Why Victoria Secret's comeback is upsetting people...

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[@madelaineseguin1490]

Great content!!! And there must be many more of yt videos out there bringing the same concerns!. Have you heard about Jax? You must have. Victoria's Secret is a yt song.

[@bocasgrande6310]

Let’s not forget to mention that in the year 2000 Victoria’s Secret show, model Danita Angell was FOURTEEN modeling lingerie for the show! Ed Razek is disgusting

[@thegracklepeck]

Ew. That's completely inappropriate.

[@katiaaskildt7830]

Um wtf not okay

[@sylviawilson8159]

We're they forced to model or they chose to?

[@bocasgrande6310]

@@sylviawilson8159 I’m not sure! I’m assuming she chose! But either why would you let a 14 year old model something like that?

[@stella.201]

@@bocasgrande6310 they probably wanted super young girls to look up to her, just like how adult women look up to the adult vs models

[@arupkumarmitra7005]

You can tell how messed up a brand might be if you just listen about the people who started it 🙂

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

spot on!

[@sheluvssmokedupeyes1]

Let me explain this why do you think Coco Chanel created her business because she decided and took upon herself that more men were deciding what women should wear and how they should dress and that’s why she started her business the same guy did the same thing with Victoria’s Secret so when a woman does it it’s different but when a man does it it’s something different like come on

[@emilybradford4181]

Coco Chanel makes runway clothes, classic styles, and bags. Victoria secret makes lingerie for the average women, but their runway models are purposely far from average and they always try to sell you a push-up bra when you go in. It makes you wonder what got a man interested in women’s underwear and if he really knows what it’s like to wear it. If his bras were great no one would be opposed to him making them, but problems keep coming up that make people wonder if his sexism and greed is what’s ruining his brand. There’s not as many problems with coco Chanel so no ones really questioning her ethics

[@evaavanesian31]

@@emilybradford4181 Coco Chanel was a literal nazi apologist (perhaps even a nazi agent). There are definitely problems with a lot more brands but most people just pick and choose whichever they feel like calling out. Furthermore even though they charge so much for their garments the workers continue to work in horrid conditions whilst also using animal testing. Just saying

[@mariaalmasani]

@@evaavanesian31 She actually was a Nazi agent who took a Nazi lover during WW2 and worked with the Nazi regime to ensure the success of her brand. I'm surprised nobody bothered to cancel Chanel.

[@softboy5573]

I find it quite rich that the people that run these modelling business and criticise the model's measurements look like they've enjoyed way too many McDonald's meals

[@ijustthrewouttheloveofmydreams]

So true 😂 they’ve had way to many greasy fries and Big Macs to be judging people when they look like that

[@Scrapegoat]

Omg yer like so fatphobic! Being 350lbs is beautiful, ok? We need people 2B woke so I can keep stuffing my face with the products of child slavery and still find a giant bra for 2 of my 6 teats.

[@di3486]

VS is the angels. Without them, the brand doesn’t exist

[@user-oe2ov7du8l]

Exactly lol I was just saying this to myself they have the NERVE!

[@Leney735]

😂

[@andi01452]

"92 hips, do you work out?" Who's gonna tell her that hip size is in itself a result of genetics and bone structure, not fat? As thin as the model was in the clip, I think there's no fat left to lose around that area and losing more weight would be unhealthy for her... I have 101cm hips and 69cm waist and am considered slim, it's just my bone structure!

[@kensigregory361]

I agree. Not to mention the size of the hips are impacted by child carrying too, so pregnancy impacts them too.

[@fran791]

Lol any woman taller than 165cm (5 ft 5) of course is going to have hips of at least 90 cms due to her bone structure. That's just women's anatomy.

[@ailinpolicano7464]

In the modelling world the maximum of your hips it’s supposed to be 90 cm. Crazy right?

[@andi01452]

@@ailinpolicano7464 Yes it's very sad and damaging since the industry expects you to be around 1.75cm in height most of the time but if so you need a narrow and slender body type/bone structure when thinking abt hip size. Not everyone in that height have that and they can't control what's going on naturally in their bodies!

[@fran791]

@@andi01452 I think the main problem is that instead of telling the models that they just don't have the right measurements and the right body type, they push them to force them selves into the measurements. That's why they starve

[@jo-ed9jn]

i'm so glad this is talked about by a boy, if a girl did this kind of video everyone would be like 'yeah you're just jealous they have nice bodies and u dont'

[@kylabrus4383]

Ikr true

[@MaryLopez-pd5bd]

Yes that's what the degenerate always say. That's how they get out of the moment. No matter what its about, they always say their just jelouse. No some people still have morals and common sense

[@sappph9363]

meh people always find ways to complain. If it was by a boy they'll probably call them a simp for respecting people.

[@lacil8895]

Fkn thank you

[@mxd-1990asn]

Depends i guess, if the giel would have a similar body as them ( and i mean those women who are naturally just skinny, since some people have too high metabolism and therefore mainly stay skinny theyr whole life, and that with eating enough or even a LOT of food ,which is the case for me ,where peopel who have much more weight on the asking me *ppl who see that i eat a LOT of food* how i can eat that much without gainig any weight.... so assuming *and i only say this ingeneral ,its not towards you* someone ''ONLY'' doesnt eat enough or has some illness, that just ISNT always the case for everyone who is skinny ) anyhow... i think it depends on how the girl looks like, and i think even if it was agirl who is also skinny, people could still say youre just jelaous, cause body is not everything people look at, she simply has to have a ''ugly'' face *in some peoples opinion* only , and that would already be enough for some people to say youre just jelaous...

[@edlineganes3562]

If Ed told me to lose weight I would tell him let's do it together.

[@nerdgeekcosplay909]

I’d tell “ I’m 5 pounds away from becoming underweight “

[@bubeudeh]

I LOVE THIS

[@elsiepselma8202]

Period 🤣🤣

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

All jokes aside that's like if firefighters will try turn off a fire with alcohol...( You're feeding the fire) Is better to say that's not professional to talk etc

[@mariaalmasani]

Best comment

[@OlgaRykov]

Toxic men that are visually addicted to this need to understand that nobody cares about their opinion and their boisterous complaining looks infantile and repulsive. I'm not a mom, but every time I see these deprived dudes complain under a thin veil of "logic" I feel like I'm witnessing a child's tantrum.

[@kaitlynlehman7414]

Preach sister! i feel the same way despite the fact i'm not a mother myself (though i do have a younger sister)

[@juannavia8702]

Totally

[@godlysense9065]

Exactly, it's disgusting

[@bananikeeunike3988]

i am with you

[@Hey-kf5er]

They think it’s “bitter fat women” who were mad about it when in reality it’s literally the models themselves saying it. Romee Stjrd literally said she didn’t have her period for 6 years because she had to be skinny for the modeling industry and VS. men really think the body ideal is a woman who can’t have a child because of how malnourished her body is and call it “logic”? That’s insane

[@Heycatchy]

Once I bought a VS perfume while at an airport before a flight. I'm standing in line with my bag waiting to board my plane and a few men in line were giving me looks that made me so uncomfortable. I was pretty young and flying by myself, I didn't think much about the bag I was holding but clearly it makes some men very imaginative, and creepy.

[@neta4768]

I remember being in victoria secret's stores many times at the airport and they are were so beautiful but no men were there but I def believe you they think it's weird when they are the ones buying it as well

[@study-corner]

Wth srsly? You think that men are disgusting and creepy like that? You women nowadays think that you don’t need men, that you’re better than them, but the truth is that you would be nothing without men. Men do all the dirty jobs and work in our society, while women complain about stupid little meaningless things. Seriously, humble urselves.

[@lopsidedteacup2004]

And then everyone clapped

[@Heycatchy]

@@lopsidedteacup2004 basically haha

[@sashimi0894]

i remember getting stares when I bought some sports bras from VS too......gosh that makes me angry thinking back now. its like some trash males think just cause you have VS bag that invites stares. Well props to other guys who ignored completely / didnt stare

[@dominique8655]

victoria’s secret model: “we train like athletes” men on the internet: “be more like her!” victoria’s secret: brings on an actual athlete men on the internet: “ew gross!”

[@AmetafJohora]

Astute point

[@valart3946]

such irony if a victoria secret model does football she will have broken bones

[@Sonmmmxuan]

@@valart3946 how do you know? Elsa Hosk is basketball player, Adriana also does boxing, they are just equally physical demanding sports and they are doing just fine

[@valart3946]

@@Sonmmmxuan sorry bout that i comment without research

[@corndog3052]

God i fucking hate men

[@DanielleSamoneJohnson77]

The business model was and still is doomed. It's a men's store for women's needs that men think women should need instead of what we really do need. Never-ending tail chase...

[@TheStepmonkey]

IDK why people are complaining about VS models being perfect, thin and beautiful, i mean, they're supposed to look like that because they're selling lingerie. Each profession has their own kind of people and we should all respect that.

[@nami-qf6qh]

@@TheStepmonkey id rather see more body types so i can see how it may look on mine. Why would i want to see a girl who's measurements are a whole 10+ less than mine. Not saying i want to get rid of the thinner models but its better to have a wider size range of models.

[@TheStepmonkey]

@@meixuanler3535 Well i don’t agree. If that “perfect beauty standard” damages ur self esteem then that’s ur own mental problem. Most of us actually don’t care about superficial things like that 🤷‍♀️ Your mentality is that if YOU are ugly then all models should be ugly too so you can feel better about yourself. That’s so wrong.

[@charlejjj]

@@TheStepmonkey You think you disagree, but you actually just don't understand. Think a little bit further than your own perception

[@LaFlor718]

@@TheStepmonkey I actually agree with you. I am short with healthy curves and tall slender women do not trigger me. I don’t feel the need to “see myself” in everyone on the planet. The same way that doesn’t stop me from shopping is the same way that a lot of SavagexFenty models are so much bigger than me and I still shop their too. It’s just not that serious.

[@marty657]

“And then I had puberty and I was no longer a teenager anymore, my body wasn't stick skinny anymore” almost like our female beauty standard is based upon a pre-puberal girl's body 👀

[@silentstormshadow2755]

That part sent shivers down my spine, because it implies that the standard of beauty of women is to not be a woman but a girl (child) which is..... ugh

[@blizzy4023]

Cool. But please let's not put down teen girls and adults who just so happen to be "stick skinny" too. We should be appreciate all bodies without having to put others down.

[@semolinalibra]

@@silentstormshadow2755 and the hairless body thing too. When are we actually hairless naturally? Yup when we were children

[@wtmfr]

@@blizzy4023 Literally nobody here did that….

[@starr2870]

the fact half of the standards of women is just basically describing a whole child..... concerning

[@vilma1367]

I remember being younger and seeing the victorias secret fashion shows and wanting to be up there, so I looked for the measurements and was really happy because I fit the standard. I was a severely underweight 11 year old.

[@Widdekuu91]

I was a very underweight 16 year old when I worked in a store and wasn't allowed to use the escalator and the elevator. It was like a massive non-stop workout and I lost 15 kilo's that year. I was already skinny, so I was really, really underweight and had my hipbones chafing against my jeans, causing burningwounds and my ribs would poke out of my shirt. And I was nowhere near the size of the mannequins I was carrying around. They were a size 32 whereas I had a size 36. Not to mention they had a massive C cup and I didn't, they had an extra 10-20 cm's in height and a waist that was as thick as my neck.

[@joannepranata9405]

w-ow.. im speechless..

[@burpie3258]

@@Widdekuu91 Bruh...

[@Widdekuu91]

@@burpie3258 To answer in you language; Whuh..t?

[@burpie3258]

@@Widdekuu91 By "Bruh...", I basically meant that I was shocked and disappointed by your comment. A disheartening observation you made about those mannequins.

[@Thegirlwithapinkbag]

You know something is seriously wrong in the modelling industry when Kate Upton is considered plus size. She's literally slim.

[@friedchicken4735]

I wouldn't call her slim. Kate is average size but in the west since obesity is a widespread issue so many plus size category include women who are actually clinically obese/overweight along with the Kate's of the world. In the east Kate would be considered fat even though she isnt. The industry's way of categorizing women from slim to plus size is messed up.

[@Wakeupgrandowl]

I know, she is slim. This is generally what a woman's body naturally veers towards. The amount of fat on her body is basically exactly what should be there for ideal function (large busts not necessarily included). Nevermind she actually works out a lot to ride that line between soft and athletic perfectly.

[@oatfibre]

She’s slim, but not high fashion slim

[@dominiquepocopio777]

@@oatfibre exactly

[@Orangecatenergy]

She just doesn't have a tiny waist but she's pretty skinny

[@mariav3079]

You know a women’s lingerie company is toxic when an old man is in control of it.

[@lorloretta_]

preach

[@bleepbloop7039]

this statement is both ageist and sexist

[@-unsigned2706]

@@bleepbloop7039 They’re all hating on the old guy because of his gender. It really has nothing to do with anything. Beauty companies create artificial problems and sell solutions. It’s just how they function. Our culture creates a market, and someone will provide for it.

[@bleepbloop7039]

@Nikki sunsetss i dont get it, its a free country, make your own company or support a company that endorses the standards you believe are approrpiate

[@doedelbroesel3239]

Les Wexner owns the brand, he is not a designer or creative director. He is the financiator. He paid people to do the job.

[@martynabornikowska6125]

I like that even a brand that makes clothes for women was created TO MAKE MEN MORE COMFORTABLE

[@wtmfr]

It is terrible bullshit…

[@kachitax]

What’s wrong with that? didn’t you hear the video? 99% of the costumers are women 🤦🏻‍♀️.

[@lesedingwetjana3239]

I was literally like, "Ma'am, what?"

[@tfeya777]

So what? A man saw a problem, had an idea, made that idea reality, and with a few tweaks it became women’s favorite place to shop. You see a problem? Come up with a solution like that man did, open your own business and see if it will fly. No one is stopping you.

[@et5895]

@@tfeya777 "womens favorite place to shop"😂😂😂

[@victorialenihan9854]

The biggest issue that I have with "woke" Victoria's Secret is that it is an easy way to mask all the other issues the company on a global scale. Have they done anything to address the working conditions of the people in their factories? What about pay a living wage? What about the environmental impacts of the materials used to make the products? They are one of several brands known to have used prison labor. Clearly it is still about profits over people. Until these changes are made, it's a hard pass for me.

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

This. It’s a disingenuous, Western-centric, pure marketing move. Plus the industry is so toxic that you can guarantee the models are still poorly treated, just probably in different ways 💀

[@ABB14-11]

Yoooo these are the real questions.

[@AmyB369]

It’s too little too late for Victoria’s Secret. Now there are so many other brands that are inclusive and ethically made. They were too late to jump on the bandwagon and when they ragged on plus size and overweight people it really ruined them

[@thatbee3585]

I Agree.

[@albacorona2472]

I'd rather purchase from adore me

[@welliminitnowso]

Very late ! Close curtains … go quickly and quietly 🤐in the night

[@foreveryoung2]

angels have to be slim because how will they fly?

[@fullfiguredgofiguremwah9614]

We got the same name 😁

[@bloopbleepblop176]

Wow. The founder didn't even care about providing breathable, more comfortable lingerie for women. He just cared about making it more comfortable and catering it for men as if they wear bras 💀

[@katerinaberhami3770]

It’s like that creepy guy in the video said about VS … lingerie is designed to come off and be on the floor not stay on the women’s body

[@bloopbleepblop176]

@@katerinaberhami3770 So fucking objectifying 🤢

[@katerinaberhami3770]

@@bloopbleepblop176 I know right! 🤢

[@s_fashionlover]

Let’s not slander the founder (who later committed suicide after selling the company & watched it boom without him). He left the company way before it came super mainstream. His backstory is that he wanted to buy lingerie for his WIFE but felt awkward in traditional lingerie stores at the time since it was the 70s. The OG vs was made as a boudoir experience for couples and old photos and catalogs look quite romantic.

[@s_fashionlover]

@@katerinaberhami3770 dude the original founder committed suicide and was not a part of the company for decades. Let’s not slander him! He founded VS because he wanted to buy his wife lingerie but most lingerie stores in the 70s would make husbands feel awkward for shopping for bras for their wives.

[@VS-uh6rf]

What I personally don’t like about Victoria Secret is that one of the reasons people still praise these models because “they train like professional athletes.” As a junior competitive tennis player, that is seriously not the case. I can’t speak for every sport but I know professional athletes aren’t forced to starve themselves before a tournament, don’t have to fit specific measurements or anything like that. We keep goals on what to train on and nutrition, we just need to heavily monitor. It’s tough but if you love it enough, you will be motivated to do it most of the time. I definitely respect the work that is required to be a model but starving/e*ting d*sorders should never be respected or glamorized. They take the innocent lives of people every day.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

you could have not said it any better, seriously!! so on point, thank you for sharing this

[@kennyb1588]

I have to disagree with you here there is a lot toxic beauty standards behind sports especially for Olympic athletes look at sports like Gymnastics or swimming Gymnastics specifically during the Marta and Bella k(C) aroliy (I don't remember how to spell it sorry) era they would literally starve those children and a lot of them developed really unhealthy relationships and habits with their bodies it's all very sad.

[@VS-uh6rf]

@@kennyb1588 Oh I agree, there are definitely athletes out there that struggle and are forced into eating disorders, I’m not denying that. What I am saying though is that the BEST coaches and training programs would never promote that stuff. Nike had this issue a couple years ago, by forcing their Junior athletes to be skinny and eat less but surely enough, those Junior athletes never rose to fruition. Personally for tennis, all of the best coaches never suggest calorie deficits and all of that. It is more of what you eat at a certain time to keep your energy up :) But I definitely agree with your point!

[@cookieeees]

@Leptune Cannet Lmao how pressed are you 💀? You're literally replying negatively to almost every comment on here.

[@evasofia07]

@Leptune Cannet if you don't care then why are you bothering to reply to every comment on this video?

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

One thing that bothers me is that, in order to praise the inclusive approach, people are all too quick to blame & shame the original models themselves. Or even go far enough to make fun of them. Those girls were overworked and abused, it’s not their fault the unfair beauty standards existed.

[@lbec9487]

And groomed from a young age to accept the abuse-most models start modeling as young teenagers

[@andy_dandy_andy]

the fact that the business was started by a MAN to make women look the way HE wants, yikes. Edit: theres nothing wrong with being a male fashion designer obviously but I was trying to point out that this wasn't a male fashion designer making clothes with women in mind. It was a man wanting women to look sexy on his terms (i.e. skinny, white, cis)

[@Isary96]

sick..

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

exactly...

[@catarina81]

A lot of fashion brands with male fashion designers are like that, Jacquemus is one of them.

[@Poptart21298]

There's nothing wrong with that

[@nataliecf9007]

@@Poptart21298 exactly

[@mlorpf]

I think the only way this rebranding would work would be if there were new people behind it, like if another person/company had bought them. Because it's very hard to believe that the same people who are still in charge have completely changed their views overnight. That makes their new marketing ring hollow for me.

[@evelynbaron8357]

Exactly

[@Spiderpunkrocks]

Thank you, one of the reason why the rebranding upsets me is this is so force woke and women would fall for it🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lilygirllisa]

​@@Spiderpunkrocks The only woman "falling" for the rebranding didn't really care about it in the first place

[@Megan-sr4du]

So true!!

[@patibrito8557]

exactly what I think about it.

[@sophialail]

im just confused as to why they don’t brand the new faces of VS in the same, glamorous ways they portrayed the angels. like they’re still women who deserve to feel sexy, glam and beautiful.

[@stefanmakara373]

Because their penises do not get hard seeing something not skinny, so they do not understand that OTHER people could like it and see it is beautiful.

[@brandi5200]

I don’t get it either, by removing angels, it implies that only white, size 0 women can be angels or fit that heavenly aesthetic

[@average_amanda3884]

@@stefanmakara373 It's sad that they can't just combine the 2 ideas. I know lots of men that are attracted to all types and sizes of women, and women like being sexy too.

[@ArlandaKunio]

because they dont have money for it i guess lol, their business is declining

[@copperharris2368]

fat women would jiggle walking down the runway lmao

[@yyg4632]

These men are always getting in the way of our happiness it seems. Same with abortion, ridiculing any movie with a strong female lead, memeing and ridiculing things that teenage girls are into, hating victims of rape and abuse coming out, so much more. Always stopping us from enjoying things equally, and yet saying femenism isnt needed.

[@pircjkrgko7869]

Fr I mean I cant believe they were that confidant and comfortable making fun of how that soccer player looks like....it's insane

[@lalalanddddd7584]

Girl dont be such a hypocrite, woman do the same thing all the time. You say you want equality yet your acting like a brat because it happens to woman and men gosh

[@samf.s.7731]

It's because they're bitter, because they feel insignificant. Their entire schtick is to make other people feel worse than how they feel about themselves. They literally bully girls. Imagine their balls' size, seems pretty small to me.

[@arikalamari19]

couldn‘t have said it clearer myself it‘s globally true for girls today as everyone gets creepy dms and fake news

[@Alexis_005]

That’s because their egos are more fragile than their 🏀 🏀. They can’t stand to see women doing better than them so they want to keep us down.

[@teashop4904]

Men make fun of women while they look like THAT 😭

[@namulemesumayyah2367]

It's actually always like that, the Audacity 😆

[@mariichyuu]

I completely agree. They bring I support Jeffrey Epstein vibes

[@rowdyruffy]

LMFAOOOO

[@Acuriouscase77]

they look like they never shower 🤢✋🏼

[@taekooktrash9607]

@@Acuriouscase77 😭✋pLEASEEEEE

[@neria1372]

I want to mention the fact that VS's standards are so unrealistic that the models are harmed ! Romee Stridj talked on her yt channel about how she stopped getting her period because of working out so much and bc of her diet, for so many years, that she thought she'll never be pregnant and succeed in giving life (which she wanted). Luckily she made it and has a kid, but it's insane how VS expected their models to totally gove their body and life to create a toxic ideal of women's body.

[@eniolaoyekanmi9461]

It was created and is run by mennnnn

[@heybitches9531]

I seriously don't understand why people want to be like them. Like yes I do admit that they are absolutely beautiful but like seriously, fat is needed in your body in order for you to survive and live a healthy life. Unless if someone is born like that, there's literally no need to be skinny. In my opinion, having fat on the stomach and arms and just everywhere else is so much more beautiful then being so skinny. No skinny shaming but that's just not healthy.

[@fran791]

@@heybitches9531 the unhealthy things they did was training too hard and every day, so their bodies didn't really have any time to recover and just not eating properly with all the food groups

[@Fredanimatessometimes]

I seriously feel bad for them… working out isn’t always healthy. Not like this! The hunger, the overworkout, the insecurities that woman can gain while working as a model there… or even the ones that’s watching all this and dreaming of having this body… And the most disgusting thing, is for men to judge all of those new changes, considering only one type of girl body as SEXY.

[@marialeon6765]

Athletic amenorrhea is not uncommon, so, don't sell the idea that footballers are healthier because they're not.

[@jvill4118]

Men getting demonstrably upset that a women's lingerie company is changing their marketing style is ridiculous.

[@fromthevault2652]

Haven't heard any men I know say shit about victorias secret ever, men don't give a fuck there is the hub. 🤔

[@BunnyDreamer]

I got upset when they changed pokemon too so it’s understandable. If you love something you dont want it to change. Doesnt make it ok to be mean to people about it but I understand the thought process. Im a woman and i dont like them changing it because i like the way the brand is and theres plenty of new “inclusive” brands so it’s unnecessary to change others. If i want a chocolate cake i expect a chocolate cake not vanilla cake ya know? Lol.

[@Man-dd9fs]

Yeah I understand the thought process but brands need to adapt if they want to last

[@killingmesoftlywiththeirsong]

@@BunnyDreamer making the option of a vanilla cake available too doesn't mean that you can't buy your choco cake ya know?

[@valarmorghulis5575]

I just don’t get why woke people rain on everyone’s parade. There are plenty of brands to choose from like fenti. Why change the models?

[@DarienneEmpire]

I remember being 21 and literally tailoring all of my beauty regimens to look like a victoria secret model. I was already a skinny white girl with some curves so I just went with it. And that felt like the epitome of beauty for me. Guys gawked at me when I stepped into a bar the same way they gawked at VS models & that meant you were the most "worthy" of all the women....bc you were the most desired but also the most untouchable. I developed an entire identity around being THAT woman. Did it feel good? Yes but it got me into toxic relationships with narcissistic & violent men that only wanted to own me. I experienced the very dark side of being one of the most wanted women. And I made the mistake of confusing that with being loved which couldnt have been further from the truth. It actually makes ppl SEE you less and cause alot of traumatic sexual experiences.

[@x77punk77x]

Sadly very true; and I think too many men actually believe that all “sexy” women actually want to be treated like abused & degraded p*rn actresses / victims more than ever, which compounds the damage & danger. 💔

[@tambresmith7095]

I'm so sorry you went through that.

[@SaraH-jn5db]

Not very humble bragging

[@SG-jy7em]

So truee!!

[@hadnoideahow]

@@SaraH-jn5db She wasn't bragging. How else is she supposed to describe what happened?

[@felicityb93]

Victoria Secret was entrenched in that heroine chic aesthetic for so long, I don't see them escaping it. Especially now that they have to compete with brands that were ready and willing to represent women of all backgrounds. Sis, it's time to hang it up.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

HAHAAHAHHAA "hang it up" 😭

[@user-jy9rq8nj7q]

their models have always been way too athletic for heroin chic smh.

[@doedelbroesel3239]

Heroine chic, pffhahaha, victoria secret? Gurl! Bye!

[@letBIGGIErest]

victoria's secret was never heroin chic. Heroine Chic was niche in high fashion, kate moss being the defining example. Victoria's Secret was too mainstream and their models were to pretty to be characterized as heroin chic. You would never see a VS angel with dark circles smoking cigs, because that's what heroin chic is. But they we're definitely pushing their models into unhealthy/unattainble beauty standards for the illusion of health, when it was all manufactured.

[@threebananasforaeurom8970]

@Artoria Pendragon well.. idk if your from america or not, but more than half of this country is overweight (now obviously i'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing bc of health complications, etc. on a side note, it's not your job to determine what's healthy or not as you're probably not a doctor.). skinny people aren't the majority in this country, but fat shaming people into being skinny clearly doesn't work (there's research to back this up..) ... and it doesn't need to work nor be that way. people have different bodies and that's just the truth, there's no point in shaming people, only showing one body type, not giving them representation (in fact it's actually harmful, as you can see from the video) why is it that the minority of women (by that I mean skinny people) are represented the most? the answer the male gaze and other things... regardless all bodies deserve representation whether their "unhealthy" or not.. and I know that typically this argument comes from plus sized people, but I'm a size 8 and 5'7. I'm not saying that all models should be skinny or plus sized either, I'm saying that all bodies deserve representation (even the ones in the middle of the two.) people in this country are already the things you said without encouragement, there's no point in not representing them. so yeah, you're comment is fatphobic.

[@didizur]

They are just outdated. Women don't care about this whatever fantasy bs, they just want to look good in a garment and feel comfortable. Most of us nowdays shop mainly online. I would never buy something that a VS model is modeling on a website, cause it gives me no idea how it would look on me, even though i'm size s

[@SexyTCAPdecoy4Hansen]

YES GREAT POINT!!!

[@dianaa8125]

yeah exactly i love how some brands now include the models height and size so I can guess my size

[@deborah8056]

It’s also about the change in beauty standard women now want to look like the Kardashians not a VS angel due to the popularity of hip hop. That’s because black culture glorifies bigger women.

[@noel2223]

I also feel like when SavageXFenty came out they really took over for anyone who used to shop at VS. They still have the sexy lingerie but they had so many different types of models that they were so much less intimidating.

[@didizur]

@@noel2223 You are right, they managed to combine luxury and sex appeal with being inclusive and modern, so it left VS no chance

[@ayodele5373]

i love how people said that their rebranding was going to “promote an unhealthy lifestyle” by having plus size models as if they weren’t promoting food restriction and over exercising to their angels a few years ago which gave many of them and girls who looked up to them eating disorders and body dysmorphia 😭

[@shelbydelery813]

FOR REAL GODDAM some people are SO limited in thinking.... like?!

[@chalyndajackson9384]

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss!

[@dianalove539]

You cant give someone body dysmorphia or eating disorders. please stop spreading this false narrative.

[@ayodele5373]

@@dianalove539 i said they promoted eating disorders and you can give someone body dysmorphia if you warp their body image to the point where they don’t know what their body looks like. telling someone their fat can influence a dysmorphic mindset which causes body dysmorphia.. so it is basically giving someone body dysmorphia…and people often develop BD because of others so it’s not really a false narrative, and you can also make people develop disordered eating habits, which can then develop into an ED from there.. and either way it still doesn’t mean that VS didnt promote disordered eating habits and make some models and fans dysmorphic.. many teen girls use VS models as thinspo and fuels their eds.. and many young girls develop eds whilst trying to look like these models so they are once again basically giving people EDs.. i didnt really think this needed to be explained lol

[@ayodele5373]

@@dianalove539 and 677 people seem to agree with my “false narrative” so.. and its can’t be as false of a narrative as you’re saying it is if it’s literally true… especially for the part where VS influences teen girls who look up to their models to develop disordered eating habits or EDs🤷🏾‍♀️

[@SkinnyPigDesigns]

Am I the only one who is disturbed by the fact that it's so "normal" for even the most unattractive guys to criticize women for not being what they think is beautiful? Why is it okay to have this double standard?

[@kimjunjae]

The standards for men and women are different. On the other side, men get pressurised to earn well, be physically strong, fearless and successfull. You just have to accept that men and women are different, that is what makes them complementary.

[@snowfalls5641]

Naah...I don't do double standards...even if a man is ugly I call him ugly too

[@kimjunjae]

@@snowfalls5641 Nobody said the opposite tho, you can call him ugly, that just doesn't change the fact that the criterias are different for men and women

[@MsMinoula]

@@kimjunjae Wow! I didn't realize you have internet in the 50s, good for you.

[@kimjunjae]

@@MsMinoula I'm also suprised that you guys have wifi in caves ! Good on you, you can discover society slowly at your pace now !

[@katerinak7628]

as long as u eat balanced and do some sort of excerise, however your body looks like, is beautiful.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

I love this!! so well said. it's a shame some of us think we have to have a certain body look to feel beautiful!

[@Neha-ue3uk]

this!!!

[@jojoey8699]

people who just don’t want to/don’t like exercising exist… you gonna tell them they aren’t as beautiful as everyone else?

[@katerinak7628]

@@jojoey8699 never said tht ppl who keep up w their health r the only beautiful ones in the world.

[@hajuuuuuuu]

@@jojoey8699 is every body beautiful? Yes. But is every body healthy? No. They were just appreciating all body types as long as they're taken care of.

[@joylastname3035]

Shopping online lately, I've seen that some popular brands are featuring older models, I'm seeing stretch marks, I'm seeing folds, a little or a lot of pooch here and there and it might seem inconsequential but it feels good. These features exist, these ppl exist so why erase them. Edit: no, we don't want them to get rid of slim women with 8 packs and smooth skin because slim women exist too.

[@vcat724]

oddly enough, it makes me not want to buy them

[@joylastname3035]

@@vcat724 good for you! Here's your cookie 🍪.

[@richardmangelmann4975]

I do like that, especially that older women are featured. I always feel like men can be sexy till 60 but women are expected to have no wrinkles at all till that age

[@peachtea6169]

I appreciate the different pieces of media you incorporate into your videos. Like it's not just you sitting an talking you show articles and statistics and funny clips. It's very informative and entertaining at the same time

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

awwww AHAHAHA you have no idea how much I appreciate this. i'm really learning to take pride in my hard work i do and your comment really shows so much appreciation towards that. thank youuuuu!!!!! hope you have a lovely day

[@dorcaswinter8296]

The more I see about the modelling industry, the more I don’t ever want my kids joining it. It just looks like a cesspit of predators, abuse and exploitation.

[@ninalempicka2948]

it is

[@BlueberryCheesecake8]

Men see like 1% of cellulite in a woman's body and be like: "Gross dude, hit the gym". Or each time they see a paparazzi picture of a celeb and you can see their bodies without any photoshop or professional lighting and comment "Omg stop promoting obesity" DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE DEFINITION OF OBESITY??? Their reactions to the change are honestly frightening.

[@laur83]

i’m so deeply offended by people’s reactions to the rebranding, rather than the rebranding itself. i don’t support the company, but this is at least a positive step.

[@BlueberryCheesecake8]

@@laur83 it's funny how they didn't care when it was Rihanna's brand, oh but mess with the eye candy that VS Angels represent to them and THEN they care about modeling and fashion and feel like they can decide who's a model and who can't be.

[@lizzydelrey9956]

that’s why i hate men

[@enakshiganguly7248]

@Bahan Simerkh which is literally almost 90% of the male population. "not all men" but enough to actually affect something badly

[@lescz6058]

Y'all need to get out and meet "real" men!!! Come to the South...I love my women thick. Cellulite comes with it and I'm loving it all!!!

[@apocalypseready6256]

It’s the fact that the brand was started by a man to “tailor” women to his needs. Like lingerie in general is something I can’t wear because most of the fabrics are hella uncomfy and give me UTIs or rashes (I’m allergic to lots of fabrics). When I found out most of the materials used in lingerie gives women vaginal problems, it just made me completely distasteful of wearing it. I can respect that it makes many women feel sexy, but I’m not one of them. It just makes me uncomfortable and itchy. I always had insecurities about it as a young girl, but I’ve found just wearing a cute color and some skin tight boys cuts actually make me feel a lot more confident. It’s all about what works for you, and I feel like many of the girls wearing lingerie do it for themselves, but some just wear it because they feel pressured to “perform” for their partners and look sexually appealing. And guys should be more understanding of that, because they’d probably complain about having to wear lace and underwire too. It’s just such an expectation-more a societal one than one most men enforce-that it’s jarring to see a woman unwilling to wear it.

[@iknowherstarsign]

it doesn't give anyone any problems lmao.. I'm wearing it since day 1 everyone is fine

[@meiji1815]

@@iknowherstarsign not anyone though Everybody is not the same in all ways fashion, langerie, food, language, characterics and more soo yeah if it works for you then good you don't have to tell that person that she is just overacting :) let's just respect each others opinion shall we

[@apocalypseready6256]

@@iknowherstarsign Just because it doesn’t give you problems doesn’t mean that’s an all encompassing reality. I’m glad Victoria’s Secret lingerie works for you and you can return to the brand. But that’s not true for plenty of women, as evidenced by the video’s claims itself. Not to mention certain materials, regardless of brand or production, irritate your private parts. Why they’re still being used in lingerie, I have no clue.

[@evelynbaron8357]

@@iknowherstarsign I think you have to speak for yourself and not on behalf of the entire female gender.

[@Enriquez2222]

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj I’m pretty sure the original poster doesn’t shop there. Comprehension seems to be difficult for you and that’s okay, you just need to practice

[@RachelJayne92]

I’m an Aussie, and never have, never will be ‘small’ enough to fit into their clothes. Women’s bodies aren’t for the male gaze. Lingerie is great and all, but we wanna be comfortable. Men don’t get to tell us what to wear to ‘appeal’ to them. 👏🏻

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

thank you for your comment!! love what you have to say

[@charlotte-adams]

yesss, women’s bodies aren’t for the male gaze, they’re for keeping them alive and bearing children

[@charlotte-adams]

@Norman I’m not saying that, but women’s bodies scientifically are designed to bear children, but ofc you don’t have to bear children if you don’t want to

[@missribbon]

THIS. This move by VS is waaaaaay too little too late. there’s an element of objectification of trans & ‘plus’ size women (I mean really, ‘plus’ to these guys can’t be anything higher than a US 6 right?) just for trying to show how woke they are. I really hope they are paying these new ‘spokespeople’ a shit tonne of cash because I feel like the way they are gonna have to compromise their reputations by sharing print/web/social media space with this brand better be worth it

[@2008-i2r]

At least Victoria's Secret's perfume is just

[@всемпривет-и1щ]

So shopping for lingerie for his wife made him feel pervy, but creating a lingerie line & store didn’t? If he’s going to make an excuse he should make it a good one

[@espeon871]

I think he just wanted a male catered lingerie line which is um weird ass hell

[@ramflight]

How is creating a lingerie line & store pervy? It's just business. If I decide to open a lingerie shop for men, would I be the perv then?

[@Weirdflex4496]

@@ramflight facts, they're mad that men r buying their women lingerie yet if men stop buying their women gifts they find it offensive and dumb them

[@psychoPilgrim36]

@@Weirdflex4496 no one would find it offensive if men stopped buying lingerie for women. We dont rely on guys to provide us with things. Gifts are for birthdays, christmas, and milestone anniversaries maybe and i literally couldnt name one girl i know who expects more than that. If someone wants to give gifts more often than that then thats totally fine but idk what time period you think we’re living in where guys have to buy presents to keep their girlfriends happy

[@nicolette610]

@@Weirdflex4496 you do know women can buy their own lingerie and some women actually like gifts like flowers and candles not something just for sexual purposes

[@sumusa1538]

The feedback from men on the re-brand sounds like man child who got their toys taken away lmaooo its a brand for women's clothing so they don't even have a say in it!!!

[@hannastar]

ikr lmao

[@sw-hg8eq]

I hate how brands for women became a material for men's lust as if they had not enough free porn-clips already. Give us our own space! 🙄

[@nathyfera12]

I'm not shocked at any complaints coming from man after I saw them super angry that the new Space Jam movie is not sexualizing the female bunny...

[@emilycanfield2634]

You can always tell when a brand is owned/run by men vs owned/run by women lol the "male gaze" vs the "female gaze" -- are very different

[@mdbahrozbaburali]

@@emilycanfield2634 I could tell that Victoria's Secret was owned by a man after learning that women watched it more than men.

[@scrabblecheat1059]

is there anything more disgusting than a grown man making burping sounds at the image of a grown woman he doesn't find atractive?

[@evija1159]

More like a boys not grown men :)

[@scrabblecheat1059]

@@evija1159 they are definitelly grown men

[@synr9611]

@@scrabblecheat1059 I don't think you understood what that person was saying

[@jiyama]

@@scrabblecheat1059 manchildren

[@scrabblecheat1059]

@@synr9611 would you care to explain?

[@sarahli6425]

All those men that are so rude to the new re-brand women that VS hired...it's not like they look like CK underwear model, but still managed to have the audacity to be so rude and judgemental...

[@louiseleite3866]

The new models suck.....and I'm not a man. This stupidity has to end......wokeness, SJWs, cancel culture, war against men, white people, marriage.....it's Marxism and belongs in hell.

[@sarah.3599]

​@@louiseleite3866 Ah yes. Popular brand wanting to rebrand to be able to compete with other brands in the market because they are losing money = marxism apparently.

[@margaretheb7567]

@@louiseleite3866 ahhh yes, war against men and white folks really is what Karl Marx was writing about 💀

[@louiseleite3866]

@@margaretheb7567 You must have read ALL of Marx's books.....is that correct?

[@ursuletul2001]

Men? the vast majority of negative comments towards the new models that i've seen are from women lmao

[@Lucy7613]

You’re amazing. Honestly, if my grandma had watched a Victoria’s Secret show, she would have wanted to feed all that poor starving girls with a good stew. Not only starved, also dehydrated.

[@carlasouza5306]

Large sizes being more expensive makes no sense. With this logic, baby clothes should cost pennies...

[@Gloria-ke1md]

They do tho , since less fabric is used . Baby clothes are less expensive thn grown up clothes.

[@lauraagarh]

@@Gloria-ke1md that's not true, some things are the same price or more, it depends on the shop but there are expensive baby clothes

[@davidthegiantslayer5132]

It does make sense you need more fabric to make bigger clothing

[@taiyabazaheer9492]

@@Gloria-ke1md lol 😂😂😂 you know nothing about business, do you? When you try to re-brand your brand on 'inclusivity' , you don't want to price bigger items pricier because. You wanna build a brand on inclusivity. Look at Rihanna's makeup and lingerie brands. Why are they so popular? Why are they selling like hot cakes? Because of inclusivity. Her brand CREATED BUZZ about inclusivity. You need to create buzz, be it positive (Rihanna) or negative (Kylie) to sell things. Almost all garment brands have bigger to smaller sizes. They don't scale their prices on fabric use. They need to bring their brand with a bang or it's game over for them with brands like Savage x Fenty emerging.

[@taiyabazaheer9492]

@@Gloria-ke1md also 😂😂😂 I don't know where in the world you live but in my country, baby clothes are not cheap at all. They compare to adult clothes' prices here.

[@deborah8056]

What really happened was that the Kardashians/pop culture changed the beauty standards and VS didn’t adapt to it.

[@willowsprings7588]

Yup. Right on point.

[@Allulathepoodle]

This an interesting point.

[@MsBigact]

But thats just the other side if the same coin.

[@keyd9846]

Well they stole the black woman look and profited off of it...

[@nat-1272]

The VS models are no longer the beauty standard. Beauty standard isn't stick thin anymore.

[@ilovenycsomuch]

Idk who that poor athlete woman is but I feel so bad for her, I can’t imagine how she must feel from all the bullying directed at her & her physical attractiveness just because ppl are upset about the company rebranding

[@TheKaurK]

She is really quite an incredible woman. She is taking charge on equal pay for women’s sports.

[@aureliesene4487]

She is anti Asian so I don't care about the bullying she gets. She deserved it.

[@idontevenhaveapla7224]

@@aureliesene4487 How exactly? I'm not trusting the twitter discourse without proof.

[@aureliesene4487]

@@idontevenhaveapla7224 It's on Twitter, you just have to search it

[@brynna8619]

Previous VS models: it's nearly impossible to look like this, a lot of us have BDD, contributed to young girls having ED issues People in the comments after the rebrand: now you're promoting something unhealthy!

[@promieniex]

Lets not forget about using CHILD LABOUR to make this laungerie

[@teruhashipleasenocrimefav5815]

Really

[@magicscoolbus3834]

And all its animal tested products😆

[@ukoncentreretlaeskedrik]

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj but contributing to it definitely won’t help them thats for sure lmao.

[@joanateixeira4879]

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj those kids want to go to school but where they live there is no school, so they need to get money working hard to suport their family. (Sorry for my English)

[@karma2green379]

@@joanateixeira4879 it’s sad

[@sam73322]

Victoria Secret‘s whole history doesn’t sit right with me. If it’s still the same people profiting I don‘t want any part of it even with the rebranding. The opinions of men who are crying about the inclusivity of new lingerie brands make me (and so many other women) angry. They truly think they should have the power to police women’s bodies to fit their ideal. I‘m sorry for all the women in their lives.

[@vartikagaur2922]

very well said!

[@mariaalmasani]

That's why they were idiots to rebrand. No old brand will please anyone woke. To get with the woke crowd you need a new brand every three years headed by a new person.

[@mariaalmasani]

3 years from now there will be a video like this how Rihanna's brand is evil and not woke or inclusive enough, off with her head. That's why VS had to accept their shrinking customer base, sell more to China and work with what they have.

[@mariaalmasani]

No one will buy the rebrand. So victoria's secret should have just shut down all US locations and aggressively marketed to China, profitablity problem solved.

[@realchocochoco]

same people? they literally got spun off to be a new company and they have new people working for them

[@robina8069]

Worth mentioning; Romee Strijd (a VS angel) actually lost her fertility for a few years because of the strict workout/diets they had to follow, luckily she got it back because most models weren't able to work because of covid

[@_ana___99]

@@raspberrysherbet5285 not necessarily, people involved in sports work out a lot but they also get the required nutrition, models do specific workouts that burn fat and practically starve themselves

[@bonniehowell9206]

The quality in VS products has definitely decreased throughout the years. I still have a few bras from the early 2000's that held up well while later purchases all had to be eventually tossed out.

[@cherstuff20]

VS never felt like a safe space for me as a woman. Even in my younger, much thinner days. The models/ads let me know that they didn't carry my size, so I went to other stores for sexy undies. I grew up feeling that VS was for skinny girls with more breast than than super models. So I never went

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

thank you for being honest about your experience! really appreciate it. I really hope you're doing well and feeling secure about yourself and your body!! don't let VS's ridiculous standards get to you!

[@louiseleite3866]

VC sells fantasy, not real life. We have the power to choose our suppliers. If you're not happy go elsewhere and give your money to another business, that's what I do instead of moaning which is childish.

[@sarah.3599]

@@louiseleite3866 Whos gonna tell you that that was exactly what people did? People were tired of VS and moved on from victoria secret to fenty and other brands. Now VS is no longer the biggest in the market and losing money and are trying to compete with other brands.

[@Lewej1]

@@louiseleite3866 Isn't that what OP did, though? Funny how you reek of bitterness over someone just sharing their experience.

[@OOOO0OOOO0001___]

@@louiseleite3866 exactly…not every clothing store isn’t going to carry all sizes like for an example brandy mellville.

[@lizziesstudio]

ideally they need to scrap everything and start again from scratch- but considering their reputation and the influence they have had in molding the beauty standard, I’m not sure it will be accepted. I’m all for rebranding but I’m sure many consumers wouldn’t dream of continuing to support a company like this as it all seems performative

[@revivedcorpseofrasputin4337]

They dont need to scrap everything and start again. Savage x Fenty essentially took Victoria's Secret's formula and modified it. Their shows havent been too different from the VS Shows. Its really just new paint.

[@amphithere]

Victoria's Secret has never been a place where I can find good fitting bras. An employee there told me I was an "obscure" bra size and that I would have trouble finding bras in my size... Victoria's Secret only had ONE bra drawer with my size and it was basically just black bras or nude bras, which weren't even my skintone. Turns out I can find my bra size just fine and in high quality materials from nearly every other brand... Victoria's Secret is doomed.

[@thegracklepeck]

Same. I could never shop there.

[@cocojones7201]

Same here

[@Widdekuu91]

I searched high and low for my bra-size, only to find it in one store. Not Victoria's Secret btw, a whole other one. When I checked, it was filled with unremovable pushup-fillings. I asked the storemanager and she said; 'Appareantely they assumed women would want those." I said; 'What am I supposed to do now?' and she said; 'Try a B cup, they don't have fillings." I said; 'With a B-cupsize I would need a filling....I have A, not a B.." She said; 'Then you need to use the pushup bra.' I said; 'But I don't want a pushup bra ánd they wouldn't fit inside, because it's half-filled up!' She said; 'Try online' and I did, the only bra that fit me was hella expensive, but I bought 6 and I'm never going bra-shopping again unless I have to, haha.

[@x77punk77x]

Ditto; it’s strictly for 36C types & the like…

[@yaileenmaldonadomendez6382]

Fr... I never found their bras anything gorgeous...just basic, uncomfortable, over priced, cheap quality and very unflattering. Went there with my most snatched body and couldn't make anything work... I never understood the hype...just sheep following the trend because that was so risque everyone wanted to look cool around other people. I would go to Rainbow and would buy a set of bra and underwear for $10 and it was laced and beautiful... Not like a basic VS polka dot $90 bra.

[@koolkat2867]

I shopped VS for 20 plus years when the models went from curves (Tyra, Adraina, Stephanie) to looking like kids in g strings and creeping me out(my kids too when the picked up my new VS catalogs in the mail)...ugh...I stopped shopping there!

[@Jjangbunbun]

“This beauty ideal is completely unrealistic” yea thats why they call it a fantasy

[@skyking6989]

Fair enough but you'll still demand men be 6 foot+ tall with a 6 figure income and at least a 6 inch organ

[@Angiemonte]

@@skyking6989 nope, & just bc you found 1 girl like that or even a few that doesn’t mean we are all like that.

[@kachitax]

People need to learn how to differenciate between fantasy and reality. Those models work hard for their body

[@softboy5573]

@@skyking6989 honestly I have never met a singular woman that has had this demand. what you see in the media about men's standards is typically run and dictated by other men. most women just was a man that is able to accept emotions and doesn't confine to the toxic masculinity placed on men today.

[@skyking6989]

@@softboy5573 I don't give a damm about what other men want. I want a cute woman who's in shape and pleasant to be around I'm not looking for a super model but I'll be dammed if I'm gonna jump in bed with a fat chick

[@lilylovies]

very appreciative for them doing this but i cant forgive them after preaching and shoving down young girls throats that they did not fit any beauty standard. it’s disgusting. and if they are rebranding purely for the sales, its even more disgusting. im just choosing to ignore vs completely bc anytime i think abt it, i literally get enraged. (coming back to say that all my anger isnt just towards the brand itself, its the gross people behind it, and all the men who are saying disgusting things online to this rebranding, and to women as a whole. (also for the racist tweet; im not one to talk about my opinion on it, but i hope she does clear things up soon. she owes an apology.)

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

oooof!! thank you for your input. I'm so glad you stand by your opinion especially taking into account how it's affected you in the past. also love your point that if they are rebranding purely for sales then it really is so messed up.. giving me corporates and pride month vibes lol

[@lesliewheeler7071]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube Could you please consider doing a video about Dove next? Dove 'for real beauty'? They're doing it all for sales. In Indonesia, they push skin whitening creams, while here in the USA they claim to be about self-love, which is definitely a lie!

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

@@lesliewheeler7071 oh my gosh!! you legend thank you for sharing this with me... what an interesting idea, I will more than likely make this video! keep an eye out, I'll shout u out if I do make it :)

[@lesliewheeler7071]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube Thanks!! Great job by the way.

[@Jennifer-uh8th]

Is that Niall on ur profile picture?

[@lapre4683]

Here comes all the misogyny by frustrated men, deciding what’s sexy and what’s not. A wonderful recommendation for reading more about the male gaze would be “women, art and the power of looking “ by Catherine McMormack. Says a lot about beauty standards and where it derives from in a patriarchal society.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

right... they are sooooo mad like go watch your p*rn else where lmaoo. but anyway thank you for the recommendation I'll defo add that to my list!

[@meow11358]

@Sofie the Randomness Master no shit but in this situation it is

[@frc_sc9114]

@Leptune Cannet no body cares what's sexy. Most ppl are average looking and have average looking partners. Sorry, I should change my statement to "nobody intelligent enough to raise about superficial social trends and primitive biological instincts cares about what's conventionally sexy". Applies for Both men and women.

[@mariaalmasani]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube the anger comes from having daughters, and wanting them to beat competition and get the best husband. Female hypergamy creates patriachy

[@mariaalmasani]

@Sofie the Randomness Master the male gaze and patriachal society is created by female desire to marry up, and for 80% of women to chase the top 1%, if not 10% if not 20% of men

[@celinepope]

As a bisexual woman: I like women more than the straightest man. I just look at a woman and think she's beautiful. Whereas so many men are squeemish and say hurtful things about actua beautiful human bodies that have souls. It's not okay. Those comments that men made putting women down when they know damn well what the other models went through for their pleasure. As if eye candy for men matters. We've all been brainwashed to think a certain body is best when dammit, look at Rhianna.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

You just said you like women because they're beautiful but hate men because of their personalities. That's kinda objectifying women.

[@milfs9862]

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 and also generalizing both genders, yikes

[@myaisheree]

@@milfs9862 it's her experience, don't invalidate her

[@abor1males]

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 No one cares women are better looking then men cry about it

[@piachristel]

Victoria can keep her secret. Women have many other cool brands to choose from. It's still sexist, just in a new way..

[@average_amanda3884]

At the end of the day it's still a shitty company. I think it's time for something better to take it's place.

[@eniolaoyekanmi9461]

It was created and is run by mennnnn

[@AG-hc1sw]

Which brands?

[@eniolaoyekanmi9461]

@@AG-hc1sw like Savage x fenty, lounge underwear... I mean, VS was created and is run by men isn't that enough

[@isaa8521]

@@AG-hc1sw ummm Aerie?? Literally the best lingerie store ever.

[@katiep6294]

As someone who battled a life threatening eating disorder (almost died from a ED related heart attack twice) and now works with people who struggle on a daily basis, I say to hell with the Victoria Secret. If they go down with nothing, I would consider that semi retribution for the damage done to so many.

[@nattie911]

[@katiep6294]

@@nattie911 I completely, totally understand where you are coming from. It was a very difficult season of fighting against the beautiful body I had been given. My heart absolutely breaks that you have experienced the same pain.

[@ThestuffthatSaralikes]

I am on the *other* side of the ED spectrum; so to speak. Binge binge starve starve starve….still obese. But it does something to a teen when they can’t wear the pretty panties and crap or even find a bra in her size at VS. The women that measured me (in1997) “didn’t even know bra sizes WENT THAT big” her words. It silly, but that’s the shit that sticks with you…

[@ramflight]

I read somewhere that VS models (or it was just one of their models) was basically just drinking detox tea for days before a show.. like wow! If that's what most of the VS models have to do... no wonder they'd suffer from ED. Very sad.

[@cosmicmuse2900]

After watching how trash the people handling this brand are and the crap they've said and done over and over again in the past, kudos to the marketing team of this brand that they still managed to keep people obsessed with this brand

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

exactly!!! lol the controversies i've listed here barely covers half of the shit they've done...

[@mariaalmasani]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube thank you for your video. I just thought woke go after some harmless target because they can't accept reality ... but no its a terrible brand. I mean a lot of women's anxiety is chasing the most popular kid in the class instead of saying okay, to stand out from the crowd of girls chasing the football capitan I have to do unhealthy things.... maybe I should bite the bullet and date the guy in math class that I heard had a crush on me, who knows he could be successful one day.

[@briannam8230]

I literally remember why I stopped watching the Victoria Secret shows. It was because they fired Barbara Palvin cause she was too “fat”, even though she looked better then the rest of the models. It mad me so mad!

[@moonlightprincess449]

They did really? She wasn’t even fat

[@________________6985]

They did not fire her. Walking the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show was not like a job where you get a contract and just show up every year. You have to “audition” for it every year and sometimes you get it sometimes you do not. You do not get fired. You can get blacklisted if you do something wrong (ie. Jessica Hart) but you do not get fired as you are not an employee of the company. Additionally they literally hired Barbara to be the “fat” one. If she had been blacklisted for any reason, her weight or size would not have been why, she would simply not have been selected during the auditions. She was supposed to represent the show becoming more inclusive. Viewers are the ones who were angry. Some because they thought she was too fat and others because they didn’t like that she was considered plus size when she was so obviously slim. She was going to walk in the show before it was cancelled. Additionally, the issue of her being “too fat” to walk a show is not just a VS problem, she is or was considered plus size by runway standards, where Victoria’s Secret did not book plus size models for their shows. She is only 5’9 (while this is the minimum for Victoria’s Secret Angels, they were often preferred 2.54 cm or 1 inch taller than that still) and her hips are VERY wide, of course she is absolutely gorgeous but this IS pushing the Victoria’s Secret image a bit. Models on the VSFS at a height of at least 180 cm or 5’10” to 183 cm or 6’0” were most preferred although exceptions did occur. Runway is considered more inclusive because there are shows that display petite models, plus size models, or supermodels but these are MULTIPLE shows targeting different audiences, across multiple days and in multiple locations. The VSFS was one show once a year. They SHOULD have been more inclusive but do not forget that for the established image of the angels it was not a very feasible move for the enterprise to become that much more inclusive all at once. If becoming more inclusive had actually been what they wanted, it would have taken quite a bit to respectfully challenge the established image of the angels without seeming like they were doing it just for profit. Evidently it is not what they wanted but that is a different conversation. Lily Rose Depp who is only about 160 cm or 5’3” is considered a petite model. Kate Moss who is about 170 or 5’7” is also considered a petite model. Although they are both pop culture icons and absolutely gorgeous, neither would have likely booked the VSFS. Despite their difference in height, they are both in the same modeling category because they are both under 175 cm or 5’9” inches and are both very slim. A plus size model will typically have BWH measurements above 89-63.5-89 cm or 35-25-35 inches. Barbara Palvin was not considered the typical Victoria’s Secret Angel because she just barely meets the height requirement for the typical runway model where, again, Victoria’s Secret Angels were often a bit taller than the standard, and her hips are almost 94 cm or 37 inches wide. I’m not saying Barbara IS fat but her label as a plus size model is not so much the fault of the Victoria’s Secret enterprise or the people in charge as it is because of the fashion industry. Finally, I agree she looked absolutely gorgeous but why are you bringing the other models down just to uplift her? They are all absolutely gorgeous, considered by some to be the most beautiful women in the world, and there is no need for you to say one looked better or worse. It is nobody’s responsibility to look better or worse than anybody else. She looked like an angel, just like the other girls.

[@chalyndajackson9384]

I agree with the "Oh NOW you wanna change??" type of attitudes. VS wanting to change their brand LITERALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO just doesn't sit right with me. I would have loved it more if they were still on top of the lingerie game and decided to be more inclusive. But changing ONLY because their sales are down is just so ugh

[@ramflight]

I have bad news for you then :D "wanting to change their brand LITERALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO" is what businesses always do, it's not just VS.

[@bediracule4600]

It is mind boggling that it took us this long to reach this point where we have brands like savage x fenty that showcase real women and their real raw sexuality rather than brands who force us to seek validation from men/society. It took us this long!!

[@AG-hc1sw]

Savage is entirely too expensive

[@babighoul7213]

It’s fast fashion and a scam :/

[@idontknowmyname.9202]

Nah, big no NO. I appreaciate her singing but not THIS. Rihanna is not a fckin saint. Both of her makeup products and lingerie are not ethically made, at all. She just made her female consumer think they are actually do some movement, when the fact is, it just change them female consumers from being one type of unethical consumer to another type of unethical consumer. This ain't change shyt. All she do is not create inclusitivity, she just expand her unethical market become bigger. Slap those pricey price tags on lingeries and milk more money from y'all. Same shyt when she yeet out all of her mercy for any animals in the cosmetic lab when she realize how enormous chinese market is. Welcome to the world of capitalist.

[@bediracule4600]

@@idontknowmyname.9202 We are allowed to praise a brand for their virtues while still condemning their vices. And if you would like to promote the ethical movement, patronizing people is not the best way to go about it. But go off.

[@HanasRoom]

I didn't realize how far this rabbit hole went, but I'm not surprised as the brand was tied to a huge human trafficker.

[@name02]

Tyra Banks said she made the decision to be an underwear model over other modeling because she didn’t want to lose anymore weight. Underwear models tend to have more weight on the bust and hips because they’re wearing undies. With Victoria’s Secret models, the Angels actually had muscle definition, while other models had that “skinny fat,” flabby look which happens when you starve yourself as your body will lose muscle before it loses fat.

[@justnabi3514]

On today's episode of "the audacity of men" we talking about things that honestly have nothing to do with them--- it's gross how some of these men talk about women's bodies and I bet they'll be the first people to talk about how women are shallow and ✨we should focus on personalities ✨ anyways I'm so glad that we've reached a place where people aren't looking for validation from brands like they once used to, as someone who grew up idolizing these models the last few years have really shifted my perspective

[@slide6314]

Don't attack a whole gender because of a few people in that gender, it's really being as toxic those specific men were.

[@Cupidteez8]

@@slide6314 the commebter never said "ALL MEN." Stop trying to start a Gender war and sh!t. She is ralking about men that feel entitled to a Womens Body! 🌝🙂

[@scrabblecheat1059]

@@slide6314 no, is not

[@slide6314]

@Mary Moon by "the audacity of men", she didn't specify a select few people of the gender and said "men" so she legit attacking the whole gender lol. I'm not tryna start a gender war but point something out smh as people tend to see all men as the same which we aren't.

[@mariaalmasani]

Victoria's Secret wouldn't exist if average women would give average Joe a chance, instead chasing the toxic Harry Styles, Donald Trump, Elon Musk and over entitled 1% of men.

[@rufiredup90]

I never wanted to be a model like them (because I’m Muslim and it just seemed too toxic for me) but I did highly covet their bodies. I wanted to look like them…Even if I couldn’t have their height at least I wanted their slim and trim figures. I had bulimia at 16…And I still struggle with bulimic thoughts and urges to this day. Modelling culture is toxic af.

[@amiliras5537]

I wish you to stay strong and most important loving towards yourself!

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

thank you so much for bravely opening up about this. I'm so sorry you went through that I really hope you're doing much better now and recovering. I'm also glad you're acknowleding how toxic the culture is

[@queenonthedeen4555]

Salam aleikum wa rahmatoellahi wa barakatu sis. Stay strong my love

[@Risyanab]

Masyaallah stay stronggg lets not let it get to us

[@nataliella97]

I think this is really common in a lot of religious communities, but people across different ones don't know about it. orthodox jewish women have very high rates of eating disorders as well. I don't know if it's just that being used to the structure of rules paves the way for women making more for themselves, or if it's something they feel communal pressure to do, but I could see it being both easily.

[@Sishel]

Victoria Secret was selling a FANTASY. My guess is, what these men are crying about is the death of the fantasy. People take things so seriously now a days.

[@sangredelangel]

Lol if these men throwing giant tantrums put their money where their mouth is, VC wouldn’t be bankrupt. They just expect everything to be catered to them by default. 🤷‍♀️

[@katherinemariv8856]

I’m a women I have an issue with Victoria secret rebranding. They just want to appeal to the woke mob.

[@nicolina1026]

@@katherinemariv8856 What did their prior look appeal to?

[@nicolina1026]

@Insomnia I should have said "who" did it appeal to...she's saying they're pandering to the woke mob now, but their look before was created and regulated by a man with a fixation on teenage girls.

[@Mollycrimey]

@@nicolina1026 literally everyone found the vs angels beautiful. It was appealing to everyone’s senses but not appealing to everyone’s egos.

[@Alexis_005]

My boyfriend would say things like, I’ll give you money and you go buy yourself lingerie to surprise me. Made me feel super cheap like I was some kind of clown that had to perform for him. We never demand or suggest such thing from them. Society has really screwed women up in every kind of way. They want women to be sexual but only on a man’s command.

[@Puck_TheMischief]

He just want to be happy with you

[@RED-my9hl]

@@Puck_TheMischief bye not this siilly billy absolute gooseberry ass comment

[@lamoskgr]

18:45 It's not about what men find sexy. We want to find ourselves comfortable and sexy in our own skin. Why do these people think we really care about their opinions?

[@SuperAmaku]

"It's about beautiful women in lingerie" don't tell me this isn't all just misogyny and the male gaze at work 🤢🤢 when will women get a BREAK the society is still so sick

[@SuperAmaku]

Ed Razek really said he doesn't want any trans people to "ruin his fantasy show" as if that doesn't tell the whole story fucking disgusting

[@Puzzoozoo]

News flash: If men didn't look at such women, women would still complain.

[@Alexis_005]

They straight up treat women like Prank Monkeys like women are the mens jesters and our jobs is to keep them entertained

[@cappuccinopapi3038]

There’s nothing wrong about what you said. There’s ripped male models all over. Take a day from being dramatic you might enjoy it

[@ashleythompson8677]

rihanna gets it with her line

[@stevedustin7880]

In my opinion VS showcases Women as a sexual object. I have never seen a man doing runway shows by wearing thin underwears 🥴 Then why women?

[@evaphillips2102]

Let’s not forget about Versace

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

They did sexualized men check "Abercrombie fall out" is the same thing they take muscular men walking around shows and even the stores they had to be shirtless or in swimsuits. They canceled the brand because the CEO said he wouldn't had normal sized men on ads or as brand representative

[@BrittaneyBoss]

It's a lingerie store. The point of lingerie is to enhance the sexual experience.

[@channe4558]

@@BrittaneyBoss You're missing the point, he's asking why do they enhance the sexual experience only on women and not men?

[@skantewarrior109]

@@channe4558 cuz men are barely sexually attractive lol

[@kinzqureshi5829]

i used to work for victoria’s secret for almost 10 years, it’s about time they had this rebranding. personally, i feel like it a step in the right direction but somehow still feels like it’s for marketing purposes.

[@cantsay2205]

That was one of the smoothest segues into a sponsor ad that I've ever seen.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

Hahahah thank u I must admit that too 😂😂 even the sponsor themselves said that too

[@cantsay2205]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube keep making good videos, I sent the one about female beauty ideals to a few friends ❤️

[@godhuleeadhikari3153]

Right

[@queenonthedeen4555]

The work out doesn't seem that bad to me. It's the food and emotional abuse that concerns me.

[@violetsdior]

fr, the workouts seem fine but are we just gonna gloss over the not eating 9 days before and not drinking 12 hours before thing

[@dongysakura418]

@@violetsdior it’s kinda the same thing actors and wrestlers/body builders do too.

[@no.reply_]

@@dongysakura418 That doesn’t make it better

[@dongysakura418]

@@no.reply_ ofc but it’s normalized for other careers. Like no one is going to protest against marvel movies for actors and actress trying to look superhuman or ‘sexy’

[@mariaalmasani]

The emotional abuse, child labour, creepiness and what women would put with to get hope of access to the world's top 1% of men concerns me

[@mayav7751]

Agreed. Men need to grow the hell up. Just imagine if this was flipped and a whole bunch of ladies sat around and judged men and how they looked in lingerie! I can’t even… it’s that bizarre

[@roxiwilson8307]

I think there is plenty of room in the marketplace for a brand like Victoria's Secret to compete with all other brands regardless of the size and shape of the models. We wear what we think is pretty or comfortable or what makes us feel sexy. People who think for themselves can look past the marketing strategies. 💜

[@ellahurley]

I like how they try to make this political, like how about we embrace that everyone can be beautiful? That’s not “leftist”, it’s healthy

[@rannynguyen557]

Thank you - why is this basic statement so difficult for brands and misogynists to understand? Bodies change and so should clothes/lingerie. People want to just live - not be the source of "sexy" 24/7!

[@TheStepmonkey]

Not everyone can be beautiful and that's OK. Being pretty or ugly is not important cause what matters is personality and intelligence.

[@TheStepmonkey]

@@rannynguyen557 IDK why people are complaining about VS models being perfect, thin and beautiful, i mean, they're supposed to look like that because they're selling lingerie. Each profession has their own kind of people and we should all respect that.

[@lisechristensen4714]

Yeah, what is up with the Left constantly wanting basic human rights like access to water for everyone!? Damn commies! Stop forcing water down my throat! It's bad for the capitalism!

[@headphones7644]

@@TheStepmonkey you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about at all,and it’s very clear that you don’t understand what the situation is even about 😐

[@sunflowergarden9794]

Romee Stridj lost her period for years, being that skinny is not healthy at all. Also, the beauty standards are not realistic at all. Be healthy, that’s beautiful.

[@nixandnox8231]

Those men who are so against the rebranding acts like they wear the freaking lingeries.

[@sady1139]

2:00 yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man in a Victoria’s Secret on their own, very few even come in, most just wait outside 😅

[@mishaa7263]

remember when everyone wore those $50-$80 "Love Pink" hoodies from VS like 10 years ago? these stores are dying because they are overpriced, inconvenient, and outdated

[@SS-iw2nq]

Agree. Even now at PINK it's 2 for $79 (sweat pants and sweat top).

[@mishaa7263]

@@SS-iw2nq I just checked out their website and everything looks like Shein for slightly less than $70 now omg 😶

[@SS-iw2nq]

@@mishaa7263 Old Navy sells tie dye and solid colored sweat pants with tops for half the price. Old Navy has a lot of flash sales with coupons too. They give military discount too (I'm a Veteran). Shop Old Navy!

[@mishaa7263]

@@SS-iw2nq I got so many gifts from Old Navy this year! I always loved Old Navy! I wish they carried petite sizes tho, everything is too big there

[@SS-iw2nq]

@@mishaa7263 Have you tried their girls/Jr section?

[@YaIshe]

I think being black I never coveted their bodies cause we have a different beauty standard in the black community and also since they were very few black models I never felt it was for me.I did However see my white counterparts struggle with their body image because of the brand.It’s good to see the change but it feels performative hopefully they take this rebranding seriously

[@YaIshe]

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj they were like 5 girls of color.It felt very performative.Like they had to have few girls of color to not be called racist.It was obvious

[@YaIshe]

There most diverse year they had 17 POC girls out of the 66

[@punctualred6178]

@@YaIshe Exactly!

[@katybee3891]

@wnw3jk h6r6kurj why are you such a vs simp? Do you work for them?

[@thepebblescorner9507]

@@katybee3891 she's/he's been defending them in the comments 😅 I'd think they have some shares there

[@slimlogic]

I've shared your videos with my therapist because you can articulate things in a way that I just can't sometimes. Sending love from Alabama 🥰

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

😭awwwww this is so sweet!!!! thank you for sharing with me. I'm so touched, I hope you have a fantastic day!

[@slimlogic]

@@ibrahimkamityoutube No thank you. You are amazing! I hope you keep up the great work and I also hope you have an excellent day

[@Nonyah123]

"Some of you were 3 years old." WHY did he sound so..excited about that like he was itching to say that. That's stomach churning

[@dr.anaB777]

I'm 22, slim, have an hourglass body, work out daily, and I'm still insecure of these models because these companies have fed us this image that these women are elite and perfect, that they look like this every single day. Another thing that bothers me about the beauty industry (way more than VS models who are at least hardworking) is the slim-thicc body type that ig models promote. These ig models who haven't even worked out for their bodies, unlike the runway models, who have had fat injected into their butts, have implants, fillers, botox, facial surgeries, and still use filters and photoshop. They're the ones who are really creating an unattainable body standard. VS models do actually look the way they look on TVs-not everyday, but on runway days they do. They have also worked hard for those bodies, and their bodies are somewhat attainable for a small fraction of people. Ig models on the other hand don't even look close to their pictures in real life and no woman alive can have that kind of insanely huge boobs and butt while having a small waist, or having large lips but a small nose. It isn't natually possible. That's way worse than the beauty standards promoted by VS imo.

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

wow what an interesting point! I can definitely agree with you on this. like obviously what VS set was unrealistic but yes it was somewhat attainable for some although intense and (unhealthy even admitted by former models) but yes as you've pointed out it's much worse now with the rise of cosmetic surgery and photo editing. gosh it's just so scary to think how much this affects people and especially younger children.

[@samstarba4569]

As a 30 y old woman, I sometimes wonder which one is worst: to be a young woman in 50-70s, in 80-00s, or in the new millennium. Based on what I've heard from my mum, she used to get relentlessly bullied by men around her for ridiculous reasons (e.g. for being a bit chubby or having too big or too small boobs). On the other hand, there wasn't much social media or tv commercials back then. In my youth, it was not ok to comment someone's looks straight to her face but you kept seeing thin, curveless women everywhere. It felt like the whole fashion industry was ruled by closeted gay men who hate the idea of feminine curves. Nowadays, it's ok to be bigger but the beauty standards have become almost completely unattainable - unless you are willing to get under the knive. At the same time, people are struggling with all kinds of weight problems and even keeping a normal weight can get difficult. I can't help but feel that the extreme beauty ideals have created a lot of rejection for feminine bodies and the idea of keeping a normal weight (since "normal" has become so abnormal in the past 30 years). Even the more inclusive campaigns tend to showcase more extreme examples of female bodies. Or I at least have hard time finding fitting clothes and good role models for myself, despite representing a rather "average" body type. I have a rather small built (compared to many men) and am not excessively obese but do have a rather big belly, wide hips and average size, hand-fitting boobs. I look quite similar to the naked ladies in the old paintings but for reason or another, don't see similar bodies in media nowadays. So I honestly feel that anything else can be trendy but average, healthy looking female bodies. As a consumer, you always have to aim for a change, even if that change was not good for you.

[@NoName-dx1no]

Yeah I mean in a way ig models are worse because why does someone have to pay hundreds to put stuff inside their bodies to fit the standards, it’s nearly impossible to stop this or help the younger generation so kids ever listen about not using their phones or not using certain apps until they reach a certain age? Apps making the age where you can finally use the app legally? 13 isn’t helping unless for some reason and somehow it becomes illegal for minors under 13 to be in possession of a phone or sth which is also impossible, we just have to sit and watch the future generation have their perception of beauty and self get worse unless some of them listen to the older people who make it known that it’s fine to not look like the models

[@no.reply_]

Lip size isn’t proportional to nose size

[@MaryLopez-pd5bd]

One's self worth and love shouldn't rely in one's looks. We are more that what we look like or how much money we have or our careers. These things make life easier makes us more acceptable by society but doesn't make us better human beings. We need to worry about pleasing God not the world. On judgement day only God's standards will count.

[@brandij3817]

I find their rebranding very performative after years of criticism from their target market and years of Ignoring that criticism it finally caught up with them. let’s be honest they wouldn’t have changed if not for their sales plummeting but... I’m happy there is less toxic beauty standards in the world 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@courtneywielander3296]

"He felt like she looked at him like a perv." --so he started Victoria's Secret. Lmao

[@Vasquez.213]

The brand still isn't "inclusive" though. Not every woman is a size 0-2 and not every woman is obese either! Where are the sizes 4-8?! And the women below damn near 6 feet tall?! 😒

[@laura-fr1jc]

It's so sad that the models can't eat anything 12 hours before the show

[@mariaalmasani]

That shocked me. At miss universe, you are eating, drinking water before the show because hungry is not a good look on the stage. It's a creepy creepy culture. I don't like woke culture because they usually target innocent people but here they finally hit a worthy target. Honestly, irresponsible creeps.

[@user-jy9rq8nj7q]

twelve hours is not a lot. That’s not even a intermittent fasting window. You eat dinner at 6pm then go to sleep for 8hrs and wake up for a show at 6am. don’t be so dramatic.

[@realchocochoco]

Adriana Lima only did that. Its her choice. Not all models did that

[@magicscoolbus3834]

I laughed at the ouraged men who protested against the "New" VS catalog. What gives you the right to judge these woman or anybody for that matter?! They demand perfection from woman-well buddy, where are our perfect men?! Clearly it ain't you!

[@magicscoolbus3834]

@Artoria Pendragon I've made comments about people's looks its true but NEVER have i done it on a program with audiences, on a massive streaming platform where anyone including teens and people who suffer mental conditions can hear me be angry about someone else not looking the way I WANT THEM TO! 😇

[@TheStepmonkey]

@@magicscoolbus3834 You sound like a total hypocrite. Men and woman have the right to their own standards so shut up 😇

[@tta1390]

Not going to lie. I’ve always wanted to be a Victoria secret angel. They are just so effortlessly beautiful and the way they carry themselves is so elegant

[@makennashuter6606]

I can guarantee that it is not "effortless"

[@tta1390]

Maybe I should’ve said they look effortlessly beautiful. Because they make them look like they woke up stunning even tho that might not be true

[@minasbaguette889]

@@tta1390 Did you watch the video at all? The models themselves say they had to starve themselves, so no part of it was effortless

[@5hanti]

except Bella Hadid, nothing elegant about that girl

[@hiwelcometochillis2579]

@@minasbaguette889 but also that's a training method in fitness and all sports, you supposed to eat more carbs and protein and gain weight to build muscle and then you stop eating carbs to define the muscle and that will give you extra strength is like if your muscle is at 100% battery 🔋 and people in football ⚽🏈 do it also in boxing, track 🏃 athletes in general even bodybuilding is based on that Also When your body is in that state it do radiates health and beauty so it make sense fitness coaches did that training to models

[@virginiamae7913]

I’m kinda excited for it to come back. I miss its nostalgia and how dreamy it looked

[@blueoblivionx]

This feels very forced considering the owner said he didn't want a transwoman ruining his show and then hires one for PR when theyre going out of business 😬 Uhh.. Idk about that.

[@raghar3546]

i thought the same

[@welliminitnowso]

Right he’s full of shit .. I hope people let this company sink . The pandering is real !

[@sabrinaghostblade3948]

Other than the lingerie, the fashion show had great themes and artistry behind it. As someone that loves fashion, I adored the fine details and viewing how the models walked. But anyways they need a new CEO😬

[@amy_ambrosio]

Same, I always wanted to see the art direction behind the show (the concepts behind the stages, the designs, etc.) and I really adored to see some of my fav models walking on the runway. Many years ago (like 10 or more), I used to be a girl with a Tumblr fashion blog, following models since 2000 something, with a bit more than 1M followers, someone who loved editing fashion pictures, creating new stuff based on videos or pictures that I liked, and making friends with photographers and other people who used to follow models after the runways ended to take them photos whether they were on PFW, NYFW, MFW, etc., or people who were invited to the runways and then shared their photos, etc. I remember we all were waiting for the show every year; not because of the lingerie or for some dirty sh*t (we were both women and men), but because we wanted to see those models feeling powerful, confident, and happy in the runway. In the past, being on the show used to be something that just models with high status in the industry were supposed to have (I'm not talking about the beginning of the brand, but when I was following the show); I remember how my Internet pals and me would bet over the model with the best catwalk, the one who was the weakest, the one who killed the runway, the funniest, the most original, etc. For us, the show never was about the clothes, was about seeing the hardwork of all those models on the runway. Sadly, not everything was as shiny as it looked like, when I (and we) started growing, I discovered a lot of ugly stuff about the fashion world, and well, it was a significant experience as well. About the show, when I discovered that the older powerful men in VS used to target/harass some of the models, and that even some of my favorite models were treated like sh*t by them, I was super shocked and disgusted. And yeah, it's not surprising if u look at what type of men they are, but at that time I was a young girl who knew almost nothing about those things. As someone who grew following many young models' careers since I was a a young girl, who was inspired by them, who used to follow their works on fashion magazines, etc., the show was something really fun for me to watch over the years.... that was the case, until one day it wasn't. I still admire most of the models I used to follow when I was a teenager, simply because the main reason I liked them it wasn't because of their bodies, or faces, or skin color, but because of their talent to portray certain emotions under the lens, the skill to communicate with their bodies, the way the photographer, the editor and everyone else worked to built a great and solid work, etc., but I also recognize now that their paths had so many hardships that nobody would want to experience. In that regard, I soon understood why many of them would quit the path as soon as possible, because it truly s*cks to hurt your mind and body to sustain such toxicity.

[@bubblegumbxtch9544]

I really wish they still had angels and fashion shows but with a more diverse group of women.

[@meiji1815]

@@bubblegumbxtch9544 yes exactly but the old angels will not need a strict diet anymre additional those angels are gonna lose the traditional vs look since they are not sticking to old strict diet regimen. If these happen MEN will be pissed but then somehow it proves the the misoginy of men and people will understand that old vs angels bodies are hard to attain cuz practically this just serves FANTASY OF A MEN. The VS will literally have a good rebranding without removing their root vs angels and good artistic runway shows. They all just have to remove the misogyny side and unfortunatly for men their own fantasy but again they can just watch porn to enjoy there fantasy since lingerie is for women to wear and practically the consumers are women not men. The world does not rotate to men to feed their ego boosters.

[@princessfiona9599]

This is such a balanced comment

[@x77punk77x]

Are you kidding? It was ridiculously over-the-top, in horrid taste, embarrassing to women as far as the daft behaviors expected of the models omfg

[@nezukokamado8166]

I like how they are finally changing, but for all the wrong reasons.