FE8: The Super Trainees' Journey

Finally got some free time in the weekends, I hate the accounting mods, so much to learn, so little time.
Before I go off-topic with my school rant, let's just continue with my analysis on the trainees.
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Ross: When NOT using his initial Hatchet, don't be surprised that he will miss most of the time, kinda like Gonzales, except his Spd growth seems to move to his Luk side. Once his hatchet runs out, it will be quite annoying to train him because axes have low accuracy in general, and he's weighed down by most axes along with his lowish spd growth.
Berserker: Able to climb mountains and swim across the seas with ease. More proficient in using axes with the bonus 15% critical. Let's use the class as a base for a comparison of all other promotional paths.
Warrior: Sacrifice the above for the use of bows.
Hero: Sacrifice the above for the use of swords.
Super Journeyman: Other than how cute he looks, there is no reason for anyone to promote Ross into this. Our original Berserker class is a straight powercreep to this new class, how ironic. Everything are the same but with lower Str cap and less Con gain.
Regardless of promotion type, Ross is still slow without statboosters or RNG abuse. Since growth rates never change, don't expect Ross to be alot faster as a hero than a warrior just because what you see in the Spd differences between the typical enemy heroes and warriors.
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Amelia: She starts off as the FE8 version of Wendy (Gwendolyn), extremely weak bases that does little to no damage to most enemies until some heavy babysitting. If it wasn't for the tower of Valni, I would never have trained Amelia at all, even recruiting her is difficult as your units can "accidentally" kill her.
General: The fastest general you will ever see, with low mixed defenses though (Wendy?). Low defenses don't really matter much as generals have Great Shield, a skill that blocks all damage, Amelia can be deceptively bulky. Still, low movement.
Paladin: Becomes a higher Con Isadora, can't wield axe because FE8 paladins somehow don't know how to use them. High movement with rescue tactics is appreciated if you don't want to use her as a combat unit.
Great Knight: This is for those who are not sure whether they like better combat or better movement. A great knight's performance is right in the middle of Paladin or General. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Super Recruit: With ranged weapons like javelins or spear, Amelia can now easily fight like any swordmaster, but with longer reach. She can now dodge and crit like them without being locked to close combat. Just make sure she doesn't wield any heavy lances because her Con for this class is ridiculously low.
Common misconception: Most "FE8 guides" give the impression that Amelia has higher combat speed as a paladin than a general, which is NOT true. Regardless of promotion, Amelia's growth rates NEVER change. In fact, Amelia as a General actually has a higher effective speed than a Paladin given the promotional gains to wield heavy lances. It is still fair to say that her initial promotion as a cavalier is much better than a knight over various situations in the game.
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Ewan: The boy with the most promotional paths. It's somehow easier to train him due to his 1-2 range, but given his late recruitment, all the trainees are still equally troublesome to train.
Sage: Your typical anima magic unit that is able to use light magic. Great overall due to the abundance of enemies with dark magic.
Mage Knight: A sage with lower offenses but with slightly higher movement and Con. Anima-locked though, for maps with lots of monsters wielding dark magic, try not to use Ewan as a mage knight as he will be faced with weapon disadvantage the entire chapter.
Druid: Strangely enough, Ewan as a druid is more powerful than a sage due to the promotional gains and caps, except for using the sacred twin, where Ivaldi (Sage) is MUCH better than Gleipnir (Druid) in ALL situations. Well, he will lose the ability to use anima once converted into a shaman, only to relearn it after his 2nd promotion. Prepare for some weapon grinding if you want to focus on Anima as a druid.
Summoner: A "low-risk" druid that comes with lower offenses. If trapped in a situation where you have no way of escape and an enemy will attack you no matter what, the summon can be the perfect bait (A.I. priority) to save you from replaying an entire chapter. However, don't expect too much from a summoner Ewan to perform that well in combat.
Super Pupil: An archsage who forgot how to use staves. This is the all-out offense magic unit proficient with every magic type, except that you still get a single S rank, so be careful with what you are focusing on.
This is the only multi-promotional path that doesn't have a obvious choice unless the player has an objective in mind. For example, if I need another healer, a Super Pupil will definitely not be my first choice with the absence of staves.

[@MYAceb]

Ewan, the almost Athos reborn.

[@lpfan4491]

kid athos

[@grenadas12]

Hahaha

[@butteredsalmonella]

If you utilize the Enemy Control Glitch and Gorgon Eggs, every Sage in this game can be an Athos.

[@nitorg9854]

The way it ended, the trainees dodging the bosses' attacks and then amelia's crit to end it was perfect.

[@shinobix4925]

In my head cannon all three of them become great friends and go on adventures together when they're older

[@buttermink2153]

Have you seen Ewan and Amelia's supports? That A tier made my heart melt.

[@shinobix4925]

@@buttermink2153 bro I've read all their supports up to A-tier. I'm not the biggest fan of Ewan but he was the one I chose to get A-tier with Amelia purely because the idea of those two going on adventures together long after the war was too epic to not let happen, in my head canon Ross joins them somewhere along the way after perfecting his training. I made sure this would happen by getting all 3 of them to at least be B-tier support level with each other

[@elecmanrobotmaster1702]

Who would win? An army of dragons and the demon King vs Three bois

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

Sorry to break it but amelia is a gurl

[@lpfan4491]

amelia:*cri*

[@nubiedubie1651]

@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast gril you mean

[@joshuaarceo9938]

Who would win? Army of the unread dragons or child soldiers.

[@mochiyoshi]

Ending it off with an Amelia crit what a journey

[@bubblebeampiplup8132]

Why Amelia is good in General II: Vidofnir Boogaloo

[@airielhaikal696]

nah a garm on general especially amelia is a lot better

[@windmage0168]

I love the attack animations for the trainees.

[@lisasemarron5413]

If this game ever gets remade I wpuld love to see the trainees with high growths or come on give them more weapons when there super trainees or better caps

[@lpfan4491]

or just better bases for amelia lol. she is almost unusable

[@lisasemarron5413]

@@lpfan4491 Tbfh in thw hardest mode Amelia can still fight the enemies in her chaper and get to level 10 like that . the soldiers are that weak and you can bait the merc. Ewan is a difficult one . but yeah raise them bases

[@lpfan4491]

it is really hard to bait them without killing them on your already strong units tho. and all amelia has is javelins. while ewan is technicly worse,he at least has firemagic which is more realiable

[@lisasemarron5413]

@@lpfan4491 I ironically did that for both in there start up chapters and amelia is fairly easy to at least get to level 8 with out fighting the mercs, it does feel like a small waste bit if you are just playing casual its fine . Ewan is slightly harder due to the morgals and you need work fast and get someone to block the wolf's . from its just pot shots

[@centphilipjumawan4560]

With her stat caps, Super Amelia's basically a Swordmaster but uses a lance.

[@tdimensional6733]

Ewan -drinks- spams -a quart- 20 uses of NOS (feratu) energy (stealing) -drink- dark spell while Amelia and Ross sit on the sidelines cheering him on, only to watch him -pass out- break the tome

[@Luoru6702]

Wtf

[@amitchauhan8708]

For the Ladgou Ruins, even with Vidofnir, Amelia would still be able to double the dracozombies given their ridiculously low speed. That, and Vidofnir's Mt would produce a higher damage output; it's exactly like comparing the Garm to the Dragon axe.

[@thesiaoz]

Both Vidofnir and Dragonspear does the same exact damage to the dracozombies due to the calculations used. Dragonspear ends up better because the +5Def is pointless against enemies who IGNORES them. Lighter Wt means higher avoid too.

[@amitchauhan8708]

I've a hunch telling me you're right about this, but can you please remind me? What were the calculations for their damage output?

[@thesiaoz]

@@amitchauhan8708 It's already in the video.. 15x2 = 10x3.

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

I had a mini panic attack when you sent Ewan in there; I forgot what Nosferatu is meant to do haha. It’s been too long

[@jen1447]

I liked more the trainee models that most models from the game & animations

[@dudhhrmcdudhhr6071]

the new classes for fe8 have new sprites with smoother animation.

[@afigurefromhell387]

Ewan being able to have all tomes used? I don’t care I’m having that.

[@relatablecancer9899]

Honestly, because I didn't play this game, I thought super trainees whole point was that they could STILL reclass, meaning infinite levels. To max out then whatever class line you actually wanted to head onto. Guess not if they can reach lvl 20 and stay the same.

[@kbfaqih9055]

I thought there hyper trainer class

[@ZeroRanger423]

So, something I recently learned is that the full rhyme is "Jack of All Trades, Master of None, but Infinitely Better than Master of One."

[@LeonArgent]

The fake continuations to old sayings that a dude posted in reddit and got spread? Yeah...

[@shinobix4925]

That sentence completely changes the meaning of the idiom, how the hell would that be the original

[@candlestickcaleb2806]

I have always been disappointed by the super trainee animations tbh. Like I feel as if they shouldn’t have their original animations as it just makes them seem.... incompetent and untrained. When they aren’t. Take Ewan for example, he can have some versatile offensive magic with good stats. “BUt ImmA sTuMbLe” Then again, I honestly can’t think of why they would change it to, and I can understand why they would want to make a entirely unique animation for three units that aren’t the main lord

[@thesiaoz]

Hawkeye and Lloyd would like to know your location.

[@candlestickcaleb2806]

thesiaoz Fair point

[@lpfan4491]

i think only ewan should be changed slightly. amelia is fine with looking clumsy,canocly the generalarmor is too heavy for her and thus makes her almost fall over(fire emblem heroes quote),so she is not really that strong. and the animation ross has is amazing for his critanimation if nothing else

[@zalandercalander]

Well, custom animations are cool.

[@Carnaj90]

I hate how they did Ross's super journeyman dirty. He has 4 less str, and 5 less con, with only 1 more resistance.

[@butteredsalmonella]

Journeyman³ stat caps suck. Just go Beserker route honestly. Both have +15 crit anyways Recruit³ is the middle-ground for me. 23 Str cap is horrible but 29 Speed and 30 Skill feels like she's purely designed to be a Lance Swordmaster or a Halberdier from the Tellius Series. Incredibly unique and only rivaled by Paladin because of the movement speed. Definitely recommend. Pupil³ stat caps are incredible (only rivaled by Female Sage) and control of the full Magic trinity is a great boon as well, lack of staves is annoying but other than the fact that he can promote to 4 other classes makes him really really versatile. Through the use of the enemy control glitch, you can teach a Sage Ewan (or Sage Moulder/Artur/Lute/Saleh. That's a lot of Archsages.) Dark Magic and technically they can also wield the whole Magic trinity. I consider the control glitch a grey area because, well, you're not supposed to play the game this way, lol. For the longest of time, I always considered Pupil³ an afterthought because of his lack of staves, the enemy control glitch and other options and ignored his incredible stat caps. In the same way, Dark Magic Bishops are incredible, Moulder, Riev, Artur and Natasha just blasts through Lagdou Ruins with Crimson Eyes and Riev definitely should've been a Dark Magic wielding Bishop.

[@gamermanzeake]

That troublesome moment, is why one/two range is preferable. Soften up the dracos allowing them to attack several units at range while being countered. Then finish them off with Dragon weapons. I remember years ago wanting to make a team of just three magic users to take on Lagdou Ruins. It worked, but man was it slow. Even if all three had been Bishops, it's still annoying. Some folks are okay with slow, some are all about low turn count. I just don't want to spend more time than necessary to play the games I enjoy. A nice middle ground for me.

[@rainbow-rp1gr]

eres genial, sigue así

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

Why not use both?

[@aezychie409]

Ewan ❤️💕💞

[@L0V3V4MP1R3]

Why compare Excalibur--Nosferatu instead of Luna--Nosferatu?

[@amitchauhan8708]

Excalibur has a far higher damage output and accuracy than Luna against monsters. Against the Demon King, a maxed stat Ewan could only single attack with 29 damage with a 62% chance of hitting, whereas Excalibur can double attack at a total of 48 damage. Also, Excalibur has a +5 speed bonus.

[@Kyara7]

@Father Both Luna and Excalibur have the exact same crit rate, and Excalibur is effective against monsters You can think of Luna's might as the opponent's res, since if Luna had the might of the opponents res, it would end up negating the opponents res. Formortiis res: 26+15 with Demon Light=41 might with Luna Excalibur might: 18x3 with weapon effectiveness=54 might with Excalibur Not only is Excalibur stronger, but it also gives a +5 speed buff, allowing for Ewan to double Formortiis. Excalibur is much better.

[@leox5942]

Ewan > every shaman in fire emblem

[@ZeroRanger423]

Canas's Luna disagrees with you. A lot.

[@jonathanzubia5132]

@@ZeroRanger423 canas on the fire dragon though! Fucking beast!

[@verytired.5456]

Mmmmm canas..

[@verytired.5456]

leox knight 500 I think canad is a bit better tbh.

[@redwizard9463]

Knoll>>Ewan

[@Tis-I]

Is Ewan really able to use dark and light magic as a trainee? Or are those hacks? No hate if they are hacks, I know some guy has been giving you trouble about that

[@thesiaoz]

The funny thing is that he didn't really give me any trouble, but made a fool out of himself not knowing how to use google. I mean, just take a few minutes and look it up, you will know Ewan is able to.

[@Tis-I]

@@thesiaoz huh, neat

[@Tis-I]

I usually just turn Ewan into a shaman, because shamans are cool

[@kennethguthrie7196]

@@Tis-I my favourite magic users from favourites to least favourites: 1. Bishop 2. Valkyrie (FE7 version and lower) 3. Druid 4. Sage 5. Mage Knight 6. Valkyrie (FE8 version and on) Bishops are like the swordmasters of the magic world. Sure, they are incredibly frail, but look at that powerful magic and that high critical hit rate. What's not to love? Not to mention how their magic is constantly at an advantage to things like dragons, manaketes, and monsters. Bishops are broken as fuck, and if Ewan could promote into a light magic class, I would do it in a heartbeat. I LOVE the anima magic-wielding valkyries. People tend to hate on Cecilia, but she is my favourite magic user to use in FE6, as well as Priscilla in FE7. I know that it's more logical for what were essentially healers to go on to use light magic, but they don't have the same benefits that bishops have. So, without those benefits, they should be allowed to use a more powerful magic. Druids will always hold a very, very special place in my heart, because dark magic has always been my favourite form of magic. It's just too bad that all of the power is in the tomes themselves and not in the characters, like the bishops. Bishops can use any tome they want and will have a high crit rate regardless. Druids have to rely on specific tomes to get the outcome that they want. I like sages better than mage knights. I don't know why, don't ask why. Perhaps it's just pure nostalgia, because the first games that I played didn't have mage knights. Sages don't really have anything super special going for themselves. They are like the valkyries (a bit more powerful than them), but without horses. But give me a 20/20 Hugh in FE6 and I am on board. Mage knights, as I have already mentioned, I don't like too much because they are, essentially, just replacing valkyries who used to use anima magic but now have been relegated to pure light magic. Yawn. Light-magic wielding valkyries suck. They have the weakest magic in the game without any of the bonuses that bishops enjoy. Why bother? Just fancy healers on horses.

[@Tis-I]

@@kennethguthrie7196 I didn't know that bishops had the high crit rate. You learn something new everyday. Also, I freaking love valkyries and druids. Dark magic all the way.

[@user-fz8de4dw8v]

Wait how are they still trainees

[@gabrielclamens3151]

Maybe Vidofnir would be better ! and why only one weapon XD ?

[@thesiaoz]

The reason for 1 weapon so I don't conveniently let Ewan solo the whole map when I have to use all of them.

[@gabrielclamens3151]

@@thesiaoz I see !

[@nubiedubie1651]

def isnt worth it i gyess