Fate/Extra CCC Archer Skill Exhibition

[@willgm3500]

3:25-3:29 "May this light reach the king who can never be reached. Excalibur Image!" Doesn't that hit you right in the feels ;_;

[@skvDsKY]

Archer said "Kono Hikari wa Towa ni Todok-anu Ou no Ken." (Japanese: この光は永久(/永遠)に届かぬ王の剣。) or "This light is the sword of the king, but I can never reach out to him(actually her)." when translated into English.

[@kamataro1482]

Sounds like what Fate Shirou would say if he gave up on reaching Saber again.

[@sutatenken1653]

@@kamataro1482 Well IIRC the timeline the Servant Emiya comes from does just that. it fallows the fate route but he gives up on reaching saber and then goes on a quest that leads to his death and creating a pact with the World and becoming a Counter Guardian.

[@youraveragemachine1013]

@@sutatenken1653 it was imply that it's an alternate version of fate route that shirou failed to save artoria's heart,it might mean that EMIYA never fell in love with artoria as much as fate route shirou did,also And extra emiya is actually nameless,an actual heroic spirit and not a Guardian

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Nameless is different than even the alternate Fate Route Shirou that becomes Archer. Nasu has never really explained in detail the divergence between Nameless and Emiya other than implied instances of being a lot more Kiritsugu-lite with modern weapons than his magic as well as taking the mooncell deal instead of the Counter Force deal. Some of the CGs from Extra also imply that Rin and Shinji were his sidekicks (You can see a blue haired man standing next to him in one of them) before the usual Archer betrayal thing happened.

[@rgm96x49]

Give up, Gawain! That guy you're fighting banged your king in one continuity!

[@mihai000000]

more like 2.

[@therodrigosaurio1093]

@@mihai000000 Hollow Ataraxia?

[@トーキ-g8v]

@@therodrigosaurio1093 archers timeline is basically Shirou’s except he didn’t save Saber, meaning there’s a high chance he banged her in the church after being chased by Berserker

[@UchihaMadara0727]

Wonder if Gawain has special dialogues when Archer uses Excalibur....

[@willgm3500]

You probably don't want an answer after this long, but its actually impossible to use Excaliber image when fighting Gawain, since you need to have UBW active in order to use it (and you don't get the ability to use it until a little over halfway into the game)

[@Crok425]

@@willgm3500 But don't you get UBW during the week fighting Assassin? Or is that just Extra?

[@willgm3500]

@@Crok425Excaliber image is only a move in CCC. It's not in the original extra. And you only fight Gawain in CCC as an optional fight during the first chapter of the game (A fight you can't even win until NG+)

[@fatloser6913]

@@willgm3500 pretty sure it is also in extella link

[@smokerxluffy]

I'm pretty sure that originally EMIYA was supposed to be able to project Excalibur, since the A++ rank was within the bounds of UBW and there never really was the same issue as with Ea being shown as being unprojectable. I think it was built up as the Ultimate of the Ultimate, the "Final Skill" for Shirou after he had complete mastery over UBW as the whole VN builds up for that moment. It's only that afterwards Nasu realized how utterly broken UBW was, what with copying stats and skills, psychometry, swordspam etc etc. and that that didn't really mesh with his "underdog" theme that he had for Shirou and Archer. So we got interviews with strange nerfs and databook entries that make little sense and a sequel where the main character isn't really Shirou despite being Shirou and thus has forgotten everything about how to fight despite having the knowledge of all three routes. So despite that fact that in half of the series where UBW shows up, Excalibur is projected, Nasu's official stance on the matter is that it's not possible. Also note that he's in multiple interviews admitted to being a compulsive liar. "I'm an alien from planet liar, so I have to lie at least once a day or I'll die." as he said on typemoon.org.

[@MDKGunner]

M.E. YA4P Shirou and EMIYA can project Excalibur but it would be a suicide attack as the moment they do use the NP part of the sword it would drain all of their mana to the point where it would kill them

[@jimbob1862]

I never got that, doesn't Shirou outright project it in the Heavens Feel normal end?

[@smokerxluffy]

+jamal munir Sure, Shirou even acknowledges in Sparks Liner High that he could project it against Saber, but it would take too long and that he wouldn't be able to handle it.

[@Odysseus1ful]

Nasu really hates Archer, he nerf Archer way too much

[@alphax-shroom6781]

Something I've always thought about, HF shiro could match saber in combat(despite only one of his arms having the archer steroids to fight her) and projected Excalibur. But that was only 1 of his arms and shiro doesn't have a lot of mana, and he didn't use ubw for it- doesn't that mean archer is fucking ridiculous in his mana output that only 1 arm can make excalibur? Not to mention that in the ubw route archer invoked ubw after fighting in a though battle against lancer, saber, shiro and then shiro much later and then escape Gil , then invoke a 4 petalled rho aias and then shit Gil in the face with a projected bow(bows and shield are 5 gives harder to project than swords) while still wounded from impaling or healing himself through even more mana. Not to mention either that heroic spirts are boosted based on their fame and EMIYA is not famous so he isn't that boosted from his lifetime. Also if he really is from an alterd fate route, then saber stole a shit ton of his magic circuits. How is this man not a top servant despite all the shit he can do.

[@Thentavius]

"Koitsu wa sukoshi bakkari shitsukoi zo." "This one's a just little bit persistent." Nice understatement, No Name.

[@ПетрБарчуков-о8с]

Well it's already a beaten point on whenever he can or can't use Excalibur. In Fate UBW route Archer said himself that he could create an imperfect version of it though using it would kill him. And in Heaven Feel route Shirou used it and it wasn't any less powerful than original at first glance, but since it was a move of man on verge of his death, so it unknown whenever it was something he could repeat or him going beyond his limit. In Extra it's said that due to special condition and the fact that he used an imperfect version it was possible. In Kaleid Liner Ilya first Excalibur tracing was... well equal to the original but this might have been the case of Ilya having gigantic reserves than anything else. Later on the version that Kuro uses is compared to the of paper copy. Well fanfiction is no source of material just entertainment so things taken from there are not legit per-se.

[@ПетрБарчуков-о8с]

The real thing I'm interested about is this Mythological Armor Archer (No Name) get's. I could not find any information on it's specifics or background. If anyone knows could you please tell me.

[@Phoniexwings]

Петр Барчуков its maybe his origin armor he unlocks around chapter 7 in fate/extra ccc when you beat the zero model in the story line its kinda like to unlock his full power storywise against bb since she's so powerful, idk o.o i just looked at the wiki

[@ПетрБарчуков-о8с]

***** It helps him not to get 99999 damage, I know. But what the story behind it. Origin Armor? Is it connected to his Origin of sword or his title of Wrought Iron Hero? That the particular detail I want to know about. In other words it's story wise background not game related (unless there is more to it than negating damage).

[@kasuto4811]

sorry for my late answer but in ubw archer said he could make a convincing replica and that he could duke it out with saber but he told her geuss what happens when two holy swords clash to the people close to you

[@zaki7583]

@@kasuto4811 I love how emiya is basically saying "don't use that sword or I swear I'll get us all killed"

[@0mnituens]

"No Name" and EMIYA are slightly different, and not just in personality. NN is a more proper Heroic Spirit, as his Noble Phantasm is literally classified as UBW. In Fate, EMIYA is noted to have a makeshift NP in UBW, and that because he doesn't have a true NP he's weaker physically than all other proper Servants. You can even see the diff in their stats a lil. NN has better luck and strength by a letter. It's probably partially due to NN making his deal with the Moon Cell, where the war is.

[@RunePlaysGames]

... Did Archer just use Excalibur Image as a point blank Broken Phantasm?

[@MDKGunner]

TheRunedEXP Yep he did :D

[@kaatoshiijii6143]

He cannot use Excalibur in other real world.

[@kaatoshiijii6143]

In digital reality world, there’s no problem to use all of his mana. This world is unlimited.

[@cynt4416]

Kurt CG Lozano He can, it's just not worth it.

[@arthurpendragon5934]

He could, but only as counter guardian. As an Archer, he lacks the mana to do so. As a Guardian, he has almost infinite mana

[@Lumpus64]

Think of it as Archer's tribute to Excalibur. Archer in the visual novel once mentioned he could have tried to make the Excalibur he traced good enough to at least fire a beam from it. And one his lines for the move is "Can you withstand this -fragment- of a true holy sword?" (or something like that) It wasn't the matter of whether he couldn't trace the sword, it was the matter of whether he can recreate it as perfectly as his other weapons. (Sorry if my English isn't good)

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

Male Hakuno with Emiya is hot, man...

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

Gawain: You dare insult me with that sword!

[@MDKGunner]

There's also the fact that Arturia's actual Prana supply is HUGE to the point where she would be one of the best Casters ever if she learnt how to use magic her Magic Circuit is a Dragon's afterall

[@jackxfrostxx]

3:30 EXCALIBUR! Hot damn, I can't believe they allowed him to use that... still love it though!

[@Isthatsimple]

I'm actually quite impressed that I remember most of it after 6 years, but do tend to use wikia now to refresh my memory.I don't think my statement was 'dumb',especially since the word overrated never implied Excalibur is a bad weapon.Like you said before, its a great ace that turns battle around -like most NPs should be - but it also incredibly cripples its user by its cost. To that, I find Caliburn to more efficient and elegant.You will disagree, but calling it dumb is below a 'huge fan' level

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

It doesn't change the fact that Saber was extremely weakened at that point. While an OHKO might be too optimistic, the outcome will still be different if Saber was at full strength. The amount of times she can use Excalibur is irrelevant. A NP is a trump card, meant to win a battle on use. Like Ea. Btw, the finishing blow wasn't all Shirou. Saber lent a hand, which probably boosted the attack power. Caliburn is a rank lower than Excalibur. A++ is quite a lot. A = 50. '++' is 3x. So it's 150.

[@Isthatsimple]

I commented on the Excalibur-Caliburn from EMIYA#0/No-Name/Shirou perspective. Saber at full power, based on UBW, was as strong as berserker. With Sakura as master, she defeated berserker with ease (Though black excalibur is completely diffrerent weapon). Excalibur is stronger and has better range, but extreme inefficient in terms of power. Shirou traces Caliburn with ease and gets better results with single weapon than anyone had against Berserker.

[@edrianjude]

I want to see Archer's raining sword skill.@,@

[@jackxfrostxx]

I think I read about that somewhere, it probably isn't surprising since Arturia can use it without an issue yet this is due to the fact she IS the one who originally wielded the sword.

[@Tyztube21]

Due to the abilities of the Moon Cell, the ability of wrought iron has increased to Holy Sword class level. But Garcher can only get up to a mere single weak beam attack and not the full thing.

[@alguan8088]

The wrought iron thing is complete BS. A reality marble is basically overwriting what didn't exist and what did exist on a hard drive. Like Shirou says, it's what he sees in his image. (Actually, he doesn't have the circuit power to pull off a 300% Excaliblast like Saber does in the end of each Fate route. He had B ranked mana for a reason. 300% means prana burst.) Besides, tracing it takes too long, thus not being applicable for battle until UBW is deployed or enemy is charging up their attack like in Fate Kaleid Liner. Excalibur=200MB, Kanshou&Bakuya=15MB. Simple?

[@Tyztube21]

I'm just reading what Kinoko Nasu said in the Fate Extra Material Book in Archer's Unlimited Blade Works profile. He didn't even expect the animation of it as he quotes: In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior. Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way. Well it is new animation after all and there's no reason to reject it. So long as it's a degraded version, I guess it's okay.

[@JaftenLKA]

Tyztube21 Which is Nasu's way of saying something like "you get to use Excalibur, why are you complaining? It's not like this stuff is canon to the main series anyways..."

[@japz321]

JaftenLKA well its still canon in the nasuverse

[@JaftenLKA]

japz321 It's canon to a single divergent branch among the infinite alternate realities and timelines that is the Nasuverse... so it's canon to Fate/Extra, but not to Fate/stay night, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Tsukihime, Melty Blood, etc.

[@Isthatsimple]

This, I took from Type-Moon wikia about Black Excalibur :"Due to the corruption and the enormous amount of prana received from Sakura, Saber can fire this version of Excalibur without limit." Gil parred Excalibur with Gram in Fate route on the bridge if I remember correctly. Gram was archetype of Caliburn, so Gil has at least 2 weapons as strong as Excalibur (Ea being one). Apparently, Gil had at least 12 weapons strong enough to kill Berserker (meaning A-rank)

[@zaki7583]

Gram is known as the most powerful Demonic sword so its possible for it to be just as destructive as Excalibur. Also here's a like after 7 years

[@Tiaineo]

Yes, he'd instantly fade away. If he traced Excalibur, he'd do a suicide attack, a "taking you with me" style.

[@Tiaineo]

Because it was constructed by the Fey and enchanted. It was made by hands not of this world using this world's materials, where Ea has no origin or belongs anywhere on this plane.

[@jackxfrostxx]

Ah, I didn't know that to be honest... but I find it to be awesome that he has some of his moves there. Nero, Emiya, and Tamamo were my favorites and Gil's working his way up there also. Anyways, pretty much unexpected to even see it here, I thought he was getting something like that move where he had his swords going after people like in the movie.

[@Tiaineo]

Not quite, but he did take armor and appearance notes from the prototype Saber.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

Black Excalibur is the exact same as Light Excalibur. Just because one is black, and one is light doesn't mean much. They're both A++ in ranking. Excalibur is inefficient in terms of mana consumption, and so it can't be spammed like Lancer's Gae Bolg. However, its power is supreme. Shirou won because the situation called for it. Would you say that Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon blades are stronger than Excalibur because they defeated Berserker with ease? Of course not.

[@juanpablogomezescalonillaa7060]

He should be able to trace it (or at least, a good enough copy, in his words), but using it is another matter. As Ascarde said, if Emiya (any of them) uses the true power of Excalibur, he would self-destruct. Unless he is in his Counter Force self. Then he has unlimited prana.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

The fact of that matter is that Caliburn isn't better than Excalibur. Being more 'efficient' is irrelevant if it's Saber, who has enough mana to strengthen each of her blows with Mana Burst. And 'elegant' is just a matter of your opinion. Even the wikia states that Caliburn is not as strong of a sword as Excalibur. If we're going by Shirou, then yes, Caliburn is better just because of his limitations. However, if it's Saber then the answer is obvious.

[@DOW1100]

does someone know what he says in the very last sequence when he uses Excalibur ? it sounds something like : kono hikari wa towa ni todoku no oh no ken. something about the light of the king's sword, I can't decipher the rest though as my Japanese is not that good :/

[@Phoniexwings]

DOW1100 i think its a bit translated here forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3373-Fate-EXTRA-CCC-Spoilers-Thread/page231 i don't know i may be wrong and stuff cuz i don;t know this type of thing hope it helps a bit

[@JR-gc4de]

Dude Gawain got slaughtered lmao!

[@ProjectTaker]

I kinda wished FGO had made that front flip slash his Buster Card from faraway and he would jump backwards to fire Caladbolg the up close one instead

[@MDKGunner]

Well EMIYA can project it but if he did then it would be a suicide attack since he doesn't have the reserves to use it even if he was in a contract with Illya he even admitted it himself in the VN

[@EstrategistaMKX]

What a great compilation!, to think you would even go through the trouble of adding different quotes, and all 5 Trace On circuits. Thank you very much!

[@z-v-x8324]

GAWD! these fan arguments! CHRIST! Archer, I love you man but, for Nasu's sake your complicated!

[@Tiaineo]

Concerning that whole Excalibur Image ability, even Nasu himself wasn't expecting it. He had to come up with an explanation because the developer's put it in without his consent.

[@Usernamesdontmatter1]

Ascarde Where did you get that information?

[@Phoniexwings]

darkfur3 Typemoon wiki its there in typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur check on the references

[@michaelgabriel9306]

***** For lazy people, here's the exact quote (translated from Japanese): "In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior. Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way. Well it is new animation after all and there's no reason to reject it. So long as it's a degraded version, I guess it's okay."

[@zerozephyrum2262]

He can trace almost everything that at least resembles a sword, but can only reach one rank below the original. This changes however if he decides to use it as a Broken Phantasm, which would increase the rank of the projected weapon.

[@iFail777]

.... I must have this outfit (getting CCC in a few days)

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

That doesn't mean it's different. It just means that Saber has an infinite amount of mana from her master, and can fire Excalibur without limit. It has nothing to do with her Excalibur being different. Heck, if regular Saber had this Sakura as her master, she can fire her Excalibur as much as she wants to. Gil parred Caliburn with Gram, not Excalibur. Where are you pulling this from, because it sounds ridiculous. Ea is obviously stronger, but that's besides the point.

[@angelcortes3485]

HF Shirou projects a shit version of excalibur in the normal end..

[@RuneIRL]

Yeah, but the version that this Archer traced isn't as strong, it looks like he used it as a melee Broken Phantasm to self destruct, much like Caladbolg. So it takes up alot of mana, but it isn't so much that his body would break apart

[@napoiskafarming669]

Looking hot with glasses

[@vergilheartnet]

it's called Excalipoor, LOL, since it's just an incomplete version of Excalibur, but still, its power is still destructive compared to average noble phantasms

[@Isthatsimple]

Excalibur is overrated - Caliburn is better. Shirou in Fate route, with no superhuman strenght, basic combat experience, was able to cut off Berserkers arm off and save Rin in process - a servant who was supposed to not be harmed by any weapon below B-rank. Excalibur flashy beam was able to killl Berserker once and then made Saber disappear and we reached dead end, and even with Rin bombastic mana level Saber was said to be only able to use the Excalibur 3 times before dying.

[@lild3838]

Why not use excalibur as an holy arrow.....

[@Isthatsimple]

I cannot find anything to prove your statement that Excalibur at full power would obliterate Berserker with one shot. With several, true, but like I said - even Rin, the best human magi in FSN series, was unable to give Saber enough power to shoot it more than 3 times. BTW. Shirou haxxed too much, not only knowledge but also purpose of the sword he created - to kill berserker. Thats how one hit killed him 7 times, because it was designed by Shirou to do that. No point tracing Excalibur then.

[@smokerxluffy]

How much damage do Crane Wing and Caladbolg do in UBW? I'm guessing a good 5k more damage for both, based on what it was in F/E. Though, I'm curious why both did 14k with maxed level, with the much higher mp cost it doesn't really seem worth it. Does Caladbolg just have a massive range in the damage potential, making it less reliable?

[@undefundead]

It's actually called, Excalibur Image. Because it's an extremely incomplete Excalibur, forming only the image of Excalibur and some of it's power. Unfortunately for the enemy, that's fraction of Excaliburs power is still overpowered

[@Derek-so9ym]

Wait, i see some text in english, is the story translatwd aswell?! Where did you get your hands on this???

[@avikdas9910]

how did you get eng subtitles

[@Phoniexwings]

why does youtube want me to check with spam god its annoying all comments are free let me see if i can fix it

[@NewG_JL]

Where did you get a fully translated English version of CCC?

[@TheBlaze22b]

???

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

can someone pleasee tell me what is the name of Archer noble phantasm sountrack...

[@Phoniexwings]

Izwan Bahrin it is called emiya it has lots of remixs this happens to fate/extra rendition

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

ouhh.. thank you berry verry much!!!! 😊😊😊

[@valkai5036]

It's literally his surname lmaoo

[@masterlordsempai426]

😱That damage tho

[@Maninredcape]

3:24 peak

[@Tiaineo]

That's less along the lines of raw power and instead the fact that Ea simply has no materials that originate of this plane. To clarify, Archer states he can trace Excalibur, but it wouldn't really do anything except serve as a "taking you with me" attack as he would fade away after exhausting his prana.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

Are you forgetting that Saber was insanely weakened at that point? She was struggling to keep herself from disappearing. Using Excalibur when her mana supply was practically zero, while having an incompetent master is suicidal, which is why Shirou stopped her. When Shirou projected Caliburn, he also projected its inner battle techinques. It's not him fighting, the sword is guiding him. You're sorely underestimating Saber's NP, which is A++ in rank. It would obliterate Berserker at full power.

[@NewG_JL]

Eng Translations when???

[@8TheDutch8]

Whats the effect of the pre projection skill / what does the number of projection's indicate?

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

And while it's been years since I've read the VNs, I remember it clearly, as I'm a huge Type-Moon fan. I know my stuff, and I think you saying that Excalibur is 'overrated' is a dumb statement.

[@random90909494085038]

I thought he was normally restricted from tracing Excalibur due to the mana cost. It's the same reason Shirou never tried tracing Excalibur.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

It isn't that hard to remember that particular scene as that was when Avalon was introduced, but anyways... Me disagreeing with your false statement makes me 'below a huge fan' level? That's quite a stretch there. At any rate, only Saber can wield Excalibur effectively because she has an enormous amount of mana to use. Shioru wouldn't be able to use it or he risks killing himself, so Caliburn fits him more since it isn't as cost-heavy. Excalibur is to Nuke, where Caliburn is to a missile, yeah?

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

In fact, just from Gilgamesh destroying Caliburn with Gram, we can prove that Excalibur is stronger, as that would never happen to Excalibur.

[@Masaru_isamu]

Wrong it CAN be done..but its kinda like a end game...Shiro in one of the Routs.. right at the end.And it cost him his life..i'm guessing they did this Excalibur image as Archer's Strongest attack.since it did bullcrap damage.. lol gilgamesh's weapon cannont be traced tho lol

[@natchu96]

Fair enough. Just curious.

[@Isthatsimple]

KZbin comment limit is a bitch, isn't it :D Your really stuck on Saber, while I'm only comparing weapons from perspective of tracing. I don't believe its relevant to discuss Saber power output. Also, I don't remember Gilgamesh destroying Caliburn, I remember him canceling out Excalibur with Gram, then he used Ea to overpower Saber. Few of those scenes I remember despiute them not being in anime, hopefully correctly, it was really long time ago I read the visual novel.

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

You should really replay the VNs to refresh your memory. In that case, let me tell you how it happened. Saber uses Excalibur against Ea, fails spectacularly, and is rendered immobile. Shirou fends for himself by projecting Caliburn. Gilgamesh explains how he owns the prototype of all NP, even Caliburn, then proceeds to take out Gram. Shirou tries to fight, but Gram slices through his Caliburn like butter, and nearly cuts Shirou in half. Canceling out Excalibur and whatnot... that's some memory.

[@ItachiiXSaber]

You should show when he use AEGIS against noble fantasm from Lancer awesome cutescene

[@Phoniexwings]

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[@Eweiit]

What exactly does Unlimited Blade Works do in this game? Does it increase damage or ensure Projection success or what?

[@Eweiit]

@@mr.jokermaker4539 Helpful. What does it buff?

[@Eweiit]

@@mr.jokermaker4539 The bell rung when I was online. That being said, if you don't know the answer, don't reply.

[@natchu96]

Why this outfit?

[@carljosefruga8389]

hey does anyone know here cheat codes for unlocking servant skills ? i have all cw cheats for feccc except for all skills usables, hope anyone can help me

[@Phoniexwings]

they learn the skills normally at around lv 38 or so but you can find the codes at vgcheat _C0 Enable all skills regardless of level _L 0x20028334 0x1000000B

[@carljosefruga8389]

@@Phoniexwings thanks! it does work bud very well, but do u have cheat code to unlock its np ?

[@dracnix64]

Um.....Can you give me Link to Fate Extra CCC english Patched??

[@alguan8088]

no such thing exists... (maybe)

[@namelessbloodedge3162]

how you made the 99999 damage?

[@TheTrueBro]

I imagine Gawain is the prototype version of the Saber we all know?

[@DbzInfiniteMaster]

IS this a translated version?!?!? where did you get your hands on this!?

[@albertss100]

nice!!

[@philipmarlowe3608]

fireis

[@r0gamer94]

did not know archer could use Excalibur

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

And anyways, if you actually use the Type-Moon wikia, then it should be damn obvious that Excalibur is superior to Caliburn. Do you realize that you're saying that an A++ Noble Phantasm is weaker than a projected Caliburn? The basis of your argument with Shirou is faulty because Saber NEVER used Excalibur on Berserker at full power. So what a projected Caliburn took out 7 lives? Excalibur could have taken out 10 lives, how can you prove that Caliburn is stronger? You can't, and it's NOT.

[@LstepmaniaL]

He can use anything baby. = w=-b

[@0mnituens]

Compared to Avalon and Ea's Enuma Elish, all other Noble Phantasms are overrated! LOL ^_^

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