Farming Simulator 17 - All about Grass and Hay - A guide to grass handling equipment

[@marksimpson5767]

Finally made 1 million dollars. Mainly working other farms. Will buy more fields and expand my farm.

[@scottmcclish3526]

Thanks so much for taking the time to put together all these videos. I have never played any of the FS games previously, so I knew nothing about how they were structured, nor the mechanics. Your tutorials have allowed me to enjoy playing rather than spend hours frustrated as I try to sort out the basics. I found this one to be particularly entertaining. The way you combined, albeit unrealistically, the different equipment inspired me. Though necessary - especially if one desires to make money quickly, I have found tending to grass in this game to be rather tedious - mow, ted, windrow, bale pick-up, fertilize... wash, rinse, repeat... A six step process that is time consuming with multiple grass fields. So, after watching this, I attached a Big Baler to the "Big-M", skipped the tedding, and took a six step process down to two - cut/bale, then pick-up. Again, not realistic, but easy money. I also grabbed the "more wheat" mod which doubles the yield of grass and straw... Perhaps a mistake. Now there are so many bales, the Bale pick-up needs to grope along at about 4 mph just to keep pace with the cycling of the stacker. But, off two small grass fields plus two more I created, I made $155K in one cutting - LOL! Anyway... Thanks again.

[@kingarthursims]

Glad I could help Scott!

[@TheJadeStorm87]

One benefit of using the Pottinger mowers on the back of a reverse drive tractor is staying cool. We run a set of New Holland mowers with a single up front and the butterflies on the back and when I get into really dry, dusty, seedy grass it clogs up the grill, the rad and everything else which causes the tractor to over heat so I continually have to go out and clean it off ever 2-4 hours. Move the mowers to the back and you don't have that issue. Then probably the bigger reason as to why you can't run 3 mowers on the front is PTO power. The game doesn't simulate this, probably for simplicity, but the front PTO doesn't have the same rating as what the engine has. For instance my T7.270 makes around 230HP on the engine and 270HP boosted from the turbo. Now the rear PTO has around 210-220 HP (not sure on specifics), but the smaller PTO on the front only has around 100-110HP. Not even close to running the 3 and if you tried to run all 3 you would stall the tractor. I know that the front PTO is just big enough to run that mower.

[@kingarthursims]

Aha - Thanks Jade!

[@ram89572]

Very informative. I've only ever run the equipment that my family has and ours is all old and small. We have an old Ford Workmaster 641 and a John Deere 1530 (I think that is the model#). I've always wondered how the modern stuff with front 3points and ptos was

[@TheJadeStorm87]

In North America front PTOs are not all that common and for the most part are overly useless. It is mostly replaced with a weight rack. There really isn't much use for a front PTO as really the only thing that needs it would be a mower but triple mowers aren't the most commonly used here. Even we stopped using them in favor of a more dedicated machine, and I have to say I wish we did it far earlier than we did.

[@ram89572]

TheJadeStorm87 Ah. Yeah no one in my immediate area has a front mower for a tractor or a dedicated mowing machine, but then I don't live in the big time farming part of the state. I know they have some big machines when you get down into south GA. Around me in middle GA everyone just uses a drag behind or a 3point mounted side mower. For years we used an old sickle bar ourselves, then about 6 years ago my uncle got a used vicon disc mower but it is a pos that you can't get parts for and he didn't like the way it cut so he went back to the sickle bar. But since he passed away, my dad uses the vicon instead of the sickle bar because he doesn't have to worry about hitting an ant hill and it getting clogged up. That John Deere can barely handle that big disc mower though.

[@robertthomas4633]

Great video as always, very informative for the newbies. Glad to see you getting back to the tutorials, they're the only reason I started FS15 in the first place! Now I've got over 450 hours on Farm Sim thanks to you! Keep up the great work!

[@kingarthursims]

My Pleasure.

[@Jholladay10]

Your video inspired me to do a 4 day controlled experiment on 2 12-meter strips (one plowed and one not) on field 25 of Goldcrest Valley mowed with the discbine and measured with the pottinger euroboss. The bottom line was that plowing made no difference, but fertilizing made a huge difference. Mowing always reverted the fertilizer level to F1 and eliminated the "needs plowing" status. In order to increase to F3 you do have to fertilize after growing stages. The F3 yield was 42% more than the F1 yield.

[@kingarthursims]

weird - plowing is supposed to make a 10 percent difference. Are you sure you had Periodic plowing on in the menu, and that you had the field in question in a "need to plow" state?

[@Jholladay10]

Arthur Chapman Yep. I started a fresh game in normal mode. I was surprised that the fertilizer made a difference and that mowing reset the fertilizer level. Give it a try.

[@kingarthursims]

I sure will - thanks for the tip Jason!

[@ThumperJunkie]

TBH mowing simulator looks really tempting

[@michaelgray1351]

Hi Arthur just going through your tutorial video's and you mention a silage video however it doesn't appear in the playlist? Has it been deleted or is it in with another section as I am having trouble with the BIOGAS Plant. I'm playing the Mercery Farm map and it mentions a BGA Hatch (I've looked on Goldcrest and it doesn't have one) Michael

[@kingarthursims]

Here is my silage video - not sure what a BGA hatch is... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqnHeWR8hM6HncU

[@michaelgray1351]

@@kingarthursims that's great thanks just checked and they have used it to replaced the siloking on Goldcrest. .Hope your feeling better 👍

[@mountainbikelife2526]

I love the 1455 and Nh 313 I luckily do not have any leased farm equipment. Nh FR. 850 is awesome for doing mass amounts of hay or grass corn etc

[@kingarthursims]

The 850 has that cool poplar attachment too

[@jamesgregory1450]

Lerning by watching Chaos!! 😂😂 this makes it way more fun too lern, then school ever did!😂 great Videos, keep up the good work!!

[@kingarthursims]

lol - Type B personality all the way :)

[@neilharbott8394]

The double + single pottinger mowers have about 230hp requirement. I found the Fastrac 3000 xtra to be insufficient even with the engine upgrade to mow an undulating field. While downhill was ok, uphill the speed dropped to below 5mph. I strongly recommend something more powerful with that set up. I upgraded to a 280hp tractor and was able to achieve max cutting speed (around 9mph) no matter the conditions - I moved the fastrac to a baler using "follow-me" - with a 3rd tractor in the middle of the convoy pulling the windrower. Yeah nice little tractor convoy. The Krone Big M will not wide swath due to a deficiency within the farming simulator code. Supposedly this is being worked on, but for now only single row is possible.

[@robertthomas4633]

Neil Harbott Very good info, you definitely need a large, powerful tractor to use the triple mower setup. I usually use the Deutz 7 series for flatter maps, or the Deutz 9 series for the steeper maps. Both with top engines of course. Good point about the Big M, why I only use it for grass and not hay. Keep on Farm Simming!

[@kingarthursims]

Yeah, the Tier 7s are where its at for the triple mower. The Valtra T upgraded all the way works too.

[@designswift4063]

Neil Harbott I

[@ceegnz]

Great video Arthur, thank you ! "Hay has a sun next to it, grass does not". Well that made me blush, I've clocked up hundreds of hours in this game and I never realised that was the sun, I thought they just put an asterisk next to it durrr :-p now that you've pointed it out, it's so obvious :-D

[@kingarthursims]

Lol - I should have mentioned it earlier in my videos, so its my fault!

[@sheeplebarn333]

it stupid the krone turns the hay into grass, I don't know if you ever did this but if you put a windrow on the front of a tractor and turn the forager on in back - you can actually hire the helper and it will collect the on its own - best to row it first and then use the smallest windrow on the rows

[@jobe4279]

Thanks for the tutorials. I just started playing this game

[@kingarthursims]

My pleasure!

[@willmusic1272]

You make it so clear

[@neilharbott8394]

It appears that you now can wrap hay, and it becomes.... wrapped hay!! I have about 16 bales of wrapped hay on my sheep farm, I was running my regular mow-ted-windrow-bale tractor convoy, and had the Kuhn round baler/wrapper attached. I'd forgotten to turn off the wrapper (a handy little mod), so I ended up with a field of wrapped hay. And of course I assumed, that it was now going to turn into silage in 2 days (as I'm running seasons). But when I stuck a fork in it 2 days later, I found it was still hay. I've been feeding my sheep with it for the last year and a half. I guess the advantage of wrapping your hay is that it will not be destroyed in a rain shower, if you don't collect it and barn it quickly enough. However, since then I've always made sure I turn off the wrapper, if I'm not needing silage as it's not so easy to tell the difference between silage and wrapped hay without a bale fork to test it with. I believe (not tested) if you're running seasons it takes "1 month" to make silage from grass using wrapped bales. So if you're running a 3 day season, grass will become silage 24 hours later. I think most of us default to a 6 day season, so we experience a 2 day wait for the fermentation process to complete. Using a longer season you would need to lengthen your fermentation calculation accordingly.

[@robertthomas4633]

Neil Harbott Good find! I've just started using Seasons, but I'll see if it's the same in the base game. I doubt it, but hey, wishful thinking!

[@kingarthursims]

I believe you are correct - it takes 2 days. Also, the wrapped hay staying wrapped hay is a function of the seasons mod. I believe that in the standard game, they are just plain silage, but I will have to check this.

[@farmercraig567]

A poker is used in a fireplace. A bale spike is used for bales. Lol

[@kingarthursims]

;) - there all pointy things :)

[@farmercraig567]

Yes they are, just giving you ahard time.

[@russellupchurch8406]

Happy subscriber man! Love your vids, you really help me understand all aspects of this game. I know this is a very late comment, considering 19 is going to be here soon, but I just got into farming simulator. So thx a lot, keep up the good work!

[@kingarthursims]

Glad to be of service Russell! :)

[@snyggfredrik]

I'm going off topic here but could find a fertilizer tutorial so here goes: How and when shall you fertilize? Is there an specific order when to use manure, slurry etc? And, after a harvest, do you always plow? I don't understand the culminator. When I use it and look at my map it says "Need plowing". So do you always plow after an harvest, and what do the culminator do?

[@kingarthursims]

In the game fertilization is not realistic. You basically need 3 stages, doesn't matter when or what, but if you want to keep it real it goes like this - Plow once every 3 harvests (your map has a mode that will show you what fields need plowing in red). Slurry or Manure before cultivation (culminator). Solid fertilizer OR weeder after first stage of growth. Spray after second stage. The cultivator gets rid of the stubble from the last harvest. Some seeders both cultivate and seed in one pass (Like the Vaderstadt Rapid) and some need you to cultivate first (Like the Vaderstadt Tempo). The description in the store will tell you "additionally you will not need to cultivate before seeding" if the seeder cultivates for you. Hope that helps!

[@snyggfredrik]

It sure did! Ty alot. I may ask for tour guidance again!!1

[@fakhrifadhlurrahman6500]

I use the same setup but with Valtra N series

[@cjhouser117]

It's crazy all the changes from 17 to 19 I broke my PC so as I wait to save up money for parts for my computer went back to 17 holy jesus just the process of making silage bails is so much different let alone the rest of the game

[@kingarthursims]

Yeah - they changed a lot of stuff for the better.

[@caesarcaesar2585]

Great vid, huge amount of in depth info

[@kingarthursims]

Glad to help!

[@matthewmcguire8772]

So I just started playing this the other day and have been skimming through ur videos. They r definitely helping, but do they go in order? Or is there an order that u world recommend watching them?

[@kingarthursims]

The playlist is as in order as I could get it. Its not perfect, but close.

[@motolife3382]

Man this video helped me A LOT!

[@kingarthursims]

heck yeah, that is what I like to hear :)

[@brianking4990]

Hi Arthur, Great Video been in rehab again thank you for teaching. Hope you had a great thanksgiving. I will be sending you a donation just got hooked up to the web again. Thank you again hope you had have Merry Christmas. Brian

[@kingarthursims]

Definitely will have you in my prayers my friend. I am glad you are in recovery.

[@mhathaway8711]

always great to watch you vids

[@robertthomas4633]

marc hathaway Agreed, Arthur is my favorite.

[@kingarthursims]

Thanks guys :)

[@wayneallwood35]

I was wondering. Is there any use for hay anymore as u can just bale grass and still make your cow food . So there's no use for the Tedder anymore

[@kingarthursims]

Wayne Allwood since the last update, you can’t use grass in the TMR mixers anymore. You have to use hay.

[@wayneallwood35]

Arthur Chapman . Thanks for reply . That makes more sense. Love your videos mate only recently upgraded from 2015 to 17 so I'm watching all your tutorials. They are a great help

[@kingarthursims]

Glad to be of service my friend!

[@ciatricseahawks601]

Can u use a tractor that can switch sides so I can drive facing backwards.

[@thelowmein9143]

A loading wagon can pick up silage off the ground? I can’t get that to work in my game

[@kingarthursims]

My bad - I meant chaff.

[@danieljohnson67]

Is there a wrapper for square bales? I saw one in your video but cant find it. Im playing on xbox one

[@kingarthursims]

The square bale wrapper is part of the Kuhn DLC. Hope that helps!

[@danieljohnson67]

@@kingarthursims it did.. just got that dlc.. thx

[@superdave6889]

arthur, the big m mower has the windrow function permanently locked in due to a fs 17 conflict or bug, so currently as of this post it is windrow only.

[@kingarthursims]

Bummer. That explains it though. At least you can still ted the row.

[@chulachaser5321]

Yep I know this game is now out dated and everyone is now in to 2019 or even 2020. But lol, I just got 2017. So, my question is. Does FREE grass or planted grass, not fertilized up to 3x fertilized, have a higher yield?

[@kingarthursims]

They should be identical - the bonus being that when you mow the planted grass it counts as 1 stage of fertilizer automatically - so you get a bonus after the first mowing.

[@chulachaser5321]

@@kingarthursims so FREE grass is the same yield as 1x fertilized grass?

[@chobbler]

Really helpful thanks. You got a sub.

[@kingarthursims]

Brian Hawes glad to help my friend. Welcome aboard!

[@lukeskywalker6691]

Hi does anyone know if bailing grass is a way to store extra grass for sheep or does the grass need to stay lose for sheep feed

[@kingarthursims]

Hi look - you can bale and store grass and still feed it to the sheep. It works just fine.

[@lukeskywalker6691]

Arthur Chapman awesome thanks for your reply. I have subbed

[@marshyjacob41]

How long do straw and hay bales last?

[@kingarthursims]

Forever unless you are using seasons

[@catyarngaming1926]

Do the pigs have to be the same color to breed?

[@kingarthursims]

They will breed, but its slower.

[@KJWiggums]

Do you know if the grass changes to hay over night on the counsel?

[@robertthomas4633]

David Johnson It does not, you must use a tedder to change grass to hay.

[@KJWiggums]

Yeah, that stinks. Wishful thinking, lol. Anything to safe money on equipment.

[@robertthomas4633]

David Johnson Definitely, I know we never tedded unless it rained before we bailed. That would be a great feature, to have grass turn to hay after a day or two. Wishful thinking for FS19 lol.

[@KJWiggums]

That's what a friend of mine said. I ask him like a hundreds questions just to keep it as realistic as I can.

[@kingarthursims]

Are you sure? It does on the PC... I would test it out because it may.

[@joen5091]

im confused. so you can feed sheep hay which is dryed grass but you cant feed them baled straw????

[@kingarthursims]

That is correct - Sheep can eat loose grass, loose hay, Grass Bales and Hay Bales. Straw is for bedding Pigs and Cows and also can be used in the cows total mixed ration as filler. Hope that helps

[@joen5091]

@@kingarthursims fresh cut grass bales or not baled= food for cows and sheep. dryed grass bales or not baled= for premix. straw not baled= beeding for cows and sheep. straw baled= for premix

[@bobbylj53]

Maybe you can help how down everything you guys said to do to feed the cows but my Mixer won’t accept grass of any kind and accepts Silage hay but not grass

[@kingarthursims]

Hi Robert, you are correct. Giants changed how the mixer works fairly recently, and it no longer accepts grass. This video was made before that change took place. So now it's just Hay, Straw, and Silage. Hope that helps.

[@adsesser]

There is a mod for PC, that lets you unload the round baler automatically.

[@kingarthursims]

Yes, but once again, These tutorials are designed around using as few mods as possible. I am sure there is a mod where you can bail wrap and collect the bales on a trailer all in one pass too, but its not covered in the video ;P

[@simfarmer1913]

i noticed you dont have have a slot limit? why is this? awesome videos by the way they help me out a ton. but im curios as to how you dont have a slot limit that makes me jealous lol

[@kingarthursims]

Ah! Slot limits are how Consoles handle limited memory. The PC version has no slot limit.

[@simfarmer1913]

@@kingarthursims Thanks for the fast reply. Makes perfect sense. Also thanks for everything you do for the Farming Simulator Community. Your tutorials are thorough and extremely helpful. Keep em comin!!

[@jordansickmiller]

At 8:57 did someone say detorimene

[@tadisafatli1353]

Great videos as always

[@redknight3439]

Hi, the tip of having the 3 tier lawnmower AND windrower on same traktor has proved Brilliant, Thank you very much. now I can have two collectors following me (fyi: follow me mod) Instant collection, is brilliant.

[@kingarthursims]

Glad it helped

[@redknight3439]

@@kingarthursims Hi, it sure did, I was wondering if u got any vids on altering moded silos? yes I have already edited the main xml, but the frazling thing still only holds same amount, this is the silage silo... Thank you for any assist u can give in advance.

[@gulfmedic1]

ok so i made a lot of straw and hay square bales but while i was stacking them i noticed they started disappearing is this normal

[@kingarthursims]

How many did you make? I think there is a limit.

[@gulfmedic1]

a lot prob between 20 and 30

[@kingarthursims]

Oh, no the limit is like 200 or 300. Its pretty high.

[@kingarthursims]

Are you using any mods, like seasons or anything else that changes the way bales work?

[@gulfmedic1]

i downloaded the silver package i think and something else from the home screen download areas

[@01lukeduke37]

How do you sell the silage bails?

[@kingarthursims]

its different on each map. On Goldcrest its the big red barn just south of the farm house (right by your silos). On Sosnovka, its a low gray building just across the street from your grain silo. On Estanchia Lapacha its right next to the animal sales facility. You can also dump the bales into the digester at the biogas plant, but that does fill up, so you are better off just using the barn.

[@willgibson9718]

Does the farming simulator 19 works for the Mac

[@kingarthursims]

Yes

[@willgibson9718]

@@kingarthursims I have a case wheel loader for fs 17 .

[@brettdeutschendorf2770]

Should have swathers and pull type combines in farm sim.

[@kingarthursims]

That would be more "American" - Hopefully 19 will have some more American type equipment

[@brettdeutschendorf2770]

Versatile farm equipment too would be nice. Great vids btw

[@turbotimthree]

I think the 900 fendt favorit can run backwards

[@kingarthursims]

The largest Fendt can - you are correct.

[@unathandavis]

I watched your video about starting a grass farm, to sell hay from the barn......All the equipment you said to buy, you're using almost none of them in this video. I'm confused now.

[@kingarthursims]

Which video for which version - Can you link it for me? Different game verisions have different equipment.

[@unathandavis]

@@kingarthursims kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33Jaq2HfcymmJo I just got the game couple days ago FS17. I'm looking for the best way to build up some $$

[@joseph-ur2ks]

grass does not turn to hay overnight in the standard game on the latest update that is a mod making yours do that

[@kingarthursims]

I don't have any mods loaded - It does on PC, but it doesn't on consoles.

[@joseph-ur2ks]

i am on PC i currently have goldcrest valley with no mods apart from the kuhn pack, follow me mod and a money mod i have being cutting grass waiting for it to grow again and cutting it again. it takes more than a night for it to grow and at no point has it turned to hay. i double checked before commenting and i have the latest patch. i have being doing this over the past few days to test the krone baler in the straw addon DLC

[@arfanafghan424]

Good brother

[@AdamBuckmantechpad1642]

they have an official big m on the beta page in-game

[@kingarthursims]

Yes, that is correct.

[@codytaggart2729]

How to sell a field??

[@kingarthursims]

Not possible in 17

[@codytaggart2729]

@@kingarthursims but you where field 14 there you where hating it

[@codytaggart2729]

@@kingarthursims or where were you hating at and could I get it

[@codytaggart2729]

@@kingarthursims and where it is at

[@jarretcormier8090]

OK so the part you skipped is what most people struggle with, The actual dumping and where and how, like i followed every step and now its just grass sitting in it and it wont empty and is to feed cows or sheep or wtf. this game makes my head fucking hurt

[@kingarthursims]

When you pull up to the feed tray a small (dump) icon will appear in the bottom right window (by the speedometer). When this appears you will press whatever key you have mapped for "dump" - If there is no dump symbol you may be at the wrong trough. If you are trying to make silage in a bunker, you have to use the "force dump" command mapped in your controls. The keystrokes change depending on your system, but you should be able to check them in the settings - let me know if that helps - if not I will make a quick video to show you.

[@jonasklevestav654]

Hej

[@kingarthursims]

Hi

[@brandonfowler374]

Why are you guys mowing hay at thirteen fifteen miles an hour when if you used a discbine you would be ripping the gear box out from all of the bumps in the field

[@kingarthursims]

Just how the game works - Everything is done a lot faster than it is in real life.

[@danieljohnson67]

Its a game braa

[@rossstrathman8328]

This game really needs swathers ☹️

[@kingarthursims]

It would be more realistic anyway.

[@Gettyrail]

you are cutting the hay field all wrong . cut the head lands first then split the field . work inside to out . you split the time in half .

[@hreyes499]

What do gay cows eat? Hayyyyyyy

[@75jdwest]

You're misusing the word "prototypical." Look it up. Every time you use the word "prototypical," you should be using the word "typical." Don't be offended, I'm just trying to make you better, stronger, faster.

[@kingarthursims]

All right,all right - Will you allow me to use it on train videos, because us model railroaders use that word all the time.

[@75jdwest]

@@kingarthursims LOL, really?! So odd that's a thing.

[@1100-t9x]

It's not even 2017 anymore. #outdated

[@kingarthursims]

Um, 2017 is the current version of the game, so #stillrelevent

[@sanctumsomega]

#moron

[@kieth7944]

#stillfuntoplay

[@MotivatedMindsetClips]

CAN I HAVE A SHOUTOUT PLS