Fantastic Beasts Crimes of Grindelwald ENDING EXPLAINED - Did Grindelwald Lie?

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How does the final scene of Fantastic Beasts Crimes of Grindelwald change the Harry Potter timeline as we know it? Did Grindelwald lie to Creedence about his family origin? (One last spoiler warning!) Erik Voss breaks down the ending of Crimes of Grindelwald, explaining how Creedence (Ezra Miller) being related to Dumbledore (Jude Law) doesn't totally agree with the timeline of events laid out by JK Rowling in the Harry Potter book series. What alternate history would need to occur for Aurelius Dumbledore to truly exist? How was MacGonagall teaching at Hogwarts in 1927? How could Grindelwald see the future of events from WWII and the Cold War? What does this mean for the Fantastic Beasts movies going forward?
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[@axiomaticisak4350]

actually, dumbledore didn't kill Grindelwald, he imprisoned him until Voldemort killed him in 1998.

[@aansania9236]

Ofcourse he didnt , albus loved grindelwald

[@jamesmonkey97]

the ciciw wakwak Who doesn’t love Johnny Depp manly face?

[@Kylesaystuff]

Antarcticite actually grindelwald showed up in Harry Potter series.. Harry Potter 7 part 1but only a few second and they changed the story from the book Voldemort didn’t kill him

[@dxredeviled6880]

Correct! Thanks for pointing this out!

[@fabiandere9120]

@@dxredeviled6880 and he didn't tell Voldemort to redeem himself in the books. The next three movies will be so epic

[@fahada.979]

Minorva McGonagall negative 20 years old 😂

[@macqueenzi]

Maybe great great great grandma or whateva 😂

[@muhammadmansur4448]

😂

[@rhondondeezy]

I don't understand how Grindelwald knows Credence is a Dumbledore, when in the first movie he didn't even know Credence was the one he was looking for.

[@raleighyadhe5500]

lol lets wait till the 3rd movie in 2020😂😅

[@rhondondeezy]

@@raleighyadhe5500 right lol

[@WritingGeekNL]

He was probably looking for Ariana's Obscures.... Notice how much he thought that it was one of the girls he was looking for....

[@rybelknap]

He could have found out after

[@claudiacon]

I believe that he is lying because he want to use Credence's obscurus to kill Dumbledore.

[@teeenahbeeenah]

I think Grindewald was able to call the phoenix because he and Dumbledore made that blood vow thing. Totally playing him.

[@ambert.3792]

yes. right here.

[@OverWims]

but in that theory it would come because grindlewald has dumbledores blood on him...but he lost it earlier to a niffler...

[@teeenahbeeenah]

Hmmm true but is that how it works? In Harry and Dumbledore, they didn't need the container. Wonder how that works. We'll see!

[@claudiacon]

Exactly!

[@dikzak7551]

Seems nice

[@ratgirl669]

Bruh...is no one gonna talk about how he weaved in that sponsorship

[@sirenblack]

If Albus didn’t know he had a brother how the hell did Grindelwald? 😂 I think he is just lying because Grindelwald needs someone else to kill Albus much like what Voldemort does much later on

[@jamesn3122]

JK has already hard confirmed Grinde isn't lying

[@chickadeestevenson5440]

There might be some reincarnation at play?

[@GUKilljoy]

@@jamesn3122 Half Truths are not lies but aren't the truth either.

[@natepackard2574]

There is a ace at the french ministry of magic to find out

[@Azenithf]

Perhaps Grindelwald didn't realise until later too

[@smwad7103]

Grindelwald: look at the muggles giant bomb than can blow up cities we must stop them from having such power. Proceeds to try and blow up all of Paris in one swipe of his wand.

[@michaelhoehne1903]

I love all the content! I’m so glad that you’ve done things about The Crimes of Grindelwald!

[@taron1868]

Michael Hoehne yes

[@derpyderp6375]

So Dumbledore is able to brake the blood truce and from their final fight is when he obtains the elder wand?

[@liamwoodfield5310]

Grindelwald is a confirmed seer

[@mattea7444]

@@winterwolf211 He is a seer, but is not skilled in the art of divination, because he could not fully make out events, and only had glimpses. This was confirmed in the first fantastic beasts when he was able to see Creedence's obscurial power in the future, but could not determine that the obscurial he saw was in fact Creedence and not his adopted sister. He showed this again in the sequel when he saw events in the second world war but could not determine whether or not said events (like the atomic bomb) would occur in Europe or on another continent.

[@mattea7444]

@@winterwolf211 ya I get that, I love the series despite its flaws but honestly jk needs a cowriter

[@JacobKossman]

They didn't explain it at all but the way he saw the future was with the skull hookah haha

[@yournextlevelsecrets]

This was going to be my exact words: skull hookah.

[@Pioneer674]

That part was actually pretty funny lol

[@remington1844]

What is that thing anyways? Any references in HP?

[@colonelsanders1611]

Why couldn't Grindelwald have planted the baby phoenix for Creedance to nurture. That thing could actually be a chicken. All Creedance has is a deceiver's word and a bird that a wand was waved at.

[@devinsalerno6483]

Yeah but the pheonix thing doesnt mean anything to creedence

[@sithmaster1119]

There's just one mistake in this video: Percival didn't die in 1890. He died in an unspecified date AFTER 1890. For all we know, he might have spent 50 more years in prison and conceived Aurelius in prison. Then, of course, the baby couldn't spend his life in prison, so he was given up for adoption. The Percival route is still possible. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed the McGonagall thing though.

[@safire309]

personally, i think the baby that Leta swapped for Corvus was just some rando. And that Credence/Aurelius has a completely different story

[@unknownfury7672]

I think Grindelwald will use credence as a way to kill Dumbledore, until he (Grindelwald) finds out that Dumbledore was able to break the blood-pact that Newt gave him, leading to the legendary duel in 1945

[@maxxwell8]

That duel must be in the last movie

[@logansnelbaker3252]

UnknownFury 7 duel in 1945? You mean Germany’s last stand against the allies where Hitler kills himself in the bunker (his wife kermits too) and Germany’s sending kids at very young ages to fight like 18 year old soldiers

[@unknownfury7672]

Logan Snelbaker of course

[@karmadrumsticks]

👌👌👌perfect👌👌👌

[@rossdelman641]

Lol albus wont die

[@kaixiangzhao8272]

The shipwreck scene took place in 1901, I found it from the original screenplay. So this means Credence has to be around 26 years old 😅

[@thekylleroberts]

So Leta would have been 3-4 years old carrying around a crying baby unattended on a ship 🤨

[@chrissabal7937]

Since this is supposed to be a series of Fantastic Beasts, I'm willing to bet that the phoenix will have the power to break or dissolve the blood pact. It would be a good integration of the Fantastic Beasts story line into the Grindelwald story line.

[@Cal619Guy]

Loved the movie. The special effects and the movie was AWESOME for me. It was magical. I was amused... 😂

[@fulcrum2867]

Grindelwald saw the bomb because he is a seeer

[@thulanihlatshwayo78]

Stony I screamed this and disliked the video.

[@cmanley2]

J.k. herself said he is a seeer and a liar.....also he saw the bomb because he smoke some bong head and blew smoke around. Also, he brought up the bomb, but then makes fein fire that will destroy the whole city if not stopped.....what....so does he care if everything is destroyed or not?

[@jessienorwood7893]

Ohhhhhh I didn't know that! Its very intresting that Eric didn't include that, maybe because this video was made a cpupke of weeks ago but thanks for the cool information 😀😀

[@katrinaheller7664]

No. It's a wishful thinking because this is a stupid plot twist. It's not the first retcon from Rowling.

[@jupiteribearian737]

Always well put together content and easy to understand. Thank you Eric V

[@katherinesmith8763]

It's possible that IF Credence is in fact a Dumbledore that he is Aberforths son, as he would be in his forties at the time the film takes place. Just a thought.

[@st0pcaleb]

🤯

[@tayloryoung6515]

But Credence doesn't look like a goat..

[@Maathipan24]

Maybe Ariana’s son, and the obscurial got passed on?

[@sliythroat8303]

Taylor Young have you seen Ezra Miller with a beard?

[@drobin8820]

The keyeord here is “brother”. Grindelwald said that he’s Albus’s _brother_

[@sheenapalmares5579]

I didnt like how they portrayed mcgonagall in this movie :(

[@goodolrebel4134]

?

[@That182dude]

I'm pretty sure its not the same McGonagall maybe a relative though. There's another instance like this in the original series that doesn't line up with the time line either so i'm thinking its just a common name or McGonagall has had a lot of relatives heavily involved with hogwarts. Heres the example i.imgur.com/6ubRJzD.jpg

[@hastalavista3814]

Its minerva s mother

[@Azenithf]

If it was minerva, I wish they had casted a taller actress. Does magic allow you to grow overtime? lol

[@st0pcaleb]

Rip the half elf lady 😔

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

poor bugger

[@spiderlily723]

For Kendra to work, she'd have to die at the sea. And travel on the boat alone. So yeah, a manipulative lie is all it is if Rowling wants to keep any pretence of caring about continuity. The whole movie is basically 'let's fix this plothole! fid it create five more? doesn't matter! fix them in other movies! or interviews five years later!'

[@travellerinthedark]

Good, comprehensive rounding-up of the questions surrounding the reveals of the film!

[@livtheolive3888]

Wait I have a theory maybe dumbeldores dad didn’t die in Azkaban and escaped ran to another country cause they would be looking for him but because no ones ever escaped they didn’t say anything just said he’s dead with Sirius their is some one else in charge so he said that someone escaped ok ok and maybe dumbeldores father got married and had credence and remember if they found his body like he’s a wizard you don’t know what illusions he could of done

[@michaelhoehne1903]

You got a point there, I guess we’ll see what Rowling has in store for us

[@mariposafeenix]

You guys are great!!!!

[@rajarshighosh1857]

Tremendous video. One of your best, Erik!

[@babystomper5188]

I have been waiting

[@clefang7568]

1:29 *Footage of EM being adorable* "And he clearly isn't!"

[@LeviHeatonIII]

I think the answer is that JK has pooped all over continuity in exchange for fan service in an attempt to attract more casual movie goers to this film series in addition to the Harry Potter faithful.

[@IAmVianca]

I'm sorry, everything you just said went away when you made that Pierce Morgan joke. That killed me. LMAO. Thank you. I needed a good laugh.

[@gcruz2293]

Patiently waited for this 🙌

[@arnavvirani9873]

As a Die-Hard Harry Potter fan who has read all books countless no. of times, I did not like the ending at all

[@william2960]

My opinion is creedence is just ariannas obscurial stuck in his body, a magical virus that retains the chaotic mindstate of previous hosts

[@S4sch4_97]

First: Obscurial refers to the person, that is possessed by an obscurus. And second: From all we know, an obscurus can't just change bodies and possess someone alls. It's the uncontrolled magic of the person itself. So Credence' obscurus is just credence' suppressed magic

[@rudydees2478]

@@S4sch4_97 then how did newt capture an obscurus outside of a body in the first movie.

[@Thoma150]

an obscurus is meant as a parasite being, living from the suppressed magic and causing its hosts early death. in the first movie newt got accused by the ministry for his obscurus. harmless in its current constitution and not usable as a weapon, even if newt had released it.

[@abhilashchavan1190]

But nobody lived with obscure after the age of 10 and credence is exception he must be true blood line great wizard like the dumbledore family

[@jamesn3122]

That's not how they goddamn work

[@cammisster]

I would love to see you guys make a Harry Potter rewatch type of thing like Sam Basher’s MCU Rewatch stuff!!

[@Citizens_Tube]

Really like the video!

[@abbycavizo6246]

saw the movie tonight.. thanks for clearing stuff up!

[@Want300]

As for Grindelwald having potential knowledge of WWII, I assume it is similar to how insightful Dumbledore always was later on... Like with Ron and the Deluminator, or how in Goblet of Fire, he had the brief gleam of triumph in his eyes when he found out Voldemort used Harry's blood to regenerate (because he knew right then that Harry might not have to die in order to remove the part of Voldemort's soul from him).

[@ross_7615]

That’s the problem with prequels. They need Dave Filoni to help them with timelines

[@Toradono]

I haven't watched the movie a second time yet. But what if Credence is a cousin of Dumbledore? There is a Honoria who's the spinister aunt of Albus, Aberforth and Ariana. Apperantly she's mentioned in The Tales of Beedle the Bard.

[@xoxopuppies12xoxo]

That ending really did surprise me which I wasn’t expecting. Can’t wait for the next movie 🙏🏻

[@ambernicole8300]

Loved this movie and love your videos

[@friendship6668]

Sooo good! !

[@lornapolaris2920]

HAHAAHHAHA omg your jokes though...had me crackin 😂😂😂

[@AbrahamArthemius]

I always think that movie adaptation from books are two separate entities.. Much like Lord of the Rings trilogy which have more than a couple key differences with the novel, Harry Potter also have some differences to its book counterpart since we can't realistically put everything from a book then jam it into a 2 hour long movie. The story will be a mess and changes will have to be done so it better suited for watching. The details about Dumbledore's lineage, his feud with Grindelwald, or McGonagall's age weren't told that specific in Harry Potter movie saga and most who only follows Harry Potter through the movies won't really mind those timeline issues.

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

So your saying McGonnagall was 80-ish during the events of HP? Yeah, I can live with that. The Percival stuff is still wack tho

[@starlingwatch3921]

Did I miss the #sponsored notice during the in-line commercial? I love your videos, the writing and criticism is SOOOO good. The commercial takes away from your content.

[@diamondbackdt]

The Professor Minerva we saw is the GRANDMOTHER of the Minerva we all know and love. Check out Pottermore. Also he had the magical fortune telling skull ...

[@ananyaneralla5382]

Yes!! This is the type of intelligent conversation I signed up for!

[@anikamash]

Can y'all do a Video on the Easter eggs and references for this movie please.

[@gibbysgaming9346]

As a british person, yes you take Piers Morgan, and that accent at 10:17 isn't yo bad

[@chinacat4454]

Good job

[@TheresaWheeler]

I think the chronical inconsistencies will be explained by time travel. I'll reserve judgement on that. AHS and Hold the Door affected my time travel enthusiasm.

[@xMyLittleRabbitsx]

That is what I was waiting for 🤗

[@CarlosTheEinherji]

0:24 it's Credence spelled with one e After watching it again, Grindelwald didn't say Aurelius was a brother to Albus. He just said he was a Dumbledore

[@ritikamudabidri7680]

But they cut to Dumbledore when Grindelwald said his brother was after him (or something like that).

[@noahh.9151]

Grindlewald was confirmed to be a seer. Thats how he knew about WWII.

[@morgan9775]

Are you going to do an Easter egg video for the crimes of Grindelwald

[@ashleybenoist411]

Credence (Aurelius) is 26 in Fantastic beast 2 according to the harry potter wiki which says he was born in 1901, which means it is impossible for him to be Kendra or Percival son. it could be possible that he is Albus's son for Albus would've been 20 since he is 47 in Fantastic beasts 2 and was born in 1881. Or most likely Grindelwald lied. BOOM

[@joshkw2328]

Maybe credence is an adopted child and he contracted the obscerus from ariana that made him more like a brother than others.

[@mastercard102]

Apparently Aurelius is supposed to be an easter egg referring to Richard Harris's role as Aurelius in Gladiator to honor him as the first Dumbledore on screen.

[@455imtiaz]

I wanna know where you got the shirt...

[@RoxaneJ14]

Lord. I came for answers. Now I'm even more puzzled Great video and analysis as always

[@kendrasays393]

This is one of your funniest videos Voss.

[@gogobabydoll1697]

more videos about the FBCOG please!

[@johnharrison4735]

Newt asked Dumbledore, if he could destroy the blood-pact and he said something like „Maybe“.

[@MrGlenbw]

I'm beginning to doubt the next 3 FB movies would be any good after that bizarre Pottermore twitter fact about wizard toiletry. Whatever is going on in J.K. Rowling's mind, we'll probably never know.

[@jamesn3122]

Lolol "she's usually pretty good about that". Yes, the Queen of Hindsight is so great at "clearing things up"

[@maesings1708]

Can anyone suggest a good website to watch these please??

[@petershepherd9795]

you sellin watches halfway through the vid

[@malikolawale6498]

What if Credence is the obscuris of Dumbledore when Ariana died.

[@VoudouChannel]

My head hurts after this video.

[@garyhobbs9481]

Did anyone notice this was an advert for a watch dressed up as a movie review?

[@mrsmodest]

Aberforth as an intermediary for the spells between Grindelwald and Dumbledore made me laugh. Brilliant haha

[@orien2v2]

It's the same Obscurus, that's why there's some Dumbledore in Credence. He's just a vessel for a parasite. See how Voldemort carries Lily's protection because of Harry's blood? How magic works is it usually binds something to something. Voldemort & Harry, the blood pact, curses, spells, phoenixes to bloodlines, servants to masters, wand ownership etc so I can see some sense in Obscurus being a carrier for spells or pacts as well. Anyway I've moved on after Goblet of Fire because I never liked what happened after that. Now I'm just watching it for that Hogwarts nostalgia.

[@jesperolsen5443]

The opening scene in fantastic beasts the crimes of grindelwald, shows nine Magic wand. And in the middle is the elder wand

[@grossboss3218]

Could you do a timeline for these series, cause there just doesn’t seem like there’s enough time for dumbledore to get that old

[@TrueNorth1217]

The first Harry Potter movie takes place 64 years after Crimes of Grindelwald.

[@grossboss3218]

Ohh okay thank you, because my aunt confused me saying dumbledore was like 300, must’ve been confused with yoda

[@RedEveTillDawn]

Luca Grossi yeah, dumbledore was a little over 100 when he died in 1997

[@grossboss3218]

Oh yeah, that makes sense since he’s around 40 in this movie. Thanks for helping me understand the timeline cause my aunt and I where confused as hell

[@johnigno8211]

He was 45 years old in this movie. And Flamel is exactly in his 600th.

[@lucaslefty22]

For me, the ending fell flat. It seems the big reveal was meant to be the big Woooa, but i sat there thinking, what that's it?

[@King_Carp]

The obscurus in Credence Barebone is the one from albus's sister ... he later captures the obscurus in the deluminator .

[@jaspalsandhu6109]

Grindlewald has the Elder Wand!

[@annamuller4231]

Are you going to do a Daredevil season 3 episode?

[@bloodyredfox]

wasn't grindelwald said to be a seer? i have read about this theory in many fanfictions lol

[@LCballer10]

I think that can somehow obscures can be multiple wizards and witches that they affect. I also believe obscures powers seem similar to that of nuclear/atomic bombs that will be developed later on in the timeline.

[@redacted4909]

Could the dumbledors be the three brothers of the deathly hollows?

[@aaronsorio1853]

Now all of these Crimes of Grindelwald billboards that say "Who will change the future?" make more sense to me.

[@alexgd3000]

1:59 if credence was born out of wedlock and the father wasn't present, then his mother would probably want to keep the dumbledore name so not to be reminded of the father.

[@dxredeviled6880]

I totally agree that Ariana was an obscrus. It makes sense and fills up major plot holes. I believe some of these theories, some I’m a little skeptical about, but that’s my opinion, don’t take offense from it. I’ve watched a lot of your videos and believe most of your theories. Keep up the great work and don’t stop theorizing!

[@jackdobrowolsky2315]

Don't you remember that Dumbledore said to newt that he would try to destroy their blood pact

[@tejael1]

Bout frickin time guys

[@kristihardin-smith3515]

Dumbledore didn't kill Grendelwald in the 1945 dual. He died in 1998 after Vildemort questioned him about the whereabouts of the Elder Wand.

[@XiledTheGreat]

Love the deep time Turner talk Of minerva!!! Let's talk Talk lmao

[@kartavyanagpal]

Is it possible that these movies might actually be an alternate timeline? Maybe something caused due to how much Albus Severus turned time in the Cursed Child? The trailer for the movie did say that "the future will change." Is it then possible that this isn't even the same timeline anymore and events will play out differently leading to a very different current day scene with Harry Potter?

[@nutzhazel]

That's interesting..maybe they want to make a cursed child movie after this trilogy ended?

[@nuttydishwasher5377]

As if it isn't already confusing enough without time paradoxes.

[@yaredverschoor]

That could be true, but I doubt it a lot cause that would just be way to difficult and I don’t really feel like you should look at cursed child for thing to base other theory’s on cause the cursed child was just awful and I feel like not really part of the HP story

[@nutzhazel]

@@yaredverschoor Yeah I guess..cursed child was funny. Really can't get over the whole movie plot lol Need to wake up 4 days later and decide 😀

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

@@nutzhazel this is gonna be 5 movies

[@edwinvanooijen7749]

Grindelwald was a Seer. This means that he can seen the future.

[@OrangeHatReviews]

I have a lot of questions as of the spells they were using.

[@glaze_cs7279]

Notification squad💪💪💪

[@devonvance5153]

Could the pheonix have been a raven the whole time and maybe Grendelwald transfigured it to look like a pheonix just so he can convince Credence to fight against Dumbledore, but ensure Dumbledore doesn't fight back?

[@memsmetin2124]

Can anyone please tell me what the black silk thing was that covered paris?

[@danielm4098]

Love your piers Morgan gag, please keep him in the US!

[@aSkeptik]

Does anyone else think that Credence could be a Riddle? Either having a kid with or passing down Nagini as a family pet for Tom Riddle before turning into a horcrux?

[@dannyascuntar2483]

6:34-6:36 is the best lmao

[@flora7496]

I CANNOT wait for their duel.