FASTEST Ebike Motor EVER! Bosch CX Gen 5 vs DJI Avinox Drag Race

[@SamsBikes]

I hope you like this test Legends. Now, tell me, what is the most important factor when buying your next e-bike? Is it outright power? If not, tell me what it is.

[@bastogne315]

That it dont blow up.

[@BSE75]

slim bike, weight and power

[@jap7856]

I like that you compared the 4 motors, but what was the eMTB weight of each of those motors? That can make a big different in the climb time.🤔

[@LlenadeMalo]

Weight, power, duration

[@anthracitemafia]

No, because soon places will ban ebikes because as power increases so does trail damage. Double edge sword dudes

[@31Peter]

7 seconds quicker, you say? Whoosh! And yet the bike is so light! Looks like the other fellas got some catching up to do😮

[@lukenukem1164]

Range and quiet. I personally find 85 plenty but hey, more never hurts.

[@SamsBikes]

Haha yep for me range and noise is at the top of my list!

[@RichardsonJack]

Although it is a new force, just look at DJI's cutting-edge motor technology and top-tier configuration. I trust their support system and choice of manufacturer :) My dji mini 3 drone fell into the water once🤣but the aftersales service was amazing. Got brand new replacement and response was quick. I have great confidence in Amflow, it's definetly worth considering. 👍

[@RamonLopez-qi5el]

Sam, Both are amazing motors, I believe the most important thing it´s the support of the manufacturer in your Country.

[@StrongmanTaylor]

I bought a new Crestline 180 and it comes with a Bosch Gen 5. I was pretty excited to hear Troydon (owner of Crestline) say that triple numbers could be available with just an update...... Something to think about as well.

[@scottpratico1315]

Totally happy with my Shimano ep800 bikes. I only ride alone or with my brother generally, so it's not like Im getting dropped. I would rather buy last years bike at a deep discount.

[@thamil1365]

😂🤣😂🤣ok Shimano employee.

[@scottpratico1315]

@thamil1365 hardly. Price and availability do effect consumer behavior. Shocking, I know.

[@markbonnes8555]

Couldn't care less for the horsepower wars... I have a Gen4 Bosch on my bike, probably never even used 50 of the 85Nm on tap, and it gets used mostly in Tour+ and Eco. Reliability, backup, how natural it feels to ride etc... All far more important than the raw power... I'm sure to some people a 1KW eBike sounds impressive, but I've got a 120KW KTM 1290 in my garage too if I really feel the need to burn some rubber, so the eMTB horsepower wars don't interest me in the slightest!

[@Jeffbomke]

I have a Pole Voima. I will let say it has all the power I would ever want. I would like my next bike to be lighter, the motor more refined and quiet, and modular, so I could do bigger days or be lighter on my normal rides.

Heard that the new Bosch will get a software update for up to 100-105Nm in a few months

[@thamil1365]

Why would they feel the need to do that? The Bosch system just came out🫣😭😭😭😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stueym199]

Hey Sam Stuey from Australia, your reviews are great mate, I'm always keen to try a new ebike, a bit more power is a good thing, amagin those narly climbs that you had to quickly upclip, if ya don't want all the power ride up in trail mode ,simple 😊😊

[@SteveDean-hh5sf]

Great test Sam, I think the ride/feel of the power and bike is important but also how long does it last. I ride in turbo on my Turbo Levo Specialised all the time and to get the full fun factor my bike is derestricted. Can you derestrict this machine?

[@AndyMialkowski-ct9sz]

Sam, could you check and compare the resistance when you are pedalling without assistance? This is the deal breaker for me if I'm forced to come back home with an empty battery or failure.

[@SpurNFan9mm]

Vor allen Dingen muss erwähnt werden, man kann es beim Händler kaufen. Sprich, Support vor Ort ist gegeben. Die Geschwindigkeit ist eher nebensächlich, vielmehr ist die Kraft für Uphills wichtiger . Für mich Amflow als sehr gutes Kaufargument deshalb, wegen seiner Möglichkeiten. Mullet , Ladegeschwindigkeit , ANT+ Empfang und Anzeige und Diebstahlsicherung.

[@badbattleaxe5832]

reliability, Speed, power and weight is the most important when it comes to an EMTB. I want one so bad, but I’m going to wait a couple of years and let the technology develop further.

[@downhill7271]

Most important thing for me is the ability to derestrict and second is the power of the motor. If DJI cant be derestricted, I will be sticking with my gen 4 cx forever. I want more power but nothing is more irksome than bumping into the speed limiter

[@Flex-Jitsu]

Hi Sam, can you perform a drag race between the DJI (on turbo mode, not boost) vs Bosch Race motor (on Race mode)?

[@SamsBikes]

Yep let’s see when I can fit it in!

[@Flex-Jitsu]

@@SamsBikes Thanks Sam!

[@simonkokalj2687]

Are this results on boost mode on DJi?

[@TheOriginalOrizu]

What’s with the rear suspension on that Amflow? Did they change what it comes with as standard or did you customize it?

[@garethrobinson2275]

Customised.

[@SamsBikes]

Yes mate I’m play with a coil on it

[@davidwariaro9885]

Thx Sam. Nice comparison of climbing speed and power. You switched to a coil on the amflow? Big improvement?

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks David, yep I’m right in the process of making the Amflow my bike and making its more trail enduro video coming soon! It’s rider better

[@Flex-Jitsu]

Sam, in the Bosch flow app, did you adjust the Turbo mode settings to +5 for Assistance and Dynamic settings? Because this will increase it's power even more.

[@Jeroensurf]

I just checked my stats of my Bosch Gen4 in my Orbea Wild and I have used: 2% turbo 25% EMTB 70% tour+ 3% eco. Eco sucks and I only use that in limb mode to get home.. So for me there is no need to have heaps of power ( I was for a long time very much in doubt to get a full power or an SL E-bike). What I do want, is range, control and not too heavy reliable stuff with great handling. The DJI looks really compelling, ticking almost all the boxxes but what I do miss in it is what would be a tour/trail/give it a name mid setting on an Shimano/bosch bike. With a setting like that it should have even more range and probably blow all the current SL/midrange power bikes out of the water.

[@garethrobinson2275]

It's all custom dial-able from the app?

[@Jeroensurf]

@@garethrobinson2275 that is not 100% clear to me.

[@MadStrat-wl6lf]

Was the first 30 out of 33.62 seconds you did on dj in boost mode? 120 nm 1000w?

[@lauriebaggio2668]

What do you think of taking an Amflow and turning it into a rural commuter for longer rides with lots of hills?

[@rawmancemtb]

So is the Bosch gen 5 slower response to pedal input than gen4? If so then the gen 4 is still better.

[@KiwiInGermanyMTB]

Is there a power cap on ebike motors? I think this is enough. Any more power and it's gonna start tearing up the terrain. I would hope they just get smaller and lighter and more reliable or compatible with newer versions.

[@SamsBikes]

They are limited to 250 watt, I feel your right we are getting to the limit now. Smaller light and the same power is my hope

[@MTBEAST007]

@@SamsBikes So the 1000w bike is illegal?

[@eaze7324]

​@@MTBEAST007nominal power is limited to 250w, peak power has no regulation by law, the manufacturer has to decide how capable their motor is without damaging itself

[@MTBEAST007]

@eaze7324 from the UK gov website "must have a maximum power output of 250 watts". I don't know how they all get away with their peak power numbers but I'm glad they do.

[@BH4x0r]

​@@MTBEAST007if they did not all ebikes would be slow as shit and almost useless for hills

[@Nomads_Rowing]

Hi Sam - they all count, it’s just what is the best bang for your bucks and with that in mind, how will all these bikes and motors fare after a couple of years on the trails - that’s what really matters 😎

[@NeilDethml]

Looking at the newer ebike releases, my Turbo Levo is looking more & more tank like! #tanklife 😂

[@JohnSmith-sj2dk]

was the DJI in boost mode?

[@VR6Boki]

Reliability, power and weight would be top 3 things for me. I have FS eMTB (Wheeler e-Falcon 2017), with rear hub motor (Bionx D250) and it's still great. Not a single problem with it, silent 50 Nm motor, really powerful uphill, unlocked so it goes 50 km/h on flat, still great battery, only reason for upgrade would be desire to get something new and weight, my bike is 21.9kg. If I can get same reliability and similar or better power with less weight, than not sure what to ask more from eBike.

[@RideyRodney]

With a 25km/h speed limit I couldn’t care less about getting more power than my current EP8, which is fine. I want Pinion to get close enough to the current gen so that i can ditch the cassette.

[@Geomos4125]

Hola máquina,en el próximo test es importante para ser correcto y creíble, puedes especificar en que pinion del cassette , plato con "T" dientes ,y en que modo "turbó" vas hacer el test con las e-bike.Saludos !

[@joet2463]

I think where the motor power is on the motors is the sweet spot @ 85 - 90 Nm. Personally, i want to keep my eMTB investment for years. The focus should really be on making motors more serviceable, developing better seals, stronger motor and quieter components. If these company engineers can create newer better motors every year, I don’t see why they can’t invest on improving older Bosch, Shimano, Brose motors (component’s / hardware / battery etc. instead of bottlenecking consumers on another $$$ upgrade.

[@SamsBikes]

Very good point

[@valiantthor5238]

And i would like better Compatibility, we cant upgrade to a new Motor if we want because its different on the Frame Mountingpoints

[@kentnilsson9757]

👍Nice test as always👏 I'm a fan of light weight Emtb, but always interested in new innovations. This Amflow bike is the most perfect "beautibeast" in all categories😍. I tryed this summer a Yamaha moro that I updated to 170mm Öhlin fork, Fox factory coil damper and Marvic mullet. It was a nice geometry bike.....but it was like driving a 500cc two stroke motocross bike compared to my Specialized SL 1.1 35Nm, Specialized SL 1.1 with the new 50Nm motor and Orbea Rise 60Nm😂. So I sold the Yamaha after a month😂. With 25km/h that the restriction are here in 🇸🇪Sweden🇸🇪 and where I live there is no alps to climb on, I stick to my low power Emtbs with not missing the feeling of flying over the handlebars when I exceed 25km/h😅

[@RaufZero]

Everybody gangsta until some 3 letter agency (or Winnie the Pooh) will decide to call that pager....

[@SamsBikes]

Interesting

[@curtrichardson8002]

Christopher Robbin?

[@LlenadeMalo]

Shimano motors are made in China. Are they going to explode?

[@Psyopcyclops]

The DJI is a grouse motor, but it’s not a great idea here in Australia. Where am I gonna get it serviced or repaired? I’m sure they’ll have somewhere, but it’ll be a mission, I bet. Great review though mate. Appreciate ya

[@powderuser]

Don’t think power is most important. More important to me is the down and a lower but not crazy low weight. But, however, I really appreciate the whole package of integration with Dji. I think that’s brilliant- everything’s integrated, the display, small power unit for the battery for traveling, big one for shorter battery stops etc. That’s really what the other brands are lacking …

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks for your feedback and yes DJI have done a great job!

[@thamil1365]

This is a really stupid point, you're clearly biased to European manufacturers* everyone knows that lower weight makes the bike twitchy and inherently less stable, just admit that DJI have created something special because you're making it sound like DJI is delivering a cruise ship strapped to a bicycle🙄

[@carlossawatzky2996]

At what’s speed the DJI avinox cuts the power? 20 mph?

[@siriosstar4789]

i would be interested in the cadence stats . on the bikes that i've ridden i've noticed that different motors release their full power at different cadences . one of my bikes requires a very high cadence and much more energy to access all of its power , while my other bikes motor released all of its torque at a much lower cadence resulting in a high top speed with less energy . i did the test on a paved street that was steep enough to hinder achieving the motor cut off at 25 KPH.

[@SamsBikes]

Yes it’s very interesting both seem to be on higher Candace around 70-100 when they are pulling

[@LlenadeMalo]

@@SamsBikesAre any production motors delivering power at lower than 70rpms?

[@siriosstar4789]

@llen,,,, - Sachs /BMZ delivers it's full 112 Nm power at approx. 40 to 60 rpms .

[@tomasz3812]

I have older e-bike (2019 Merida) and for me is important range, nature feeling of power delivery and enough power. I do not need the most powerful motor, I just need to keep up with guys on Bosch 😀. DJI looks very good btw. I like it, but probably my next bike will be with SHIMANO again

[@CaviDS]

sorry do we really need 120nm? I am perfectly content with my65 from my orbea rise

[@YoSoyEli209]

Y el consumo cuál ha sido en ambos motores?

[@tmwei396]

Reliability and range are most important to me.

[@andresamson8859]

I have the 2021 EP8 with a 900wh battery, and find it plenty powerful. Most of my climb are not technical and I simply cruise uphill at around 200m vertical for every 10 min of climbing. I tried a couple of time to dry out my battery, and I took me about 3h of riding on turbo, and I was has much spent then the bike... That leed me to the conclusion that I would not need a more powerful motor, neither a bigger battery. ALSO, I would like my bike to be lighter, so I would not increase the motor power and battery , cuz it would be to much IMO. I wish to see more efficient motor, reducing the battery size needed, and higher density battery. The power to weight ratio of the DJI system seems spot on, but I dont think the 120NM are needed, simply a nice bonus when you need it, but I would probably reduce power output on the non-boost mode, in order to get more range, but still maintain the boost mode when needed. BUT, and this is a big one, I think the future is more in the Pinion MGU model, simplifying the maintenance and reducing the risk of a broken chain or derailler, shifting adjustment, and provinding the ability to shift at a stand still

[@glennbroad2543]

Pedal ability above the motors power and not being restricted to the uk’s 15mph limit

[@mats4011]

Personnally, i feel i've got far enough assistance climbing using my bosch gen4 on my strive:on. I almost never use the boost mode, more the emtb+ or Tour+. I don't need/want more power as i don't race climbing, and still loving to sweat a bit doing sports and enjoy nature. On the other side, the smaller/lighter DJI option is the main interest of this motor, as it might help reduce weight and increase maneuverabilty of future bikes to get even closer to "analog" bike's feeling. (which is my dream emtb, not drag racing climbs)

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Mats all great points! I feel the Bosch has enough power as well but it’s true the over system weight of the DJI is very impressive and has more power

[@markdove5930]

Cope

[@thamil1365]

These paid comments are absolutely hilarious

[@m.w.8049]

Is the race at the Amflow in normal Turbo Modus , or at the 30sec power boost?!?!which difference is then?

[@TravisN]

I know you have it in another video, but how do these compare to the SRAM motor tests? I recently demo'd the ekano 2 AL with EP801 and ekano 2 CF with the SRAM, and was suprised by how much better I liked the SRAM motor.. I found the noise quieter and more agreeable in tone, while also feeling more powerful in my comfortable cadence range (slower than most.. I like to push big gears)

[@TravisN]

I just looked it up... looks like you timed it at 36.68 seconds with a mis-shift / gear selection error

[@MrMamo900]

Reliability is very important, but this requires time to be find out...

[@SamsBikes]

Totally agree 👍

[@SleepToSound]

What is the price of a DJI ebike?

[@SamsBikes]

Starting 6,000 euros

[@PabloOlea59]

Man!! I wasnt expecting that much difference... That Avinox motor is a rocketship hahaha First thing I've noticed was the new CC shock 😏

[@tyrrellracingmtb1342]

are both bikes restricted to the same speed?

[@SamsBikes]

Yes 25km

[@curtrichardson8002]

32 kph USA market

[@sandallpark]

Reliability - my current Gen 4 has 12000 miles in less tha 3 years. I'm aiming for at least 20k. I will not change until my current Trek PF7 is kaputt!

[@PahadiPedaler]

The rides I do in northern california, the Bosch race is pretty great and efficient. Should I buy a throttle bike instead of DJI 😂

[@losien1]

For me the most important is maintenance knowing how all these ebike motors fail. In DJI everything will be locked as usually so it all doesn’t matter. I’m waiting for a motor that won’t be treated as a “consumable” and you will be able to replace its internal parts. I’m sick of these motors costing thousands of dollars going to bin if a single error pops up…

[@SamsBikes]

That’s a interesting point

[@Rado_activelife]

I would say there is absolutely no need for whole the power that current CX gen 4 offers. Yes, it can add fun to going uphill But it quickly fades away when you have to Exchange your chain, sprockets etc. Higher torque also causes more wear on the internals of the motor. Boost mode on gen 4 Bosch seems redundant to me as you will lift front wheel way to easily.

[@porroco]

For me is firmware, ebike dashboard battery indicator & range 85mn is my range of power

[@xyzphyl]

For me, that's the least interesting part about those motors and bikes. For me, 85nm is more than enough, I would like a noise comparison (motor sound + rattle), a range comparison and a bike capability comparison because the M1 and Amflow would be on my radar if I was into buying a superlight bike with Enduro capabilities (the Amflow probably not being a real Enduro but close enough?)

[@Ferdigrapher]

🔥👏

[@SamsBikes]

Thought you might like this one!

[@Martinm3210]

Time will tell on reliability but that's a revolutionary power benefit for such a compact package. Power, packaging and reliability are my three priorities and the DJI for sure hits two of those. If it matches on reliability Bosch and Shimano better step it up quick!

[@simony2801]

Unless you want to actually race uphill the dji is a bit pointless, it will just eat chains and rear mechs even more than the current bikes. In the uk the wet weather means you will never get to put the power down due to wheel slip. The weight is impressive though, that’s all to me .

[@rickbault1221]

Wow!

[@fernandosanchez7307]

Fortunately not all of us buy bikes for effortless riding but that we like exercise

[@macejowski]

He was winded at the top of the climb son, what does effortless mean in your dictionary? It's ebikes aren't about effortless riding, they're about going farther and faster in the same time with statistically higher heart rates.

[@garethrobinson2275]

From this comment, I can tell you have no experience of riding E-bikes. Just like the ICE-heads who have never driven an EV.

[@valiantthor5238]

More Power and more Power......until they close the Trails and Woods for those powerfull Bikes. I have a 90nm Brose/Specialized 2.2 Motor....enough Power for me personally. I will buy a new Bike ( bought a Levo G3 2024 in July) when the Gearbox Tech/ Pinion MGU has seen on or more upated Generations and is more affordable. Gearbox is the Future for sure

[@lewiss66]

What's important is not the speed but how easy you climb and battery life which would be interesting to compare on those two bikes.

[@NBSTL68]

What's MOST important to me is... If I can actually buy one here in the U.S., haha! DJI U.S. Order & Availability date?, (Serviceability in a reasonable time thereafter?) ...Oh. making a motor IP68 waterproof would be amazing. Who hasn't gone through an unexpectedly deep creek bed on their MTB?...what happens when you do that w an electric motor?! Thanks for getting these new motor \ bike reviews out so quickly! Can't wait for the motor deep dive and your thoughts on how reliable the DJI will be over time.

[@pedipedi9559]

The power and overall system from DJI is impressive. The only outstanding question is going to be the longevity and support of the motor/system. I ride a wonderful Levo current gen and love the bike. Would I like to have the DJI motor on my bike? Yes and the reason is it would make an already great bike even more capable. Can't wait for the DJI motor to make it to other OEM brands. Hopefully Specialized. AMFLOW bike looks good but I would not buy it now until it has a track record of at least 3 years or more on the market. Any 1st buyers are going to be the Beta testers and that can be a nightmare. A message to DJI...thx for disrupting the ebike motor market. The establishment now has to meet or exceed your innovation. Bosch's Gen 5 is meh and shows how they think. TBosch have biggest slice of ebike motor market so why should they innovate when they can iterate. And how do this is make their next gen motor incompatible with previous gen motor mounts. Thus OEM's can have a reason to make a new bike and sell it to their customers instead of having and option to upgrade. Again thank you DJI for setting the fox out amongst the chickens.

[@tomekdenki2380]

Durability and range

[@alessandrofiore3456]

Bisogna vedere il consumo batteria nelle stesse modalità, per la potenza 85 sono sufficienti

[@thegoodsherman]

Dji is the sweet Spot.. Bosch 🥱

[@apfolklore]

Versus...say it with me VER-sus not Verse.

[@in2bmx]

AMFLOW . Looks sooo much better .

[@SamsBikes]

It’s pretty noticeable faster

[@AndyMialkowski-ct9sz]

@SamsBikes - Going faster is possible when you use the SpeedBox. Not available for DJI.

[@djm8027]

Doubt DJI have discovered any new technology , just new engineering and design and it if can be done with reliability other brands will do the same , also funny reading Bosch owner comments about not wanting any more power :) Thanks for the video and do your best to break that Avinox machine , we are all waiting for it .

[@woidmoasta4673]

I think the all fast enough. But i must say the older Shimano Ep8 has not that great Power. The Ep801 is definitly an improvment. Personally i dont need more Power as the Bosch. 600Watts are enough and its only good for Battery Endurance. If you say you get Around 900Watts of Power Usage (with some Boost Mode Activity) in the DJI System an 800Wh Battery is in under 1 Hour by Fully Usage empty thats crazy.

[@eugenux]

honesy, I will wait for the dji motor to get on a more of a mainstream bike manufacturer, on a big enduro of some sorts and then is bye bye to the rest of the industry; lightness and power, the best combo possible!

[@macejowski]

Facts! 170 or 180 mill Enduro please. No thank you to a trail-duro.

[@zoranpl]

It would be great if you could get a bafang m620 with 160Nm somewhere so we can compare these times...

[@eaze7324]

My man, the m620 weighs 6,7kg

[@Weissi0711]

For my first E-bike, noise is important, weight of the bike, CX power is plenty, I tried it and rode mostly in Tour/EMTB. With a limited budget, DJI bikes are too expensive, starting at over 6k€

[@stephenbarnes5850]

Hi Sam loving the content as always do you know if the DJI motor is serviceable and will there be after sale service in the UK and do you think they will make the motor available for sale when your warranty runs out wish they would be more transparent about these things , any insight would be appreciated 💯 .I think motor serviceability ride quality/suspension tune and fame geo are high on my priorities and a quiet motor up and down would be amazing leaning towards the new orbea wild now was set on the specialized kenvo sl2 now really torn between the 2, full power and quiet dose sound tempting currently own the orbea rise but lack of servicing on the Shimano ep8 means i definitely won't be getting Shimano powered bike again it's been problem free at 2200 miles now but don't like the no serviceability police of Shimano

[@bastogne315]

My moneys on the Bosch not to be filled with CCCP explosives.

[@SamsBikes]

Wow 😮 not sure what to say to this

[@markdove5930]

Both are made in Asia

[@greggoldman893]

Let’s start rating the power as a percent or multiple of a pro rider. IE 1.25 tour rider or 0.75 of Merckx 😂. I think that is a better indicator. A 0.75 adding your 0.25 equals 100% of a tour professional. If you can add 0.50, you can go a lot faster. It’s human nature to want more and more, however I believe this is where the sport begins to cause itself problems. Riding trails at an expected bicycle pace doesnt cause anyone heartburn, Burning up the trail at 2x pace gets negative attention. The rise of 29r speed on the downhills have already caused conflicts and increased trail maintenance due to speeds. One old timers observations.

[@tonygregg6957]

Wow, great comparison, I think I'm more interested in overall efficiency and reliability. Maybe 25-30 miles reliably at a normal analogue pace would suit me. Given just how powerful the DJI is I don't understand how it meets UK/EU law , I thought a pedelec should be able to give no more than 250W continuously. If companies continue to push the boundaries like this is there a risk of a crackdown / backlash from the authorities? We are already seeing issues with Surron type abuse and that unfortunately reflects badly on ebikers. I can see the 250 - 500 of current bikes being similar to what a person can produced, a 1000w with 120Nm of torque is something completely different.

[@bastogne315]

Guoanbu...get familiar.

[@grzegorzdulski8768]

For me, range and noise are the most important.😉

[@skiMTB]

So, WE ALL KNOW IT'S FAST... But how does it handle? Does it feel ANYTHING like my/the 2023 TURBO LEVO SL- that weighs a paltry 41.6 pounds? I guess the ONLY question remaining (if not about performance) is the warranty. I am assuming LIFETIME replacement for the frame and motor... If not, "NO, thank you."

[@mattlentz5107]

How are the bike manufacturers not adapting to the gearbox. Lets gooo big bike co. The future is here but youre out sellbg derailleurs

[@SamsBikes]

I have tired the pinion is very good but not for me just yet

[@RobStriegel]

Of course the DJI smoked the Bosch and Shimano. how bout comparing it to the Dyname on the Rocky Mountain. When it comes to power. its right there. As far as the question of the importance of power goes? If I'm gonna ride an E bike I want all the power I can get . I have my Ibis Ripmo if want want a workout. My rocky mountain Altitude powerplay enables me to climb super steep hills fast over tech terrain and cover much more mileage. Thats the point of having it

[@Magic_Vince]

Speeeeed!!

[@mnswamp]

Biggest concerns are range, reliability and system weight. My current Orbea Rise is 'close', but if DJI can bring out a reliable 80nm, 700wh combo that brings the system weight down to 18 kilos in a trail bike, that'd be cool. Also looking forward to seeing a bike review featuring the ZF motor.

[@macfly10]

I'm not looking for more power than the current 85/90 NM. Tuneability, efficiency, weight, reliability and importantly backup are my priorities.

[@hein_mcleod]

Same here. I run my Gen 4 with modified profiles. 70nm is more than enough and I get better range from the 750wh battery.

[@SamsBikes]

Yep to be honest 85 90 is totally fun unless your ride with the DJI haha

[@IdrisFashan]

EXACTLY! Give me tuneability of the different power levels, but I don’t need more power. I have 100nm on a 702Wh battery at 36v… it’s more than I need, but it’s a hardtail to get me started while I build my skills. Also a 3-4 year warranty would be sweet. 😅

[@mauriciorcantu]

You should compare with Bosch Race!

[@thamil1365]

Make it sound like the DJI doesn't deliver on all those points🤣😂😂😂

[@garyparkin712]

How is 40 seconds even a race, what crap. You cant un restrict the DJI ?

[@crazybaker1]

The most important thing to me is the service and backup from the bike shop and the manufacturer, I totally think Bosch is the winner 🏆 hand ✋️ down 😊 laters

[@jarkkomannisto6413]

M620 is laughing... M630 is laughing to M620 😂

[@Zetler]

You don't need a 10K Mflow for this. A cheapo Bafang M600 and an E10 Dengfu frame will give you the same result on this track and absolutely destroy any major brands. But despite getting utterly crushed on speed and power, the advantage of the Bosch system is it's natural pedaling response on tech. This is the weakness of the Chinese motors, nm numbers and speed means nothing on the trail if the juice comes on too fast and your rear tire is spinning on a climb. This test failed to address that weakness.

[@SamsBikes]

All good points but you need to try the DJI it’s pretty impressive

[@Tumid1]

I have an 1800w Bafang M560 & a Mondraker/Bosch Gen4 & the Bafang bike pedals as naturally as the Gen4 & will climb any hill better. Enduro motorcycles have 40,000 watt motors & they climb even better. What makes me laugh is everyone saying that 250w/500w is all you need but when they actually ride a more powerful motor they realize more power = more fun. Has ANYONE who has ridden a DJI said it's too fast...they're smiling too much.

[@curtrichardson8002]

I have a M600 bafang and it's almost as smooth as my Gen 4 rail,bafang usually on lower spec heavier bikes,still a little faster than rail.

[@macejowski]

Hence the short 40 second climb test¿

[@dansadventures5514]

This test doesn't represent real climbing because you were in boost mode for most of it and boost only lasts 30 seconds whereas my climbs take between 30 minutes to a couple hours when climbing larger mountains. It's unreasonable for us to press and hold to engage boost mode every 30 seconds as it detracts from the biking experience and is especially unreasonable when tackling technical climbs which is when we need the assistance the most. If you want to present a fair and realistic comparison, it should be done without boost mode as that's how the vast majority of users will be climbing most of the time.

[@RubenJFernandes]

Every time i see a video with the amflow dji there are some questions that i have and lots of should have too, but for what i see for now it's just a bike for youtube show off cause, i can't order it. then in questions of warranty, service, and stuff like that, nobody talks about, i know, its a brand new motor and system, then leave to other questions.

[@SamsBikes]

Check my review of the Amflow

[@vidibites]

I think warranty, aftercare and dealer support is super important. We don’t know what the reliability of the DJI motor is yet.

[@kevinmortimer1883]

thats a significant difference. i bet both bosch and shimano will soon catch up.

[@SamsBikes]

Let’s see