FaZe free fall, NAVI & Vitality show up, Snap Tap & jump throws banned | HLTV Confirmed S6E113

[@alexfisher4207]

Best Bo5 final I can remember was navi faze at cologne 2022. All 5 maps and an intense final one.

[@TD-lh9ph]

Easily best bo5

[@AstroSully]

That final was CINEMA

[@treimar]

Snap tap is definitely an advantage. You just have to get used to it to utilize it to the fullest. I think it's great that Valve was fast with this one. Imagine the disappointment of a Razer customer.

[@chikencs2]

the more I see FaZe crumble in Grand Finals, the more I start to miss Twistzz on that lineup

[@mantide737]

letting him go was a big mistake

[@jesusnavas2935]

He's ours now

[@SHR3DR]

@@mantide737 It's not like you can force someone to stay.....

[@hypez9460]

Everyone forgets they were crumbling even with Twistzz. CS2 literally kept that roster going as long as it did. If it wasnt for CS2 Twistzz would have left earlier.

[@BW4LL]

@@SHR3DRhe wanted to stay but faze wouldn’t offer clarity on the future and so he started to field other offers. Massive fumble.

[@yalchi13]

This best of 5 was one of the Epic Match ever.

[@SuperGo5c]

1:47:00 the guy that made the "snap-tap stats" just parsed demos, as we know demos can be inaccurate. While Valve get instant data from servers.

[@nergal2741]

i doubt parsing demos will show a discrepancy of literal 1000 overlaps, vs 0-10

[@dieeisleiche9511]

49:13 absolutely on point, Blade would cook him.. Actually, I would pay to watch this

[@JorgeFuller]

How did they forget cologne '22 as a top 3 bo5? Way better than Kato '22

[@HLTVorg]

I'm pretty sure we mentioned it? Didn't talk about it much since it is the most recent/obvious one though

[@kenobizocker9796]

They hinted at it for a second but i guess its easy to miss it. But yeah its the obvious one

[@baldbeaverhunter-oh7bz]

25:38 this is a funny take. "Boring zywoo MVP" i mean he's been top 2 for how many years ofc he's getting basically all the mvps for vita. And about him not having big moments, you don't need to be mindblowingly good to be at the top. You just have to be better than #2. Which he absolutely was.

[@AstroSully]

ZywOo’s standards are ridiculous man 😂 Bro won Cologne and won MVP and it’s called “boring”

[@MusicJunkie37]

@@AstroSully He had some impressive clutches, not boring to me

[@Gabrielnfs]

Just the regular Zywoo slander narrative because the other goat contender is s1mple who has a more explosive playstyle and personality. Device plays optimal cs and isn't seen as boring, Zywoo does the same but even better and he's called boring... lol

[@Pyxyty]

It's crazy that you guys are talking about potentially replacing Snax after THREE EVENTS. One of which they were finalists when it was just their first tournament, one where they looked great, and one where they made playoffs. Three events man. Y'all are crazy. If G2 destroyed Mouz the way Mouz destroyed G2, no one would be talking about Mouz having roster changes. That's all I'll say

[@archie5780]

I love the guys on Faze, don't really care too much about the organisation, but if the issue is getting out aimed then there is not much that can be done other than bring people in that aim better. All 5 of the guys have it in them they just need to get more consistent with their duels as its not a strat issue.

[@georgbergsten6050]

Faze don’t really have a good strat book either

[@Hjallapenos]

I agree. They're just a bit out of form, it happens to the best of us. If it continues, then sure, might be time for a roster move. But it wasn't long ago Ropz and Frozen was crazy good. It doesn't mean they're washed, just means they have bad form currently. If all Faze players are on top of their game, they would be nr1. It's the same for most top teams. If all 5 players in one of the top orgs are there 100%, that team will be best in the world. It's just a matter of form.

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

We say FaZe in playoffs but it's all Broky and Rain getting that stage/arena buff. Frozen doesn't carry in big games. When Broky and Rain aren't playing well I call it GG and just give up.

[@HAYK1L26]

Spunj's argumentation is the same as mine when it comes to jumpthrows. The gameplay will be hillarious, tons of smoke grenades will be wasted, watch and enjoy the bullsh1t xD

[@motorepoloh]

Lol, there will be not so much missed smokes, because they are easy to throw when you learn them. Yes, pros will have to grind for two days to throw smokes consistently but that's why they are being paid.

[@Flare97]

As a Steelseries Apex Pro TKL user, yes we have rapid trigger (and SOCD/Snaptap/RapidTap for the last 2 weeks)

[@kahda]

1:22:50 they all disconnect and SPUNJ face was funny as fuck 😆

[@kithanyeo1455]

If they are banning snaptap will they ban rapid trigger? Thinking of getting a hall effect keyboard but unsure if rapid trigger is gonna get hit by the ban hammer

[@Astr0B]

Only devices that input two inputs from one action ~should~ be affected. Rapid trigger simply makes the input in/out detection faster, so it still should only be sending 1 input

[@mobjwiax457]

1:32:15 just took on a completely unexpected turn💀

[@en1bra]

So talent and players are not in the same hotels? Interesting. Does anybody know which hotels they are talking about? Probably something in close proximity to the venue?

[@krk1-]

when it's gonna be available on spotify?

[@icedstev0433]

Desubticked jump was killed and now I cant bhop. This was the worst part of the update for me.

[@cody6550]

Yeah same, movement feels so shit again

[@beatsalad1]

theres workarounds that help, google it

[@m8mZ]

Facts

[@motorepoloh]

oh no... anyway

[@meh2982]

@@motorepolohthis fucked the movement community

[@lucasmcnamee3658]

No hate but why has nobody been talking about navi more? There was a segment for each team except for them when this team has one of the most impressive years for a new roster (of mostly nobodies and non-stop 20 players) ever. Love the content! No hate here, just wondering if I'm a delusional navi fan or if people are ignoring them. They were the #1 team! Now they are only trailing #1 but 14 points!

[@HLTVorg]

Thank you for the nicely framed comment! I think we spoke about them in the grand final discussion, obviously with more focus on the winners. Not sure, but I feel like we spoke about them a lot in the last few weeks, since the EWC win, and not too much changed after this run to be honest I'm sure they will be a point of discussion in next episodes!

[@lucasmcnamee3658]

@@HLTVorg fair enough! Cheers! Good episode. I think the discussion around iM and W0nderful could be a good segment. A lot of people talking about them on the forums.

[@thehoodie7740]

The most entertaining CS is when the players are being tested on their endurance. Just like BO5 or even an OT.

[@laurentiumocacoca175]

Zywoo had null-binds. Not wooting or razer.

[@Equalzer]

Vitality's individuals stood head and shoulders above NAVI's especially when it mattered. If B1ad3 and aleksib ever get their hands on individuals to match they could contend even for a grand slam. I'm a bit torn about NAVI. A good change or two could push them over the edge to greatness but its not likely the ukrainians are going anywhere soon. Maybe r1nkle over w0nderful is in the cards in the future, who knows.

[@sollertia_]

I agree, at so many points in the semis and finals, I feel like Navi's strats have put themselves in favorable positions, but then a missed easy awp shot or someone getting careless would unravel the system and require clutches to bail them out. Vitality on the other hand, felt like whatever they set out to do, it was much more reliable with the firepower backing it up. I've never really missed S1mple from the Navi roster since it looked like they could and were forced to hone their team play in response, but man watching Zywoo against Navi made me imagine if the Navi setups had a true star player to really lock it down...

[@AndreiLucaa]

It wasn’t meant to be, lads. When a game is that close, and down to one or two missed shots. It’s all about luck tbh.

[@Onomynn]

To be fair if Navi pulled through on Mirage it would have probably gone to the full five maps

[@ThomasSWK]

I have used w jump throw, with hold mouse 1, tap w very short, at the same time hitting space and n with the thumb. I have used that for all of cs 2 with no problems. Because I thought one button jump throw would be banned at some point.

[@meh2982]

what about middle click(left mouse + right mouse) jump throws?

[@Auronfan02]

can someone tell me what final they are talking about with shox and scream on G2 from 2016 ? thaaaanks

[@HLTVorg]

Hey man - Luminosity vs G2 at ESL Pro League Season 3 finals. Enjoy!

[@Auronfan02]

@@HLTVorg thx

[@HKTrickZz]

Hi! the blonde ohne pixel here. me and my friend are very sad about what happened striker. a couple of tickets to the HLTV award show would make it ok tho...

[@jonttu69]

I feel like now we can finally say that Copenhagen was not a fluke

[@miguelfrancisco7325]

Don’t forget saw beat the mongolz twice in cologne, we are here to stay!

[@josephrusso6422]

Spunj is my favorite the other two are nice as well but Chad is better!

[@anything3068]

You guys didn't talk about Vitality Especially SPONge

[@EdGeFaLL]

For the record Chad, I'm Portuguese and I watched this. Great to see Saw coming up!!

[@Limcacs]

Spunj making prof bald

[@potatoz1295]

As a Faze fan, watching Faze vs SAW was like watching Faze vs Moviestar back in 2022 but with a sad ending lol current SAW and the Moviestar Riders team at that time are kinda similar in a way if I'm being honest, they played super good and hungry for more. However in 2022, Faze was just a complete team, all of them were in form and the mentality was there, while this year Cologne is just pointless, even for me, I felt that Liquid probably would have done better vs SAW 😂

[@JoshCatholic]

Your takes on Faze are atrocious and completely disregard one of the interviews karrigan made at the lan that just took place. Faze is going into a practice mode to recalibrate and taking the pressure off of themselves and using these tournaments to rebuild themselves. So by the time IEM Rio and the major comes, they will be in a better spot.

[@csCherry]

mistakes make for entertaining games. No matter the sport.

[@razakirin98]

Love the content also a message to spunj, jks sucks

[@kolomoetsoleg4263]

Please, no BO5. It's really hard to find a time to watch such games. It took more than 5 hours for this 4 maps final. I do not want waste so much time on a single match!!

[@Spetsnazty]

BO5 final is king.

[@pa_pasha69]

You can watch highlights after

[@kolomoetsoleg4263]

@@pa_pasha69 it's not the same as to watch it live.

[@AnnaMartin-h8x]

Rodriguez Lisa Johnson Sarah Clark Charles

[@TimDaviesjje-gl1ru]

Smith Donald Clark Cynthia Robinson Deborah

[@TopOnTops]

Spirit dead team and G2 fans though his team was good 😭😭😭

[@kgjdhkgd]

Who hurt you?

[@BrendaStephens-v8g]

Perez Shirley Walker Scott Thompson Edward

[@TopOnTops]

G2 Will never reach the Quality of Navi

[@ahmedch5713]

Meds

[@RobertCalinescu]

he’s right

[@jacoblajeunesse2047]

Completely unbiased opinion

[@TopOnTops]

G2 are overrated no Quality to win a Major in that team And not mental(Niko)

[@RobertCalinescu]

G2 can’t beat Navi 😂

[@michaelmarlee2051]

bruh g2 hurt you or smthing? you posted like 2 3 4 times about the same d*mn thing

[@theZCAllen]

First!

[@Bigpetepod]

In not sure I agree about the inconsistency and quality of counter strike between vitality and Navi. I think we need to give them credit. It’s the fact that they were so evenly matched and their level was so high that brought out, what some of us may call silly mistakes. But it’s how good the 2 teams were that brought it out.

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

Broky and frozen to complexity 😢😢😢