Fast Imperial & new Feitoria! | Are they now viable?

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Hey man, thanks for the game. I realized that I needed to add bombard cannons to deal with your push. I wasted a lot of capped rams... -100 style points for bbt though 11

[@infinteuniverse]

Are you pedroblanco3257 from AOE2 HD on the steam server?

[@swankyj501]

Survivalist AOE2:DE gg mate

[@cronos351]

xd more bombard tower pls vipey

[@SurvivalistAoE]

@@infinteuniverse Yeah, that's me. Haven't played HD since DE came out though :) With more consistent play, I should be able to reach the bottom of the top 100 in DE.

[@marcosyy87]

GG! Are you portuguese?

[@taseti3607]

(32:08) Don't mind me, just going to pass through this Feitoria.

[@ninjaturnip9215]

just passing

[@crappymccrappen4897]

apparently at 199 population you can build 1 feitoria and go to 219 population

[@sgtpepper8581]

In HD apparently at 160 you can't build it

[@cheng1991]

But then you can't make any more units to fight，right？

[@crappymccrappen4897]

@@cheng1991 But bombard towers are buildings not units, righter?

[@cheng1991]

@@crappymccrappen4897 OK

[@kr-sd3ni]

what if we make 200 units and then make fetorias?

[@Wobbuffet0]

"I am going to make this the longest game ever. I am just going to camp on my Feitoria and never die." LMAO best quote ever 😂

[@taseti3607]

(19:35) That Vululu keeps catching me off-guard.

[@taseti3607]

(49:51) I am reading the graph as: You make a bet during a horse race and the chosen gets hurt, ending up as last. Then, suddenly, the horse turns out to be an equine Usain Bolt and wins the race.

[@elmanhux]

imo there should be 2 ladder-system: random master, no other choice, but still with a map pool and pick-up profi with 2 or 3 civ bans from each player after the map was decided

[@abacaxi.maldoso]

The Portuguese is so AoE3 stuff that I still miss an Portuguese explorer screaming "estou ferido não me posso mexer" troughout the map.

this is what happens when me automate labour thr villager are killed off.

[@spaak3465]

It has 20 villagers inside, meaning it's actually a sweatshop 😯

[@Ethereal_Phoenix_]

Rough math puts a feirtoria worth about 8-9 vills, though since they produce gold and stone which late game normally need to be bought from market they are actually a bit better than that.

[@Progeusz]

Nice thing about Feitoria is they require no further management outside of protection. They won't go idle after mine runs out, they won't need replenished lumbercamps etc.

[@danpitzer765]

Regarding Auto-scout, I have developed a system for it already. I scout normally with my scout, and if he's still alive when I have my fundamental intel and have begun producing more military, /then/ I turn on autoscout so he'll run off and explore all the little corners for me without me having to manually fuss with it, so I can focus on eco and war for the rest of the game.

[@Goomberdups]

As a Portuguese player, this video delivered 10/10 glorious absolute masterpiece Thank you Mr orjan gun viking man

[@AndrewTheFrank]

Can't you see the Feitoria is being similar to the Malay fish trap? There is a cost to it, it takes up pop space and provides an infinite resource. Yes it is very situational but in those games, especially island ones, where resources are depleted they provide a civ win condition just as fish traps do for Malay. Not only that is in such a game the Feitoria gives gold and stone which can be used to construct more Feitoria, but also allow for tower pushes, more castles or for the food/stone to be sold for more gold. It allows for non trash options in the very late game. Something that many island games can go to.

[@DeMause]

It takes 14 minutes for the feitoria to make back the stone investment. Given that Portuguese has a pretty pop efficient army I think making 1 or 2 feitoria is probably worth it if they are up for more than 14 minutes and you are using the stone to drop forward bombard towers.

[@Thunderdumpe]

I agree, like an arena 1tc push seems like the way to use them, add them while chemistry researches and then spam hc and bbc : )

[@Thunderdumpe]

Also, feitoria is like 1/3 the price of tc + vills, so keep building vills and delete feitoria seems like the right strategy.

[@Thunderdumpe]

Deleting vills to build feitoria is full disastah

[@GoldfishLiberty]

I think post imperial Portuguese may be the best civ in the game. Infinite resources, all gun powered units. Kind of scary. But early mid game lacks a lot compared to other civs

[@Spiz103]

I've been (casually) playing this game since it released.I remember when we couldn't even queue up farm reseeds (that only came in with Conquerors). I'm not convinced having a scout randomly run around the map is going to drastically change things. You can achieve something close to what you get from autoscout by spamming a bunch of waypoints onto the minimap. (Also I still don't patrol!)

[@biaslina]

You're OG Respect

[@ThomasSimkins]

Don’t forget that auto-gathering was added in Conquerors as well. In the original AoE2, you had to personally task villagers to gather resources after building mills, lumber camps, mining camps, and multiple farms (they would build one, and just stop).

[@tomaszsmol3920]

24:55 the subtitles "Niebaum retires to defend my victoria here" 😂

[@SoaringStranger]

feitoria on team islands, that was my thought during the stream!!!!

[@matthewmcneany]

1) there's no full water maps in the map pool for the time being. 2) people would kill them with light cav.

[@thiagorenanlima3631]

@@matthewmcneany You have to defend the feitoria, not Just make 10 and go afk, How are light cav gonna kill them

[@SoaringStranger]

@@matthewmcneany 1)yess 2)ohhh, but 5 fets 100 pop rest for army? rest 100 pop for rest. u can always make towers.

[@BirdMoose]

I'm still pretty nooby and I've been using auto scout to mix with manual, I watch my scout and send it to check things by hand, but don't have the APM to micromanage it so auto helps me make sure it's never just standing still. Relying on it alone is prolly bad for new players but it defiantly helps to supplement manual scouting... On the other hand I have lost a few scouts to TC with auto scout so use with caution.

[@Piokkoko]

New feitorias are actually busted in long team games. I was able to be the economy of one of my team m8s that base got wiped while never stopping to spit out organ guns from like 5 castles

[@XarianTheElf]

17:48 shhhh just passing. Man that was close

[@heidtb6746]

The Globe symbol means "Steam Player"

[@abacaxi.maldoso]

I thought it was the symbol on the Portuguese flag that surrounds their shield.

[@marcosyy87]

Fast imp then 4 or 5 feitoria can be really powerful, do a lot of cheap monkas then maybe

[@isphus]

What if you just tripled the feitoria's size and removed the population usage? Would space ever be enough of a limiting factor?

[@Progeusz]

Useless on small maps, way OP on large maps, way too RNG reliant on terrain generation.

[@slickyjapper]

Could Feitorias work like Factories in AOE3 so you can choose which resource you want to gather from it?

[@Michal235]

I'm sure that feitorias may be great when you're very likely to get raided hard, for example when playing vs civs with eagles

[@willichtenstein7071]

Wouldn't sending light cavalry to kill the cannon bois work? Cheap fast units to dive in as trebs and cannons break towers?

[@GabrielRodriguez-oi7yz]

Just by the title I've all ready hit the like button. Keep the good stuff coming bruh!

[@noyezz3690]

it's not wood enough, haha

[@nietbasxoudenh3772]

hmm you say feitoria bad for gold i think this is a lot of godl you collect 30K -5K by relic -7.5K by natural deposit 17.5K gold for all feitoria in 25/30 minutes i think this is good really good this extra gold give you so much capciti over the time same thing with stone i think if portuguese can go on imp and have buid like 2 or 3 if they go on bombard tower only and sow push and turtle like a maniac they have the best extra late game possible

[@eduardoADSL]

The animation of the caravel being destroyed is so satisfying.

[@malleableconcrete]

I dunno, I think it would look better if it was a proper capsizing and sinking animation, as it is now it looks like it suddenly transformed from wood to tissue paper.

[@twohandedswordsman852]

The Portuguese's 'units cost 15%' is kinda useful

[@jecajbtw]

Mastapiece. RIP for no champs.

[@SemiMono]

If feitorias gave more wood then Portuguese would be the best long-game islands civ.

[@bomjus1706]

i think for a less skilled player, the amount of resources the feitoria poops out for literally 0 micromanagement makes them very very good. probably the best "co op vs AI LAN party in your friend's basement with some pizza" civilization now.

[@csabakatai5095]

Never understood why delete vils if you can just send them over to enemy base as meatshield.

[@Ethereal_Phoenix_]

It could take a few minutes for them to get there and get killed, at which point the pop space they took up probably wasn't worth it, Its also a lot of micro to have them be useful in battle which may not be worthwhile in the late game scenarios where deleting is typically done.

[@Ironmaidenportugal]

And give Intel to the opponent that hes up to something like 200 pop military or building feitorias?

[@karonteazt3286]

Lol i just played pedroblanco yesterday

[@colyvor2283]

"outcived" :D

[@fabian4735]

Actually you don't need the relics in the first place with all the feitorias running

[@AlmostAtom]

What about using them in 4v4 for late-game slinging and building BBTs?^^

[@bomjus1706]

BBT's and slinging food to a magyar ally seems legit. or slinging food to a tatar ally who invests in trade carts while you sling him food to spam the omega efficient keshik's. could be fun.

[@ting102989]

Are you no longer doing the campaign play-through?

[@zenec_]

how do u make ur map closer to the center like that ? is it a mod ?

[@RobTausteelie]

Portugese full sling on team maps?

[@ToniWilli]

One of the funniest games u played. I like these random games :)

[@mr2octavio]

I wish someone pronounced feitoria as it should be pronounced.

[@BillyONeal]

How should it be?

[@vonbergzutal5991]

Could portuguese actually be viable in deathmatch ?

[@satyakisil9711]

Depends on the map. On maps like Oasis they can be beast.

[@latbat58]

I think you needed more bombard towers.

[@danielseamons4198]

I want to see a team game where one guy only goes fetoria

[@onesixtyofficial]

Auto scouting effects every level, better players will just use it more situational. Even if it only explores random black spots it can and will change the outcome of games over time. Maybe at the top top level it will matter significantly less, but in low and intermediate levels many players have idle time on the scout for example during castle age. During that time they could have the scout wander around and save apm for elsewhere, in that case you would be in a competitive disadvantage not to use the feature. Ofcourse you could say that they would be better off to scout manually, but this is the limitation of their multitask skills. This feature impacts my games, but even if not I would not wish it upon others to have to play against it. A fundamental rule is broken, that the game should not play itself. Continuous action should require continuous input. I think there is a beauty about this game that should not be broken, and we already see the slippery slope of how auto reseed is now used to justify auto scout. This has recently even sparked discussion about implementing auto queues. I think this feature will cause a roadblock for many casuals that will delay them to learn how to scout properly. It would be good if we as a community would provide tools to educate players on how to scout, or if they are not interested in scouting remind them of the explored feature so they can have more fun games. Although I consider this a bad feature for the game, me and most other people are not opposed as long as it is a lobby setting.

[@blankiito3658]

Well, shift queue is a lot more powerfull for a scout. Look at pro game, scout is used to look for ressource first and then look for the enemy and see what tech he is doing. If you autoscout, you will only find your oppenent after 15 min and be completly blind on the the tech. If you really want to explore the whole map, spam queue click in the feuodal and your scout will be active for all your castle time. If you still use your scout to explore after the castle time, you should mb change your build, scout is used in fight in feodal in a lot of case and will probably die.

[@onesixtyofficial]

​@@blankiito3658 Manual scouting is definitely more effective, no one will deny that. This is entirely besides the discussion. Actually you are making the case for why auto scouting is bad and should be avoided. It's interesting how many people defend auto scouting by explaining how ineffective it is. This in itself should be a reason for why auto scouting should not be wished upon others, definitely not beginning players.

[@jcullin914]

So what's wrong about that? It's good that they make the game simpler and removes excessive clicking/multi-tasking. This is supposed to be a strategy game, not a whoever-can-click-fastest-game.

[@mynameizmaineimis1880]

@@jcullin914 What is good about making the game simpler? Simpler games than AoE 2 already exist for anyone who desires that.

[@YberDC]

It's an optional feature. An optional feature is never a bad thing. My father who only plays with his mouse is really enjoying it now because it allows him to play better and do other things when he matches with the AI. A casual player is always benefitted by this too at all levels because if frees him time to learn macro and execute builds. Not everyone wants to be a korean starcraft bonjwa. New players who want to get better will always have tutorials and references to get better. Many new players in other RTSs like starcraft spend too many APM scouting and mess up their macro because of it. There is no such rule as "the game can't play itself" (literally any simulator ever made) and even if that was the case for this game, it's an OPTION that you have. Your scout doesn't auto explore by default or forces you to auto explore because it's better, so you always have the edge if someone uses it against you. Live and let live. Shutting down features just because they offend your view on what the game should be also shuts downs people who don't share your opinion, and that has an overall negative impact in the playerbase. There is a clear line between scouting, which for many people is a chore, and auto making units, which you can pretty much do by making a control group and holding down a key, which takes 2 APM. The DE team hasn't made anything horrible yet, give them leeway until they do.

[@lyonnais0225]

vs what units bombard towers are good ?

[@RolandTemplar]

Almost all, except rams and trebuchets

[@emireren3172]

How do you get the food without any vils on it? Ye im new to the game please dont hate me :D

[@rainehdaze9157]

Feitoria gives steady resources upon completion but consumes pop space.

[@emireren3172]

@@rainehdaze9157 Ouh okay nice to know. Thank you

[@MotRi1986]

I just started to watch the video so I don't know exactly what you are referring too. You can get food from fishing boats or you can sell other resources in the marked to get extra food. A third option is exclusively for the Portuguese, they gave a unique building that generates a smal amount of resources over time.

[@sharperguy]

I guess Feitoria will be overpowered on forest nothing now.

[@mastodon11111111]

Maybe in noob games but better players will not have time to get their moneys worth compared to trading and selling wood.

[@Bhuyakasha]

New team islands meta?

[@MrFunnyXD]

I NEED MORE CONTENT SIR

[@the.brokenhand]

unlike capitalism! free civ choice do regulates itself. using always just two or three civs can really play against you in the long term. i think it's ok not to restrict it

[@the.brokenhand]

although i can't win sht if not japan towers or british longbows so what do i know

[@AndroqMinoq]

Super casual player here. Why is DE ladder bad?

[@tylerfehr7883]

It isn't bad per se, but many players don't take it seriously so it's not a very competitive environment.

[@fruitgrapepwnage]

if you are low and medium ranked -> its fine. If you're like top 100, its bad.

[@Archmage90]

haha feitoria goes brrrrrrr

[@bedirhandilen]

Where is the champion Viper?

[@MrKez23]

Mastapizza

[@lamegamer4607]

Mastapieezz

[@et34t34fdf]

Feitoria is a curse for the portuguese, instead of trying to make the portuguese a good civ, they are trying to balance a gimmick.

[@nicolasagote5404]

gg, I love to see the Feitoria in use, especially in such a mastapiez. Really curious to see if you can show them to be viable for Arena as well. I have posted in reddit www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/fbjadt/concerning_feitorias_an_analysis_and_a_suggestion/? and in the official forums forums.ageofempires.com/t/concerning-feitorias-an-analysis-and-a-suggestion/72852?u=agusa99 what I hope can be a good discussion thread about their place in the meta and how to balance them. Feel free to check it out!

[@karonteazt3286]

Why he made trebs? Cannons are way better im not sure why everyone makes way better decitions vs me than viper

[@karonteazt3286]

And why he dont justo send 60 cavaliers to destroy all feitorias?

[@krkrbbr]

do this more but campy and disgusting edition pls

[@NeonLine]

not fast imperial ._.

[@gouravparida9240]

Please keep vululu , these monkas are cute 😂

[@heidtb6746]

First: no Hidden Viper again... i want my money back! Second: I would not like to have random civs in ranked, but meybe like 2-3 civ bans?

[@annasmuhammad6832]

kereeen

[@BL4CKBUSIDO]

Plz test new ai!!

[@fenixx1233]

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[@gabrielteruel4720]

Does anyone else gets triggered by that bad 'feitoria' pronunciation? My brain keeps yelling 'why???'

[@humanbass]

Me, me. I want to send an audio to Viper with the correct pronunciation.

[@philipkelly7369]

tired of mirror civs, so boring

[@BirdMoose]

I'm still pretty nooby and I've been using auto scout to mix with manual, I watch my scout and send it to check things by hand, but don't have the APM to micromanage it so auto helps me make sure it's never just standing still. Relying on it alone is prolly bad for new players but it defiantly helps to supplement manual scouting... On the other hand I have lost a few scouts to TC with auto scout so use with caution.