Ferruccio Busoni - Fantasia Contrappuntistica, BV 256 (John Ogdon)

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

19:31

[@yagiz885]

NOTE : Ogdon plays the passage at 26:36 for two times. At first, he plays the second version at 26:36 and then the first. Because of this, the score you see on the screen is not connected with the notes he plays for few bars. Sorry about this.

[@SisselOnline]

It's the second version first... Ogdon plays the NB part first, then back to the original version.

[@calebhu6383]

This is not what happens. Ogdon doesn't play a second version, he plays an optional extension which is two pages long. You seem to have completely missed it

[@yagiz885]

@@calebhu6383 I didn't know there was an optional extension, can you point out when he plays it? I appreciate the correction.

[@calebhu6383]

The most ferocious recording of this masterwork. Fuga III at 14:27 is one of the greatest fugues ever written.

[@imdarealani]

What about Petri? I think I prefer his recording to Ogdon.

[@imdarealani]

@LaDivinaFanatic I agree.

[@DeeCeeHaich]

What utter st*pidity and lack of underdtanding of music, letalone fugues, that fugue is absolutely misurable, so utterly terribly composed.

[@jessicaeskebk5945]

but then. what is THE greatest fugue?

[@musik350]

Marvellous! Only a pianist as obes as the unanimously well respected JOHN OGDEN (famous for recordings of pieces such as Busoni's PIANO CONCERTO and Kaikhorsu Sorbaji's OPUS CALVINISTICUM) could do justice to a piece as gorgeous and gigantic as this. I am in awe! Kind regards

[@yagiz885]

Yeah.

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

Farbklange

[@musik350]

@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji Pranav, where is the great piano repertoire?

[@notmusictheory74]

Calvinisticum

[@dzordzszs]

Kaikhorsu Sorbaji

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

The stretta was just 🔥🔥🔥 And how does he even pull off those octave jumps?

[@scriabinismydog2439]

EPIC

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

Indeed

[@peterrowan9955]

Pizza

[@sanjai_s]

Now I can know from whom Sorabji got influenced

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

Sorabji was influenced by a wide range of composers, from Bach to Scriabin

[@pjimenez08]

This is the inspiration for Opus Clavicembalisticum, particularly.

[@calebhu6383]

Busoni is to Sorabji as Brahms is to Reger

[@DeeCeeHaich]

Trash inspires more trash, not cleanup.

[@Arobamod]

there is also a strong Debussy influence on Sorabji

[@central9823]

声部の弾き分けはオグドンが1番素晴らしい

[@calebhu6383]

16:10, 26:36

[@foxfire7779]

Epic

[@takiohosoya4029]

Ogdon added a few measures in the coda. Herberman also did the same thing. Where is the phrase derived from? Sounds like the coda of the two-piano version.

[@foxfire7779]

It's actually from the two pf version ending

[@SisselOnline]

It is from the coda of 2 piano version indeed.

[@takiohosoya4029]

​@@SisselOnlineIn my initial comment, I already mentioned almost the same idea as yours. But as you noticed it is not the same phrase from two-piano version. Anyway, I'm interested in discovering who or what brought the idea of an additional coda. Would Petri, Stevenson, or Banowetz suggest this alternation? Or was it an invention by Ogdon himself? This is what I wanted to know. I don't know if he has played the two-piano version with someone else. Also, no one mentioned that at 19:41, Ogdon overdubbed an impossible octave trill in the left-hand part. As far as I know, Ogdon never inserted notes that were impossible for one pianist to play, even though cut-and-paste editing techniques had been used.

[@SisselOnline]

​@@takiohosoya4029 but this one is just that coda after the chords right? In 2 pianos version only 2 big chords while here original version 3, and Ogdon played 3 + the 2-pf coda, fair enough I think

[@AsrielKujo]

Ogdoneaon

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

Johann

[@joshscores3360]

@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji Octagon

[@collinm.4652]

@@joshscores3360Jogctogon

[@yeetthebeet]

BUSONI CHAN

[@yagiz885]

3:51

[@klop4228]

Ogdon puts in the ending from the two-piano version (a couple extra chords), and to be honest, I'm not a fan. It's a bit much.

[@segmentsAndCurves]

I disagree, it sounds like the epic ending this piece deserves.

[@klop4228]

@@segmentsAndCurves I feel like it was plenty epic already, and somehow this one feels pretty trite to me now.

[@hoek2000]

Yeah I don't get why he did that. Those last three chords at the end are one of my favorite parts of the piece, and the ending of the two-piano version just sounds cheesy by comparison.

[@klop4228]

@@hoek2000 for me it genuinely ruins the ending. Not sure why Busoni couldn't just let it be

[@amoryblaine2123]

Where is the channel that had the whole piano sonata no 1 of medtner in synthesia? I can't find it

[@yagiz885]

Well for some reason Pachabel Synthesia's Channel is gone, I am trying to contact him

[@amoryblaine2123]

@@yagiz885 Oh noo that's so sad. Tell me if there's news

[@amoryblaine2123]

@@yagiz885Maybe u can do a re-upload of the sonata?

[@pookiestation4]

31:34

[@kofiLjunggren]

Hi Yagiz! I started following your channel since you uploaded Scriabins prelude op 11 no 1, and I wondered if you could upload a self composed piece? Keep up the good work!

[@yagiz885]

Thank you! I am really glad to see some old followers, I can upload one of my compositions for sure!

[@kofiLjunggren]

@@yagiz885 Nice! And btw! Is it okay for you if you upload one of my sets of preludes? (9 pieces to be exact) I’ve been composing them for a long time! Thanks!

[@yagiz885]

@@kofiLjunggren Sure! Just send me the midis

[@kofiLjunggren]

@@yagiz885, I’m not sure how to but can I send the MuseScore link?

[@yagiz885]

@@kofiLjunggren That's alright!

[@agk0604]

Fazıl Say'ın istanbul senfonisinin her hangi bir bölümünü synthesizer'dan yapabilir misin ? Bence gayet iyi olur. Ulvi Ceemal'in halk oyun ezgilerini orkestrasyonladığı çalışmalar hariç bence cumhuriyet dönemi Türk besteciliğinin en önemli eseri istanbul senfonisidir. Bence onu yap, millet de görmüş olur "vay amk Türklerden neler neler çıkmış" der

[@yagiz885]

Yorumunuz için teşekkür ederim. Fazıl Say'ın çalışmaları ile ilgilenmiyorum, Erkin içinse midi yapmak gerekir ve AI'dan ses aldığım için eser müzikal değerini kaybedebilir. Bunun yerine şu anda Adnan Saygun'un piyano etütlerini yapıyorum, hem müzikal olarak da onlara dokunma imkanım var, ilk etüdün videosunu kanalımda bulabilirsin.

[@agk0604]

@@yagiz885 zaten o etüdü gördüm diye yazdım bu yorumu. "Adam türk bestecilerine de değer veriyo o zaman böyle bir fikir belki iyi olabilir" dedim o yüzden. Bazı kanallar var synthesizer üzerine kurulu olan ve onlar gerçek hayattaki kaydı alıp synthesizer'a seslerin sadece uzunluğuna göre ayarlamasını yapıp öyle aktarıyolar (örn : PianoCzarX), sesin şiddeti nüansları osu busu falan zaten kayıtta olduğu için adamların notaların süresinin salisesine kadar olan uzunluğu hariç dert edicek bişeyi olmuyo. Nota sütunlarının (böyle mi deniyo bilmiyorum ama sütuna benziyolar hakkatten) yüksekliğini (trknik olarak sürelerini) ayarlayabiliyorsanız bence bunu bir düşünün, uygulanmaya değecek bir fikir bence.

[@yagiz885]

@@agk0604 evet ve onu yapmak tam bir deli işi :D onu yapmak için tecrübe lazım. Şu anlık piano roll atıyorum genellikle. İlerde becerebilirsem canlı kayıt da kullanacağım.

[@agk0604]

@@yagiz885 ha zaten kanalın gelecek planlarında var buuu...anladım tamamdır benim tavsiyeme gerek yokmuş demek :D neyse iyi günler size

[@yagiz885]

@@agk0604 yok estağfurullah her tavsiye benim için teşviktir. discordunuz var mı bu arada? türk klasik müzik topluluğumuz var

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

This IMO is as hard as Beethoven/Liszt Symphony #9

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

@𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙 that's why I said IMO

[@ValzainLumivix]

@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji nice

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

@@ValzainLumivix h

[@SCRIABINIST]

Certainly as difficult as the Beethoven Symphony

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus yeah but I forgot lol

[@segmentsAndCurves]

Busoni atonal

[@qalaphyll]

xd

[@segmentsAndCurves]

@@qalaphyll no.

[@qalaphyll]

@@segmentsAndCurves okay.

[@aakarshitsingh1535]

😹😹😹

[@qalaphyll]

@@aakarshitsingh1535 heklo bhai

[@DeeCeeHaich]

This is not music.

[@yagiz885]

why is that?

[@DeeCeeHaich]

@@yagiz885 it has no form, it's just endless noise. Nothing holding it together, no direction nor purpose.

[@petereden9224]

You need to be familiar with Bach's Art of Fugue to make any sense of it. However I grant you the writing is dense.

[@DeeCeeHaich]

@@petereden9224 I am fully familiar with that. However, nothing related to the art of fugue could justify this garbage. And I am confused as to why you think it would.

[@Arobamod]

@@DeeCeeHaich The form of this piece is based off architecture instead of any traditional forms.