‪@FDSignifire‬

[@jordijimenez2634]

“My goal is to destroy the system” sorry bro the rest of us don’t wanna live in a failed state 💀

[@Kahmalwastaken]

right though. Like bro things are getting better relax

[@kevintanza6968]

You have no idea how funny it is to watch Americans trying to sound smart when talking about politics. Most of them don't even know basic geography.

[@thelastlostcause4148]

Bro should move to Haiti if he wants to live in a place where "the system" has been destroyed. No bigwig capitalists, no pesky white people, no abusive police, no imperialistic military. On paper, Haiti already has everything he wants

[@OldManTCG]

“Destroy the system” Yeahhhhh…..I just want my groceries to be cheaper bro 😅

[@omariyon]

@@kevintanza6968 its also funny seeing someone try to sound smart while making huge generalizations, possibly the most retarded thing to do

[@gavinmccabe2908]

Kahmal - 'You're known to be a little smug' FD - 'I'm Batman'

[@MaverixWondrs]

Okay that's actual funny

[@Kahmalwastaken]

😂😂😂😂

[@Etherdayparade]

The projection is wild, here’s what I saw for this entire video. FD, a man patiently explaining to a smug intentionally illiterate child why he makes content. Have you ever considered ….. just considered, that because you want fd to “change his words” that maybe, just maybe the reason that is, is because you don’t comprehend his content.

[@HiGlowie]

Batman would never racebait and encourage others to be victims

[@ShadowNemesis575]

"Y'all are like flash villains" took me out 😂😂😂

[@Ikeperson96]

Comment section making this sound like a fight but they kept it cool. These two have a lot of respect for each other and are both really good at listening. Two genuine dudes disagreeing and sharing experiences - real solid convo and honestly funny as hell at times too. If you made it to the end with dude Leon too - real productive, community building.

[@josephsweidy5815]

True but Fd is wack bro

[@bigboyblasta]

this is the first "debate" ive listened to that feels like a genuine convo between two mostly well adjusted people, of which one is a little smug and the other tends to be a bit of a shitter, extremely refreshing

[@doublestarships646]

Him calling you all a superhero's rogues gallery is pretty telling of how big his head is. Being open to criticism is a basic skill. You are a talking head of a certain political spectrum, you will be confronted by truths that will break your foundation. It's a simple fact.

[@HiGlowie]

I was in the chat and it was annoying how he was subtly dissing Kahmal when Kahmal was the only one thinking logically. Can’t win with some folks

[@doublestarships646]

@@HiGlowie He's probably a low tier narcissist lol.

[@Nadia-bt5ls]

@@HiGlowie so... kahmal was blantanly dissing him

[@onlyone23km]

Problem is he’s not wrong when he says things like Mo’Nique was out of line for her comments about women in bonnets.

[@MalkuthEmperor]

​@@HiGlowie as a leftist myself, it pisses me off that FD coulsnt get his ego under control when Khamal was as good faith as they come, and he was genuinelly fact checking stuff which should always be a priority imo. Even at the start, this diss towards debating was just, ahh wtf Idk if he understands the importance of debate in politics, even if it was only for entertainment, which it isnt, since the audience can be exposed to great arguments, and to another perspective, as well as the fact that that will prepair them for conversations in the real world whare they would need to use rethoric in order to be persuaisive. So his, wierd antagonism towards debating just rubbs me the wrong way. He also didnt admit that, the self help stuff lacking on the left, which it severely is, to the point that the far right has more tips on it than a lot of leftist media figures have, which allows the far right to slip in negative influemces eithin the self help. Idk what to say. I like his content, but he seems to hit a brick wall when it comes to beeing more wholistic abour politics ( which i know not everyone is up to the task, its cirtainly not easy, but it is a necessary skill in politics) The ego, i think is a part of this kind of leftists predjudice for anything that isnt left, and that is that he seems to think that people just knharently have a double meaning when they say something, that people are trying to conceal racism or sexism and so on. But whille that is true many times, we cant just assume that this is the case by default. Group guilt is a logic that leftists should least of all subscribe to, unless a groups fundamental identity relies on haterid towards an outgroup, like fashism - but conservatism whille it is rightwing, and has some tendencies, it is cirtainly not fashism. Besides this, there is a destinction to be made between an actual conservative racist, and someone who isnt really a racist, but just uses language that used to be the norm, so they arent aware how they come across to others. And again, i tend to aguree with most of what FD says in hisown videos, but then there are thease wierd moments whare he just lacks self awareness 😂 Anyway, have a nice day

[@jcnot9712]

Don’t delete the Hasan videos. If anything, make 7 Candace Owens ones. They’re both out of their minds.

[@OdaSwifteye]

This man is cooking. This soup needs salt and pepper.

[@ThatBlueSkull]

didn't she defend andrew tate knowing full well (she read the court documents so she claims) he's a sex trafficker

[@nas5276]

I don't know what's with the hate for Candace Owens. I mean okay, I can understand why people don't like her but she's no where NEAR as bad as Hasan, not even in the same sentence.

[@jcnot9712]

@@nas5276 I think they’re crazy in different ways. Hasan is an unhinged lunatic with pretty privilege. He says and does things as insane as Nick Fuentes, but people give him a pass ‘cause socialism’s the “in” thing at the moment. Candace is more of a Dave Rubin who says and does things that’ll get her in the good graces of her base. Pathetic spineless in addition to being a grifter and just as incapable of having a conversation with someone who disagrees with her as the rest of the grifters she associates with.

[@nas5276]

@@jcnot9712 See if you said Nick Fuentes, then I would have agreed with you that He's just the Hasan Piker of the opposite side, you are correct. And yes I would also agree that Candace is more like Dave Rubin BUT how is that bad? How is having a more centrist/non-extremist view a bad thing? " Pathetic spineless in addition to being a grifter" I'm sorry but Leftwingers are BIGGER grifters than any other political isle I've seen (Centrist, liberal, libertarian, right wing, etc.). I'd argue FD Signifier, Hasan, Noah Simpson, Vaush, Keffals, Shaun, Joel, and Folding IDeas are just top of my head as the biggest and smuggest grifters of them all. Honestly the only leftwingers that I consider intelligent and genuine are Destiny, Jimmy Dore, and Ana from TYT. I'd also say that while TYT's Cenk is batshit insane he's at least not a grifter. Most liberals, right wingers, libertarians and centrists are genuine. " "Incapable of having a conversation." You've just described 99% of leftwingers/Breadtubers. Candace and Rubins actually have conversations with people of all political isles while leftwingers like Hasan, Noah, Vaush, FD etc. almost never want to debate because they'll be incredibly bad faith like what we've seen here.

[@badger297]

You seem like one of the only internet personalities that is a real human giving their real thoughts. Everyone else (F.D. included) is just out here for money, clout, fame etc etc.

[@Kahmalwastaken]

lol I'm tryin man

[@ARealPersonNotABot]

It seems as if He is speaking like a normal human and people like FD only speaks in far left/academic cliches

[@adamhughes389]

100% facts. I'm glad I'm not the only one out here that sees that

[@brianmeen2158]

@@ARealPersonNotABot I haven’t listened that much to FD but from what I have I struggle picturing the society he wants to create.. he doesn’t see human nature like I do

[@jasonfu2094]

Kahmal, and Aba and Preach seem the best at giving the “regular dude” view of things……. And KZbin needs more of that.

[@ericmulumbazozojr.4021]

Props to Kahmal for keeping it 100

[@NegronAngel2828]

What did he do ?

[@Kahmalwastaken]

appreciate you

[@Damnitjim7]

Most def, I'm just lost on saquon Barkley stuff, his rookie contract was like 2nd highest in the league, his current contract with philly is like 4th or 5th highest on nfl, and was outperformed by a rookie last year who was limited. Maybe Lamar Jackson woulda been better for his point, idk he never clarified anything from what I've seen so far.

[@onlyone23km]

I think there’s some details he’s missing.

[@1986BNick]

FD Signifier has a massive ego. He sounds like a champagne socialist half of the time.

[@emne5750]

I must correct you, "champagne socialists" are normal socialists. Nearly all leaders of this movement come from bourgeoisie or higher class backgrounds. All of them are "highly educated." FD is just a black Trotsky without the clout needed for an October Revolution.

[@slushyslushslushbruh]

half the time? you mean all the time

[@Apathy.Apathy.]

He is one. He earns hundreds of thousands of dollars a year talking about stuff he’ll never take any action on.

[@GuildistGuevara]

@@emne5750 "or higher class backgrounds" tell me you know nothing about socialism without telling me you know nothing about socialism... there ain't no such thing as a "higher class background" socialist dialectic is a dichotomy between the owners of the means of production/land (the bourgeoisie) and those who have to sell there labor to them (the proletariat and peasantry). also socialism isn't a political movement, it's an ideology/doctrine which many political movement are guided by, including those whose leaders are actually proletarian and or of the peasantry. also, also, it's "from bourgeois" not "from bourgeoisie" the term 'bourgeoisie' is pluralistic, learn basic English.

[@bb-double-yuh]

​@@GuildistGuevara You wanna know what it's called when a large group of people adapt and promote an ideology? A SOCIAL MOVEMENT!

[@doublestarships646]

THAT GIANT THING OF WATER IS FILLED AND READY FOR BATTLE

[@gjtrue]

Who/What? 🤣🤣

[@justchyll2009]

FD signifier is what happens when you invest in high intelligence and low Wisdom. He’s not dumb, but he has no nuance in his views.

[@GraveYardShif7]

^ This. Got a lot of these on Social Media. Intellegent but very manipulative, anti-scientific, anti-intellectual, no wisdom, common sense and very egocentric. _FDSignifire, Russell Brand, The Young Turks, Steven Crowder and Vaush are examples._

[@davedavidson8892]

@@GraveYardShif7 good examples

[@Observette]

He’s just completely bought into the leftist ideology. And anything that goes against it, he can’t legitimize.

[@justchyll2009]

@@GraveYardShif7I agree with those except Russell, I’ve been a fan of Russel for years, and he invited people with a difference of opinion. He may not agree, but he doesn’t run from a difference of opinion.

[@DogWick]

Theres alot i agree with FD on but i don't shelter myself from other opinions i don't like the echo chambers left or right getting the whole picture you're opinions are much more solid than staying in you're echo chamber

[@DeadwingDork]

"Hasan is principled" god give us all strength the entire part about how he's a self-admitted propagandist and thinks it's a good thing, entirely uncritical of the harm his smugness is doing to the perception of the left. just, my god. I used to at least respect this dude a bit among his peers as someone who seemed to at least buy the stuff he was trying to sell to people, but this smug lefty "I promise I'm just using propaganda for good, smiley face" nonsense is only ever going to make more people hate left-aligned people for years to come. that plus the sheer inability to ever concede any point or just be wrong ever, like one person saying "oh damn that's a good point actually you got me there" is going to collapse the entire political ideology overnight. Noah Samsen jumping through unfathomable mental hoops to defend a misguided flagging campaign because muh politics is another great example. he literally could have just tried to justify what Illy did and say she had every right to flag the dude's video, but instead he tried the weaselly little liar dude approach of um acktuallying everything for like an hour. the left learned nothing from Hillary and the basket of deplorables. they learned nothing from Trump. sad! many such cases!

[@Abangamaboouse]

I was a lefty and I still want to be one but people like these make it so I can't. I want to be an ally but now I go bye bye.

[@HiGlowie]

That’s because he knows a lot of his fans are also Hasan fans. Where are all my leftists at who can see through the bs?

[@gigachad3925]

I think FD Signifier epitomizes a lot of what's wrong with lefties nowadays and what's been wrong with lefties across history, but on principle I actually agree that being a self-admitted propagandist is a good thing. Acknowledging the genuine role of propaganda and not pretending you're some perfect intellectual algorithm that only speaks in hard facts/logic is a good thing. The first step in convincing humans of your point of view is coming across as human yourself, which in part means using strategies that will appeal to them while using the hard facts as your foundation.

[@slipipipi7971]

Wowie youtuber who watches youtube wowie wowie

[@djayden4661]

@@HiGlowie Here

[@denwoowned2560]

This video taught me a lot about communicating and I am only 30 minutes in. First off, Kudos to Kahmal for sounding so non threating and approachable. He really kept F.D. Signifier open and connected to the conversation. However, I am taken aback by Kahmal's insinuations especially when F.D. left accidentally and a member of the voice chat, presumably an acquaintance of Kahmal, noted that "F.D. left when you (Kahmal) yelled at him". That set the tone for me as to how Kahmal and presumably his acquaintance saw the discussion. Also could be with past experiences with other KZbinrs and this pattern of discussion. Regardless, it is a good discussion nonetheless. I didn't feel, and haven't felt, that F.D. is smug when he is conveying his message. I watched many of his videos and none of them scream smugness to me. However, if F.D. was to be smug and is correct, would it matter? Say that F.D. is correct but is smug and gets the point across, what should it matter? Especially if he goes on other people's channels, open to discussion, even when the chat is doing him dirty. Approximately at 38:00, a debate starts about F.D's "How Black Athletes are Exploited" which slowly transitions to a debate about which sport is blackest & why Football is more abusive than Basketball in-terms of contracts. It surprised me that Kahmal wasn't aware of some of the facts that F.D. mentioned. I didn't know them either before watching the video but you'd expect somebody ready to debate the point to know some of those facts, specifically how sports are exploitive since the video is about that. I commend Kahmal's curiosity to ask about the points he didn't know but I'd expect him to prepare at-least.

[@Μ.Ζ-ρ4π]

You shouldn't prepare for a debate. The conversation went in a different direction so that doesn't make sense. You are just an fd signifier stan and didn't pay attention to khamal

[@xaviersanchez3498]

Bro you fucking yapping lol go write a book about it

[@c0nundrm]

He was just stating that the smugness turns some people off and then if he’s actually making a good point the audience misses it or have turned there ears off because they may hold some of those views that he could’ve swayed them from. But because a person feels that they are being belittled or talked down to they can’t except the information. We all have egos and there’s a thin line to how much we can accept. It takes a really open mind to be able to push passed someone talking to you like a child or out right insulting them and grab the knowledge that’s being given. It’s just like having a boss thats a genius but that yells a lot. Most people or atleast I don’t respond well to yelling. Although I’ve learned how to differentiate between yelling out of anger and trying to demean me versus yelling out of frustration or the person hasn’t matured enough to communicate well. It still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I’m a supervisor at my work and I’ve learned there’s a balancing act that you have to use when trying to get adults to listen to you and do there jobs well even though they signed an application that says exactly the things that are required of them.

[@tylercarey2337]

Did you miss the part where Kahmal said let’s have a discussion? Never did he plan this to be a debate

[@XAssassin1065]

People like this dont want to be equal, they want to be superior.

[@TheJordanComplex]

Bro, it was posted two minutes ago. How do you already have an opinion? lol

[@nateclipps]

@@TheJordanComplex because we already watched it when it was live + the stream is still up

[@terryfiaty8383]

A new idea of racism..

[@tbj4855]

Who you talkin bout FD?

[@Ihatemyusernamemore]

@@TheJordanComplex probably based on things FD has said in the past, there's this guy Crimson who compiled a few of FD's "greatest hits" and some of it is pretty unhinged, he's for sure a supremacist, the patterns are obvious

[@CAHOP2401]

I really don’t get the “smugness” argument. I watch both you and FD videos a lot. I’ve seen a good amount of FDs content and I just don’t see or hear smugness. Maybe it’s because I’m closer to FDs age, but I’ve heard him say multiple times that when he’s touching a subject he’s not well versed in, he’ll recommend other channels (many times smaller channels) that viewers should go check out for a more fleshed out perspective. I’m a fan of FD because he has a perspective of an older millennial like myself and I’m also a fan of yours because it’s encouraging to see young creators having a grounded view on things.

[@khi_has_spoken]

110% agreed! Coming from another older millennial 🫡

[@tishaw.8254]

This is exactly what I’m thinking. The idea of him being smug NEVER crossed my mind.

[@dsmith6035]

I think there's conflating happening. FD makes comments or analyses he disagrees with and speaks confidently, so he's smug? I completely disagree.

[@taerikee]

Lowkey, I think some people get mad because Fiq uses big words and he can be long-winded.

[@chilibeer3912]

Totally agree. I enjoy a lot of his content even though I can’t stand most of the people he collaborates with. I can understand why his stuff isn’t for everyone but I don’t think it’s an issue of smugness.

[@truthseekingtillweascend387]

Man I just came across your channel off the random and I’ve watch dam near all your videos in one sitting. You are entertaining and make some good points l. Keep being you family fr. I wish you well

[@kreaux221]

Holy shit he responded! my boi Kahmal making waaaaaves

[@Kahmalwastaken]

Aayyyeee

[@thestarchgod8663]

Bruh the smugness is killing me some bourgeoisie intellectual talking down on people.

[@kevintanza6968]

Intellectuals historically look down on normal people.

[@emne5750]

Well duh, the enlightened revolutionaries need to teach the working class or prols of their oppression and guide them to freedom! It is literally the premise of every "for the people" ✊️ thought leader.

[@Shockguey]

​@@kevintanza6968 Problem we have now is stupid people are getting in and pretending they're smarter than they are.

[@Abangamaboouse]

If I was as smart as that dude is, you bet your ass I would be the same.

[@HiGlowie]

@@Abangamaboousebet you also like Hasan.

[@SheriffValentine]

Thanks for blessing everyone with a 2 and a half hour long video!

[@Kahmalwastaken]

least I could do

[@vitalepitts]

50:48 "That's why I came on here - because you're black" ~FD Signifire

[@brianmeen2158]

Everything is about race to him. You know what you call a person that obsesses about race? A racist

[@Apathy.Apathy.]

@@brianmeen2158It’s because it’s the simplest way to divide people and FD needs conflict to feed his channel.

[@jultdi5273]

He said that was joke though

[@Konoronn]

FD is an anti-white racist.

[@deeznutz8320]

@@jultdi5273 no hè didnt

[@ltarmenia4ever]

Fd Signifier creating a leftist black creator space runs into one significant issue: Most of us who live and work around black people make someone like FD Signifier an anomaly. He's a small percentage of perhaps some other academic in the black community who are these specific kinds of leftists, but claim to speak in an authoritive way regarding the black community overall. Thing is almost no one - especially working class and even middle class in the black community talks like FD or has remotely similar thoughts about capitalism. One thing that does stand out to me is that alot of people I run into in the black community - especially business owners and entrepreneurs believe they have agency and their attitude reflects it. FDs core worldview reflects that he nor any other marginalized person has agency because the system is too stacked against them. Most black people don't believe that and their actions reflect that.

[@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo]

The worst part is that he doesn't even acknowledge that he is going against what he's preaching. He was able to develop his channel and build wealth off of that.

[@kylio95]

I can wager the overwhelming majority of FD's friends are white, that's who he will surround himself with.

[@viktorthevictor6240]

​@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo Oh Jesus Christ, this again? The "You're against capitalism and yet you're participating in it" bs? Yeah big surprise, it's possible to make it if you combine hard work and good luck. That's besides the point

[@pc3340]

@@viktorthevictor6240 his point is absolutely valid. these ppl do not acknowledge what capitalism has done for them. They most likely wouldn't have these naive ass opinions if they were brought up in any other system. Its a big round a bout flaw, the privilege the system provides directly works against itself when there is no point of comparion. That why we see this left bs segregated to mainly young ppl.

[@viderevero1338]

​@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo He acknowledges it in nearly every recent video, so that's not exactly a fair criticism. Itarmenia has something to say, this comment, not so much. He does say that it's a catch 22, trying to preach the woes of capitalism, whilst directly benefiting off of it as a father who provides for his kid, and as a sort of egotistical douche who probably likes money. For all of his faults, I do think FD actually means what he says, if nothing else. I don't think he's a grifter.

[@dillon7748]

15:12, you hit on here my biggest annoyance w FD. He'll make a strong assertion, then if pressed, suggest you need to have read 3 niche books on the subject that he doesn't have time to explain or just change the subject, making other unsubstantiated claims

[@theGhost349]

I feel like everyone eventually gets to that point where they say I’ve just read more books or I’m older and you can’t understand. And it’s bullshit lol

[@czarbuscus1475]

Yeah I'm a strong believer in if you have knowledge on something that you want someone else to understand, learn to teach it instead of saying "oh just read this book" like no show your wisdom that you want me to have and teach. Them through the teaching I will make my choice

[@viderevero1338]

@@theGhost349 It's a backtrack on the Ethos argument, you're leveraging your supposed experience to make the other person's point seem weaker in comparison simply because they don't share that experience. Applied like this, it's always so annoying.

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

What I think is so funny is his implication that any kind of reading will drive one to his viewpoint. I’m reading Sowell’s “Vision of the Anointed” right now and boy does the good Doctor have FD’s number in that one.

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

Whenever somebody says "You need to read this book" when discussing a topic. That means they don't understand the topic themselves. Usually it means this: 1. They own the book, but didn't read it. 2. They own the book, but mostly skimmed through it. 3. They read the book, but didn't understand the material they were reading. Anybody who has a truly firm understanding of an issue is able to talk about it in their own words without telling somebody to read an entire book on the topic. The idiom "If you can't teach it, then you don't understand it" comes to mind. If somebody is talking about an issue and then when pressed for details they say "Oh go and read X." It's because they're just regurging talking points and don't really possess well rounded knowledge about the topic.

[@expjose6781]

The whole flash villain analogy sounded a little pretentious

[@Kahmalwastaken]

lol

[@Gchildwarrior]

Aba would be Reverse Flash since he donated to a police dept to spite FD 😂 Edit: Aba was trolling the whole time

[@acubewitha2dhat]

Flash villains go hard bro is just yappin

[@Gchildwarrior]

@@acubewitha2dhat Captain Cold's freeze tech can disrupt the speed force. That's why Flash has difficulty fighting him

[@erk8520]

@@Gchildwarrior Aba said he aint' donate ish and was just trolling FD. They said in an episode lot too long after that Aba doesn't even pay for a used bike tire lol.

[@Obsidot]

Honestly, I feel like calling someone "smug" isn't a valid argument, especially when the person who you're calling smug has the credentials and has done the research most in this comment section haven't. Im glad yall were able to have a civil discussion but the way this fanbase just dismisses the topics or any argument because they see him as a "grifter" or a "commie" just shows whos actually unwilling to engage in a productive discussion. Like he said at the beginning, debate is mostly entertainment as most ppl aren't in it to have a learning experience. Very disappointing comment section, but i congratulate you on your attempt to have an honest discussion.

[@PersonaXlll]

Facts, I get this is "criticism" but he was laughing at everything himself coming off if not as condensing lol. Both have good facts and provide information though just keep it 💯

[@lucast.1259]

This was an intresting discussion betwenn you two. Gotta say, I respect FD for checking by, clarifying his viewpoints and being respectfull. If we had more discussions like this, where people with diffrent views conduct themselves and argue in a respecful manner, I think the world could be a better place.

[@RetreatSequel]

Solid convo Kahmal, hopefully FD will continue open discussion and be open to criticism from other perspectives. I came in late to the stream so I only saw condescending parts but overall he did seem genuine.

[@RetreatSequel]

If not to hear new ideas then at least to flesh out his already held beliefs

[@Itsstuff7328]

SHADOW BOXING. He is so obsessed with his CONCEPTION of you that he forgot to actually listen to you

[@ARealPersonNotABot]

At the end of the day FD is a race hustler. Plain and simple. It used to be people like Al Sharpton and you could see him coming a mile away. Not just because of his girth, but because he was so obviously a hustler. With people like FD, he comes at the hustle from an academic angle. It's just as sleazy if not more, but it sounds better. It's the same old hustle though. FD and AL both do well using our race as a come up.

[@letBIGGIErest]

I'll always remember Al Sharpton as the guy who called Whitney Houston "WHITE-y Houston" for singing pop music.

[@kevintanza6968]

@@letBIGGIErest As an outsider, since I'm not American and I don't live there, it always suprised me at how obsessed some of you people are with race. To the point that people like Houston get to be criticized for the type of music she chose to sing. And it's not usually from a place to try finding common ground but rather to undermine the other person.

[@emne5750]

Thank you! Al Sharpton has always been an absolute scumbag.

[@Shockguey]

It all comes out if you pin him on the landlord question. It's literally just a guy making money off houses he bought while spending money maintaining them. He still has rights. However all the Socialists think criminals are "victims of the system" so they can never do anything wrong.

[@hansolo9585]

Sharpton isn’t a race hustler and never was one. That’s an idea perpetrated by legit racists.

[@PopularNobody]

Calling FD smug when that's your tone in every video you've made is hilarious. Y'all need to work together more

[@fodetoure1576]

💯

[@que6025]

It's hard not to sound a little smug when presenting a thought out, deep dive analysis on topic you have studied extensively. You either get smug or you get boring. But it's fucking unforgivable to be as smug as this kid is for how shallow and vapid everything he has to say is

[@TimL-nr4hr]

​@@que6025fd signifier is also a nazi. So the kid has one thing over him.

[@TimL-nr4hr]

Fd is smug. And tedious. This guy at least thinks about what he says instead of putting research into the same boring talking points.

[@FlamingVaIIey]

@@que6025 You honestly believe that the hypocritical conman whose message pretty much always derives the furthest thing away from personal accountability is the better researched one? Of everything I've heard of this man is nothing but feelgood blabbery to play on people's emotions so they feel shitty and then he sells them the fix for the problem he himself created. If you believe that's the correct way to solve the problems of the black community I have a bridge to sell you my friend.

[@hubbabubba8083]

I’m enjoying seeing the growing number of creators who are REALISTIC. Not reactionary, not populist, but just serious and centrist in terms of condemning the extremists and not larping for the credit of being centrist. Much love man.

[@Spyderinagourd]

Centrism only helps fascists

[@adamlowe8822]

@@Spyderinagourdsounds like an Epstein cult member

[@Spyderinagourd]

@@adamlowe8822 elaborate on that

[@adamlowe8822]

@@Spyderinagourd People like noam Chomsky, Bill Clinton, Hillery Clinton and bill gates just to make a few

[@adamlowe8822]

@@Spyderinagourd Also you’re an idiot if you think communism is a good idea In any way shape or form

[@ChrisGoldie]

The " change the way its said that will help" excuse has been used since the civil rights era. The reason why this repeats throughout history is because every time tries to have a conscience convo either trying to properly educate or to fix issues politicians,companies and media finds a new excuse to distract from having the convo. What you are asking for is a goal post that is always moving

[@OdaSwifteye]

From a marketing perspective, changing the name would work, but if the product is the same and the customer genuinely doesn't like it, then a new coat of paint just kicks the can down the road. Sometimes you just have to scrap a product idea and make something else.

[@chibu3212]

Wouldn’t we still be screwed then regardless if we change how its said because all of those powers you mentioned that are unaligned with the cause, will still find excuses anyways ? It’s like a doomed if you do or don’t scenario

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

The issue is actually FD shifted the goalposts. The reason so many seem to disagree on what racism even means is because academics in fear of having funding lessened and their jobs become obsolete, redefined the term to be as nebulous as it is banal.

[@ChrisGoldie]

@@Shapes_Quality_Control The reason nobody agrees is because America is afraid to admit its own history. because of this fear. they have told a large number of lies over the course of 400 years and now these lies are baked into america. with alot of people denying clear history because of what their parents have told them.

[@OGtheGoat9]

DO NOT rethink your strategy, you’re doing just fine. I’m rethinking my opinions on FD. And it’s not because of you, it’s because I made an adult decision. I’m not an idiot. I am just capable of listening and discernment. FD is sounding like a cult leader, and he doesn’t even see it. Hell, I didn’t even see it until today.

[@OGtheGoat9]

Wrong again 1:17:55-I definitely think he is left leaning. Not everyone wants to be a socialist. Man this making me want to rethink all my shit. Don’t let him gaslight you into thinking you’re not left leaning. You’re just not a socialist.

[@laughingtothebanklikehahah3618]

@@OGtheGoat9FD labels himself as a black male feminist of course he’s left leaning lol. I used to be the FD train too until I found myself not agreeing with his far left views. With that being said, I still keep up with his videos because his takes are really interesting. Tbh his videos help me maintain a middle ground towards grey areas that are treated as black -and-white to the general population.

[@Abangamaboouse]

@@OGtheGoat9 Socialism is gonna stop racism, sexism, wealth inequality, people aging, threat of war, social media, radicalization, natural disasters and people being bad. That's why under socialism we can free everyone from prison and all live happily living in the same houses, driving the same cars, having the same interests, eating the same food and being good all time. Yeah socialism sounds awesome sign me up. (I have spent countless hours trying to figure out what socialism actually is I have even attended socialist protests to ask actual socialists what it is I still don't have a clue but it sounds like a perfectly fair and fun world. Imma just focus on my capitalism though so I can get what I want.(sorry for the yap))

[@jjrilla___2664]

This whole if the left is moving further left and you are still where you are means your no longer left is just alienating. It gets to the point where I’m like I guess I’m a centrist now 😂. My views and morals have not changed much. I am not a “progressive” as that term seems to mean to keeping moving to the extreme left until you get push back. With regard to FD I like to listen to people I disagree with and I don’t vibe with a lot of his conclusions as his lens taints a lot of his analysis.

[@zombieboy937]

​@jjrilla___2664 The left has always been where it is. It isn't moving. Being liberal has always been right of socialism.

[@marcusharness7868]

Gentlemen thank you for this, we can have conversations and not necessarily agree on everything but be cordial and respectful with each other. I pray for success for both of you.

[@LarryXLR]

"Americans only care about illegal immigration from Mexico" Bruh, show an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, Ecuador or Peru to any American and I guarantee that not one American (that doesn't speak Spanish) will be able to know the difference. It's not even a case of ignorance.

[@jordanthompson8268]

How stupid can homie be? Americans are mostly concerned about illegal immigrants from Mexico because that's where a bulk of them come from.

[@Numptaloid]

I agree but in his defence I presume he meant to say it from the perspective of an American who can't tell the difference, or at least I hope so.

[@scarletsletter4466]

For the record, even us Latinos cannot necessarily tell the difference in people from these countries until we hear them speak & even then, it depends on class & other factors. For example my family’s from Cuba and looks Spanish so it’s not unusual to get asked if if I’m from Argentina

[@darwinsanchez4842]

@@scarletsletter4466 exactly

[@kevintanza6968]

If you mean looks, I can buy that. But once they talk about our cultures, you can tell they know nothing 😅

[@doublestarships646]

I literally started laughing when he said football is more black than basketball. I'm glad he took that L because I don't know how a black person could get that wrong. That was amazing lol.

[@zerotoanime3953]

Yeah he is in insane

[@brianmeen2158]

It shouldn’t matter how black or white any sport is though. The best players play and their skin color is irrelevant . Now if certain races are being prevented from competing then that’s a big problem but they aren’t to my knowledge

[@doublestarships646]

@@brianmeen2158 His argument is that he thinks there's still a large mistreatment of black players in sports but he paints it under his extreme ideology or Far Left pipeline. Like he thinks that player he mentioned is being under paid for what he's worth but I don't know if his contract has other benefits in place of the missing money. There's a lot of questions he leaves on the table and it's worrisome.

[@FrostyMts]

Both invented by White men.

[@FrostyMts]

So even by his standards he loses.

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

The NCAA doesn’t pay those players anything, companies pay those players to use their name, image and likeness. The NCAA doesn’t pay a single player a single penny of the billions those players make those schools. The colleges have not lost one penny from those rules changing

[@Spyderinagourd]

This boiled down to, "I dont care about facts or reality, your tone hurt my feefees." As well as, "I wont read long passages or watch long videos, make everythin short and simple for me bc anythin else hurts my brain." Did the child forget you can play things at accelerated speed and that you can look up phrase or terms you dont understand. Pathetic more than anythin.

[@dco1019]

"Tone" is just the general annoyance of race peddlers/preachers and the overabundance of them. Yea their tone, as is yours, is smug. They are totally not needed in today's society and only cause harm to it (like causing segregation, resent and feeding into a certain unjustified arrogance and malpractice) besides filling up their own pockets though. Good thing someone in the race finds them annoying as well and dares to say it instead of 'staying on code'...

[@HollywoodERock]

I'm 47 minutes into the video & this is the impression I'm getting. Seems like he fundamentally misunderstands because it's easy to live in ignorance smh.

[@azaelandy04]

I just found your channel and I appreciate you two getting together for a convo. I do think FD has some great insights from some of his videos I’ve watched.

[@ghabiman]

Y’all coming for FD on educating people on systemic issues is wild. Ya’ll trippin!

[@bil4630]

exactly

[@NBAPlayersAssociation]

I think I finally understand what’s happening here. An articulate guy that makes a certain demographic feel comfortable, but making them feel at ease with their anti intellectual/critically thinking frame of mind. Listening to this the biggest takeaways are, “you make me feel bad because I dont understand certain things.” & “i need to tone police because I don’t feel comfortable with the conversation”. It took me awhile to really appreciate this conversation

[@jsimms4292]

Can you specify who is who in your comment, please? Thanks.

[@prod.youngsensai]

@@jsimms4292it sounds like he’s describing Kahmal but idk I can’t put words in his mouth + I have bias

[@bil4630]

Hes describing the comments sections reaction to the video, and kahmals perspective/ channel

[@AfroSam16]

Kahmal: “no one knows what that means” “talk normal.” Why settle here when you can ask, learn or google what these mean? Sounds like because you don’t understand and because you don’t take the time to watch his content (this you admitted multiple times here) then this means he is smug and acts mightier than thee.

[@bil4630]

exactly exactly exactly

[@billrobinson7897]

One smug guy calling another guy smug is amusing lol not choosing a side just thought it was funny

[@deeznutz8320]

@@billrobinson7897 *Picks FD side* Not picking a side

[@NiohArcadia]

That Flash Villan analogy was actually halarious 🤣

[@Spyderinagourd]

Son if readin a lot of difficult words and concepts is too much for you. You can watch "Judas and the Black Messiah" or the works of Bootsy Collins like "I'm a Virgo" or "Sorry to Bother You." You can even do it drunk

[@letBIGGIErest]

oh boy..... imma buckle up for this bullshit

[@Kahmalwastaken]

Buckle up

[@rogerkeleshian2215]

​@Kahmalwastaken 8 minutes in and already he said he was Batman lmao.

[@gjtrue]

@@rogerkeleshian2215 More like Bat-Mite.

[@wiegandway]

Annnnnnd into the wall like a crash dummy test

[@onlyone23km]

The real bullshit here is telling black folks to look presentable when looking presentable won’t save you from bigots being bigots.

[@ek5273]

"Hasan is principled" How is preaching marxism out of a mansion principled

[@emne5750]

Don't get it twisted, that is real Marxism, we just lucky we live in a time where Hamas Piker can't hide and be made fun of.

[@gjtrue]

It is to brainlets who refuse to see the irony.

[@ProjectileGrommet]

What does democratic workplaces have to do with living in a mansion?

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

@@ProjectileGrommetWhat does democracy have to do with scarcity?

[@ProjectileGrommet]

@@Shapes_Quality_Control I can’t tell if you think that’s an own… preaching for democratic workplaces has everything to do with scarcity. The idea that wealth accumulates at the top instead of distributed amongst the laborers is ridiculous Don’t get me wrong, hasan can be tremendously annoying, but his enterprise is made up of one person, so he distributes his earnings from streaming 8 hours a day across himself. It’s not like he controls Amazon and has 100,000 people on payroll getting paid 5% of the value they produce

[@Insanityltself]

Kahmal is criminally underrated. Entertaining guy and he makes sense lol.

[@dlilwon]

I usually sub to CCs after 5-10 videos but i had to sub to you upon first watch. Your takes are so refreshing and unbiased.

[@fodetoure1576]

Being so smug WHILE calling someone smug is pure gaslighting

[@scizorbullet8185]

Yeah difference between them is that FD won't get triggered by somebody being smug

[@fodetoure1576]

@@scizorbullet8185 agreed

[@KANYETHEGIANT228]

How much until we're good enough? What is a victim hood mentality, when you are in a system created to make you the victim? We can have pride, but material conditions don't disappear because we don't look at it.

[@MJWCBW]

This is a debate between someone who is educated on systemic issues and someone who lives within the status quo. Disagreeing doesn’t equal being smug. Disagreeing also doesn’t make you correct. “Victim mentality” has always been a racist rhetoric to shame disenfranchised groups. Definitely comes off like many of y’all are mad bc you’re not educated

[@OdaSwifteye]

This is really more like a debate between someone who is a realist and someone who insists on pursuing an untenable goal. Kahmal's point of view is entirely based on what has already been demonstrated. At some point the systematic racism rhetoric encourages division because one side wants to fight because they are convinced that they are victims of literally everything and the other side wants to fight because to accept these accusations would basically be condemning yourself as an immoral and destructive member of society. An actual, dyed in the wool racist cannot be "educated" on how to treat other races with dignity and respect, but you can nag the rest of the populace into resenting everything you say regardless of whether it's valid. FD talks so much about being a teacher, but good teachers don't nag, and hammering the CRT issue is nagging as it's being applied to people who are already making a concerted effort to not be racist.

[@jordanthompson8268]

The irony of a leftist claimingthat other people aren't educated.

[@hope-cat4894]

Having a college degree doesn't bar anyone from criticism. This mindset of "You're all uneducated and need to just trust me even when my ideas don't sound good," is part of what turns people away especially when we hear about academic scandals involving campus research. You can have systemic racism _and_ victim mentality be a problem. The two can coexist and even feed into each other.

[@MJWCBW]

@@hope-cat4894 that’s not the mindset either. The mindset is “I (or whoever) have studied this extensively on the academic and informal levels and therefore can speak on these issues from that perspective.” No one is telling ppl to believe everything they hear bc someone has a degree. But we’re not going to act like degrees aren’t a validating attribute to any knowledge base. You’re not going to tell your surgeon you’re skeptical of his knowledge bc “academic scandals” exist. And no. Hardly any ppl of disenfranchised groups are running around feeling sorry for themselves and claiming victimhood as the “victim mentality” rhetoric would suggest. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t victims of and to a biased system.

[@spinachslurp9176]

@@MJWCBW I mean, the difference is that surgeons actually do their job. There are visible results. Most of people who read critical race theory seem to just be frustrated and go after people for bullshit. Did any of that actually help any racial problems? It just seems to spread more hatred and discontent.

[@KANYETHEGIANT228]

Martin Luther King used that term (rugged individualism, while the wealthy enjoy socialism among the rich) in one of his speeches. Bro brush up on your history and politics

[@johnlaten]

Its crazy how I almost missed this stream, this is probably the first time I’ve ever seen FD get out of his echo chamber and talk to someone who disagrees with him without calling that person an Uncle Tom This was an actual productive conversation, I also think this conversation highlights a lot of problems with online leftist. It’s like they live in they’re own little bubble and read marxist theory and preaches online about the problems with the systems (which I agree with) but they think that’s gonna do anything, they sit on their pile of money and preach about the evils capitalism while demonizing and looking down on those who actually go out and gets stuff done and help improve society in any way (small or big) People like FD only want to convert people to his ideology because it fits his idea of what society should be like but the problem is people (especially black people) disagree with him about that society and that hurts his inflated ego. This reminds me of when WillyMac debated Hasan (although less screaming) because both FD and Hasan are so political brained that they can’t handle a normal person who’s not 100% align with them disagreeing with them. Kahmal and WillyMac both kinda represent like 80% of people in the US, just normal people who aren’t so much into politics. They don’t see things from a “left or right” perspective they see things from a common sense perspective, I think that’s why people like Hasan and FD get more annoyed with you then any right winger or conservative because they can’t write you both off as crazy right wingers or “Chuds” because you’re not and that forces them to realize just how stupid they sound because if normal people like Kahmal and WillyMac don’t like them and their policies then how are they gonna convince the normal person to join their cause?

[@littlebabyman8494]

Most people HATE the system we’re in due to its flaws constantly being exploited by people who care nothing for our wellbeing. The fact that the side who says “the system is flawed” the most doesn’t get more traction says something about their messaging.

[@onlyone23km]

How is it ego when everything out of his mouth is the result of his research?

[@bil4630]

when has any prominent online leftist (who isnt a certified grifter or a neoliberal) ever demonized those who take action? Literally what are you talking about

[@zonicable]

The portion of the live where black women dying during childbirth was being discussed really made me angry. Not because of what you guys were saying but because the chat was filled with dismissive and hateful remarks on the subject. So many people are so quick to dismiss the pain (and in this case, death) of black women as if they’re subhuman. It’s only a Google search away. Look it up. Saying “doctors and nurses don’t have time to be racist” is such a smooth brained take. Hate never “doesn’t have time” to show it’s ugly face. The ignorance and vitriol on display in the chat during this discussion is sickening.

[@OdaSwifteye]

This is the first time I'm hearing of black women dying more often in childbirth. I wonder what the fine details are? I know that a lot of black women have poor diets and probably don't engage in prenatal exercise (probably due to work or not having the money for it) but a higher morality rate than the average? Hm. My cousin did get very sick at the tail end of her pregnancy but as mentioned, she has a very poor diet, she works and runs around all the time. Hell her daughter is obese and painfully neglected...

[@jordanthompson8268]

@@OdaSwifteye You pretty much hit the nail on the head as to why it's the case.

[@jordanthompson8268]

The cause of this phenomenon is not reeecist doctors.

[@Antwannnn]

That's bc black people cant have any struggle different from others to these people. And when we complain that things ain't right we're lazy slouchers who don't want to work. Honestly I've only seen one video from this guy and I liked it, but once I saw FD be compared to Umar I knew he wasn't it. And therefore the audience he's garnered wouldn't be it. I'm curious what FD demographical analytics are compared to this dude.

[@scarletsletter4466]

I’m a neuro, I don’t deliver babies, but I can confirm that in general, African Americans have more negative healthcare outcomes associated with obesity, nutritional deficiencies & other lifestyle factors including drug use & environmental exposure to toxins. Much of this relates to poverty (for example, you’re exposed to secondhand smoke & other toxins in low-income housing) and equalizes when we adjust for income. Meaning, impoverished people of all backgrounds have similar issues. However, there are some genetic factors for example with heart disease. I’m Latino and it affects our men, too. You just cannot blame doctors or systemic issues for every negative healthcare outcome. If you want maximize your outcomes- eat well, exercise, reduce stress, & get frequent checkups.

[@Finessekaiser]

I feel like there’s a huge moment at 1:09:13 that isn’t addressed. Septic was 100% having a conversation with someone about complete segregation. That kinda shows the people in the circle they keep. Segregation is an option for them. No one brought up segregation. Then septic does and fumbles on why he even brought it up. Then He mutes him and they move on without questioning that.Is it not weird he was talking about it?

[@upd0g1]

I agree with like 89.9% of what Kamal says. Im a day 2 sub. However, smugness isn’t an argument and also it feels weird as hell. If you walked into a chemistry classroom and the professor started teaching chemistry confidently and using words that a chemistry professor would use-it seems weird as hell to tell that person they’re being smug and that they need to deflate their ego. If you work a 9-5, just understand that this 40 year old man did a 9-5 for like 6 years just about the academic study of racism and its implications etc etc. I feel like there should be a base level of respect for someone who has actually hit the books and at least tried to understand these systems and their consequences. Of course it’s appropriate to disagree with opinions, disagree with personal flavor, disagree with premises, but it feels incredibly weird to enter into a conversation with someone who has legitimately studied something and not try to learn their perspective without calling them smug every few seconds. It may have just been the alcohol or setting, but yeah. Id really love to see Kamal blow the fuck up, and I think level-headed black folks are very needed in the “moderate” YT space. But the literal whining about smugness is a weird look. Also socially it makes sense that Kamal wouldn’t get along with FD they’d never be friends in real life. One is a father with multiple college degrees and the other is one of the best up and coming entertainment KZbinrs in the game. Not saying they couldn’t, but like if someone has never seen a football game it makes sense they might not find many friends at the Super Bowl convention.

[@jordanthompson8268]

Smugness is an argument. Calling someone smug is saying they have unwarranted self-importance.

[@upd0g1]

@@jordanthompson8268 no that’s a conclusion. The argument would be why the confidence is unwarranted. The conclusion is that if it is unwarranted, then you’re smug. Step ur game up lil bro

[@chibu3212]

@upd0g1 I agree with you that Kamal should have came in better with an open mind, willing to learn multiple perspectives. Especially someone with as many credentials as FD. I guess the question is not necessarily if the confidence is warranted or not (in my opinion it is), but more if the “smugness” is effective for communication. Also being smug isn’t necessarily always a 1:1 with self confidence, nor is it necessarily an example of positive confidence. It is possible to achieve the accomplishments that FD has achieved, without developing a potential superior complex. Maybe in a different context such as combat sports but not KZbin essays/debates.

[@upd0g1]

@@chibu3212 that’s fine but the weirdness is what does Kamal have to do with the effectiveness of FD’s communication? Kamal’s position isn’t “I agree with you and want you to be successful, so your smugness needs to change to get the word out better” Kamal’s position is “wow. You are so smug.” Which in my mind is similar to that chemistry lecture situation. You go to the professor and say some shit like “you would be a more effective teacher if you weren’t so smug” For the professor to say anything less than “go sit down and take notes or get gone” is just professionalism or patience on the professor’s part. This being a KZbin stream with someone calling in, obviously the context is different. But for there to be zero acknowledgement or even awareness from Kamal just makes him kinda look like an uneducated teenager with no arguments saying “wowwwww ur sooo weird dude you gotta chill lmfaooo I’m dead 💀 sheeeesh”

[@sardonichawk1667]

Thank you. I get it, FD might be smug, but this is the pot calling the kettle black. Kahmal kept saying FD was smug for using “big words” and “quotes”(literally just being studied… Pretty low IQ to even say tbh) meanwhile he kept throwing disses quietly, saying slick comments, and laughing and being blatantly rude anytime FD was trying to make a point. Who’s really the smug one here?

[@jarltrippin]

Black Destiny would be a hard name.

[@RetreatSequel]

Nah this is the shit FD warned Kahmal about. Just sound like "Discount Destiny"

[@myself2noone]

Sounds like a power metal band.

[@Observette]

Blackstiny?

[@avoidantbehavior]

@@Observette redundant. Destiny is a black woman

[@laughingtothebanklikehahah3618]

That’s a girl’s name - *Jesse Lee Peterson*

[@hyperhearthurt]

I truly enjoyed this conversation! You should really work together as you rally compleat each other with your energy! Thank you!

[@kaylajordan8513]

Hearing FD defeated Hasan is something I would never thought I hear . This is refreshing always gotta diversify who you listen to.

[@Spyderinagourd]

This kid is just proudly undereducated and is upset that someone has read so much more than him and knows his subjects. Its not bein smug its called bein confident bc you know somethin well after puttin in the work to gain information like readin. Kid says he reads, very likely an uncritcal popcorn consumer

[@jsimms4292]

That’s the vibe I got from this video and the comments…

[@TimL-nr4hr]

Ah yes. You've fallen for the fd bullshit. If you can understand whatever Judith butler is babbling about you aren't educated. You just know jargon

[@chalkywhite2598]

This conversation is wild, especially when someone seems happy not to know anything and acts like that somehow makes them more enlightened. It’s crazy that he thinks not knowing stuff and "talking normal" means he has a better understanding just because he’s avoiding academic language or theory. Being proud of ignorance doesn’t make you insightful-it just means you’re missing out on deeper understanding. And if you think FD is smug, that’s probably more about your own insecurities. Confidence can get mistaken for arrogance, but that’s usually a personal issue. And it's evident dude didnt go to college and he is very much anti-intellectual. I didnt see any desire on his part to actually have an academic conversation.

[@geometerism9378]

Shouldn’t FD, a very gifted and generous man, a solider for black people everywhere, condescend from the ivory tower and bless this young cat with deep wisdom spoken in the vernacular; so that all may benefit from his breath of knowledge? What happened to having the heart of a teacher? And If he can’t explain his position simply doesn’t that betray a lack of understanding?

[@bil4630]

@@geometerism9378 kahmal has shown he isn’t interested in listening, and its difficult to teach a student who isn’t willing to learn

[@jeremyhennessee6604]

This is my third video of yours. (I subscribed about halfway through the first one) Great work man. When you can make valid points AND be funny/make people laugh, it's always a good device because the humor often serves to lessen the tension that usually arises anytime Religion or Politics get brought up. I'm not familiar with FDSignifier (outside of this engagement and the video you made on him and Umar which led to it) but I think he seems sincere and I understand why he draws many of the conclusions he draws. I think if more political and socioculturally oriented conversations were had like THIS, that the world would be much better than it currently is in many respects. But unfortunately most who watch such content seek to confirm their own preconceived biases and/or quite honestly just want "blood" (metaphorically speaking.). They just like to see people argue or scream over one another while spouting the same wearied out slogans and Bandwagon Buzzwords that might be mildly entertaining, but don't really lead to much growth for any party (or the audience) concerned. I'm not a formally educated person. I work various construction jobs, mostly landscaping this time of year. 10 hr days with a weedeater, but I do like reading when i can, and read voraciously as a younger man. (yeah, I'm pretty "old" my teen nephew and daughter in her 20's informs me.) So I've read many of the same authors FD mentioned and admire many of them. Especially Dubois and Langston Hughes. And I have to say that it CAN be good advice, his encouraging you to read more when you can if for no other reason than to expand your knowledge base concerning many of the topics you already seem naturally inquisitive and downright brilliant about. I think you have the kind of MIND that books would serve well, because you are a critical thinker man, and critical thinking is one of the most important yet sorely LACKING qualities for most people in modern society in my opinion. I was surprised somewhat (when pressed to mention an instance of Socialism that worked in a society) that FD didn't mention Jacobo Arbenz as at least a possibility. Because in many respects it could be argued that he fit that bill, or WOULD have, had he been allowed to continue leading his people. (he was a democratically elected leader the CIA and american government had deposed by riling up certain members of his own people against him, in order to put in a Puppet who ended up leading the country further to hell in a handbasket. If you're already familiar with Arbenz please forgive the rehash.) Also, forgive the near-essay length of this comment but to be fair it was a 2+ HR video and I did watch it to the end. Books I think you might like if you've not already read Them are : Marshal McCluhan: The Mechanical Bride (and virtually anything he wrote if his ideas resonate with you) Edward Bernays Propaganda and Crystalizing Public Opinion, Walter Lippmann: Public Opinion and The Phantom Public. Anything W.E>B. DuBois, Langston Hughes, James Baldwin (Go Tell it on The Mountain was amazing.) But if you're too busy or honestly just not interested I get that too and maybe...Sparksnotes or youtube videos on them. I realize everyone has different capacities for learning and whether you're watching/listening or reading, if you're learning you're learning. It's all valid. I don't (or try not to) have any real firm political orientation. I grew up small towns throughout the South (Tennessee.) and most of the people here are republican types or just completely disenfranchised by it all due to the lack of sincerity and fakeness present on all sides of the spectrum. Yes, unfortunately racism is a huge problem here in my own little area, but there has been improvements, a lot of them I think, and progress is being made. But that's a subject I won't even get into because I've already yapped for 6 paragraphs and have to get to work. Still (if you read this) again, GREAT content man. I think you're doing just fine and i HOPE you go on to make those movies you mentioned making. I write some when I can. (comic book ideas, poetry, essays, articles, short fiction and a few novels in various stages of completion I go back and forth with.) I think they would be worth watching. Just be careful too. Many Modern Creators seem to have a tendency of Burning out before they really start Burning you know. If you get paid doing something youre truly passionate about you will never really Work a day in your life, you'll just be getting paid to pursue your passion. Try not to let it become too much of a JOB later buddy. JSH

[@ember2.031]

32:05 "Content warnings are cringe unless it's like rape" brother 90% of those are about child abuse including sexual assault I really didn't get the point of that comment.

[@jcnot9712]

I don’t think the problem with CRT is saying that all people are racist. The problem is that, when it’s applied, most say that black people can’t be racist. If CRT stated that everyone regardless of skin color holds biases/stereotypes toward other human beings, most reasonable people would immediately be on board.

[@zebraylonwoodruff6773]

Because Racism is an issue of Power. Can individual Black People Do Racist or Prejudice things? Yes but on the whole Racism is Structural. And that fucks over white people too

[@Raine749]

@@zebraylonwoodruff6773racism isn’t inherently structural

[@zebraylonwoodruff6773]

@@Raine749 so you are saying individuals are just racist for no reason and are born that way?

[@Raine749]

@@zebraylonwoodruff6773 no

[@Raine749]

@@zebraylonwoodruff6773 no

[@ShacoPL]

It's wild that people like FDS have any kind of attention online

[@ARealPersonNotABot]

He basically puts a period at the end of every far leftist larper when it comes to race. It sounds better hearing white savior talking points from a black guy. He's not even that eloquent with his points.

[@jcnot9712]

Kahmal has brought this up, but his scripted videos really are insightful. Specially if he’s doing a retrospective on someone, he really gave me personally many hours of entertainment, even tho I knew I disagreed with him politically. It was as soon as I started getting into his live content on his B Sides channel that I started thinking he’s goofy due to the vitriolic way in which he addressed others. It was giving Hasan Piker, which is why it didn’t surprise me that they break bread (no pun intended).

[@morezombies9685]

He makes decent content when it isnt about how horrible us white people are. He genuinely opened my eyes to a lot of very real issues in the black community. But that said i dont watch his stuff much anymore because it does come off as preachy and pessimistic after a while. I can only take being told Im the cause of all the problems on earth while also having no power to do anything about them so many times before it just gets dpressing. His vids dissecting culture and such are great though. He doesnt ONLY do political stuff.

[@jockslap]

@@morezombies9685 Summed up how I feel about him, pretty informative when he isn't getting bogged down in racist ideas about skin-color based guilt/responsibility/rights. The only problem with his stuff is that he's such a huge bigot.

[@ARealPersonNotABot]

@@morezombies9685 Just curious. what black issues did he bring up that you had never heard before?

[@damialesh2109]

I just found your content on my timeline. Shit's good! You are one of the few youtubers that feels real. I hope the youtube algorithm blesses you 🙏.

[@ToliG123]

Centrists problems: “please stop talking I’m trying to relax and not think!”

[@Spyderinagourd]

Many such cases

[@djwestbrook36]

I honestly feel like Kamal is more smug than even FD.

[@-sgsdfhdhhdt]

as a fan of FDs I really disagree

[@scizorbullet8185]

He is but they both have egos for sure.

[@JillCheese]

Kahmal is "smug" to highlight his sarcasm and "comedy" but also his "neutrality" on some takes. If you've ever watched an FD video, it's hard to sit through (for me) because not only is he smug, Kahmal was right in saying he's pretentious. Him talking to another human being makes him come across a bit better since he can't assume he's educating and enlightening Kahmal. I've watched his Lauryn Hill, Black Wrestling History, and a few other long videos from him, and it was very hard to make it to the end- especially when you actually know about the subjects he's discussing.

[@oqihouqiop]

I have a ton of respect for how both of you handled yourselves. We need more honest debates like this

[@DrGrumbles11]

In addition to fellating himself to an incredible amount, FD can’t sit through a 35 minute video of yours to provide proper feedback and gives you shit for not sitting through all of his hours long content. Lol wtf.

[@onlyone23km]

But the feedback he gave though was kind of true.

[@redduskironsky1058]

@@onlyone23km you really were out here defending everything people commented on FD, you clearly support him. Ew.

[@onlyone23km]

@@redduskironsky1058 there’s nothing nasty about supporting F.D. The man knows what he’s talking about.

[@deeznutz8320]

@@onlyone23km Good little neanderthal

[@emperorpalpatine6239]

@@onlyone23kmHe is a pretentious pseudointellectual

[@naseerwalker8292]

When this guy said he couldn’t get through community college everything started to make sense

[@OsirisMawn]

That JD grifter guy yeah?

[@jcnot9712]

I disagree with Turkey Tom not being political. He claims to be apolitical but you can tell where his politics are based on what he says and who he associates with (like Sam Hyde).

[@OdaSwifteye]

He does respect the pronouns of any trans person he talks to, which I don't think is something Sam Hyde would do, so I think Turkey Tom is just lazy. He doesn't vote because why goon at the ballot box when you can read the latest tweet.

[@Zee-fr6bz]

FD having no idea what bringing down the system would mean…. Just dumb on the most definitive level

[@ROB1N2401]

It's nice to have a debate/"confrotation" that doesn't devolve into shouting at each other and flows like a sane conversation between two people with different world views that discuss them. Really enjoyed the conversation and it felt more like two acquaintainces/buddies rambling on a podcast episode ❤ ...except the point from Khamal about FD being "obviously" smug, I don't even know what bro was yapping about 💀

[@antondounts1294]

I think both of you had a very engaging conversation and seem to agree on a lot of what you discussed. Props to both of you to engage each other in good faith. Much appreciated, especially on this platform.

[@supersodiq]

What a dope conversation. It's nice to see 2 people who both have a different perspective have rational conversation

[@woodsmand]

Sorry had to stop watching at "hassan is principled"

[@kevintanza6968]

Completely understandable.

[@freedomgoddess]

Have a great day.

[@moleculesplitter8774]

I’m struggling to keep watching

[@karmmy365]

He is. He could be out blowing his money and living rich to a higher extent. He's radicalizing kids and young adults on the internet. Should he sell all his possessions? This is a brain melt line of attack lol

[@fieryeurochick3194]

Tear the system down? What “system” would he think would make his life better?

[@whateverwhatever4026]

"Afro-Communism" - FD gets to be King Of Black People and gets to decide where all money goes.

[@lowserver2]

he described a full commie system, im pretty sure they wouldnt like that. How in the world is that less oppresive than liberal capitalism? wtf?

[@Justsomethingsyearsago]

​@@whateverwhatever4026all the money might go to him with the way he advertised his book every second 😂

[@wearereal68]

​@@whateverwhatever4026 There is no money or a hierarchy in communism

[@riotron1026]

Yall realize what anyone that either criticizes and/or advocates for the replacement of Capitalism doesn’t automatically make then a communist, right? Whoever uses the term in a pejorative way likely doesn’t even have a basic understanding of the economic concept. Mofos in spaces like these is the reason why people say so many Americans/Westerns are fucking stupid.😂

[@shadowblack10]

Not going to lie, you guys would make hilarious co hosts 😂😂

[@nas5276]

It never ceases to amaze me that you’ve been genuine and courteous to him and he is still trying to to use his position to make it seem like you and everyone else is the problem. Incredible. You’ve earned a sub! 👍 😊

[@kylio95]

Ugh I hate his smugness so much. His audience literally agree with everything he says, and he's telling Kahmal to be careful about the audience he's attracting. The audacity to do such when you're talking about burning down a system to a bunch of white far left tankies who are your main supporters. Meanwhile Kahmal has a very diverse audience. The guy is so full of himself it's unreal.

[@Nadia-bt5ls]

@@kylio95 why do you care that he is smug when he talks abt real issues like blk women dying and you care abt how he is saying it?

[@Nadia-bt5ls]

he was not courtesous and insulted him alot of times lol

[@nas5276]

@@Nadia-bt5ls yes because Smugnifier insulted him first. Also, most black women are killed by other black people.

[@BasedKungFu]

Being generous and courteous doesn't give your position any more credibility.

[@CoyoteKate22]

Calling FD smug while being this smarmy is so silly

[@chimwemwemoyo9374]

was about to say the same thing. he came off more smug than him.

[@Grandfinal43]

@@chimwemwemoyo9374right routinely throwing out the smug insult and not really engaging in good faith

[@gleebybooer]

I dont see him being smarmy tbh. I think FD signifier comes off as very wise in his scripted videos, but he really does come off as condescending in this convo, not really smug. I think he does it unintentionally, I don’t think he thinks people are beneath him. But I definitely see why people think he is condescending.

[@gleebybooer]

I hate Kahmel using the word “soy” but I think FD arguing black pro athletes are somehow the victims of snowbunnies is unintentionally hilarious.

[@deeznutz8320]

@@Grandfinal43 Its what FD is dude tries to be smart says some nonsense you ask him to back it up Uuuuh read 5 books bro Like fuck off

[@MeatbagTTV]

I got put on to your channel off your umar video. Huge FD sig fan, and found this conversation to be super cool. I dont see fd speak to many people he disagrees with on this level. Like fd said keep an eye around what kind of people your content attracts you are clearly talented and have a knack for this

[@Terriblyexplainingcomics]

Turkey Tom not being creative when he creates some of the most in depth documentaries about drama and lolcows to exist while still being entertaining af. Yea obviously Mr FD hasn’t seen a single video of his lmao

[@Observette]

Come on man, Turkey Tom is definitely not creative. His videos are decent but creative? Yeah I’m calling BS. ☎️

[@notTheXDer]

He's creative in his own way ​@Observette

[@Raine749]

@@Observettehow is he not creative?

[@NiohArcadia]

​@@ObservetteCreative is subjective

[@DASding148]

@@NiohArcadiaYeah so saying he‘s not is completely valid

[@mainablez8097]

I love the fact that you guys can sit down and have a conversation. I agree with both of you guys in between each argument, and the fact that discourse is still possible shows that we still have room as a community to grow. W video man love both of y'all!

[@ResidentTarantino]

Please do more stuff together. It was a little rough, but it got better. I liked your personalities clashing. Who knows, you might Signifi-cantly humble him. You could be the F.D. De-smugifier. man, these edibles ain't shi-

[@dlilwon]

😂

[@NikkoNikko98]

Mannnnn 😭🗣️😂

[@kordellricesnax]

You think you’re punny?

[@GetonthestiiX]

"I think i saw you at momocon" "I need to carry a gun" Is a priceless interaction

[@BuddhaGhost]

I'm halfway through, and the main criticisms I've heard from Kahmal are that FD is complaining about racial issues that just aren't as bad as ones that we've previously had, and that the tone FD takes with his videos comes off as pretentious because he uses big words, esoteric concepts and figures of speech that Kahmal isn't already familiar with as someone who is not well-read on this complex social phenomenon that FD is in graduate school for. In the same way that you would like people to actually listen to your opinions instead of being deterred by your far-right looking anti-SJW thumbnails and titles, I'm sure proponents of CRT would like for people to look past the title to actually engage with the education behind it, and FD would like for you to look past his tone to engage with the information. The things you're discussing are very complex, and it's not easy to fully explain it to someone who is not willing to take the time and effort to learn it. That doesn't make you stupid or lesser, it's just complicated.

[@ReaverSenpai]

it's good that people are starting to have open conversations despite being on opposing sides.

[@solomonpnq]

Calling someone a "Flash villian" is an underrated insult 😂😂

[@cristiancampos7807]

Common sense vs over the shoulder pretentiousness, I'm ready!!!

[@trentman9763]

90 minutes in as a black man i couldn't take it anymore. It almost like FD is surprised that someone as interesting and rational as Kahmal, disagrees with him. This man has spent too much time in the beeswax and cocoa butter intersectional marxist echo chamber.

[@waynewayne8419]

The funny thing is Kahmal doesn’t even properly disagree with FD. There is no particular point in the video did he bring up a counter to whatever FD said, it was all about how he says it. He was complaining about the football video and doesn’t even know how football contracts work. If you’re going to engage then do it properly.

[@PrettyTonyi]

It's so funny FD just can't understand people don't like him because he's so smug and immediately judges people in the worst way. It's just so tiring.

[@littlebabyman8494]

He’s confidently incorrect and is bad faith to those who challenge him. Deadly combo.

[@waynewayne8419]

@@littlebabyman8494what he is incorrect about

[@TheMysteryDriver]

@@waynewayne8419and he was never heard from again

[@onlyone23km]

He’s not smug, if you see where he gets his information from. He doesn’t just get paid to talk. Part of his act is to research his shit, then talk.

[@ash1eyrose]

⁠@@onlyone23kmwhat does where he get his information from, have to do with being smug? He could be 100% factually correct and still be smug lol

[@markstriker925]

Greatest crossover ever. MCU or DCEU could neva.

[@yeahey5947]

what kinda logic is a dude that dont even have one million says he would refuse to live in a better functioning society if it meant he only got to keep 3 mil🤔 loss aversion in outrageously hypothetical situations gonna be our downfall on this one

[@YoloSwagO]

The conversation about compensating athletes is like the worst criticism of capitalism I've ever heard. Some people might not be getting fairly paid by the system, but without the system in place most of the players potential value to society would no longer exist at all.

[@brianmeen2158]

I think it’s almost impossible to pay athletes fairly .. besides who dictates what “fair” even means?

[@upstar21t]

They get paid by millions of fans. If the people chose to give money to other things, then the people involved in those things would be rich instead.

[@kevintanza6968]

​@@brianmeen2158I honestly prefer someone like Lionel Messi being rich than a random politician. At least Messi earned his wealth through honest work.

[@gdrlss1535]

FD is a great KZbinr, it's just that when you go to his channel you know you'll be getting extremely left content, with his opinion mixed in. Like getting Fire Blast from a Magmortar, that's his thing. If you keep that in mind, you can enjoy his content by filtering it through "Leftist Propaganda", you'll find good info. I've learned a lot from him, it's just that I filter his content through my own perspective. That's all.

[@lear.5576]

i never thought of FD's tone of speech as condescending or smug i mean to each their own, but i always thought he sounded like a teacher and he makes things easier for me to understand

[@ArmLegLegArmHead47]

Only sounds smug to people who are insecure with their lack of knowledge and are unwilling to learn more. Absolute childish behavior

[@randomquentin]

​@@ArmLegLegArmHead47I like FD and haven't found a video I disagree with him on yet but it's clear to me he has a very positive opinion about himself. He is a smart guy so I don't blame him but i can't say he's not smug

[@Snowforest60]

Fd isnt snart nor does he teach anyone anything of value ​@@ArmLegLegArmHead47

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

i can't tell if he's being sarcastic when Kahmal says 'my grandparents are republicans' and fds is like 'NO!' dude prior to the 50s/60s the majority of African Americans were Republicans in an unbroken historic line all the way back to the 15th amendment. probably because Republicans lead the emancipation movement and democrats were the power structure of former confederates and oh yeah the birthplace of the klan.

[@Reason1024]

And oh yea the parties flipped, look up the southern strategy 🤦‍♂️

[@grawlixes]

you are awesome and it makes me happy that you hold your own effortlessly. keep it up!

[@officialvernonbrose]

Instagram will ice out all your alts when they ban you. I honestly never heard of Boyce Watkins before. It looks like FD is objectively more famous.