I think what people misunderstood about Tyler’s issue with this current generation (last 2 years) isn’t so much so “not taking yourself seriously” but “not taking the art form seriously”. Tyler was obvious a young troll back in the day, but he never used the genre as an aesthetic as a stepping stone, but someone who was inspired by the greats before him, even if that work (Goblin) want the greatest.
@YoramBrizuela2 ай бұрын
Exactly, when he says they aren't musicians, while that's arguable, maybe they shouldn't be considered real artists in the way that they're not really making music as art, but as content to be consumed maybe? He wasn't as serious back in the day but he was absolutely making thoughtful art imo
@StoutShako2 ай бұрын
THIS!!! I was hoping someone would say that! There is a HUGE difference between being a goofball that likes to joke around and treating your ART FORM as a joke! As someone who clearly loves rap, it makes sense that he'd be upset about people trying to cash in on it like that!
@turboshazed73702 ай бұрын
Right. On. The. Money.
@ghosts2882 ай бұрын
he absolutely did as almost any famous musician has. his whole shock rap thing was a gimmick to get people talking about him. anyone coulda easily said he wasn’t “taking music seriously” as well.
@fatheroffrogs36192 ай бұрын
@@ghosts288yeah but that was the music Tyler listened to, Tyler liked dark storytelling albums so therefore he made dark storytelling albums. Therefore Tyler did not use a genre he enjoys thoroughly to “gain traction”.
@theboi55842 ай бұрын
The amount of people calling Tyler an "oldhead” for him taking a stab at Ian of all artists is crazy
@NenkengNenkeng2 ай бұрын
Fr 🗣🔥🔥🔥
@AlastairRMacdonald2 ай бұрын
Him knowing who Ian is kind of cancels out any old head status lol
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
And bro that's not even a stab He just said he doesn't like the lack of respect to the culture this guy has .
@theboi55842 ай бұрын
@@AlastairRMacdonaldexactly lol
@SelmaSmoke2 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!!
@Definitelynotabot42 ай бұрын
Odd future started because they DID care about music and it was out of the box creative music so it's not hypocritical for Tyler to call out people today who make music for it to be a Tiktok sound rather than an authentic love for music as an artform.
@fhbb6613Ай бұрын
What are you talking about making music for Tik Tok ian is literally making more music than Tyler is now he's putting in more hours he's not making music for Tik Tok just because He has good numbers on Tik Tok doesn't mean he's a tick tock artist tik Tok is the best way for new artists to grow why would he not use that platform and it's not like he's solely making music for it brain dead take
@dusty_dogggАй бұрын
@@fhbb6613 You can't call someone braindead when you don't know how to use a fucking comma.
@majortom331Ай бұрын
@@fhbb6613 Quantity doesn't equal quality.
@ThierryVansweevelt21 күн бұрын
@@arisumego stop bullshitting yourself. Why does ian's music lack artistry ???? can u even fkn define artistry ???
@JohnMae-r1q5 күн бұрын
@@fhbb6613quantity doesn’t beat quality and Ian is a clear copycat, and is terrible at making music. It’s clear he just wants money just like ice spice, lil mabu and it’s messing up hip hop.
@FlipWarBucks2 ай бұрын
Tyler tryna stand up for the talented rap artists and hip hop artists. Many mediocre people just walked in and got big.
@blap94672 ай бұрын
Blame labels bro those mfs will push plants a lot
@-Tarzan2 ай бұрын
@@blap9467I assume labels are targeting less known/talented artist because they’re more desperate for a record deal so it’s easier to get them into a 360 contract and get more money out of them.
@jamiehovis772224 күн бұрын
@@blap9467blame people for consuming those artists.
@StoutShako2 ай бұрын
You know for a FACT that Tyler would NEVER in his life go after Yuno Miles like this 😤😤😤
@Aditya_mq2 ай бұрын
Yuno tha 🐐
@joaquin59292 ай бұрын
Yuno ain’t signed to Columbia 😂
@juicyboi25012 ай бұрын
It's august bro
@edgytypebeat7812 ай бұрын
Ngl he lowkey did when he went after meme rappers not being passionate about the craft but the question is, is Yuno a meme rapper who’ss dedicated and passionate? That’s a gray area and we’ll never know for sure
@berdansargol15772 ай бұрын
@@edgytypebeat781Yuno is a passionate memer. He definitely can make decent music that can go easily with the pop listener audience but he specifically prefers to do meme rap.
@morocuda20902 ай бұрын
Ian: "Praying I make it to Friday". Aint nobody after you dawg 💀
@default32522 ай бұрын
That's clearly a line about overdosing
@bigchumbus2 ай бұрын
@@default3252 he's not about that either lol
@difkhdxfmsmfsgm2 ай бұрын
@@default3252 or his career
@SirZubo2 ай бұрын
@@default3252Ian is NOT that GUY
@maad16702 ай бұрын
Gen Z's trying to cancel Ian? 😨😨😨
@Azxahmed2 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="60">1:00</a> - Wesley's Theory <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="347">5:47</a> -For Free? <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="562">9:22</a> - King Kunta <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="937">15:37</a> - Institutionalized These Walls <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1257">20:57</a> <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1610">26:50</a> - u <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1970">32:50</a>- Alright <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2301">38:21</a> - For Sale? <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2583">43:03</a> - Momma <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2890">48:10</a> - Hood Politics <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3248">54:08</a> - How Much a Dollar Cost <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3571">59:31</a> - Complexion (A Zulu Love) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:04</a>:07 - The Blacker the Berry <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a>:49 - You Ain't Gotta Lie (Momma Said) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="72">1:12</a>:30 - i <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="77">1:17</a>:38 - Mortal Man
@shourjamitra672 ай бұрын
To Pimp A Ian killing Melon Creator
@NettspendFann2 ай бұрын
THANK YOUUUU Wish nothing but the best for u
@V1DE0-STARZ2 ай бұрын
hello?
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
ALL MY LIFE I HAD TO FIGHT SLIGHTLY TANNED INDIVIDUAL
@MirthTheBard2 ай бұрын
That gave me a good laugh well done melons up ☝️🍉🍈
@philmstud2k2 ай бұрын
The difference is that Tyler made a joke of himself as a personality, not the art of his music.
@standingoffthecorner2 ай бұрын
PRECISELY!
@GreekayАй бұрын
🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️
@jotuunn18 күн бұрын
Meanwhile Ian is just a joke entirely
@mewgiah80572 ай бұрын
You know what’s a problem? Media literacy. Because most of what Tyler said is being taken the complete wrong way. It’s not that hard folks. He’s literally saying he doesn’t mind the meme music. It’s more so the industry who is rolling the red carpet out for them and treating them as serious artists. This is a problem as old as time. The industry is now trying to chase the next big thing and milk it into the ground. But now that memes are blowing up in record time on TikTok the industry (publishers/media) are now trying to mine it. And he’s just saying they are ignoring real artists. And of course the major issue with this is the “looking for a man in finance” girl isn’t an actual artist.
@Oscar-ek2jx2 ай бұрын
"Media literacy. Its not that hard folks." Are you aware of how pretentious you sound?
@alejandrasandoval20272 ай бұрын
@@Oscar-ek2jx How is asking people to use their mind and analyze things pretentious.... That shit is taught in schools my friend
@stellar12522 ай бұрын
Who is "the industry" here though? Like people will listen to who they want to listen to and labels will gravitate towards wherever the attention is, how is that Ian's fault?
@TwoForFlinchin12 ай бұрын
@@stellar1252 people who listen to music that's delivered to them through algorithms and popularity are basically just following what the record industry promotes. For most people, spotify, the radio, club DJs are shaping what they want to listen to
@stellar12522 ай бұрын
@@TwoForFlinchin1 you think he’s been algorithmically favored? If so, what’s your evidence?
@MalakianM2S2 ай бұрын
The funny thing is Tyler even predicted the drama in the very same interview.
@hasanabir1152 ай бұрын
That's exactly my thought when I saw the thumbnail of this video!
@daddles.2 ай бұрын
he said something controversial and predicted controversy? if my grandma had 2 wheels she'd be a bike
@MalakianM2S2 ай бұрын
@@daddles. That's exactly the problem, some people found controversy ignoring the whole message, the nuance and the thought behind the statement. Predicting drama in social media is not a feat of farsight, but it's pretty funny to me (and I'd bet for many people more).
@kadewade87262 ай бұрын
@@daddles.He literally said bar for bar he knows that somebody is just gonna make a Twitter clip with no context and not highlight any of the good he said
@bigheadsamuel2 ай бұрын
@@MalakianM2S no, he basically said the media is booty because they don't actually speak to musicians about music, just the BS around them. and when he spends half an interview actually talking about just music, fans get mad and the rest of the media just clips the nonsense and skips the actual music conversation.
@griffhay12 ай бұрын
I think I disagree with the sentiment of Tyler’s earlier career being ideologically akin to the “meme” rap he’s talking about. Sure he was edgy and goofy and whatnot, but it was always very clear he was an *artist*. On those first couple records he may not have always channeled his creativity in a manner that was mature or profound enough to really hold up today…but there was always very clearly a vision behind it.
@tariqthomas90902 ай бұрын
Agreed. Tyler had TALENT. Some of his oldest work is still very beloved like Yonkers and She. And the “memes” he created with the rest of Odd Future felt authentic and creative.
@jorgeskuf2 ай бұрын
@@tariqthomas9090 not to mention the acknowledgements from his peers by people like Kendrick Lamar and MF DOOM years before we saw what a great artist Tyler would eventually become, meaning that his peers never saw him as someone mocking rap. also people are pointing out that Tyler was being edgy in his music and as that somehow means he was making "meme rap" like Wu Tang Clan or Three Six Mafia aren't the most celebrated rap groups of all time
@13days132 ай бұрын
@@jorgeskuf Bastard & Goblin era interviews already at the very least proved that there was way more to him than his online and in person antics. how can nobody understand such a clear difference, I haven’t seen any new artist with that kind of real potential in years
@pulluponkhaleeq2 ай бұрын
When i was younger i hated Tylers music like when i was 14-15 just because of the gimmicky shock value shit i only gave him props cause he made his beats but Goblin was trash Tyler doesnt even like that album anymore Wolf was the best balance of him doing the shock value shit mixed with artistry
@Number1FanProductions2 ай бұрын
This is not true at ALL LMFAO you OBVIOUSLY were still in prek when Tyler the creator was first popping off because EVERYBODY thought he was a meme/comedian more then a true long term rapper, bro was king of vine compilations for a while it ain’t that deep
@longlivebeans2 ай бұрын
The internet calling Tyler an oldhead is making me wonder if people even know what an oldhead is.
@kalin9316872 ай бұрын
They're just repurposing slang at this point.
@gogomonstertruck2 ай бұрын
White suburban kids love to reuse black culture and terminology (look at blud, gyat, unc, etc.). They don’t know what the terms mean, they just think they sound funny/their favorite (black) artists use it. Also kinda goes hand in hand with the whole Ian of it all.
@Lonestar10172 ай бұрын
Bro is the youngest old head ever 😭
@BunnyBoyMcGill2 ай бұрын
It's almost like it's just a bunch of white boys copying slang they hear on hip-hop without understanding the proper content
@joplin44342 ай бұрын
ian fans don't, they just joined a new "fandom" after they outgrew digital circus or some other white shit
@sheilaoreilly68262 ай бұрын
Tyler has said on many interviews that once he got recognised, around 18yo, solely for being funny online - he went home and deleted everything of being silly from his online presence. Then stayed away from pranking for ages and focused only on music. I find it a misrepresentation that he was fine with being funny. No, once he realised it was overshadowing his music, he wound it back in strategically.
@brandonsheets1883Ай бұрын
Why is it a problem to make ‘insincere’ music? Music should not need to be profound in order to be viewed as legitimate. In fact, meme music can be just as profound in its own right. I don't see why people completely write it off as if it has no place. Art is a form of expression, the whole point of it is that there are no hard boundaries or rules. If people enjoy making meme music then they should be allowed to do so, I don't think it means that those people are less talented or that they shouldn't be respected as artists. What they are doing is an art in and of itself. There is no solid right or wrong way to make music.
@True_Terror_Tales6 күн бұрын
@@brandonsheets1883 "sincere" and "profound" are not the same thing. you can make a sincere joke. joshua du chene's jimmy eat world cover of apple bottom jeans is absolutely one million % a joke. it is also entirely sincere and very demonstrative of how talented of a musician he is, and shows his appreciation of music through it. making a song that sounds awful, says nothing, and is purely a means to try and get attention is not something that should be applauded. art is expression, and the best art is sincere, and something someone genuinely put their heart and soul into. insincere slop made in a factory for the explicit purpose of making a buck that says nothing, isn't interesting, and noone who worked on it gave a shit about anything but the paycheck is absolutely something to criticize and gatekeep away from things that are actually, you know, good. if you say all art is equally valid and deserves to be respected you just homogenize the entire human experience. the mona lisa is better than a bored ape, it doesn't matter that the bored ape was made using assets made by an artist. it doesn't make it worth respect.
@Stumme-402032 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="5">0:05</a> Ronnie Radke filed a defamation lawsuit against Tyler the Creator?
@kimmers_r62 ай бұрын
I dunno about Tyler but I know ronnie just filed a defamation lawsuit against this guy.
@allonblack492 ай бұрын
@@kimmers_r6it’s almost like that’s the joke
@kimmers_r62 ай бұрын
@@allonblack49 I've been trying to piece everything together and now my head hurts 😂
@LowestLaliet2 ай бұрын
Ronald Radical files lawsuit against bald teef
@CASSOBLVCK2 ай бұрын
We’ve reached the day ppl are mad at folks who created and love a culture not wanting to see it be made a mockery. That’s crazy
@jeremysmith46202 ай бұрын
*Whispering* I don't want to say this too loud and give it away, but part of you is old now. It may be more of your soul than your body, but some part of you will be yelling at clouds soon too. Every generation in virtually every musical genre (and art form in general, good lord look at the fine arts) is that way. You've just accumulated enough enough Steam Achievements in life to see it all roll over. Even Tyler, with some age on him, cares much more deeply about the artform he works within even though he was obviously always passionate. Age, legacy, and the ability to look backwards tend to emphasize these things to a greater degree since they all act like a magnifying glass. There were plenty of old heads back in the day that had very similar criticisms of Tyler. It really is cyclical. Give it 20+ years and we'll be watching the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induct Soundcloud mumble rappers and meme artists, a decade prior we'll see Tyler quite possibly on that stage as well. This dialogue will always exist in the arts and is of some value, as it does take care to remember what came before, but it is typically better accepted when it is accompanied with the acceptance that art and music do change, these days at a very fast pace, and that we don't have to throw away what came before to appreciate what is currently coming down the pipeline.
@niekbastiaans49052 ай бұрын
We live in a age of shorts which are completely taken out of context. Personally speaking, I saw one clip of this interview, and thought Tyler was kind of gatekeeping the rap culture, which I thought was hypocritical, as artists like him have changed the rap culture completely (for the better imo). After watching more of the interview I completely get his point and agree that rap culture shouldn't be made a mockery of.
@P111R12 ай бұрын
What rap culture. Tyler has songs where he graphically talks about violent crimes against women lol. That’s culture? I guess you can be hypocritical as long as you make music that people like
@PoorBritishBoy2 ай бұрын
@@P111R1 Try studying up on a little media literacy or critical thinking skills! It's wild you think Tyler condones most of the shit he writes about
@ambatuBUHSURK2 ай бұрын
@@P111R1 ahh yes it's only culture when it appeal to my sense of purity & morality. American Psycho was never culture, nor are the paintings, books or media that depict violence. One of the most famous paintings ever is literally a monster eating kids.
@hermaeus_jackson2 ай бұрын
A month ago everyone as agreeing with Kendrick about cultural outsiders trying to game the Hip Hop genre being a bad thing, but suddenly when Tyler hints at a real-life example of this hes in the wrong? For what exactly? Pointing out that a white kid thats pretending to be black is possibly a bit insulting to actual black artists?
@froglifes68292 ай бұрын
Nobody pretending to be black, and hes not doing anything wrong. Your logic is terrible by tje way. I guess blacks will never be able to play the piano, its not their culture.
@aiocafea2 ай бұрын
yeah, or that artists posturing can be in The Business, i.e. 'get the bag' but they should think how they shift the perspective of children on music? i haven't seen an ian interview, honestly i don't think tyler was talking abt him, but if what ian did *not* do is: · come out to say 'yeah artists *should* talk about their music first, and i try to respect the culture i am a guest in' and he instead: · felt perfectly described, then called out then something may just be wrong
@Bynxandethan2 ай бұрын
Serious question in what way is Ian pretending to be black ?
@Letmegodowninthemud2 ай бұрын
Culture doesn’t happen along racial lines, you have a poor understanding of what a culture is if you think culture is racially determined, its more about proxemics, and everyone now a days is listening to hip hop no matter your race
@BunnyBoyMcGill2 ай бұрын
@@LetmegodowninthemudWHITE DETETECTED
@littled59862 ай бұрын
I love it so much when Caillou uploads a new video
@fernandoparadacastillo59012 ай бұрын
Hahhaha i don't know why i thought of that Kodak line
@infamouseli922 ай бұрын
lol 😂
@V4Now2 ай бұрын
Why you gotta do him like that?😂
@sovietelmo30002 ай бұрын
LMFAOOOAOAOOAOO
@limpa7562 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="540">9:00</a> the difference is tyler was by all means sonically unique and passionate about his craft; yea he goofed around... he still does but he was able to seperate it from the art
@nickwood87622 ай бұрын
Ian’s a minstrel show, Tyler’s right and he’s not saying half of it
@guwopman35032 ай бұрын
I don’t see how people can find Tyler’s comments about “meme musicians” hypocritical at all. What I think Tyler is getting at is the lack of pursuit “meme musicians” have - or maybe he’s criticizing the direction of the pursuit not being towards artistry. Odd Future was never meme music. The members were brash, eccentric, and left-field, sure, but when it came down to music they all clearly had specific visions for what they wanted to accomplish. The focus was musicianship. It’s why the sounds that came out of OFWGKTA were so varied. Tyler’s music didn’t sound like MelloHype; MelloHype didn’t sound like The Internet; The Internet didn’t sound like Mike G. “Meme musicians” are focused on the meme as a pursuit. The music is an afterthought. I think that’s what Tyler is getting at. In this way Odd Future can be likened to Beastie Boys, for example. B-Boys subject matter was often humorous, as were their personalities shown through interviews and other press. However, I don’t think anyone could confidently argue that they made meme music because the musicianship was clearly the forethought. Same could be said for a lot of PC musicians. Anyway, I think the point is “meme musicians” don’t actually care about working on their artistry as much as they do furthering a meme (probably for notoriety for the sake of it).
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking said greatly
@lachew48282 ай бұрын
Exactly!!!!
@aiocafea2 ай бұрын
'same as PC musicians' is such a powerful line like yeah gen x's hero eminem hated soulless safe music, gen x hate soulless shock music, of course the first part will swing like a pendulum-- it's not about how you chase attention, it's that when you do have the attention, we're going to judge how you use it and what are you saying saying nothing? ok. doing nothing different musically? ok. that's something too. we're just going to judge you for it, it won't affect your sales, don't worry someone will just propose the thought that you _could_ try to do and say something, or let someone do and say things and that may be a better more expressive world
@nnhhkk8672 ай бұрын
@@aiocafea dude, OP is most likely referring to PC music, the genre (one of the precursors to hyperpop, roughly same period as Tyler's/Odd Future's debut), not PC music as in politically correct music.
@MasterAlex062 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people are taking issue because Tyler called out Ian specificially in the "meme rapper" discussion. Too controversial a pick, taints the conversation tbh. He almost needed a more extreme example like Island Boys lmao.
@feraschatila2 ай бұрын
calling Tyler out of all artists “an oldhead” is absolutely unhinged
@georged45782 ай бұрын
He is tho
@realkikimee2 ай бұрын
@@georged4578 are u 6
@InsomniBuddyTiny2 ай бұрын
@@georged4578finish middle school before forming any kind of complex thought. Thanks
@spcfl14612 ай бұрын
@@georged4578Bros a fetus. Calling you dumb young kids fetus from now on. It’s just as dumb
@manhamnight2 ай бұрын
@@georged4578 "old head is when hating on any new rapper for any reason" -you
@vincentabraham76902 ай бұрын
People need to realize that when Tyler was doing his stupid viral stuff back in the day, it was the advent of Twitter and there was no algorithm as such which people would play into. So he was genuinely being silly. What he said about rappers mocking refers to them portraying something which is not mot genuine but more playing into an algorithm.
@pgwrks41492 ай бұрын
Damn, i didn't even think about it that way. That's a good point.
@salveteinfernum2 ай бұрын
Yeah, life pre-algorithm people only ever did things 100% genuinely and nothing was ever deliberately controversial for attention. Truly an age to be alive.
@harrylane42 ай бұрын
@@salveteinfernum cone on man, you know there’s a different attitude toward making music under the algorithm than there was before
@TedBilk2 ай бұрын
@harrylane4 no there isn't, people have always wanted to copy whatever is popular, it might be easier now but labels have always been doing this
@froglifes68292 ай бұрын
@@harrylane4 Its literally the same... Did this algorythm also imoregnate your wife?
@help10542 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="139">2:19</a> to skip sponsor
@ExtremePonyMan2 ай бұрын
That's just mean
@MeLikeBees2 ай бұрын
I really feel like his "hot take" that's spreading around is linked to what he was talking about prior to this - how easy it is nowadays (NOT JUST FOR 'THE KIDS') to create a beat without knowing anything about song structure, chord progression, etc etc. So his gripe doesn't seem like to me based SOLELY ON the "meme records" but the fact that the "meme records" are so easily made and so populating the genre today because of the ease-of-use a lot of the tools have become. you can make something exactly like someone else without being original to yourself at all. he also talked about the homogenous nature of the world BECAUSE of the internet so I really feel like that's part of his gripe here specifically too.
@DoctorBC2 ай бұрын
I can’t believe they got Anthony Fantano and TheNeedleDrop in the same room.
@PEANUTWITHAHEADBAND2 ай бұрын
YEAH I CAN'T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE TYLER DA GOAT 🐐 NO CAP FOR REAL!!! *EDIT:* I typed tyler was goated. Nothing else, please don't let the comments below me fool you. ha ha ha Dang you still scrolling this comment? Good. I love you bro. No homo by the way... yep... Cool. Awesome. While you're scrolling down I have a question. You think I should put checkpoints? I think I should. You're tired. CHECKPOINT🚩 heh. did you enjoy the checkpoint? This is going to be a long one. Good luck. I'll ... ending it here, hope you have enjoyed this beautiful scrolling journey for nothing! k bye!
@islixxn2 ай бұрын
@@PEANUTWITHAHEADBAND cornball..
@Aimagecomedian2 ай бұрын
@@PEANUTWITHAHEADBANDembarassing comment
@jackofalloff2 ай бұрын
@@Aimagecomedianembarrassing way of putting it but dude isn't wrong
@cynthia98132 ай бұрын
@@PEANUTWITHAHEADBANDthats an npc comment😂
@NOBUJORDAN2 ай бұрын
Tyler said nothing wrong. People just don’t like their sheepish behavior being called out.
@SelmaSmoke2 ай бұрын
Facts
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
I mean kendrick totally backs up what Tyler said on not like us in that last verse where he calls the biggest artist in the world out for being a copycat of a bunch of big names
@reyrealrose2 ай бұрын
I liked the song with lil yachty what am I supposed to do about that
@0siiris2 ай бұрын
@@BrandonAyong theres a difference between calling out one of the biggest artists in the world and calling out a kid who just started his career. tyler will forever be my goat. but i strongly disagree with his and fantano's assessment here. really disappointing
@DG-gx8pn2 ай бұрын
@@0siirisYou completely misunderstood the point of Not Like Us and Tyler’s/Fantano’s assessment lol. Boundaries must be set with black art as our shit has been taken and gentrified for over a century at this point. Ian is just the latest example of white mediocrity overshadowing black excellence.
@nikibronson1332 ай бұрын
Anyone else never even heard of Ian until Tyler said something 😅😅 and I’m only 25
@jadamariewilliams93232 ай бұрын
I had no idea who Ian was, his music sounds obnoxious to me from what I’ve heard since Tyler mentioned him 😂
@Definitelynotabot42 ай бұрын
Me😂
@raulramirez88852 ай бұрын
I'm 22 and I'm just finding out about him. Actually I still don't know if he even has a last name
@nikibronson1332 ай бұрын
@@raulramirez8885 I think his artist name is lan like how people want just one name
@AKOUMIE2 ай бұрын
I'm in highschool and I've never heard of him until I saw this vid. Infact, I didn't know any of this was going on until now. 😭
@Terminusberminus3202 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="710">11:50</a> and just listen to that sentence for a second, an song called fucken "yonkers" was revolutionary to hiphop and changed the scene in a way. meanwhile ian is someone who i only know bc of his dicking around. theres a massive difference between fucking around as a joke and fucking around being your entire career while bringing (as fantano said) nothing new to the table. that was the point i think tyler was trying to make even if it wasnt immediately obvious.
@iivvrryy2 ай бұрын
We need to bring shaming people with no artistic integrity
@GIADALAZ2 ай бұрын
I specifically like what he said about current rap artists not caring about their artistry. Many of them focus on money and status, rather than creating something meaningful and important. Now I’m not saying everything has to be important and meaningful, more like they should CARE about the things they are putting out into this world more than they currently are.
@Nikorasu262 ай бұрын
I always looked at it like this: The barrier to get into music isn't really that hard anymore like it was back in the day. So with the advent of having more musicians/artists out there, a lot of people of differing skills enter the fray. While it's easier to put your music out in the world and make money, your discoverability is clouded due to so many vying for attention.
@TedBilk2 ай бұрын
@@Nikorasu26I think the barrier to being a big artist is the same, it's just that there are more levels of fame now
@oogskskfn2 ай бұрын
@@TedBilkI’d say what the industry wants and supports is the same. How they go about it is different. Before you’d have buildings filled with people building up and discovering talent, being interwebbed with radio shows and magazines to get the newest hints on what was coming up in the culture. Nowadays that’s all relegated to maybe 3 people who delegate the roles of all 20 artists in their team, and are tasked with somehow finding the next big thing using metadata and algorithms. So then all development, most marketing falls on the artist and their team. They’re not learning as many fundamentals to being a successful artists. They’re not being trained in the proficiency of what they’re doing as much. They’re herded from spot to spot doing sponsored ads and endorsements and featured interviews to collect on their investment as their gimmick and sound wears out as they’re genuinely never given time to develop. Sometimes artists get a chance to develop and they flourish. Other times they manage to shine under the pressure. Most times it doesn’t even stick the landing on the debut and they’re told to figure out how to go viral on tik tok without being able to release music cause that costs too much.
@3s_muycar02 ай бұрын
There have been artists, rappers esp, call out other artists for getting into the business purely for profit. I wanna say as early as the 2000s you already had some folks getting onto each other for their craft. It just not a new topic, but as the genre grows and expands I’m sure we gonna have artist of today do the same shit to future artists😅
@natethagoat61332 ай бұрын
If Ian remembered he was conflicted, you would like him more
@spongegar2 ай бұрын
Ian - Reminder [2023]
@onceisaneditor2 ай бұрын
I remember you was conflicted…
@H4GS2 ай бұрын
AHHHHHHHHH
@dromany58942 ай бұрын
Maybe if he started misusing his influence and he tried not to self destruct?
@Letitbe912 ай бұрын
😂
@cram29792 ай бұрын
Those calling him "oldhead" for not supporting 1 newer "rapper" must be unaware that he had Carti, YB, & Teezo on his last albums
@joaquin59292 ай бұрын
Ah yes playboi carti the young upcoming rapper
@TheRantMaster532 ай бұрын
Yeah Tyler respects new school rappers with an actual personality and defined style
@TheRantMaster532 ай бұрын
@@joaquin5929 in 2019 carti was still one foot in the underground
@blodiaaa69902 ай бұрын
@@joaquin5929only gen z's and gen alphas like carti, so yeah, he's for the kids
@TylerBeek2 ай бұрын
@joaquin5929 he's saying that Carti is 28 so he's a young artist
@max-lee12032 ай бұрын
I think people forget that even though Odd Future were trolls, they still showed respect and reverence for the artists that came before them in the game. And like Ant already mentioned Tyler made Yonkers as well as She, Analog, Inglorious, Treehome95, Rusty, Lone, Pilot, Okaga CA, and many other songs during his early career that showed that he has the skills to become an artist among artists. Heck, his song Odd Toddlers is a tribute DOOM
@BINGUS822 ай бұрын
I feel like Tyler shouldn’t be talked about like this, he could’ve phrased his words better, and he just got rubbed the wrong way. He’s mostly talking about the industrialization of music, and shouldn’t be called “out of touch” for his beliefs
@DANIEL_MELGOZA2 ай бұрын
In the song Massa Tyler explains how a conversation with Pharrell in Italy shifted his perspective on how he presented himself as a musician
@joaquin59292 ай бұрын
Yes
@ddlv632 ай бұрын
yeah no shit sherlock he talked about that before cmiygl
@ruruchan932 ай бұрын
@@ddlv63get that stick unstuck from your ass
@Conqyest2 ай бұрын
@@ddlv63 chill
@TedBilk2 ай бұрын
@@ddlv63why are you acting like this is common knowledge
@brysongrayy2 ай бұрын
It feels like Ian is just so bad Tyler thinks it has to be a joke lol
@joaquin59292 ай бұрын
It’s all a joke 🤷🏻♂️
@TylerBeek2 ай бұрын
Is he not...?
@bacht47992 ай бұрын
Only thing there comes to mind is “ Ice Ice Baby” it’s nothing new.. there comes someone who isn’t talented and gets famous for a moment and forget about in a heartbeat later…!
@quilodinerro2 ай бұрын
@@bacht4799Ian might not be crazy talented. But his music (in my opinion) is catchy and fun to listen to. Not everything needs to be a big musical symphony with deep layers
@munnymatt2 ай бұрын
Its just not that bad
@brightkicks_2 ай бұрын
We accepted Tyler’s bs antics back in the day because he was actually TALENTED
@nskmk2 ай бұрын
and tbh his albums weren’t just some meme joke. he was telling a story
@xMoldyMacaroni2 ай бұрын
He still is fym
@Trump_Trvmp2 ай бұрын
@@xMoldyMacaroniyou misread it, he is saying that old Tyler is talented and Ian isnt which is why people accepted what old Tyler did
@marcelthejay2 ай бұрын
@@xMoldyMacaronireading comprehension is very hard
@Liquorice_Monster2 ай бұрын
No he really wasn't, people accepted the antics because people love that shit. The same way people loved Travis Scott's antics because it created drama and controversy. People are trashy. People like trashy behavior.
@its8oclock5432 ай бұрын
I been saying this for a couple weeks now, just a couple days ago I relistened a mfdoom interview talking about how back then, people had to buy a record and then just listen to the music. they had almost nothing else influence them to pick a record, now there are so many factors which push people to listen to a song without any of the factors being connected to art
@alejoparedes23882 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="81">1:21</a> I'm seeing double, four Melons!
@enderbarsakn4650Ай бұрын
2 of them are Logic
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
I totally agree on his sounding the same argument personally Eminem said the exact same thing "I came up in a time where you had to be so different from the next person or you were labelled trash . Now a shift happened where if it doesn't sound like everything else its labelled trash by many people " They're not saying copy cats didn't exist they saying that they were not given a pass . You couldn't be a jay clone or a cheap outkast and make it big you would have been laughed at
@Gothstana2 ай бұрын
Ohhhh so that's why Recovery is Eminem's most beloved album! (It is not)
@chillyoil5282 ай бұрын
@@Gothstana?? Tf does that have to do with it
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
@@Gothstana Come again sir ?
@brandwind35452 ай бұрын
Hate to break it to you but em is literally Ian. Both aren’t doing anything relatively new. You mix an alright rapper + white, you got the best marketable product to the general population. The issue is, middle America hates admit shit like this bc, to admit it means race finds play apart in selling products
@BrandonAyong2 ай бұрын
@@brandwind3545Calling Eminem an alright rapper who's level is That of Ian is next level of dedicated hâte
@lizardscale11242 ай бұрын
Discounting Tyler’s opinion -a rap industry veteran- alone is an insane thing to do, but to act like he’s not right about Ian is even wilder. He’s just a gimmick rapper, nothing original and you can tell he’s not in it for the love of hip hop. dudes a vulture, nothing more
@Sayiiid2 ай бұрын
appeal to authority fallacy
@michaelturley82222 ай бұрын
@@Sayiiidhaha you’ll find this comment section is a hive mind. Don’t fight the mob 😂 Tyler said so and he’s popular so he’s right!
@Homesick472 ай бұрын
So what? He's making money and doing what he loves Isn't that what every other black meme musicians do? Is it cuz he's whiet that's an issue? I thought Tyler was always about doin what you love and ignoring the haters. But now he's just s hater himself. Tyler pushing 40 and its showing
@Noooiiiissseee2 ай бұрын
@@Sayiiid That's not what an appeal to authority is. For an appeal to authority fallacy to be valid, you would need to take a person's status and then use their status as a reason why they're right in an UNRELATED way. Like saying a doctor is right about something to do with the law, because he's a doctor. It wouldn't be a fallacy to say a doctor is right about something when it relates to their field, even though technically they could be. They would be wrong, but it wouldn't be an appeal to authority fallacy. Tyler is a rapper. When he talks about rap, he might be wrong, but it's not an appeal to authority fallacy.
@Sayiiid2 ай бұрын
@@Noooiiiissseee Talking just to talk, do you do that often? Tyler is a rapper, not a rap analyst social commentary guru, he's not spending his life trying to be professor skye or Fantano.
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
Someone on twitter said how post Malone dropped the whole black culture fit, Ian will do the same Rap is just black dress up for men
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
Anyone who disagrees is an idiot
@turboshazed73702 ай бұрын
No
@fairshareofdrownedsouls2 ай бұрын
@@turboshazed7370 He'll be making alternative rock in a few years. Don't take my word for it, just wait and see.
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
@@turboshazed7370 dummy
@RandomFlower4752 ай бұрын
It's the country season, even Beyonce jumped on it, but in the end, they'll back to their old form again. From many experiences, I guess Ian might use rap fame to be a film director or indie pop artist later like Childish Gambino, Quadeca, Kevin Abstract, BLP Kosher, but my guess might be wrong, he may be just a white dude that influences by rap musics on youtube and want to be like them.
@ChrisBrown-cl5zu2 ай бұрын
Whilst initially criticized Tyler for his meme rap comment <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="723">12:03</a> is the exact reason I retracted my statement, yeah he was serious in content but the actual product delivery…. And I think that what he means. The likes of Ian is learning and applying.
@smaaron_j_462 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="116">1:56</a> was he trying to bite the film off? 💀
@UncleGrandpaJr2 ай бұрын
I don't believe the man who made "Bastard" or even "Goblin" can actually be compared to what's happening in the newer landscape of rap. Yah it was very explicit but it was never sheep mentality, which is why Tyler is Tyler. 🤧
@Willow-cw9te2 ай бұрын
People come at him for making music like Tamale but forget he was making songs like “Answer” right beside them, there is no comparison. Tyler has always had artistry, even his “troll” music had artistry
@UncleGrandpaJr2 ай бұрын
@@Willow-cw9te bro made "Tron Cat" , "Earthquake" and even "See You Again" my guy and people on his dxck for calling out inauthenticity. The 2020s era of hip hop and average listener is really something else. 🚶🏾♂️
@Rebazar2 ай бұрын
Ian is like Lil Dicky if he somehow had even less charm and was even more of an industry plant
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
At least lil Dicky had jokes even if they were stupid Ian is the joke Also one piece fuck ya I’m currently at Zou loving it but hoping my second Fav Sanji comes back soon
@draco_18762 ай бұрын
Except lil dicky is actually entertaining
@BrooksOrlando2 ай бұрын
@@nikguimont8546In fairness too, Lil Dicky has some quality tunes when he put effort in. Professional Rapper with Snoop is an example. It was clever and executed well…his wordplay is actually decent. He’s had impressive freestyles too. He actually is talented. Problem with him is his act got old and redundant fast. Yeah, you’re a rich Jew with a small dick, smart in school, out of place in rap. Funny and refreshing at first. Once novelty wore off, he transitioned to TV show
@samreid34172 ай бұрын
@@nikguimont8546if sanji is your favourite, you’re going to love the next arc whole cake
@femfailing2 ай бұрын
ian will never make pillow talk 🥹
@ricopena20532 ай бұрын
This reminds me of J Cole trying to reach out to Lil Pump. Ian will be out of rotations and forgotten just like Pump is now.
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
At least lil pump had novel concepts in his songs I could explain like “ what if I wrote a song called Gucci gang and the lyrics are me mostly saying the name of the song “ all of Ian’s music is basically what if a awkward looking white guy raps like future but the productions bad and the album cover doesn’t match the music
@Doatello19912 ай бұрын
@@nikguimont8546 That wasn’t novel. Lil B was doing that almost a decade before Lil Pump burst onto the scene.
@gabrielnunez76232 ай бұрын
sure but Lil B wasn't catchy because he was always off beat (on purpose I know) and the quality of his sound was trash lol. It was all fun and memes. Lil Pump also had that amateur sound of the time but he had catchy hooks in an era when that guaranteed a hit (2015-2017).
@alexanderweyers4412 ай бұрын
the difference being lil pump was actually cocky and saying his music was better than everyone elses. im confused what ian has actually done to make people hate his personality and not just dislike his music. yall are trying to drag a 19yo artists name through the mud with only 1 mixtape out instead of practicing what you preach and trying to criticize him respectfully? make it make sense
@ricopena20532 ай бұрын
@@alexanderweyers441 im pointing out that the two situations are similar. There are differences of course mainly the appearance of the two rappers, the rapper who calls them out, and the year it takes place. The word similar means resembling without being identical. For example, butter and margarine are interchangeable in cooking but have different properties with butter being from animal fat and margarine being plant based.
Don’t reply to the comments. Leave this masterpiece as it is 😂
@GenesisJames2 ай бұрын
The thing that really gets me is that a lot of the time, rap is used as an easy stepping stone to success just because it's popular right now. Like, I have no problem with people who aren't part of a scene making that style of music if they genuinely like and appreciate it, but you get people that co-opt the struggle of the people who LIVED that scene in the process. Like, a white guy from the suburbs can like gangster rap, bling rap, west coast hip hop or whatever and make music in that style. HOWEVER, you gotta talk about shit that actually pertains to you. Use the sound that you like while still making it personal; not shading anyone in particular here, but don't talk about ops and shit when you don't have any lmao 💀I think Tyler's talking about how you gotta be genuine and understand that while you can make a specific type of music, you won't be able to capture everything about that art unless you lived the situation in which it arose in the first place. Instead, use the genre to talk about interesting things in your own life rather than sound like you're regurgitating the tropes of the genre or past artists within the genre. I don't know much about ian so I'm not gonna claim that this is what he does, but there's a lot of shitty rap out there that's clearly trying to capitalize on a trend or chase a viral hit in the laziest way possible rather than make a statement and have an identity of any kind. Tyler's also correct in the sense that a lot of viral figures that have their rap songs blow up right now don't really view rap as an art so much as a gimmick to get more exposure without proper thought into what they're creating. Tyler's early career might have been filled with trolling and relied on shock factor, but it still felt like he was trying to do something unique out of respect for horrorcore and other rap genres before him. Or, at the very least, what he was doing felt different and like he actually had some ideas for his own persona and/or sound. Like I said, a lot of rap, especially coming from influencers and former SoundCloud guys, doesn't sound like they're putting their own spin on a sound they like. It sounds like they're trying to capitalize on a popular sound to get attention because nothing else is interesting about them otherwise. Granted, I also will agree with Anthony that Tyler totally has survivor bias when it comes to "everything being more unique in the 2000's". How many Linkin Park and The Strokes ripoffs did we get back then? How many shitty pop and club tracks that faded into irrelevancy did we get back then? It had some heat but a lot of it was bland and redundant as hell lmao So I guess Tyler's not wrong in that it's a lot easier to use hip hop as a marketing trend and gimmick these days and how we're seeing a lot of viral hits that are doing absolutely nothing interesting, but he does give off some boomer vibes in his tangent about shit from 2003 💀
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
You know who were grate white rappers who rapped about stuff that actually involved them the biestie boys
@leaffinite20012 ай бұрын
I think tyler was trying to say copy cats were given less respect at that time, not that they didnt exist. But thats not exactly what he said, so eh
@redghost85002 ай бұрын
@@nikguimont8546they rapped about sht like playing boggle and throwing eggs at randos who passed their studio and they got some fire tracks!
@GenesisJames2 ай бұрын
@@nikguimont8546 Right! Beastie Boys are a great example; they were either silly and absurd to capture the fun of the production at the time or actually talked about stuff relevant to them like on To the 5 Boroughs in the aftermath of 9/11. They definitely respected the genre in a way that made them feel like a new niche in the scene rather than wannabe gangsters or imposters lmao
@GenesisJames2 ай бұрын
@@leaffinite2001 Yeah, I can see that. I guess with radio filtering a lot of the no-name imposters that helped make it seem like there wasn't as many or that they were given less time. Granted, radio also filtered out a lot of unique shit too, so I don't know if Tyler's point is as good as he thinks it is because Tyler himself probably wouldn't have been given much of a chance back then either, tbh. The Internet might give more opportunities for culture vultures to gain fame, but it ALSO lets people who are more off-kilter and against the mainstream like old Tyler gain fame, too.
@Queenperky2 ай бұрын
it was fun seeing the Ian subreddit throw a tantrum over all of this lmao
@faeriegraver2 ай бұрын
Oh god do I really want to destroy my internet history even more by searching up this stuff? I might it sounds hilarious.
@Aditya_mq2 ай бұрын
Well yeah there are all just like 14 year old meat riding losers so I would be shocked it they didn't have a big tantrum
@celery.2 ай бұрын
Ian has fans?
@diorsse2 ай бұрын
who tf is ian im confused
@shadxwsss2 ай бұрын
@@diorsse an upcoming rapper who’s known for his songs “figure it out” and mostly “magic johnson” he mainly uses gucci mane type beats, he’s alright in my opinion but by no means a goat
@paulahenk12 сағат бұрын
Tyler started out as a funny young person making music with a POV. Yonkers was a parody but it is so iconic because he still came at it as one of his titular characters over a beat he arranged himself. In everything he does, Tyler is a story teller, a singular producer and recognizable rapper. He doesn’t ride the wave, rather building his own lane. I’ve been a fan since WOLF and nearly 15 years later, I’m glad to see that his music has matured, as has he, and I can’t wait to see what he does in the future because A. He is immensely talented, and B. He manages to surprise the public with unique concepts that no one can foresee.
@Whattwa2 ай бұрын
Tyler was always serious about music, making music, loving music, the influences have carried through in his instrumentalisation across his albums even when the themes have matured
@Itznkb2 ай бұрын
Never even heard of dude until Tyler called him out
@Definitelynotabot42 ай бұрын
Me neither 😭
@edud_sonderam2 ай бұрын
This
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
I got so mad this on twitter so much How are people glazing this Ian dude so much over ONE ALBUM Someone called him what Eminem did to 90s rap he’s the new version of that Like Elvis
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
Also Tyler’s past is n/a He’s mature now
@Noctem_pasa2 ай бұрын
At least Eminem actually gained the respect of the wider community or something
@swansonjoe71212 ай бұрын
@@Noctem_pasa nem has respect for the genre
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
The Elvis comparison is really ironic because one of the reasons Elvis felt so refreshing to mainstream white America is because the previous decade and a half or so was dominated by cheesy pre rock and roll novelty music
@frostyvr6282 ай бұрын
I saw a lil kid say that Ian is gonna end racism 😭
@jadeig80302 ай бұрын
I feel like the focus on Tyler being "hypocritical" since he was a mega troll back in the day is pretty irrelevant considering that TYLER himself was ridiculous and over the top. As "the creator" he made music that told stories and pushed the norm which is why we all listened. The music wasn't just a copy of everything before him that he just took and ran with. He was an actual artist beyond the laughing. Not really sure how people are acting like he said something crazy.
@Transylvegas2 ай бұрын
Ronnie Radke takes down rockstar wannabe Fantano. amazing
@LTB0992 ай бұрын
I agree with him on the meme artists. I see dozens of aspiring musicians on yt, insta, or on the streets with incredible talent and passion trying to make it, just to be overshadowed by people shitposting. A lot of it is really entertaining, but I feel as if we should reward the efforts of people doing the real innovating.
@dylanmiller11402 ай бұрын
I think a major difference with early Tyler is even if he was irreverent he was taking his art seriously and was trying to make a point with his humor and edginess compared to making a meme record of trying to make a viral tik tok track to chase fame.
@9-b_b-92 ай бұрын
People always compare the mediocrity of anything in the present to different forms of excellency in the past. Problem is they just forget/never experienced all the garbage of the past.
@leorrocher2 ай бұрын
Fax
@jacobalanis22712 ай бұрын
Melon have u heard Kanye West’s new album: The College Dropout?
@wagswag2 ай бұрын
Please leave 2004 I miss you
@BlippiHarlemShake2 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="86">1:26</a> TWO bald people on my screen? Cleanup aisle my pants‼️
@ibnibz26362 ай бұрын
I don't think Tyler should worry about Ian. Literally nobody knew who he was before Tyler mentioned him
@WilliamWarner-zk7hkАй бұрын
ian has more streams 1 year after his first mixtape than tyler did 4 years after his dumb fuck🤣 stay mad 1 lazerdim 700 song >>>>> tylers whole dogshit career
@BigOwl512 ай бұрын
Ian is a flash in the pan. In 10 years he’ll be completely forgotten and irrelevant. He’s disposable.
@DuelingPeaks2 ай бұрын
10 is generous
@Ckproduction032 ай бұрын
Who is this?
@stellar12522 ай бұрын
Why the fuck do y'all genuinely hate him lmao
@MarkVMark52 ай бұрын
@@stellar1252because he fucking sucks
@Aditya_mq2 ай бұрын
People seem to be missing that Tyler isnt even talk shit about ian, hes mainly venting his frustrations on the people who praise and give more shine to his music than actual good, talented rappers.
@laethanelvissrajda60912 ай бұрын
tyler's worst is 10x better than ian's best
@Aditya_mq2 ай бұрын
FACTS
@Luvv4jay2 ай бұрын
He has one album out😂😂 chill
@tekno472 ай бұрын
@@laethanelvissrajda6091 listen to open hands
@aspirationrecords2 ай бұрын
Idk who ian is but theyre both sht
@Prod.bydevo2 ай бұрын
@@laethanelvissrajda6091 ian is like half dudes age bro
@nigeluno2 ай бұрын
Ian is Taylor Swift for white guys
@reallybuck2 ай бұрын
damn that’s actually accurate wtf
@mmurd2 ай бұрын
😂😂
@ilovetweek0002 ай бұрын
The homeowners association gotta hold a meeting for Ian bro
@joey71842 ай бұрын
im sorry but yuno miles is the biggest culprit of this. it was funny at first but damn it got old quick.
@liquidRkive2 ай бұрын
get a job joey i’m convinced mfs just hate fun
@OVO-Adolf2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it’s been unfunny for damn near a year now
@ante68922 ай бұрын
Not really. Yuno Miles at least has a unique sound and isn’t just copying whatever style is popular to gain the algorithm (which is pretty much what Tyler is calling out Ian for doing).
@dylancrawford1472 ай бұрын
Video starts at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="199">3:19</a>
@unforming2 ай бұрын
thanks goat
@apeheadboink2 ай бұрын
no it starts at 0:00 silly
@vincentswkim692 ай бұрын
🐐
@Reziel_azyr2 ай бұрын
As a 43 year old man it is great to see Tyler reaching “the kids are wrong” phase of his life 😂.
@spcfl14612 ай бұрын
Not was he was saying at all but okay.
@gabrielnunez76232 ай бұрын
There are 2 sides of the argument that are lacking reading and listening comprehension and you're on one of them.
@spcfl14612 ай бұрын
@@gabrielnunez7623 Precisely. Critical thinking is dead in the U.S.
@aiocafea2 ай бұрын
it honestly feels like he talks to the artists as equals, like 'the kids will follow you, think about what you do' maybe that's the same but i'm 21 and i see how me growing up with ians everywhere maybe i coukd also not have seen rap as a place of self-expression or powerful message also the kind of artist he describes, idk if that's ian, but that says in the interview that they don't care about this music, they would put the final nail in the coffin like 'oh ok this is a transaction'
@Reziel_azyr2 ай бұрын
@@gabrielnunez7623 work on yr joke comprehension there prickly pants 😂
@himynameiscorey2 ай бұрын
Nostalgia is so much more idealized largely because the more homogenized artists are largely forgotten. Of course you’re only going to remember the successful artists that stood the test of time! I think this phenomenon is relevant amongst all generations.
@JinatiousАй бұрын
Tyler even in bastard, album had a story. Yes it was jokey but it had a thematic flow, it was created with care. The music itself didn't take itself seriously, but he took the craft serious in nature.
@kn152-k4u2 ай бұрын
The fact that people are fangirling over this guy even though his album was absolutely atrocious says a lot about the state of music
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
Not just that but these people are the most toxic fans I’ve ever seen
@dylanmiller11402 ай бұрын
I always love that Tyler is passionate and willing to throw his thoughts out in raw form. He’s not always right but I just appreciate his willingness to communicate and throw feelings out there to be discussed.
@JStack2 ай бұрын
Tyler said there’s no art in the art anymore. You can only get upset by that if you’re one of those people using music as a profit widget rather than expression of self. Probably esp close to Tyler, who has healed through music and we’ve been able to witness it. Flower boy was personal and sonic growth. He looks around and doesn’t see other artists getting that satisfaction or their fans.
@xMoldyMacaroni2 ай бұрын
hating on tyler for being "hypocritical" when the albums they say are meme albums are genuinely serious
@alexjwefduisdhfishsdfjnbjrefin2 ай бұрын
I don’t think every project or song or even artist in general is supposed to be peak art. A lot of the stuff is just for entertainment purposes and is just fun to listen to. That goes for Ian as well as a Ken Carson or more popular people like Lil uzi. Their music isn’t supposed to be great and they don’t treat it like that it’s just fun to listen and vibe to and still has its right to exist.
@marcoantonioglezv47672 ай бұрын
So Ian is the new Jack Harlow?
@turboshazed73702 ай бұрын
Diet Jack Harlow Zero
@SirAbyss2 ай бұрын
He's less Jack Harlow and more Lil Mabu.
@peterstanchev31562 ай бұрын
Not a fan of Jack Harlow but comparing Ian to him is offending. Atleast he has charisma and some smooth flows occasionally
@sombredoesntexist2 ай бұрын
@@peterstanchev3156 fax bro must be on smth😂
@turboshazed73702 ай бұрын
@@SirAbysshe's way more cringe holy sh- 😂
@somedude152312 ай бұрын
So Tyler basically just matured. He going through that thing where shit you like, or find funny or cool, when you're younger no longer something you like, or find funny or cool. Cuz he's older, and a different person now, than he was during his younger, more destructive years. Also I do feel like he'd earned her right to be critical of music a little bit, being someone who lived through criticism and found success, while getting better as an artist.
@drhall3432 ай бұрын
You either die a Mac Miller or live long enough to become a Joe Budden.
@sunkissedchaos2 ай бұрын
bruh 😂
@IanOPadrick2 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="690">11:30</a> I'm sorry, I'll do better I promise. Please stop being mean
@WilliamWarner-zk7hkАй бұрын
Tyler discovered chords 7 years ago and has acted holier than thou ever since.. he literally WAS a meme
Missed opportunity to use Cal Chuchesta, Tyler's biggest fan, during the Factor ad
@jacksonmasco2 ай бұрын
i feel like this conversation is a good representation of Tek lintowe's "My tek lintowe" "unlearn" & "Soldiers" are some of my favorite pieces of electronic music, while basically the rest of the mixtape is basically soundcloud meme rap i think it's truly a different experience for what so many different fandom of genres want, and even aside from that tape there's plenty of "comedic" rap with insanely good production
@JamsandTeaАй бұрын
Feel like a lot of the nuance of this is going over people’s heads when people are willfully misrepresenting what Tyler even said, which he humorously said will totally happen in this very interview. He’s not even saying ‘hey this sucks’ or ‘hey this wrong’ he explicitly says ‘this shit is weird and I don’t know how to feel about it’ and if you don’t see why a largely self made guy who loves art as much as Tyler does would feel weird about artists with *significantly* less investment in that art form are being rewarded constantly by people who will only ever engage with that art and nothing that inspired it or within its realm. It’s the issue Eminem has had with his own audience for twenty years now. He knows his records will be bought because he’s ‘the white rapper’ and not for literally any other reason. The only reason Tyler’s music is interpreted as ‘memey’ by people arguing against him is because he was juvenile and edgy when he made it, none of that stuff was ‘memes’ to him. It was always art, even if a lot of it doesn’t hold up today.
@yani24992 ай бұрын
This whole situation makes me want to listen to Basterd & Goblin again.
@ErasMcras2 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="160">2:40</a> so its a trump interview?
@LucarioDXAuraStorm2 ай бұрын
FINALLY!! I had restless nights for the last 4 days, trying to figure out whether Tyler was right or wrong & old about his take on rappers like Ian. I thank you Fantano for finally uploading us your take on the situation & forming a correct opinion for me. I hope I see you in my dreams tonight, my baldish king. 💕☺️
@alecadabra_2 ай бұрын
First Fantano ad read skit??
@Pratalax2 ай бұрын
"as somebody who was older than tyler during that point in time" Dude my back's days are numbered, tell me what you know!!!
@alleyezonlucid12 сағат бұрын
I really love how much he cares about his craft and its depth and intention. While I agree that anyone who does music can be called a musician, it is not the same as being a true artist. Tyler always had this unserious persona but the art couldn't be more serious. It is important to have this conversation nowadays and bring awareness that there's artists and there's content creators, and that's fine. I personally feel like it is more needed than ever to really focus on the intent behind the art and work on meaningful art pieces, specially because we live in the age of distraction and all these people making music just because the money are a byproduct of it. It is harder than ever to focus and be really creative, and that's why I feel like it's a true act of rebellion that can be of huge impact.
@containercore68322 ай бұрын
I don't really like this tendency to slap the "out of touch" label on an artist when they criticize the direction their medium is headed. You can disagree with their viewpoint, but it's sort of become a way to invalidate a person's position without really making any kind of argument.
@nikguimont85462 ай бұрын
Agree especially when the artist isn’t that old
@_Vaal_Hazak_2 ай бұрын
Finally. I was beginning to worry I'd have to form my own opinion on this subject
@josh-qj2zu2 ай бұрын
I think Tyler is absolutely right about Ian, but one thing I also do know about newer Tyler with interviews is that he’s not exactly the best at translating his thoughts. Like how in this interview, as he goes in on Ian, which is totally valid, but he goes in on “people who don’t actually care about the music,” and goes on tangents about how there weren’t these types of artists in like 2003 or something. His kind of callback to 2000 like there were not at least a few artists somewhat similar to Ian who wanted to take advantage of their status and hip hop’s name to make bad music I think was a major part of the reason why people consider his comments “hating on the youth” kinda thing. And the thing is, the most obvious way that people might see Tyler’s kind of argument as not only hating on Ian but to people who actually do care, is that Tyler’s arguments are close to the arguments against mumble rap, how people will claim that “mumble rappers” only care about fame and money and have bad lyrics. Is Ian a culture vulture who only cares about making a quick buck? Yeah, probably. Does anything someone like Playboi Carti or Travis Scott makes completely blow Ian out of the water? Yeah! But I think the main point is that this rhetoric is mainly just flawed. As I’ve said I feel Tyler’s always has struggled to put his thoughts into words in interviews, and in this case I think for many people it feels less like Tyler’s attacking the culture vultures and more like he’s on some bs rap hater philosophy
@purplehaze24442 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="319">5:19</a> Just to be clear, by "Meme Record" Tyler's talking about artists that put 0 effort into their music besides showing up and saying garbage lines into the microphone. Not music like he and Odd Future produced from the ground up when they first came onto the scene that while being vulgar, still had a level of depth to them newer artists today wish they could have.
@purplehaze24442 ай бұрын
to be clear again; I know there's newer artists that have depth, however the majority of them are not mainstream like the one's he's referring to.
@3493Hasan2 ай бұрын
Hearing Tyler end his comparison of rappers with “Julian from the fucking Strokes” caught me off guard <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="380">6:20</a>