda probably will not admit it, but this points to a clearly unplanned update especially given all the bugs as well already. Rushed out per corporate demands to get something to bring in players when they saw how effective the show was.

[@Nasiruify]

"Fallout london"... So just london

[@HanifBarnwell]

😂

[@BPJJohn]

Took me a Second to get it, Especially embarrassing since I live here XD.

[@user-wh5du9mk6e]

​@@BPJJohn in all fairness mate you've probably got bigger things to think about surviving the wasteland lmao, also whoever you are have a bloody brilliant existence 😊

[@antonycharnock2993]

Well most of the UK outside London already looks like a post apocalyptic wasteland.

[@MrMaster2262]

No... it's in Manchester 😂

[@blacklighthologram5339]

Bro I can’t wait for Pyro, Asmondgold, Penguinzero and SomeOrdinaryGamers to have a panic attack thinking the BBC is gonna take their jobs.

[@jaydowney9580]

That's an odd thing to say. I highly doubt any of the KZbinrs you mentioned are concerned.

[@johnathanthomas9118]

These youtubers don't actuallly "cover" game news, they are like dogs following the trend.

[@PteCONeal]

They would actually get more views and attention than the BBC lmao

[@Krshk999]

Real 😂

[@TheSeledoonArmy]

Every name you listed just follow bullshit trends and jump on bandwagons lol they wouldn't care about this

[@bsdpowa]

you don't need a video game to experience an apocalypse in London

[@I_am_nobody999]

Excited to see a mod set in a near-future London!

[@mus_cetiner]

BBC tapping into the fallout zeitgeist.

[@thejoelrooganexplosion2400]

You guys got on BBC News!?! Jolly ol Fallout

[@ChrisC-oy9qp]

Power to the team that is developing Fallout London. These are the fans that develop a franchise they love. Some companies recognize that.

[@Dank]

The fact that they have no problem delaying the mod when a problem arises is a good thing to me

[@andrewmannson7543]

I really hope Bethesda sees this and decides to do an Enderal and let this be a standalone

[@JosephJones-or4fl]

it probably is, its likely going to use its own launcher but require the fallout 4 license available

[@honeybadger9425]

It would make sense to sort a deal out by the sounds of it I’d imagine a Fallout London would sell really well in the UK anyway

[@Nadz203]

Bethesda are a has been dev coasting by on the work previous talent did for the studio a decade or more ago. They are rightfully scared of Mods like this showing just how very far they have fallen.

[@jokke6265]

Its weird, because Bethesda has done it before. they already have a "mod/game" called Enderal for Skyrim, that has its own steam page, and it works absolutely wonderful.

[@Jenny_Oblivion]

Cool! I didn’t know about that because I play on PS

[@Nadz203]

Bethesda are a has been dev coasting by on the work previous talent did for the studio a decade or more ago. They are rightfully scared of Mods like this showing just how very far they have fallen.

[@jokke6265]

@@Jenny_Oblivion if you like Skyrim, and have a chance to play enderal, you should, its really good.

[@jokke6265]

@@Nadz203 most 3a devs are these days, they are selling brands, not games.

[@Jenny_Oblivion]

@@jokke6265 I will definitely check it out ✌️

[@espressomatic]

We'll have to play a smaller mod in the meantime. Maybe Fallout Croydon. Or reach out to Deadpool to see if he wants to fund Fallout Wrexham.

[@ultrablueslime8216]

seeing the BBC acknowledge fallout London is crazy

[@eboneezascrooge]

In Fallout London you can wheelie electric bikes and ride around in balaclavas yielding knives and cigarettes

[@danreader8223]

London Sumulator

[@chr0mg0d]

@@danreader8223 London Slumulator is a nice one xD

[@adz951]

And this is before the nukes go off

[@dirtypixeI]

I wonder if they will have pro-Palestine marches through London every five minutes?

[@Sammyhasbigmuscles]

raiders have been replaced by roadmen

[@chrisburns5532]

do i need a tv license to watch this?

[@JLudd]

😂😂

[@tomjones1506]

Which fallout fan at the BBC is pissed off... imagine if its the director General just like "gad damm it Bethesda!!"

[@cranialtoxicity4434]

It's a pleasant suprise to see a mainstream outlet like the BBC covering gaming media stories. Most major broadcasting companies would never.

[@crashmer]

The right thing to do would be to have a compatibility mode of sorts. Maybe even allow the mods to run in experimental mode where the community can contribute to bug reports etc.

[@bigtone7824]

They got it handled just gotta wait

[@PatMcPoyle]

Bethesda can't even release a functioning game on launch day, they aren't going to be able to help modders

[@JP-xh4fq]

Haha no kidding. We are likely to get a working Fallout 5 from fans long before Bethesda ever gets to it.

[@Nadz203]

Bethesda are a has been dev coasting by on the work previous talent did for the studio a decade or more ago. They are rightfully scared of Mods like this showing just how very far they have fallen.

[@Tobythefirst1]

Fallout London is going to be the same

[@liljasere]

I didn’t expect to see this on bbc news when I searched to check its progress 💀

[@RazagalArtanis]

Bethesda announced a next gen update was coming back in 2022......

[@deadyoo00]

Didnt expect to see such content on BBC but I'm positively surprised!

[@Mojo-IRE]

Fair play Prilla for getting on the BBC. Real shame that BGS didn't just reach out and stop to think what this update might do. It's a full sized game for free. Could only help drive their sales.

[@abramrick3079]

Why would they tho, at the end of the day it is BGS’s game lol

[@Mojo-IRE]

@@abramrick3079 Because it's a full sized game? Their game Fallout 4 will eventually have 2 full games now for the price of 1. They could have helped it release on time by keeping in contact with the FOLON team. I mean it's not like they haven't done this before. Just look up the mod "Enderal" for Skyrim. Bethesda even agreed to get them a steam page for the game. It's mad they never reached out to a mod of this scope for Fallout 4.

[@choiyenaenjoyer]

@@abramrick3079 because read his last sentence

[@reno5159]

@@choiyenaenjoyer Still wouldnt put a penny in bethesdas pockets lets be real. How many people who never played a fallout game happen to be playing on pc and fancy installing a huge game changing mod. Probs quite a small number of ppl in comparison lets be honest

[@helios1336]

@@reno5159this is bs. Modding is the only thing that kept these games relevant. You act like modding fallout is difficult, while fallout has an own mod manager where you can install mods with one click. So stop acting like modding is some kind of exotic thing in fallout, lol. It’s free traffic for Bethesda, and they even can advertise their shitty creation club. If you think Bethesda doesn’t make profit out of mods, you are just extremely naive. Especially after seeing Starfield fail big time. Fallout 4 had more players before the series launch then Starfield, and that’s because people play and mod the game. And now sit down

[@duglife2230]

BBC is covering this? British fans must have been more excited to play this mod than I realized.

[@Metroidam11]

Hilarious how the professional BBC guy has a worse mic than the guest being interviewed.

[@Sir1626]

you're delusional if you think Bethesda, or any company, would contact the modders for an unofficial mod

[@arcanephysics7384]

I mean they did give the SKSE team early access to Skyrim Anniversary Edition when that came out

[@JosephJones-or4fl]

yet paradox does it when they release a dlc, to ensure big conversion mods are up to date on dlc release

[@jaeslow6347]

@@JosephJones-or4fl frankly it just makes sense to keep modders informed, but I think this situation is slightly different because I imagine Bethesda wanted the next gen update to tie in with the show, and Amazon arnt going to work around some game companys community mod. The big boys aint gunna let London sit at the table.

[@williamyoung9401]

Exactly. Fallout London is probably better than Fallout 3 and 4. It might also hamper future sales of Fallout 5, or any DLC for that dumpster fire, Fallout 76. So of course, kill the FREE project that will make us (Bethesda) look bad. And now that Microsoft owns them, they're probably even more vindictive than ZeniMax Inc. (the old owners of the Fallout series)

[@patricks9401]

One very important thing, they have monetized mods, as in they will add them to the main menu for you to buy, both console and PC, they even advertise in game for you too buy these mods, just adding that in as some people may think he has no right to be informed or be part off development. Fallout London has been very sought after for years now.

[@CuriousCheetah44]

Imagine the news reporter like in their 60s with glasses, giving a summary and handing this story over to these guys, it's so weird them covering this 😂

[@Alex-pk1iy]

Genuinely thought this was a fake account. So weird seeing the BBC cover a Fallout 4 mod

[@ShanePlaysTV]

Bro why is the BBC covering this, like, im actually surprised lmao

[@heywatchme101]

probably someone working at BBC is a big Fallout player

[@ShanePlaysTV]

@@heywatchme101 ahhhh I see man

[@ShanePlaysTV]

@@heywatchme101 I was like bro why is the bbc covering fallout 🤣

[@JosephJones-or4fl]

because its a massive fallout mod around the UK, and fallout has been getting a lot of attention due to the show

[@ShanePlaysTV]

@@JosephJones-or4fl I thought so, I’m from the uk but it’s just the fact it’s not really something you’d expect them to cover

[@PhilipCockram]

I really wish Bethesda would make a deal with fallon to make this a proper DLC . Its to big for consoles , so even when its released will be PC only . That's a shame because I'm 100% more interested in this than any other game or announcement .

[@Omfgwhtavid]

This is the closest I’ve ever been to thinking about paying my TV license.

[@ClaimerUncut]

They do have a patreon with over 767 members, so hopefully that's helped Dean to an extent.

[@dr.virus1295]

This feels so... surreal, seeing BBC covering this.

[@hunyesmith03]

Surprised BBC is covering it but quite pleased I suppose, it’s a shame but I am so excited about Fallout London

[@mrslimesmasher101]

i must be seeing things, i am amazed that the bbc is covering a fallout mod

[@hi-ef8eh]

Can someone tell if it was broadcast on their TV channel, or was it only on their KZbin?

[@INFINITY-oe4is]

I respect Bethesda for supporting this mod to a degree. If this was Nintendo they would be kicking the door down!

[@adamcummings20]

Nintendo's legal team probably doubles as a paramilitary force at this point

[@Nadz203]

Bethesda are a has been dev coasting by on the work previous talent did for the studio a decade or more ago. They are rightfully scared of Mods like this showing just how very far they have fallen.

[@StreetDogSteve]

I had to look 5 times to make sure BBC was covering a fallout mod... .The hell.

[@user-yl6cq5ct1f]

i love how no one is actually talking about the video lmfao

[@user-mv6li9wr1k]

Kind of weird BBC are covering this but the update was announced 18 months ago. Did they not foresee this happening back then? 😅

[@AdamMGTF]

I was sad to see the mod delayed but its hardly Bethesda fault. They want to make money and they have to update the game to keep doing so

[@d3iviz600]

Short sighted unsophisticated argument.

[@darklorddysart]

⁠@@d3iviz600Pretentious needless judgmental reply.

[@lynneplex]

A lot of things he said was mostly his fault, they caused the delay themselves. This is official business ​@@d3iviz600

[@Gerlaffy]

@@d3iviz600delusional uninformed ridiculous ideals

[@Tobythefirst1]

@@d3iviz600 They are objectively right. This modder is a fool and you know it.

[@roamingcurious6730]

What is perhaps not clear to people, is that 90% of ALL mods for Fallout (there are literally thousands of them) will not work after Bethesdas release of the Fallout Update. Those enthusiastic new players of Fallout who started to play after watching the TV series and installed a mod or two (not unusual) will find their game will most likely crash after updating. I am sure there are going to be a lot of unhappy campers. Certainly not good for Bethesda or Fallout.

[@curtsk19]

Well it would depend on the update no?

[@sanssans7392]

Mods that utilize the Fallout 4 Script Extender (this is a community-made tool that expands the capabilities of mods) will likely not work because the script extender only works for specific versions of the game. This update, which sounds like it's making large sweeping changes behind the scenes, will take a lot of work to update F4SE.

[@tyronestrydom1]

I highly doubt most new comers are modding the games

[@VORASTRA]

​​@@tyronestrydom1 yeah, for example I know Bethesda games are easily moddable, but on my first playthroughs of them I either don't mod them at all, or add a couple of fixes and that's it. There is no need in excessive modding on blind playthroughs. I might add some utilities, like I installed iron sights and sprint mod for Fallout 3, and that's it.

[@jamesmeldrum4563]

@@tyronestrydom1 Not at all true. Nexus mods has had a huge increase in traffic since the Fallout series dropped.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

It's not like we all didn't see this coming from a mile away. Updates break mods. This rather huge mod schedule overlapped with a rather large update. Just roll back the update, block the update and continue to play. We've all had to do this at some point.

[@reyluzunaris4506]

BBC covering the “London mod” for fallout is 🔥 becuase now they’re getting more exposure

[@EladarImm]

With something this big that's been worked on and discussed in the community so long, it really feels baffling. But. Larger companies are not really as in touch when it comes to this stuff; and being corporate really just adds a dimension of being almost forced to be at arms length. So on the one hand you have the company probably not thinking about it, and being occupied with other things; on the other hand, you have all the distance, and all the rules, from being a big company- and then all the stuff we have no idea about, internal policies, etc. Game development really is complicated on a lot of levels... I really feel for this team. Regardless of the reasons, it really sucks.

[@cruznix4741]

This is kinda wild for multiple reasons. Firstly, given everything happening in the world right now I wouldn’t have expected the BBC to cover this. Secondly, why would you expect a heads up from a company that you are in no way shape or form connected to. I appreciate mods as much as the next player, but unless they are coming out of creation club they are essentially pro bono add on’s. Don’t get me wrong it would be nice for contributing member of the community to be given some heads up but unless you are going to have every mod author sign an NDA or exists in some capacity under the Bethesda banner it makes no sense.

[@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy]

Surprised this is being covered, BUT I'm so glad they did. This is a big deal and a massive project that so many have poured countless hours into. I don't want this to go quietly into the night like so many other mods. This deserves to be out.

[@maxjax977]

Anyone remember that Fallout New Vegas: Frontier mod? Not saying this mod is gonna be like that but its understandable why Bethesda would maintain distance from mod dev teams

[@XtremBizZzar]

damn, bbc. you covered this? This is a win move

[@Dr_Procrastinator]

bro i thought i was tripping seeing this uploaded by the BBC of all things.

[@reeven1721]

Interesting to see the BBC covering what's essentially a giant bold letters callout to Bethesda that's basically "GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER" re: modding and respect and communication for their modding ecosystem.

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

Wow, how often do you see a video game mod get coverage from a major world news corporation? This feels pretty unprecedented.

[@OneTwoMark]

We've known the patch has been coming for ages, I don't know what they expected. For them to just not ever release it?

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

We've known it is coming but we were told initially it would be released in 2023 as mentioned in this VERY INTERVIEW. They delayed it and didn't give us a date until just over a month beforehand...not only that but they announce the date to be 2 days after Fallout London's planned release. This is a mod that is 30gigs big, map large as the base game and with hundreds of people working on it. They expected at least some forewarning or at least a timeframe of when the update would be dropping so they could work around that instead of being given zero notice.

[@WayStedYou]

@@Lifeislikeadoughnut Is there any reason why you didnt just release it and tell people not to update their game as most mod users know not to do, then do an update for the patched version once you get the fixes worked out?

[@SavathunSussyImpostor]

@@WayStedYouThey mentioned they didn’t want to do that just so more people can get into it immediately, like for instance if your game automatically updated it, you’d have to go through the trouble of redownloading the entire game on the older version which requires using the console and doing a bunch of things that make it a big hassle for those who had the update downloaded automatically

[@dirtyshinobii]

It was announced 18 months ago. This guy and his team have had all the time in the world to prepare for it, but I guess the multi-billion dollar company needs to run around after unofficial mod developers and get their permission to update the game according to this dude. I've lost all interest in fallout london after seeing this whiny babies reaction to everything

[@rg31404]

The mistake was thinking you can count on your mod being valid in this way. They don't have quite the incentive to keep your mod viable the way you think they do.

[@ragetobe]

Perhaps you don’t realise how big the fan base is and what they want. The mistake was clearly on Bethesda’s side or this wouldn’t have made the BBC. Community is everything in the game world, they should pay attention.

[@ragetobe]

@Zen Master Alex Like I said, never underestimate the fan base. When you insult someone, all you're doing is showing your weakness and highlighting my strengths.

[@rg31404]

There's no doubt there is a fanbase that supports this (a free mod), but that doesn't necessarily translate to the corporation using any resources to make it possible. It's difficult for consumers to understand, but it's just a business reality.

[@ragetobe]

@@rg31404 The longer a fanbase is playing your game, mod or no mod the better it is for that game and the next game to come along, it's a fine line to walk if you piss your fanbase off.

[@thesamebutnew9742]

I think the recent life being breathed into the fallout franchise will help the success of Fallout: London. It's been a long time since the release of Fallout 4, its DLC, and Fallout 76. The TV show created a welcomed opportunity for more fallout content and brought a lot of new eyes to the fallout world. I'm sure the bethesda update will incentivise people to upgrade to next gen consoles, buy Fallout games, and their DLCs. Still got some time before season 2's release. Fans will flock back to the game to see what bethesda did. New fans might check it out. A nearly 10 year old game will live on for another decade due to the community engagement. When fallout london comes out, all of the passionate players will make it the biggest success of modding history. It's a great time to be a fallout fan.

[@3mpt7]

Massively popular video game franchise with a popular and well-reviewed TV series features features London, made by fans of the franchise. Four years in the making, fan project featuring London is delayed due to official publisher involvement, which doesn't include anything British at all.

[@B-...]

"We knew this update was coming as of 2023" "It came as a complete surprise"

[@grahamstoner]

Yeah, these modders sound incredibly entitled. Why would Bethesda "have a conversation" with modders? This guy is just salty because he wanted to capitalise on the increased popularity of Fallout and now that's not going to happen. Why's he talking about NDAs and Bethesda's PR department? They're making a mod.

[@supergamergrill7734]

@@grahamstoner It was hinted to come but they never gave a conclusive date, we only new when it was coming this april. It;s like someone telling you they are gonna charge you 100 bucks then a year later giving you 10 minute heads up that they are gonna charge. This mod was in the works way before the show was even annouced or teased. Tourist I swear

[@B-...]

@@supergamergrill7734 I think this might shock non-modders, but anyone with familiarity with modding is going to realize how absurd this whole ordeal is. Patches break large mods literally every day of every year. It never hits the news.

[@WayStedYou]

@@grahamstoner because they are half the reason their games even sell like they do

[@HkVdn]

​@@grahamstonerIt's free, they aren't taking advantage of anything, and, yes Bethesda does usually have at least contact with big mods. Just look at enderal for exemple

[@therenaissanceman9586]

Didn't this next gen update get announced over a year ago? I know modders didn't know the exact release date but they did know it was coming and most likely alongside the release of the show. Or at least I was expecting next gen update to come around the release of the tv show. The Modders should take the time they need to have the game they want. But saying Bethesda told them nothing or they were blindsided seems just weird imo.

[@colavertigo]

I wonder if beans on toast would be a food item.

[@glenday7217]

Along with Fish, chips and mushy peas! Or a kebab on a saturday night!

[@MK-cm6xo]

Instead of Deviled Eggs you get YumYum Scotch Eggs

[@TescoValueMemes369]

They're probably covering it because of the recent success of the Fallout TV series and this is vaguely Britain-related.

[@AMediumSizedKodiak]

They “didn’t tell us” But the update has been known of and in the works for years. Why do non employees feel they have the right to be informed of the exact date before any other consumer? Makes literally no sense to me

[@Keyecomposer]

They don't, i'm a lead for the Skyblivion project and we'd never ever expect Bethesda to clue us in on their every decision. Its tough enough as it is to get large mods like this to be given Bethesdas official approval without leads like this going on tv and insulting them. Between this and Fallout the frontier fallout modder have made it really difficult for the rest of Bethesda game modders to be approachable by Bethesda and i don't blame them.

[@JaSon-wc4pn]

Finally something worth while on the BBC I got my Jimmy Fix it wish afterall

[@reno5159]

Almost makes me wanna consider maybe paying my license!!

[@rossnavy]

Hope to see it released soon, Bethesda should liaise with the big modders, they ultimately rely on them and a mod in development as big as London WILL have been known to Bethesda and the impact it will have had on the London team must have been known.

[@tayojb]

why is this on BBC I mean I've been excited for years and I'm sad about this but why is BBC talking about it?????

[@mikinaakandersen1189]

Someone needs to let the guy who was interviewed know something very important. He just had an interview for what amounts to a full Fallout game that he and his team made and intend to put out for people to enjoy on BBC. He is a professional in every sense of the word, they are all now professional artists, the lot of them. They have the characteristics of both Artists and Game Designers, and they should never undersell themselves on that ever once they release Fallout London. They should be very proud of what they have done.

[@Gerlaffy]

So professional that they've made a mod for a game rather than their own and then had a little whine about a company that made that game not giving them special treatment. Incredibly professional. Not entitled at all.

[@KarliKraken]

​@@GerlaffyAre you brain-dead?

[@KarliKraken]

​@@rockzen8050Can't tell if you're baiting or just completely brain-rotted. It's pretty obvious you haven't been following the development of Fallout London and are just here to talk sh*t. The entire point of the mod is just exploring the idea of a Fallout set somewhere other than in the US. It's basically it's own fanmade spinoff game at this point; yhey have their own VAs and make a lot of their own assets, they're pushing the game engine to new limits and the mod is very well stylised. The real asset flipping is done by Bethesda, reusing the same assets and game engine for almost every release lmfao. Bethesda is disrespecting the dedicated mod developers by not warning them in advance about a sudden update to an old title.

[@softandwet7584]

@@Gerlaffyignoring the fact Bethesda has historically been doing exactly what they’re asking to do, and using other game engines is standard in the gaming world The most influential FPS series besides Doom is Half Life, made as a mod for Quake 3.

[@sanssans7392]

​@@GerlaffyMore professional than some larger developers, like those who complained that Baldur's Gate 3 was too good and made them look bad.

[@N8Nefarious]

It's such a damn shame they didn't correspond with the FOLON team. This was not something under their radar. That said, so many more people are discovering or rediscovering Fallout now and may well finish Fallout 4 just in time for this shiny, juicy new mod to pop on the scene. FOLON is going to be twice as big of a deal now, lol, in terms of purely number of downloads and amount of enjoyment/playtime. Thanks to BBC for covering this, btw!

[@iamthecommentman]

We got BBC covering Fallout before GTA 6

[@newfineart]

That's the Special Relationship at work.

[@Jeff1999100]

This being reported by BBC is such a surprise!