Fate/Samurai Remnant Bad Ending and Final Boss Entreat the Darkness 4K

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[@shiroutheherotraceon3313]

Type Moon really loves mentally unwell protagonists, huh? Shiki Ryougi, Shiki Tohno, Shirou Emiya. The list goes on.

[@redline49]

Hakuno wasn't exactly all there either, even despite being an amnesiac...

[@rionyascaret1004]

I still think there’s something wrong with Ritsuka too tbh

[@redline49]

@@rionyascaret1004 Oh no, for sure. All the shit Ritsuka went through in the singularities to save the world, and then the shit he's gone through in the lostbelts, actively having to destroy worlds after getting to know and bond with the inhabitants? No, yeah, dude is fucked in the head, no idea how he's still sane.

[@tsurugi5]

@@rionyascaret1004ritsuka is still not a character, the attempts at salvaging one from the literal non-entity cameraman he was 99 percent of the time is a pointless endeavor

[@rindou97]

Rather than mentally unwell, I'd say the trope here is "characters who seem normal but during the second part of the story show how they really were but you didn't realize" and recontextualizes everything. Shirou, the bad Shiki, BB, Kirschtaria, Oberon, Castoria, Rin, Soujuurou, Elisabeth... yeah this is Nasu's fetish.

[@jadeanimepiano6143]

Iori isn't exactly like Kirei in that he doesn't explicitly find joy in other's suffering. He lives for the thrill of battle, the fight to the death. His entire character can basically be summed up like that.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

He could have become an executor then? DA are still rampant in the modern day and those above rank 5 are close to servants in physical power if not anything else while even the weakest of DAA's are at the level of servants with the top tier DAA's being closer to the Divine Spirits in power.

[@rindou97]

That's why he's like Kirei. Kirei strived to live happy when he couldn't due what made him feel realized. For Kirei it is joy in suffering, for Iori it is fighting for the sword without morals restricting him. Both live in worlds which doesn't allow them to pursue what makes them happy.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

@@rindou97 Nasuverse is a world filled with conflict. I don't think he'd have a lack of foes to slaughter if joined the demon hunter organization or the( as unlikely as that ) the Holy Church. Kirei is fundamentally evil. Iori is a battle maniac. He won't stoop to attacking defenseless civillians Or children.

[@rindou97]

@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane He could have joined Zheng in his doomed war. But he decided to not do it. And, again, I didn't say Iori is like Kirei 1:1. I say his conflict is pretty similar since he lives in a country where the path of the sword is no longer needed but his blade seeks to improve by spilling blood. They both tried to live properly in a society where his deepest wishes are not morally correct. Iori is a person whose sense of morals is akin to Shirou, his inversion impulso and thrist similar de Shiki (without being completely mental and a rapist) and his moral conflict comparable to Kirei.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

@@rindou97 That's correct. Also your commet just made me realize that Iori might be Shiki's ancestor similar to how Muramasa is Shirou's ancestor. It's not implausible considering that Iori has the sword skills, superhuman physique and bloodlust to be a demon hunter(although that's just speculation)

[@ridoing9969]

IF this ever gets an Anime, I want this ending to be animated. It is so full of conflict and complexity, I would love it.

[@evrest9166]

Pls just as OVA and not the real anime ending thou cause ngl i too like this ending cause i love when MC actually do what they want not following moral right justice and bullshit but for kid to watch this is too much no ?

[@tronovonflidder775]

@@evrest9166 Bruh are you stupid? How is Fate meant for kids at all?

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@evrest9166 Nah, who said this is meant for kid?

[@BioMatic2]

@@evrest9166 who is the hell is taking kids to watch fate? By that logic the Haeven's Feel movies shouldnt have been made, heck neither Zero or even UBW.

[@kpxtreame]

type moon games never had "true endings" but this is definetly meant to be the final ending, its the thematic climax of what the game is building towards. alot of this game is a parallel to other fate works and characters, Iori just happens to be one for Kirei, hiding his true self behind a mask of a hero.

[@bladehero8490]

They literally did though

[@LAGSAS]

@@bladehero8490 There is no 'canon' end to FSN, they are merely building upon the themes of the previous.

[@bladehero8490]

@@LAGSASbut each route has a true end same for tsukihime

[@phantasosxgames8488]

@@LAGSAS there is literally stated "bad ending" in FSN , let alone a "normal" and "true" ending for the 3 main routes: Fate , UBW and HF

[@bradleydrake6941]

​@@phantasosxgames8488even the extella games had a true ending

[@soralight_x]

21:35 That must be the most emotional sword clash in this game 😢

[@cryptoman6545]

Not gonna lie this feels more like the true ending than the other one

[@ashkirby8896]

Why though?🤨🤔🧐

[@cryptoman6545]

@@ashkirby8896has a more satisfying ending and feels a lot more fate like compared to the other 2

[@rabbss830]

​@@cryptoman6545because this is the true ending, the 'true ending' you guys thinks were actually just one of the normal ending that you got if you choose to chase tsucimikado instead of assassin.

[@emincash6931]

​@@rabbss830Right? You can only get this ending where Iori dies like this in ng+

[@zarithevill]

@@rabbss830 Nope, every ending in Fate are considered True as it its multiversal meaning each ending diverges & creates new branches of universes. That's why we have Bad Kirei from FSN and Good Kirei from F/Illya and reasons why different versions of Jeanne exists to be summoned as it is multiversal. Each ending routes just give better contexts for you to puzzle together because this "Entreat the Darkness" ending still have plotholes for Zheng and Yui. Besides, Iori actually have 2 wishes which are to "master the sword' and "have Kaya live a happy life" but both wishes contradict with one-another due to Kaya housing Otachibana-Hime and thus if Iori let the Waxing Moon go-on then it will jeopardize Kaya. I bet you 100% that 3 different Iori's will be summon-able in Fate/Grand Order - Good Iori, Bad/Altered Iori and the Joke Iori from Gilgamesh/Boss ending as all of those Ioris have been recorded within the Throne of Heroes due to their respective feats. Fate's "True Ending" doesn't mean that it's something you unlock in "NG+" unlike other games because if it is then it's like saying F/Stay night's Realta Nua is "True" when in reality it's Not True due to the fact that each FSN endings actually gave birth to different respective games/medias.

[@orrthehunter]

For those who do not know yet. The Fate/Samurai Remnent event in Fate/grand order is a direct continuation of the Bad Ending storyline. Showing the consequences of Iori's actions here.

[@orga7777]

You can't even call this a bad ending. This is what Iori always wanted to begin with. This is who he is.

[@soralight_x]

Thankfully Iori has no memory of the endings.

[@Vuoiji]

I like how Iori continues with honor even after becoming a "villain", he doesn't use a command seal for Saber to take her own life, he wants to overcome Saber in a sword fight, and Saber gives a fair fight and doesn't use too much magic so as not to deplete Iori magic while still fighting with everything

[@Daniel-di5ml]

Why would he do that lol, he wanted to fight saber to death from the start, ordering them to kill themselves would be unsatisfying to him

[@mickchan6584]

may be part of lori's true wish is to fight saber, thats why he didnt use the command seal. The ultimate sword technique he saw is Musashi'sword under that night, saber noble phantasm and Kojirō's Tsubame Gaeshi. So we havent fight Kojirō yet. May be future dlc.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

​@@mickchan6584Man this is kind of idiotic. Type Moon is just a step lower than an apocalypse world . Even in the modern Age we see plenty of Horrendous threats and powerfull entities in Case files and Adventures of Lord el melloi. Did no one tell Iori of the existence of the 27 DAA? He could have become an executor or Enforcer in the Clocktower since he knows magecraft.He would have found plenty of powerfull foes.

[@Patcheresu]

@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane Iori is in a "Fate" pruned timeline, not a "Tsukihime" pruned timeline. The DAA are either contained or not even really active in the year this takes place in. The point is that a person who exists only to prove themselves in the death of others like Iori is meaningless in this time of peace. That's what makes it so tragic. If Iori was from Proper Human History, he could have ascended to the Throne of Heroes and lived a perfect afterlife, constantly crossing swords. But Pruned Timeline, era of Peace, he will never achieve the one thing he wants the most. Interestingly enough, choosing this path leads to the least amount of bloodshed of any ending. Only the bad guys die. Everyone else who could have died in Chapter 6 is spared.

[@rindou97]

​@@mickchan6584And Yagyuu Munenori's, apparently

[@internetjerk2839]

I've always liked the endings in Nasuverse games where Master and Servant part ways yeah we all want to see Master end up with his Waifu but the idea of them parting leaving an indelible mark on each other forever just seems more touching

[@iamthestormthatisapproaching69]

_Sometimes the path furthest to the end will lead to a decision you regret making. You've reached the point when you cannot make any more decisions. The main character, who you play as, will refuse to let the player take control over his actions. It is game over whether you like it or not as you've reached the tip of the mountain._

[@Methyll]

Iori born too late and too early for the life he wanted, too late and missed the conflicts of the Samurai eras and Too early before Japan's Imperialistic eras

[@hassanediallo2822]

5:23 This is the only ending where chiemon actually dies a heroic death

[@RappingNinja]

I really think we should’ve played this ending as Saber, from their POV.

[@leonpaul7751]

This game was fucking traumatizing lmfao. I'm still in shambles over this ending.

[@chroniclej2439]

I’m actually kind of glad the ending didn’t show Kaya’s full reaction to his death. I was already a bit choked up, I don’t think I could’ve handled that.

[@jacksonmiltin4199]

I got to say this is the best ending by far in the game (in my opinion)

[@Vuoiji]

I really like this ending, Caster fought a little, Chiemon and Jalter had a more decent defeat, and the final fight was more interesting, with a sad ending and an emotional story

[@user-kx4cf7iy5u]

Hoooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 21:35 That must be the most emotional sword clash in this game 😢 セイバー CV:山村響 宮本伊織 CV:河西健吾

[@hafirenggayuda]

The bad ending seems more complete than previous one

[@ashkirby8896]

Why though?🤨🤔🧐

[@centurionzo1228]

​@@ashkirby8896The true ending is the shortest, the final boss is kinda lame and they kinda just wasted both Lancer and her master This one they have some kind of personality, the MC character shows some resolution and it's way more emotional

[@hafirenggayuda]

​​@@centurionzo1228yeah. Also, lots of players prefer this ending being canon, it have more impact

[@rabbss830]

@@hafirenggayuda this is the true ending tho

[@tronovonflidder775]

@@rabbss830 Bro nah, it's far too depressing. This ending is but another route of many. They are all canon.

[@azhard6316]

Bad Ending>>> All Ending

[@ashkirby8896]

Why though?🤨🤔🧐

[@azhard6316]

@@ashkirby8896 It's executed really well. Give more impact than any other ending. (In my opinion)

[@claytabulusshogun]

Speak for yourself, Gil ending is the best ending!

[@goodknight3072]

So I did the endings in order good > bad > true, and I could have swore I had 100% on the bad ending, but now after completing the true ending it says 79%. I'm at 100% digressions and 98% Lunar Chronicles. Is this a glitch or am I going to have to do yet another run?

[@leonpaul7751]

When you the ray of light route again, when you get to the waxing grail, you'll get the option to "do not destroy" when you do that, you'll get exclusive cutscenes that will get entreat the darkness to 100%. So to simplify -- Ray of light complete Flames of resentment complete Start FoR route -> do not destroy -> Entreat the Darkness (79%) Start RoL route -> do not destroy -> Entreat the Darkness (100%)

[@goodknight3072]

@@leonpaul7751 I figured it out but I appreciate the reply

[@ananda9133]

I cant believe I'm typing this, but I'm kinda hoping that the bad ending is canon.

[@plinfan6541]

The moment when you realise you are not playing Samurai Shiro, you are playing Samurai Kirie.

[@atpr3241]

They're all canon. Thats the beauty of Type-Moon

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

So, is Iori here basically the same premise as Shura Sekiro? EDIT: It just hit me - he got taught by a sword saint and even has his own "Kuro" - the apropriately named Takeru

[@shadow7179]

yes, Iori realized that in order to fulfill his dream to become the ultimate swordmaster he would need to fight and kill others in battle which is something impossible in a time of peace. so in the bad end he was going to use the Grail (Waxing Moon Ritual) to plunge Japan into endless war so Saber killed him here to prevent that from happening. The other endings Iori gave up on that dream to live peacefully with his family.

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

@@shadow7179 figures The theme of "child exposed to violence grows up to become enamored by it"

[@paponvichchattrapronvichia4126]

We cannot have a Typemoon protag who is no mentally broken.

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

@@paponvichchattrapronvichia4126 "How can I be a Badass Mofo in this time of peace?" "What about all the good things war has done for us?"

[@markgilberk6248]

​@@shadow7179depends in true ending it has ominous message that while ritual was stopped Iori blade is still unsated.

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

Fate/Samurai Remnant

[@SikeNawGaming]

This "BAD ENDING" seems like the TRUE ENDING to me. Musashi, both Male and Female knew the kind of person Iori really was before anyone else, a Samurai knows another Samurai when they see one! Thats why in all other endings, Iori was not SATISFIED, so this ending is for the best~

[@phantasosxgames8488]

yes , Musashi knew Iori's nature , and still called him kind , and teached him to live in an era of peace. In the whole HGW , Iori choose the more pacific while Saber choose the more warlike options. Koxinga himself asked Iori to go with him to China and wage war with him , something that could definetely satisfy his blade , yet Iori denied and even Musashi says Iori wouldn't choose that. Iori in the "Ray of Light" , says he will not falter. Which is why this one is a "Bad Ending" , it's one in which Iori's will falters to his impulses. It's not unlike Tohno Shiki faltering to his impulses. It's just that such "bad ending" is the one in which Iori is the happiest , that is the twist. Of course , all of that could had been solved if Iori had turned into a Counter-Guardian.

[@SikeNawGaming]

@@phantasosxgames8488 And the fact that this "Bad Ending" not only is Iori happy, but we got the most information as well, the other endings just DIDNT FEEL RIGHT, like it was purposely feeling INCOMPLETE. This "Bad ending" is the most COMPLETE ending, so it is the REAL ENDING TO ME based on what i've seen lol

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

​@@phantasosxgames8488Maybe Iori could have joined the demom hunter organization? Maybe he married into the Nanaya's lol. Would surely explain the bloodlust and similarities in design.

[@griswo3272]

more like the trash ending ugh ugh ugh

[@SikeNawGaming]

@@griswo3272 Not gonna always be happy endings! 😂

[@emincash6931]

This is more like thw true ending pretty sure

[@evrest9166]

Ngl thoubi wish he win i know it would make him evil but i just thought maybe if he actually beat saber he would stop or something but i know it would be bad writting just because i want it to end peacefully but damn come on he come so far and so close to defeate saber

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

宮本伊織 CV:河西健吾

[@theladymeyneth6775]

Not going to watch, but can someone explain (without spoilers) how you choose an ending? For an idea of where I am, I just made an important choice in Chapter 4.

[@GamersPrey]

1st playthrough you only get one ending 2nd playthrough you have a choice near the end to get the bad and true ending 3rd ending is completing all of boss (Gilgamesh )digressions

[@dash327]

Small sidenote to what GamersPrey said: You CAN get the true ending on a first playthrough. I know because I did. The bad ending is the only one locked until a second playthrough.

[@abdallahounes5548]

I think in the end iori was simply unable of killing saber and just let himself be killed. That final strike missing felt really intentional to me.

[@kpxtreame]

he didnt miss, just it showed that as Iori learned from others, Saber learned that from him. he failed to see just how much Saber listened to his way and cared about him until right then, when she uses a technique of his own to catch him off guard.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

​​@@kpxtreameHow is he able to even keep up with saber physically?

[@zeryuouros4411]

@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane because she never went all out? From what I see here, the battle between Takeru and Iori is similar to Musashi vs Iori, a fight of pure sword skills. No enhance strenght, no servant skills, no NP.

[@Slayerofall21]

Remind me again: Which chapter stated this timeline had already been wiped out of existance?

[@KisiroKitsune]

The game doesn't say it, but the material book says this is a Lostbelt.

[@zeryuouros4411]

not a lostbelt but a pruned timeline.

[@Sizdothyx]

You thought you were playing as a Shirou? Too bad, you were playing as a Kirei all along!

[@soralight_x]

Yui-chan is pretty much the Shirou of this game.

[@Blue-Code]

Spoiler Here because FGO's colab story with F/SR is the continuation of the Bad Ending. It's kinda funny that a lot of people say the Bad Ending is good for Iori's character, but the event story not only criticize Iori's choices in this route but also shows the consequences for him taking it.

[@yoshikiharo1020]

What was Kaya's reaction?

[@herald8855]

probably turns into the 15th, revives him and thats how the DLC stories will begin.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

​​@@herald885515th what? DAA? Iv not played the game just watched the Playthroughs.

[@herald8855]

@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane i didnt want to spoil the game on purpose so thats why i said that lol

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

This whole ending really felt like Code Geass with Lelouch's sister being devastated seeing her brother dead. Really excited how this will tie with the DLCs. This definitely felt more complete than the other endings considering this one was the one where Iori felt most satisfied.

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

So... I'm not fighting my best friend to the death, Type-Moon. -_- _Why can't we ever just have a happy ending?!_

[@Mariner797]

You know, as bitter sweet as it is, at least Iori died the way he wanted: In a good fight.

[@orrthehunter]

ya...that is not so good as people thought anymore since we now know the consequences of Iori's actions here in Fate/Grand Order from the Fate/Samurai Remnent event since they made that a direct continuation of the Bad Ending route storyline. Let us just say Iori's wish came at a very high price.

[@Sherg843]

​@@orrthehunter Care to explain? Sorry If I'm dumb

[@orrthehunter]

@@Sherg843 the crossover event in Fate/GO literally continues the story right where the bad ending left off. Iori, having fulfilled his own desires, had all his nonviolent/Good side split off creating a version of himself that has none of his darker desires. Now that version of him travels the Nasuverse just like Musashi did before she became Data Lost. There are other effects of the Iori dies route but that is better off being seen by going through the story of the SR crossover event.

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

セイバー CV:山村響

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

Go!プリンセスプリキュア

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

💛天ノ川きらら💛 💛CV:山村響💛

[@user-cu5jj8pn3e]

💛キュアトゥインクル💛 💛CV:山村響💛

[@samu9629]

Saber isn't the final boss, Iori is. You're just playing as him.

[@soralight_x]

Would had been nice if they gave as the Option of who to play us in this ending & getting a different ending depending on who you choose. Similar to Injustice 2.

[@ricram7267]

It cant be.......shura...oh fuck

[@sergobot2213]

The True Ending

[@alexstar9871]

Why the hell people say this is the canon ending? This is mostly a what if, Iori dies in 1678,27 years after the WMR. This ending is basically a Lostbelt.

[@rabbss830]

Canon to nasuverse

[@alexstar9871]

@@rabbss830 this is like saying that Heaven's Feel is the canon ending of FSN just because it's the third.

[@nightwing5417]

It comes accross as the most complete and has the most emotional weight. Through the entire game Iori is said to have been born in the wrong era. Even in the other routes it's hinted that he has a wish that only possible with the grail.

[@BloodyKILLER15]

This entire game is basically non-canon since it is confirmed to be a pruned timeline

[@kpxtreame]

id say its the canon ending cause it completes Iori's arc which builds up through both playthroughs of the game, also when you get the other two endings a message pops up about "the thirsting sword not yet being quenched" only in this ending is Iori contented and put to rest. the logbook ending of the other two ending implies it further, with Iori getting a happy ending with at added line at the end of "this is how it should be... right?"

[@nobuffer101]

Fate/Samurai Remnant? Nah. *Fate/Sekiro Remnant.* Wolf & Iori secretly crave blood but fight to obtain/protect a vessel of mythical power that may grant someone’s wish and can really only be stopped by a “God of the Sword” who is like a friend to them.

[@livanbard]

Since the game has no strafe animation the fights look GOOFY lol

[@dilemmaEDM]

Wow. I got the true ending in my game and came here to watch this. This ending would have come out of absolutely nowhere if it was in my game. Iori was like a completely different person. So glad I didn’t get this one. I don’t like this Iori at all.

[@LAGSAS]

play it again for the extra NG+ scenes. This isn't by itself.

[@nicklaschristensen4696]

Sakura taisen 7 ps5

[@GambledMyhouse]

So we don’t kill Saber? That’s fucking lame

[@lekhaclam87]

That's a Servant. Most humans don't stand a chance against those.

[@GambledMyhouse]

@@lekhaclam87 I wanted my boy to be built different even if he was just a jobber

[@GnosisZX]

Iori should have planned made a few demonic friends and merged with them

[@herald8855]

i think Iori only wanted to be felled. im unsure he really wanted to kill Saber, even though in theory he should've been able to.

[@SikeNawGaming]

Nope, and Saber didnt really give all that much effort when you think about it lol

[@azerosblank5036]

Spoiler Alert! Honestly, the so called 'Bad End', as well as Iori's reasoning and motives are kind of stupid. He laments being in the wrong era, yet casually and conveniently 'forgets' he was offered the choice to be placed in one, one where he could have continued his swordsmanship. Zheng had made multiple offers to him to join him in China to help him with his cause (and an open offer to join him if Iori ever feels like it); and unlike certain Masters, Zheng survives in ALL routes and is still in Edo by the end of the Ritual, so there's no excuse for disregarding this offer. Not wanting to leave Japan and Kaya is a far stretch, since he's already subtly ascertained that Kaya could still live a happy life even without him wishing for it (or him at all) when Saber asked about his wish in one of the later chapters. And as for Japan, you could've told that he didn't really care for it considering his wish at the end in the bad route. It's just poor writing in my opinion that conveniently forces him into said silly decision that makes no sense whatsoever all for the sake of just having a 'Bad Route' forced into the game. Could have written a better Bad Route; one where the 15th Servant was successfully sacrificed, the Waxing Moon being used for something detrimental to Edo or unleashed upon Japan, and the only way to save Edo is some series of battle to the death thereby ending with the sacrifice of Iori and Saber after successfully saving Edo.

[@TypeORT]

Yeah, his wish doesn't make sense. I like to think that he just came up with it as an excuse to fight with Saber to the death.

[@waizoongwong6930]

The problem of Zheng's offers is that Lori doesn't seek for killing. He seeks to master swords, but he has been one of the greatest swordman/samurai in his era as he defeats Musashi the berserker. He can slaught in the war but that doesn't make him happy. Once he defeated most of the servants, the only one left, which is also the one he has been dreaming of defeating, is Saber.

[@HitsujiMamoru]

Sadly his wish makes sense: he wants to hone his blade and doesn't care for anything else. That said, to me, Iori comes off as an edgy teen in that ending, that's what I don't like about it. What doesn't work that well is how abrupt it feels. If there was a full blown chapter, and Kaya/Tachibana being involved to give Iori one more chance at staying on the path of peace (with no avail ofc) I would have accepted it better. I guess the way it should be interpreted (took me 3 months to come to that conclusion) is that Saber understood Iori was impossible to reason with and gave him a final farewell in the form of a duel to the death. As a friend, that's the best he could do. Either way, I still hate that I have liked this guy for 100 hours and they decided to tell me I was mistaken in the last 30 minutes of it. Even with the signs I had hope it wouldn't go that way. Alas that's what it is. Iori made me realize I like Kirei because he is an antagonist who chose to do evil, I'm not supposed to sympathize with him. Seeing him be defeated is a joy. Seeing Iori be defeated just gave a pokerface... I cried when Kaya appeared though. I want to like this ending for what it means, but there's too much I hate about it for that, including how it robbed my affection for the entire game. It will take time. Best of luck to everyone in my situation lol

[@azerosblank5036]

@@waizoongwong6930 That's like looking at a tree and purposefully averting your gaze at the forest. I'm sure there'll be plenty of skilled masters (swordsman etc) in China. Just not at Servant level, which is silly either way because a Servant has stats and magical powers boosted by myths etc, so he shouldn't be comparing himself against them in the first place. Musashi is a special case in that she's disappearing and not really capable of going all out at that point I think.

[@mariiriin]

@@azerosblank5036 after analyzing it thoroughly I agree with you. Even if people were to say he only wanted to fight strong servant-level opponents like Saber, that doesn't really match with his apparent wish to throw Japan into an endless war. If war is all he needs, then he should've just gone with Zheng. But if all he wanted was to fight against servant-level opponents like Saber, what was with the wish to throw Japan into war? It's not exactly gonna be a HGW in the first place. Its just gonna be people most likely weaker than him acting as mobs for him to easily slash through, not really something he'd be looking for. My personal HC is that his wish to throw Japan into endless chaos and war was just probably something; a convenient excuse he came up with to force Saber into a duel against him, like what someone previously said

[@anth4584]

Personally, the way they did this ending really ruined the whole story for me. I honestly hate how they forced this as being the “way the story should definitively end”, rather than allowing all the endings to work separately like Stay Night. Also, his motivations for this end just don’t make much sense to me. For much of the game, he feels well written. But with this end, if feels like they took some of that writing and tried to cram it into a mould that feels a bit like a cross between Fate/Zero’s Kirei and Goku.

[@soralight_x]

Hopefully we'll get more endings & routes along the line, as well as a 2nd & 3rd Season Pass DLCs.

[@anth4584]

@@soralight_x I kinda doubt they’ll add more endings and routes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if after the third DLC they say “Guess what, we’re doing more”.

[@adam-dn3hi]

How did you get this bad ending?

[@mickchan6584]

By not destroy the grail , you only have that option in Ng+