Feel MORE Bass - NEAR FIELD Subs vs BOSS

[@Clint3571]

I actually just finished an experiment with a combination of a boss and nearfield. I put a pair of 21's behind my back row in a vented enclosure, but part of the enclosure is actually the riser that the rear seats are on. This way you get the vibration below you, behind you, and some decent SPL. If you are going through the trouble of building a riser, why not use those cubic feet for a large, low tuned, seat shaker?

[@LifeofBliss]

Been experimenting with near field lately. Definitely like it, need to tune things up and dial it in. Had to put these 24s to use! 😉

[@Youthman]

24 inch Nearfield is an incredible experience. Doug and Charles both have 24” near field. It’s awesome!

[@mephInc]

Have dual 15" monolith thxs that I run essentially near field due to space limitations. It's fantastic when you actually feel like someone or something pushes you

[@jvonengeln]

great concise clip Michael!

[@Youthman]

Thanks Jonathan

[@Casey.S.]

Just experienced nearfield, along with running my front sub. What a game changer for movies. I heard about this concept from your channel first, so thanks!

[@Youthman]

That's fantastic Casey! I love NF subs. Wish I had the space to utilize them.

[@askmatt7283]

I recently added three subs to my setup in a near field experience and it has transformed my understanding of what immersion in a home theater can be. I will never go back.

[@Youthman]

It’s truly incredible Matt glad to hear you have added it to your set up

[@kovrcek]

I second that! Yesterday I installed NF and watched a few scenes. In Black Hawk Down I was literally sitting in the helicopter! It just sucks you into the movie. I was shocked! And it was just cheap 80W 6" sub from LG I had lying unused for years lol. Sadly nothing else is this narrow (less than 8") that fits behind my sofa (I can't move it much = multi purpose room). But it still rocks and can be really loud and tactile, sometimes even overpowering my main sub.

[@Geerladenlad]

What do you think about those butt kickers aka those transducers that you can mount to the underside of your chair and have a little amp that drives them?

[@jvonengeln]

Mechanical transducers I’ve not found to be as naturally feeling as mounting subwoofer drivers, but they can work excellent for the deep frequencies. Try using something like a Buttkicker to bring out the lowest frequencies below 30Hz - you can set a LPF using a minidsp to help shelf off the higher bass frequencies.

[@Ctripp2448]

Everytime I see or demo a nice theater room without a nearfield sub i die a little inside. Huge subs up front and rear still don’t have anywhere near the tactile or chest kick that nearfield does. It’s a absolute game changer. Night and day difference. I purposefully gave up a second row in my room just to have my nearfield sub.

[@jamiet74]

not everyone actually enjoys that much TR though.

[@danielbencomo6562]

In my case too much TR takes me out of the movie experience and makes me feel like I am in a simulator

[@Techie-B]

Sorry guys, I’m new to the whole NF concept but would something like a SVS PB-1000 Pro or SVS PB-2000 Pro behind the sofa also work? Unfortunately I don’t have a dedicated theater room (this would be in the living room) so space and money would be very limited. I guess these subs wouldn’t have the power to provide a cheap NF experience, would they? Thanks for insight guys.

[@shaneducholke364]

The SVS SB series would work better since they are sealed subs. Sealed it by far the best option for NF. That said, if you you only had 1 sub for a 3 seat couch, a ported sub is also a good option for feeling it across the couch as sealed really focuses it on the seat in front of you. You also do not want to have the sub placed any further away from the back of your seat than half the sub diameter, so an 18" subs should not be any further from your seat than 9" and preferably that should be the distance to the front of you backrest

[@Techie-B]

@@shaneducholke364 thanks for the reply. Since my main sub would be ported (SVS PB-3000), I don't think a sealed would be a good idea (something about different timings between sealed and ported for example). Your advice about ported might be a better option. I just thought I would ask before buying something that might not actually do anything.

[@shaneducholke364]

@@Techie-B you are correct not to mix sealed and porter if possible but near field is the one place that works. I have 3 18" Marty's for far field and 3 18" near field subs and you don't really hear those subs, but you sure as heck feel them. The couch being a few inches from the back of the couch is completely different than nothing in front of the sub, so while they are different the differences are less noticable. If you habe a MiniDSP, you can mix sealed and ported with a lot of effort, but it can provide your room with the best of both worlds and give you bass that is low but also tight

[@kovrcek]

It will definitely work perfectly. I know because just yesterday I installed 80W!! 6" cheap LG sub that I had lying around for years. It is very narrow so perfect to fit behind my sofa which is stuck to the wall basically (also don't have a dedicated room). I didn't expect much but man it doesn't only work, it rocks! As these guys say in the video, 7 subs in the room = 1 near-field. So you really don't need a ton of power. My Yamaha sub can shake the whole house, but this little "sub" is very much on par with the yamaha, sometimes even overpowers it as you basically sit in the bass-bubble. Yeah of course doesn't play that low as yami (15Hz), only like 25Hz, that's the biggest downside really, but I wouldn't be able to fit anything bigger behind the couch anyways. Also perfect for night watching. Even 20% power on my yamaha sub can wake up my wife (2nd floor is still shaking a little). Going lower with power makes the sub basically mute at listening position when you listen with low volume so no-go. But with NF sub I can have it cranked surprisingly high but it doesn't reach 2nd floor and my wife. It's perfect. And when you crank it up I get blurry vision lol. So go big sub only for low freq extension. Power is not an issue believe me (only maybe if you have thick heavy sofa, I don't). And because it's a small sub it's super snappy. I have also 2 cheap 100W bass shakers bolted directly into the sofa (not on the legs) and not even playing them at full power - it is quite enough massage for me. But still that NF sub can shake you sometimes more and in a different way. Also playing notes you never knew were there because the room is no longer an issue. Going with SVS in NF must be pure bass heaven, try it you won't be disappointed :D

[@Techie-B]

That's awesome @@kovrcek. Thanks for your input. Did you do any room correction with your AVR or have a mini DSP that you used to tune the NF sub? That would also be interesting to know. Sorry about all the questions. Like I said, I'm very new to the NF concept. Thanks in advance.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

I have a sealed SVS SB3000 up front. I've never tried two subs before. Will it work also putting a ported 12" behind me?

[@GurvanBHC7]

you will need to tweak with a Minidsp your sealed sub with a high pass filter, otherwise you will get cancelation because of the ported sub you want to add. It is not simple to match sealed and ported

[@jacoblynch9862]

Try this with my model with 13 put it directly behind my chair so far the most tactile and smoothest base response I have yet to have in my room tried multiple places in my room in a front corner out of corner turning towards the corner, no matter what I did it seemed like around 40 to 60 maybe 70 Hz was almost an audible Now the whole frequency band that I have set 80 to 20 because I run mine with maximum output all almost the exact same noise level cleared up the room problems because I think the sound is directly there at your ears not having a bounce from everywhere first

[@gabrieltechreviews8185]

The most powerful amazing slam compared to VNF comes from BossBack or HoverBack. I have dual PSA TV2112 21" monsters in VNF and they cannot compare to what my triple 12" gx1200 BossBack can do. Sure, if push them to insane levels I can get awesome TR too but when you have 3 drivers literally screwed to your sofa back, it's hard to go back ( or punish your ears with super loud spl levels lol ). They do make sound as well so is not not vibration And for the other part of the TR experience, I love Hovereze under my sofa platform in cone up configuration and double stacked tubes When it's all perfectly aligned, it is a jaw-dropping experience 😊

[@stingber]

I use 4x Super Cube 4000 from Deftech for near field. Sound Great! 😎👍

[@holdencommodore2200]

I have a nearfield PSA TV21IPAL, and it is AWESOME!!!! I can't go back to traditional sub placement again.

[@Youthman]

That’s awesome! Tom makes some killer subs.

[@morbus74]

Would you Youthman please make a video how to calibrate near field sub? Is there anything different compared to calibrating far field sub? I've just purchased 18" sub last weekend and i'd like to know/learn how to calibrate it properly

[@Youthman]

I would love to, however, I have never used a Nearfield sub. My room is too small to implement them.

[@Youthman]

That would be a great question to ask during Sunday night live though, because Jonathan and Ryan both have Nearfield subwoofers in their set up

[@morbus74]

@@Youthman so would you please make that question? 😉

[@morbus74]

@@Youthman Couldn't you fit even a small sub between your theater seats? On the other hand, that would quite pointless to test it with the small sub, because you have those huge JTR's behind the screen..

[@Youthman]

Zero room for a near field sub. When I recline my rear seats, the foot rest hit the back of the front seats.

[@frankvee]

Jonathan said: "If you don't want to worry about integrating far-field and near-field subs, the near field takes that out of the equation because it's not making any sound". kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKGXZmune5WtaJI I think he mispoke and meant to say, BOSS takes that out of the equation because it's not making any sound. Near-field does create sound, albeit at lower levels because of its proximity to the listener.

[@askmatt7283]

Currently all I am running are near field subs (no far field subs) and trust me I still hear it, feel it, breathe it, etc haha

[@frankvee]

@@askmatt7283 I was thinking of doing the same. Currently running full range on all 7 channels and Clark Synthesis Gold transducers. Will add nearfield subs next and possibly farfield if needed.

[@samhofman6459]

For near field should it be a sealed sub or are ported ok as well? I'm debating JTR RS2 vs 4000ulf.

[@Ctripp2448]

Both will work extremely well once dialed in properly

[@samhofman6459]

@@Ctripp2448 is there any advantage to the ported? Otherwise it would be nice to save the room with sealed as they take up less space. I'm also wondering if it would be better to have three separate RS1s than one RS2, but that would get pricey. If I have a row of 3 theater seats that are attached would the outside chairs still get good tactile feedback?

[@Ctripp2448]

@@samhofman6459 I have three seats and a jtr cap4000ulf which is ported. Ported just brings more tactile or violence ime than sealed. I have mine directly in middle of three seats so each chair gets some nice tactile response but the middle seat is definitely the best. So if u want each seat to be identical you will feed a driver right behind each seat

[@samhofman6459]

@@Ctripp2448 which version of the 4000ulf do you have (ULF-ST, ULF-TL, ULF-LP, or just the standard ULF)? Do you have theater seats? How close to the seats does the sub sit? Are you able to recline the seats fully?

[@Ctripp2448]

@@samhofman6459 Valencia Tuscany seats. Sofa table 4000. I have it as close as possible to seats without hitting the seat when reclining. My guess is 8-12 inches

[@nothingtoseehere93]

Its impossible to get the detail and sub 10hz without a hovereze. Just build one. You will barely need any subs because of how much bass there is. Mine goes down to literally 1hz

[@Youthman]

Tell that to JTR. All of their subs are tuned to 10Hz. My RS2’s are flat down to 5Hz in my room. I’m personally not a fan of boss, HoverBOSS and Hovereze as each demo I have experienced took me out of the experience.

[@jamiet74]

@@Youthman Agreed, insane levels of TR is NOT to everyone's liking, I have 3 x Seaton SubMersives with 1 being nearfield, I'm on a suspended floor and I get too much TR at times. I like a realistic amount, but too much takes me out of the movie

[@lawrence09151]

Hovereze