Federal Solid Core (Syntech) Dangerous Animal Ballistic Test - 9mm+P VS .40 S&W VS .45 ACP+P

[@GunSam]

Okay, so over the past couple of years I have had a dozen or so comments from people 'educating' me about how I should never use cast lead bullets in my Glock 41, and in this video that theme has been picking up, in the form of "you shouldn't use THIS ammo in a Glock because it's cast lead", so I thought I would clear this all up. The common comment is how Glock pistols can't use lead bullets because Glocks use polygonal rifling and...no real reason given by people as to why I shouldn't other than "it's bad". Before I give the main reason why this ammo is really fine to shoot in this Glock pistol, I first want to mention that Glock pistols in .45 caliber use an octagonal rifling similar in design to the smaller caliber polygonal. It's essentially the same design, but the slight change in design actually makes them fine to shoot lead bullets. This is the first reason lead bullets are fine to shoot. Next reason this ammo is fine in this pistol is because this ammo is hard cast, which is technically in industry terms, not 'lead'. Hard cast bullets are NOT 'lead' bullets. Yes, they are made by casting mostly lead, but cast lead bullets are generally a low level alloy of mostly lead with and some other metals like tin added and have a Brinell hardness of around 5-10 hardness. Hard cast bullets have more percentage of other metals than lead and make them have a Brinell hardness of typically 15-20 hardness. They are at a hardness that leaves very little leading to lead up a polygonal rifled barrel - IF this Glock used a traditional polygonal rifled barrel. Now the main reason this ammo is fine to shoot - This ammo is a variation of the Federal Syntech ammo, it even says Syntech technology on the box. Syntech is fully coated to prevent leading and as stated by Federal, safe for Glock barrels. You can even see in my bullet closeups that DUH, that coating is still on the bullets. I have even had people tell me that the reason I got 777 FPS instead of 1,000 FPS because the Glock barrel made it this way. I'm sure that low recoil is because of the Glock barrel right? Also, it must have been magic that when I tested the Underwood .45 ACP+P 255 gr coated cast ammo rated at 925 FPS, that I averaged 928 FPS in this same pistol with this same barrel. I am not the smartest gun guy out there, but at least I have some common sense.

[@alanlerner2354]

Sam some people just love to have all the answers. Common sense is not learned and I firmly believe it can trump “intelligence “. Bravo, Sam. Keep ‘em coming!

[@mbell7860]

Started loading cast lead in Glocks in 1990. Still have the guns and all my fingers and toes. The "no lead" Glock rule is a myth and polygonal rifling has been around long before Glock without any dangers . Extremely impressed with your .40 cal. results

[@Redsaber98]

It's hard to find a bad round in .40. great video. Keep up the work.

[@JohnTreVestal]

Best tests on the internet, and he's humble.

[@KettleMetal588]

Great test! I’ve always wondered about the performance of hard cast .40. Everyone recommends 10mm as a woods gun and craps on the .40, but this basically confirms what I thought. The bad guy/critter won’t be able to tell much difference, and police trade in .40s are cheaper than 10mms.

[@alfasierra254]

I went to my local gun store yesterday and got a Taurus G2. I've wanted one since I started watching your videos. Keep up with the good informative and entertaining content.

[@mikethefarrier]

The best "factory" 45 acp load for dangerous game (that I have tried) is the Speer Lawman 200 grain +P TMJ. Its a flat point fmj and easily gets 30 inches of penetration

[@balancedfordaylight1]

Not to mention it comes in reasonably priced 50 round boxes

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Ever tried Underwood's cherry coated 255 +P?

[@tjtrost1550]

@@exothermal.sprocketI have and it some sturdy stuff.

[@tjtrost1550]

@@exothermal.sprockethe did about 4 years ago.

[@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329]

@@exothermal.sprocket Ya try getting that to cycle reliably in a semi auto.

[@Cr0wmagnum]

I'd give someone a call about that .45 and see what is up with that? Can't really argue with that .40 wow! The .40 really got me reconsidering it. Thinking about a S&W 610 now.

[@terrybarnes0712]

Great video Sam I was shocked to see how low Velocity on the 45 ACP But glad to see the others did good

[@nwyetiphotography]

Excellent video Sam! I'll have to try these out of my 40s. I use Hornady Critical Duty 175 gr hp in my 3 inch and Federal HST 165 gr in my 4 1/2 inch for black bear/ mountain lion protection. But our Oregon bears and lions are pretty skittish around humans so you're more likely going to have protection against drug warlords and meth lab operators whom often use national forests for their illegal activities! Merry Christmas and I hope you're feeling better!

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Been waiting for someone to do a review of these, I was surprised federal decided to make a hardcast 9mm. something is up with that 45 ammo for sure, i wouldn't want to carry those in the woods with velocities like that!

[@PassivePortfolios]

This video is all very interesting but how much better are these loads compared to plain old FMJ ammo? And if so, is the additional cost worth it?

[@upperroomtoo]

I think the 45 bullet was not sealing on the octagonal rifling of the Glock. If you look at the rifling marks on the 9mm and .40 you see the bullet sealed in the barrel. The 45 shows no rifling marks at all. Test that in a regular 1911 platform.

[@turbo-bike7999]

I’ve seen other test which show the octagonal rifling actually slows some bullets above .400. The example was Glock 21 using OEM Glock barrel vs Lone Wolf barrel. LW barrel was faster.

[@cookie-np6ve]

you and paul harrells videos have both been very helpful with ballistics tests especially when testing revolver and pistol cartridges, if i ever want to find a caliber test your one of the first channels i check, much appreciation for all of the content you produce.

[@louieHuelsman]

Great video n informative again so I thank you GS!!!

[@scottroder5516]

Another great video Sam. Thanks

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

I swear companies purposely download 45 ACP.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

why do ammo companies insist on sandbagging 45 ACP? they load them weaker and weaker over time, it isn't the pressure because their numbers are well inside the performance envelope.

[@craigcook1571]

Liability, liability and liability. They have done the same with 10mm

[@mayorhaggar1275]

Because the 1911 doesn't have a fully supported chamber, and there are too many 1911's out there.

[@876mpr]

@@mayorhaggar12751911’s do have fully supported chambers and are frequently chambered in much higher pressure rounds.

[@marktwain2053]

​@@mayorhaggar1275 That still doesn't answer the question of why they now download them to what is much like Cowboy Action Loads in the .45 Colt. The original government load was no slouch, and that unsupported case was never a problem.

[@ajm2872]

Factory ammo should be loaded to near max SAAMI pressures as the standard. Anything less should be clearly labeled as "REDUCED PRESSURE". Don't make me go to boutique ammo manufacturers just to get full-power ammo.

[@ronolson2024]

I shot Fiochi 40 S&W 170 gr. ammo rated at 1020 FPS out of my Glock 20 with a 5 inch threaded KKM barrel and every other round was a Federal 10mm 180 gr. rated at 1200 FPS. There was a HUGE difference in blast & recoil. The 40 shot like a 9mm out of my Glock 20 where the 10mm had some real punch. When 10mm is properly loaded, comparing a 10 mm to a 40 S&W is like comparing a 40 S&W to a 9mm. I'm pretty sure if you had tested a fully loaded 10mm hard cast Buffalo Bore or Underwood the bullet would have gone right through all your gelatin blocks, beating the 40 by a substantial margin.

[@timrobinson6573]

Great test. Have you ever tested the Syntech Hollow Points that segment into three pieces and the base?

[@GunSam]

Not yet

[@debblooth3490]

H.R. Funk did a review on those , way lower than advertised velocity ..

[@GunSam]

@@debblooth3490 I think I saw that one recently.

[@timrobinson6573]

​​@@debblooth3490 I couldn't find HR Funks video but I found Tools&Targets test the 9mm version of it. 18 inches of penetration for the base and 8-9 inches for the 3 segments were his results. His velocity was 1089 fps.

[@Murray-wj7uc]

One reviewer..,calls his tests the jelly contraption, he pulls no punches, he flat out said they are garbage!

[@murrayjimm]

Informative review and analysis of those 3 cartridges. I hope your viewers are voting for you in the Gundie awards That has daily voting until next Tuesday.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. And like I said before, I have no idea what that is.

[@triggerbarPhD]

Thank you for the testing. I have done some velocity test with the 10 mm out of three different barrel lines. All three were disappointment from 3.8 inch to 6 inches. One thing that I have seen and then confirmed in an interview where lucky gunner talked to federal, was that federal does not believe velocity matters in a handgun. This influences them to not push their loads very hot. I don’t believe what they are saying, but that’s what they said.

[@nadineherrell5426]

Good show! I learned a lot. Good demonstration of the 3 calibers. Thanks Michael Herrell

[@davidtolbert6204]

Great test! Thank you for the simple nuts and bolts analogies. I like the videos I have seen so far. I am going to blame you when I buy a 327 Federal lol.

[@vincentparker2413]

So funny you just put this up. I just ordered the 9&40 literally 5 minutes ago lol. Already have the 10&45. Quick question. Can 45 gap be shot out of the Ruger RedHawks 45lc/45acp?

[@GunSam]

@@vincentparker2413 I've shot .45 GAP from my S&W Governor. Other than them not clicking in quite as tight in the moon clip, they shot fine.

[@bobcatforever3485]

GS. Great ammo review. Thanks for sharing and take care.

[@timothygilmore3053]

Great video. When I go hiking in the woods. I prefer my 357 magnum loaded with soft points. But not everyone has options on their firearm. Some people just have one gun and that's what they got. And parks, rivers, and woods have dangerous 4 legged critters.

[@chemex9968]

thank you i highly appreciate this

[@roderick2315]

I always enjoy your videos and testing skills, Merry Christmas :)

[@stevenhigby3512]

I have to hand Guns in 40SW and love them both. I have never seen 40SW lack in power.

[@duaneridings6591]

Great video Sam

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I was honestly surprised by the 40 and the 9 in this one. I still think the best you can get for a 9 is the underwood 124 +p flat nose fmj

[@GunSam]

I have tested that before, and will be again soon.

[@garrettschienschang7898]

@ thanks. I’m eager to see how they stack up

[@anthonyguidas2012]

That 9mm from a PCC could be a decent game round. But that 45 was disappointing.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

11:35 The 9mm has 3 common bullet weights too 115,124, and 147 grain JHP-and can be had in +p loadings for all 3, adjusting from training to self defense

[@stansdds]

The 45 ACP +P load was very disappointing. I'd say it was more like 45 ACP -P. I'm thinking the Syntech line uses a swaged lead bullet, I can't see a major manufacturer taking the time required to cast and size bullets.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The velocity was more like standard pressure loads than +P.

[@stansdds]

@@PassivePortfolios I don't think it was even standard pressure velocity.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Fortah for the win as usual! I'd actually email or call Federal about the .45 and send it back, someone set the charge wrong before running that lot. 40 is the best duty sized round for shooting through cars and stuff, and really if everyone goes to comped guns from factory, maybe none reciprocating red dot mounts...then .30 super carry might actually be ideal

[@kennethferguson4283]

My 357 Sig loaded with the Sellier & Bellot 140 gr FNFMJ round has a velocity of 1350 fps and 560 ft. lbs. of energy. Just sayin.

[@msb6630]

You are not the first KZbin tester of late to find Federal ammo very lacking in power and velocity performance. Their quality control must really suck these days; and no, I don't work for a competing ammo maker.)

[@ggrandcz]

There is a reason why 124gr is the standard bullet weight for 9mm. Also, based on my testing, 124gr. properly loaded will give the greatest penetration. 147gr is too long to have decent case space for hot loads.

[@erichavedisian2655]

Interesting vid, and thank you Sam, as usual. Question for Sam or anyone so inclined - when running hot +p ammo in a semiauto, do you recommend using a heavier recoil spring?

[@GunSam]

Thanks. While it's not my area of expertise, my experience says It's not typical to need a heavier recoil spring unless it's really really hotter ammo than normal, and generally not needed for lesser calibers like 9mm. Stuff like .45 ACP+P 255 gr ammo or .45 Super, you might need to go up in spring weight depending on the firearm. With .40 S&W it might be needed depending on the load or if you plan to shoot a lot of them. I can't see a situation where a 9mm would really need more than the typical 17 lb ones.

[@The3OfSwords]

They forgot to plus P that 45auto. Sad to see that from federal.

[@Messier87_M87]

You should send this video to them in an email. It’s totally unacceptable and false advertisement.

[@Kilda-c3s]

Xmas came early. Thanks, Sam.😅

[@jackbauer9077]

Thanks for doing this I have bought this ammo in all 3 for a hiking round but never carried it, either went 357 or 9mm Buffalo bore hard cast

[@sizedjoker2353]

I was pumped about the 45 until I seen the speed that's a big upset for sure.

[@markdstump]

.40 has been my favorite rimless round since the mid 90s. But, I sold my USP Compact stainless steel in .40 And replaced it with the CZ Shadow 2 Compact in 9mm.

[@mtscott1]

Wow, this is a coincidence. I ordered some 9mm online and it showed up today.

[@gregentwistle5105]

And that is why I still carry my G27 EDC, and also in the woods carry hardcast solids.

[@mattspriggs5945]

Just to give a bit of confirmation: I chrono'd this 45 load out of a Glock 21, 30 and a 5" Kimber and saw numbers below 800 fps - definitely not what I was paying for and I'm done with Federal. Might as well stick with Winchester white box!

[@PassivePortfolios]

230 grain FMJ would be just as effective but much cheaper.

[@mattspriggs5945]

@PassivePortfolios exactly. I've seen velocities close to 900 fps out of a 5" with said ammo and it works every time.

[@steveflo]

Great video

[@tahertz8544]

You should try that M-carbo 15% reduce power recoil spring (SS rod optional). & Houge rubber grip. It has brought my LCP 380 up to par. It really fixes the flaws for cheap.

[@Fudmottin]

I guess if you don't have a revolver loaded with Kieth style hard cast bullets, this stuff would do fairly well. Very disappointed with the 45 as you are. You might as well just get the cheap ball ammo in that caliber.

[@charliecochran3035]

Animal protection has turned into a bigger issue in my mind. We have multiple black bears lurking and getting into things, like the chicken coop. I also just got interested in car camping and trout fishing in Grizz territory. I did a 6 day wilderness pack boat trip in September out there and carried my XD40 service model with 200 grain hard cast by Doubletap. For home I have plenty of options and black bears aren't usually all that frightening. I won't be packing a 12ga with slugs while fishing or hiking in Mt though. I also don't want to upsize since I have a lot of 40 s&w. So...what I want is for you to redo all of your .40 tests with the big animal setup. I'm sure you'll get right on that😊

[@Shadow__133]

Where I live, the issue is mostly teenager apes 🦍

[@alfontana6242]

Thanks for your video. Please contact Federal they need to know their 45+P does not even come close to their specifications

[@julesbower762]

solid cast only good at poking holes better be a good shot

[@Master-AGN]

They’re not downloading the fudd round for the arthritic fudd wrists?

[@MrAvidOutdoorsman]

Wonder what those bullets would do in your simulation gel at 50 -75 yrds

[@frankhinkle5772]

Thanks, that will save us from wasting our time and money in the Syntech. I'll stick to .357 Magnum semi jacketed soft point.

[@bjdog42]

Garrett cartridges did a lot of penetration testing of the 45/70 & 44 mag & found that increased velocity doesn't always mean increased penetration. I may not care for the 40 but the result here says it's worth looking at for animal defense. Of course the 10mm has more options but you only need one that works.

[@GunSam]

I have found that to be the case as well. Often times more velocity means more resistance or deformation and thus less penetration. If you can maximize the power to penetrate deep, and have it just right to where the bullet does not deform, you will maximize penetration. I have had several people tell me that the 10mm version would go feet further. I would guess maybe a couple inches more than the .40 S&W.

[@bjdog42]

@GunSam I make no bones about preferring the 10mm over the 40 but an extra 200fps isn't going to give feet more. But then I don't give mystical powers to any pistol round. Thanks for your comment.

[@David-h7o7j]

The .40 200 grain has a section density of .179. The 147 grain 9mm is .167, and the 240 grain .45 acp is .169. All the big and dangerous game hunters going back over 100 years preach of a .200 or higher sectional density, so the .40 cal in this test is the closest to that.

[@Hiking_chef]

I don’t trust federal numbers anymore. The only federal rounds I trust are the .22lr punch and old school .40 hydra shock

[@frankbrowning328]

You're gonna make the 9mm fan boys upset with this one. It does well but the 40 S&W is a far better choice when you need deep penetration especially when it must 1st encounter barriers such as bone, wood, drywall, etc. The 9mm is loaded at +P with a heavy for caliber bullet and the 40 S&W is at standard pressure carrying a heavy for caliber bullet and look at the results. This standard pressure 40 load is more powerful than many of the current 10mm loads. Ammo companies PLEASE load the 10mm to its potential. Federal PLEASE fix your solid core Syntech 45 ACP load

[@GunSam]

No worries. The 9mm fan boys will tell you that you will miss a .40 S&W follow-up shot from 'brutal' recoil, so the .40 S&W penetration is irrelevant, at least you hit the target with the 9mm to get any penetration, 9mm wins.

[@Drmcclung]

I'm by no means a 9mm fanboi, but I still don't see any need to go out and buy a .40 that I don't already own. To me that's where we run into the law of diminishing returns, when you factor in the extra cost of .40 ammo and the pistol. 20, 30, 40 extra cents a round, it's a considerable expense in the long run. By that logic I just can't justify jumping on the .40 bandwagon. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to piss on 40

[@PassivePortfolios]

40 S&W kicks more but has a heavier bullet. All depends on which caliber you have and can shoot fast and accurately.

[@frankbrowning328]

@@GunSam HA HA HA HA! I hope they never have to test their theories. In the real world (Yes in the past I've carried a gun for a living for many years) Speed differences of 10ths of a second between shots mean absolutely nothing. Even a full second between shots makes very little difference. Where it does make a difference is all of the explaining to the police later. We are all responsible for every time we pull the trigger and for the path of each projectile.

[@williamsoutherland9087]

Can you shoot hardcast through a polygonal rifled barrel, like the one in the Glock? I feel like there might be a problem in there somewhere.

[@GunSam]

Yes. The .45 caliber or actually an octagonal version of polygonal style. Not an issue at all.

[@williamsoutherland9087]

I thought maybe a failure to seal around the projectile might explain the reduction in velocity for the 45 ACP. In any event, great content as always Sam.

[@GunSam]

@@williamsoutherland9087 Nah, there's no way a 223 FPS velocity loss could happen from that. Underwood makes sort of a similar version, 255 gr coated hard cast rated at 925 FPS. I used this same stock Glock barrel and averaged 928 FPS. I have shot all sorts of ammo like this and it's generally right at rated velocity. No doubt this was underloaded ammo.

[@44hawk28]

It clearly appears that that 45 was mislabeled as plus p. You might want to contact the manufacturer and see if they put the wrong Lot number into that box 255 grain hardcast Keith Style projectiles into a 45 ACP and cycle it in a government model and still get almost 1,100 ft per second. That's a stout round

[@salvatoresalernatano5964]

.40 never ever disappoints!! I don’t get why people shit on it constantly! After all these videos and proof of its capabilities ! Great job

[@jamesmarkov9570]

Well the Glock barrel has tests across KZbin showing slightly lower velocity than aftermarket tighter traditional rifled barrels. It’s about 5% or so. Apparently, 40 caliber Glock barrels and 9mm are slightly higher velocity than aftermarket, the larger .45 caliber barrel from Glock isn’t.

[@GunSam]

I tested Federal Punch .45 ACP 230 gr JHP two times in the past. One time with the 5.3" stock barrel and one time with a KKM traditionally rifled 5.3" barrel. The stock barrel averaged 876 FPS. The KKM barrel averaged 866 FPS. This is the typical results I see. Your assessment is quite backwards.

[@RichiesHouse]

Great now they make 45 Minus P

[@motorosso3349]

I think 40 S&W is a good choice. Too bad the .45 caliber ammo was a dud.

[@rangetime6779]

Glad the 40 S&W won the comparison. Don't understand why the 45 ACP was so erratic, Federal is top quality ammo.

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

40 cal. Again!

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊

[@exothermal.sprocket]

To be using a 5+ inches barrel and the stuff rated as "+p" and heavier than normal (240gr), box velocity at 1000....... but getting 800 or less? I've seen manufacturers mess up their claims by about 100 fps here and there, but goodness. I'd suspect a bad lot batch of that stuff, especially as bad as the deviation was. Be curious to buy a lot that's been loaded at least in the last several months and try it again.

[@graywind4326]

We have a winner.

[@someguy325es]

45 minus p

[@PassivePortfolios]

Might as use plain old 230 grain FMJ because it is cheaper and readily available.

[@someguy325es]

@@PassivePortfolios unfortunately round nose bullet don't do much tissue damage unless they tumble.

[@johndiblasi4803]

✅👍

[@journeyman378]

Seems like the powder load on the 45 was weak.

[@DinoNucci]

40 ftw imo tyvm kk ttyl

[@nokoolaid]

The 45 was sad. I think Federal needs to explain that. I mean, it's supposed to be +P.

[@chemex9968]

perhaps solid copper would penetrate more, aria ballistic engineering has a great lot of 45

[@kc0lif]

45 acp seemed kinda weak.

[@ratagris21]

No boogie sauce

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

im in bear country 10 mm is the least powerful round im using

[@turbo-bike7999]

Hard cast (LEAD) from a Glock polygonal barrel? Most KZbin Glock guy shooting hard cast (lead) bullets are using aftermarket barrels with better chamber support and traditional rifling.

[@GunSam]

The gen 4 .45 ACP Glocks use octagonal rifling. It's the same Glock style they use in the polygonal, but it's truly octagonal. Similar, but not exactly the same. Not sure why the question mark about hard cast though.

[@turbo-bike7999]

Glock states no hard cast (LEAD) bullets in their whatever rifled barrels.

[@ggrandcz]

@@turbo-bike7999 It is because lazy and stupid people do not clean bores. Whole Europe is using lead bullets in Glocks. You just need to clean bore more often and sometimes use slower burning powder (depends on lead hardness).

[@turbo-bike7999]

@@ggrandczHard cast doesn’t deform well as soft jacketed bullets do, which means the bullets don’t seal as well. A lack propelling gases leads to bullets which aren’t stabilized and low bullet velocity. Glocks used in Europe aren’t necessarily the same as what’s exported to the US. We are talking about Hard Cast bullets not metal jackets lead bullets or soft lead bullets.

[@ggrandcz]

@@turbo-bike7999 There is nothing soft on FMJ. And tested bullets have soft plastic coating. Glocks are the same everywhere. Fun fact - lead bullets uses less powder because they seal better than anything else. See reloading manuals ;)

[@mattpatterson9128]

That .45 is not Plus P, It is not even up to par with a Standard Pressure .45 load at 230 grains. I've noticed even since the early 2000's That many .45 loads were getting weaker and weaker. There is no way that 9 Mighty Mite will ever compare to .45 Ballistics, don't care what Propaganda is put out. I really like Double tap .45 ammo, comes in around 506 to 512 lbs. of muzzle energy. Federal really dropped the ball with this line of ammo, Will not buy any of that garbage ammo. Thanks for the video.

[@billywillis9305]

Can't find my comment anymore but was going to answer back! Gen 5 might be different but I know Gen 3&4 have 8 grooves instead of 6 and they are octagonal yes but still milled polygonal instead of the typical sharp lines! Just saying I researched it a lot and Glock still says no cast lead or regular lead bullets because of leading in the barrel!!!! Not trying to be a know it all bud just stating the fact is all! Hell call or email Glock I don't know?

[@GunSam]

I don't know if you commented before, this is all I see. I would agree, no cast lead bullets in a Glock. But that doesn't apply to this ammo. It's not cast lead, it's hard cast which is different. It is also Syntech technology, which again, is different than just cast lead. Not sure why you are commenting about this in this video.

[@billywillis9305]

Well most of the hard cast ammo is lead rounds don't know about this Syntech deal but as far as most other hard cast ammo even if mixed with Tin & Antimony whatever else there is a chance they could shatter a little bit and leave debris in the barrel and we all know that's really not good! Even Hickok​45 showed that before@@GunSam

[@billywillis9305]

I'm really not trying to be argumentative just discussing things is all! I like watching your videos I'm subscribed to your channel!

[@billywillis9305]

I also just thought about it would also depend on the mixture ratio right? Lead to Tin to Antimony amounts? Heck I really wish I knew too! I do know that for me 45 for two legged critters and will use my Mossberg 590 Shockwave for four legged critters! 👍

[@876mpr]

Federal should be ashamed of that .45 ACP load on multiple levels. A 200+ extreme spread shows a huge QC issue. This would be standard pressure, even if the average was the 885 high. The bullet is basically a RN and near useless for any serious field work.

[@williambaker1753]

Federal syntech are frangible bullets at least the core is I don't think these would be as good as hardcast especially with heavy bone animals

[@marktwain2053]

Those .45 +P are more like a -P.

[@tahertz8544]

Industry is failing 45acp (seems intentional) $$. This Czech group buying all are ammo co. Is more. Still like Federal overall personally

[@garysarratt1]

Can you please rephrase this?

[@tahertz8544]

@@garysarratt1 how should I do that for you.

[@KCBluesJams]

@@garysarratt1Federal,Speer,Remington ,CCI and some others were sold to a Czech ammunition company it’s very sad to what is happening to the USA 🇺🇸 in the name of capitalism 💵💵💵💵🤑we are also allowing the selling of our land and water rights to foreign companies and governments 👎 and it doesn’t seem to matter who is president let’s see if trump does anything about it 🤔

[@timrobinson6573]

​@@garysarratt1 The industry is failing in their production of 45 acp. It seems like it is being done intentionally to save money. The Czech company that bought up a bunch of our US ammunition manufacturers could be a reason why too. Personally, he still likes Federal overall.

[@GunSam]

Being sort of late to the game with classic firearms cartridge testing like .357 Magnum or .45 ACP, I am still trying to decipher if ammo companies are legitimately loading weaker than they used to, or if maybe they always were like this and people just never knew their true velocity other than what the box always said. Maybe i'm wrong, but I have the feeling that in the 70's and 80's, a lot of people's 'uncle Ray' (family firearm expert) probably didn't own a chronograph. As it's been said before, manufacturer rated velocity is often optimistic at best.

[@gleamtarrest6310]

Glock 41 is 45 acp. Glock 45 is 9mm.😮

[@ctsnider88]

That's too bad about the 45.

[@RoadTraveler]

Bump

[@RoadTraveler]

Algorithm

[@ArmedAndIndigenous]

This dude said .40 doesn't come in +P I am DEAD .45 ACP Glocks are made for 40 Super swaps.

[@michaellavaughnrobinson]

40 smith and wesson +p is not a recognized cartridge by any industry standard.

[@SDGlock23]

Your comment doesn't make sense. The .40 S&W isn't a +P rated cartridge and has nothing to do with .40 Super, which is a shortened and necked down .45 Win Mag.

[@ArmedAndIndigenous]

@@SDGlock23 buddy you can't comprehend two separate comments? I feel bad for you.

[@SDGlock23]

@@ArmedAndIndigenous punctuation is your friend, you should use it if you expect anyone to decipher what you're trying to say.

[@searlock93219321]

Wonderful shooting range. I could spend all day there, even if i wasn't shooting. I own a 9mm, no 40 or 45. I won't be shooting that ammo.