【FFXIV】4.X Samurai ~ Triple Sen Opener and Basic Rotation

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FFXIVMomo

FFXIVMomo

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Opener and rotation is subject to change due to more information being found at a later date.
This video shows another opener as well as the basic rotation for the job itself. Divulges into some details on how to maintain your rotation after your opener and general rule of thumbs for spending Kenki.
3 Sen Opener - ffxivrotations....
[Notes]
The Kasha opener will be mainly used with a class that brings a Slashing debuff (WAR/NIN)
The Yukikaze opener will be used when there are no Slashing debuff bringers.
I've seen a lot of misinformation being spread on Reddit lately where most people will start their combos off with Jinpu - which when looking at it from face value looks more appealing than Shifu in the long run it is not. Shifu comes out at around 11% of a damage increase.
That's not to say using Jinpu first will never be acceptable however. Say comes a fight where you need to put your DoT up ASAP so you get a full duration before a phase change. You'd most likely use Jinpu first.
Some might also argue that the Yukikaze opener is weaker than the Kasha opener in general even if there is no WAR or NIN in the party. I disagree but I still have to do further testing. Getting slashing debuff up for the other 2 tanks + yourself faster feels like it would be better overall for Raid DPS.
With the introduction to 30 second potions the potion spot is definitly subject to change. I didn't have any on me so I made due with what I had.
Mid Rotational Chart - i.imgur.com/1at...
Buff Priority: Speed buff > Damage buff > Slashing debuff
35 Rule: At a basic level 35 Kenki is the threshold at which you can use Shinten in your single-target. Why this is a thing is because if you have 35 Kenki there is no way you can't get a Shinten and Kaiten in within the next combo. Shinten = 25 Kenki so if we use HS at 35 Kenki we'll be put at 10 then combo (5) combo (5) which is 20 Kenki which lets Kaiten be able to be used. You can also do combo (5) > Yukikaze (10) which puts us at 25 for Shinten. The post on the official forums goes into better detail on this rule than I do. tl;dr when in doubt wait till you have 35 Kenki.
Using Hagakure on 3 Sen will almost ALWAYS be a DPS increase. The reason I use Hagakure on 1 Sen halfway through the video was to get an extra use over the whole fight.
This Opener specializes when the Ninja in your party is using Trick Attack after 6 GCDs. If the Ninja is using Trick Attack after 5th GCD use the Kasha Opener
If you have a Dragoon use the 1 Sen opener, if you have a Ninja use the 3 Sen opener. If the phase lasts around 70-80 seconds then the 3 Sen Opener is Superior however if the phase lasts around 3 minutes 1 Sen is better.
If single weaving Guren after Yukikaze make sure to wait half way through your GCD so it registers under slashing.
If there is no downtime happening within 60 seconds you can use meditate between your GCDs to have the chance of getting a free 10 Kenki.
Using Third Eye to proc Open Eyes from inevitable damage to use Seigan is a DPS increase.
When you apply the DOT for the 3rd time you have to let it fall or put it up at 10s left if you use the "sen to kenji skill" on three sen. But if you use it on 2 sen you can reapply your dot just in time.
You can use Meditate in between your first GCDs. Meditate gives 10 Kenki per tick. Using Meditate, however, causes you to stop autoattacks and any actions will cancel it.
Credit to Dervy's Theorycraft Discord and Excel uwu
- Momo Sama
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@Matthias129
@Matthias129 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO MUCH for going through the rotation, then going through again with the tooltips syncing to the moves. Everybody has their hotbars setup differently, and with the spam clicking it is hard for me to see what skills they're clicking on. I really can't put words to how much easier that makes it
@trashpandamonium870
@trashpandamonium870 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video mate! This is the only video I have come across where the narrator actually explained his rotation and provided a comprehensive flow chart, your my hero ^__^
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support!
@bnvi1215
@bnvi1215 7 жыл бұрын
The buffs sliding in and fading out along with the timer were a nice touch.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
haha thanks :D
@whiskeybandit573
@whiskeybandit573 7 жыл бұрын
seriously want to thank you for this video. after I finally got it down I almost always get all the commendations when we clear a dungeon. Great video!
@FTW1230
@FTW1230 7 жыл бұрын
question, why not weave true north before the first gekko so you don't end up having to move to get the positional in your opener, im pretty sure true north is a off gcd. trying it with your opener, it ended up lining up pretty well, ending right after the 2nd gekko (kasha opener that is).
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
theres no reason to use true north in your opener unless theres a mechanic that spins at the start like O3
@FTW1230
@FTW1230 7 жыл бұрын
should i use Kaiten + Hagakure into hissatsu: gurren if i have 3 sens and gurren is off cool down?
@gohannx95
@gohannx95 7 жыл бұрын
Is there any way I can get my hands on that rock remix? It's amazing 😍
@Jonizerr0r
@Jonizerr0r 7 жыл бұрын
nice work bro. Love your guides and all you do for the community. keep it up
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
( ᐛ )و Thanks!
@overratedcynic9124
@overratedcynic9124 7 жыл бұрын
In case you have no Warrior in the team I would rather start with the slashing debuff, for the simple fact, that your tank / or tanks / or even tanks and nin / benefit from it too, increasing overall party damage.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
The Yukikaze opener is in the first video I made. But if you have a NIN it's better to do the other openers still. Since NIN's will get up their slashing in 2.5 GCDs of us due to them having Huton up first.
@808ACEG
@808ACEG 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of this! It has been a great help. I've gotten the three sen and 1 sen openers + rotation down pretty well and have just been working on pulling them off with mechanics going on, and have been working on incorporating the stuff in your description like third eye for seigan and meditate if there's no downtime. (seigan has been easy, I keep forgetting the meditate_ One question though, what are you referring to in the "sen to kenji skill". Got a little confused there.
@Lich387
@Lich387 7 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, tnx! Btw, what's the song name?
@itspronouncedjello
@itspronouncedjello 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Momo sama Kreygasm
@condoman45
@condoman45 7 жыл бұрын
If you would not mind me asking. Have you tried a 2 Sen opener yet? Applying some similar principles, and also thinking about the fact that most DPS I.E. Red Mage and Dragoon specifically need to build for the big parts of their rotation. So why not instead go with Yuki Combo > Gekko Combo > (Hagakure) > Kasha Combo > (Kaiten) Higanbana (Meikyo Shisui.) > Kasha (Gurren) > Gekko (Shinten) > Yuki > (Kaiten) Midare? This would put you in line with most Red Mage embolden and other party buffs. As well as allowing for 2 Kaitens 1 Shinten and a Gurren all in one opener.
@demarcuscaruthers9521
@demarcuscaruthers9521 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Momo, I love the the rotation you have here. It's very nice. I want to use it, but I'm only at lvl 50 and i don't have Hissatsu yet. Is there an alternative opener i can use until i get to lvl 62?
@RealNigga0190
@RealNigga0190 5 жыл бұрын
honestly just put your dot up first and midare whenever you can until you get to 62 where kenki actually becomes a thing. it aint all that much you can do before 60
@melissaspiers1394
@melissaspiers1394 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this! Now to go practice it ad nauseam x__x
@cjkelskey854
@cjkelskey854 7 жыл бұрын
MOMO I have to say im glad our community has you :) now if only you had goon stuffs :p
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I'll be making one of these videos for each melee.
@cjkelskey854
@cjkelskey854 7 жыл бұрын
@Cassandra_Solidor
@Cassandra_Solidor 7 жыл бұрын
Hope you don't mind my asking about aoe rotations, but curious on your thoughts about keeping both Shifu and Jinpu up while aoe-ing or just Jinpu.
@jarebare00
@jarebare00 7 жыл бұрын
Whats your rotation after the 6 sen? is it the mid rotation you put in your description? do u open with 6 sen and then go straight into that mid rotation you linked?
@PrushkaB
@PrushkaB 7 жыл бұрын
Couple quick questions, one SAM and one partially unrelated: 1) I know the math isn't quite done on Hagakure yet, but is there a general rule of priority for how many Sens is better to use it on? Like, is one option noticeably worse than the other? 2) Haven't touched NIN at all this patch, why the split in TA timing in the opener?
@dcajeton1712
@dcajeton1712 7 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between this one and your last vid? 0.0
@MickeyGlover
@MickeyGlover 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with SAM, Im lvl 59 and already do tons more damage then my DRG ever did.
@themerovingian4252
@themerovingian4252 6 жыл бұрын
You're not playing DRG right lol
@CalamitasDeus
@CalamitasDeus 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you find this music? It's awesome!
@AlidadeFIM
@AlidadeFIM 7 жыл бұрын
Any chance of an invite link for the SAM theorycraft discord? If so, thanks.
@MrThuralion
@MrThuralion 7 жыл бұрын
You know why SCH's chain strategem comes up so late? Wouldn't he want it up before he casts his dots?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Better for the group.
@Daniel-sp1vu
@Daniel-sp1vu 7 жыл бұрын
Getting all 3 openers down for any situation for when Savage drops but what materia are you melding? I've seen all different opinions from Crit to Sks but wanted to know what you thought.
@sepheroithisgod
@sepheroithisgod 7 жыл бұрын
Where does the potion go in this opener?
@HiroSama98
@HiroSama98 7 жыл бұрын
Would you consider saying that this opener is the best one for the susano fight?
@dmitryk13
@dmitryk13 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, Momo! I've been rewatching over and over) and got 1 more question - you delaying 2nd Guren for good 45secs, you do that for mostly trick attack and other party buffs, right? is it really worth it to delay Guren so much in a pug group, relying on them to use their CDs properly to line up with yours?) (Also i already asked but you didnt answer, is it better to use jinpu>shifu priority on mobs that wont live long? or shifu is still superior to jinpu in any case?)
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
The reason Guren was delayed here for 45 seconds was because it was optimized for a 3 minute fight. You wouldn't normally delay that long and use on cooldown instead. And yes Shifu > Jinpu
@suzleber4
@suzleber4 7 жыл бұрын
Nice!! No Momo make a new ninja video!! lol I've been considering a delayed trick attack opener due to the new changes. Would love to see if you've had time to go over ninja at all since SB.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I'll be making a NIN video next!
@suzleber4
@suzleber4 7 жыл бұрын
you the man, good look!
@chriscrook7050
@chriscrook7050 7 жыл бұрын
Momo out of interest what is your sks at as I have 900 atm but yours seems to be much higher than mine with that video
@celticsuave
@celticsuave 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Momo, have you figured out the ideal minimum Skill Speed for Samurais yet? Thanks and good job with the awesome videos!
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
The least skill speed you can get afaik.
@Sunbro70L
@Sunbro70L 7 жыл бұрын
Great vids, can you put an updated rotation/opener for the ninjas aswel? cheers man
@Ibanez95
@Ibanez95 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video :) how is the ninja in sb?:)
@crappypatty
@crappypatty 7 жыл бұрын
Hey momo, throughout the fight do you prefer to continue using hagakure-3 sen or do you lean towards hagakure on CD and 3 sen Midare? If that made sense!
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Haven't done either EX enough to know enough and I don't really care much about Primals at all. Check back for Savage fights however!
@KainZC
@KainZC 7 жыл бұрын
so hagakure 3 sens as much as possible, got it
@rampartd.1100
@rampartd.1100 7 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one getting a higher dps output opening with Yukikaze?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Crit RNG.
@rampartd.1100
@rampartd.1100 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo I've been rolling with your rotation bro it hasn't failed me lol
@Akidryt
@Akidryt 7 жыл бұрын
Out of these 3 openers (1sen, 2sen, 3sen) which is the preferred one? are there any maths/suggestions considering clipping etc? tested them all and i kinda like the 1sen the most
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
3 Sen is the most potent with 6 GCD trick, 1 Sen Kasha is most potent with 5th GCD trick. If theres no NIN I prefer using 3 Sen over 1 Sen.
@paulreitzin5059
@paulreitzin5059 7 жыл бұрын
New to the game. Would you say that Bard rotation is more difficult to learn than Samurai? It seems like there are a bit more things to keep track of as a bard whereas samurai is a constant memorized rotation.
@SuperRabbitTank
@SuperRabbitTank 7 жыл бұрын
Late reply but you got it right. Samurai is much easier to learn as everything comes and goes in a set order due to a lack of RNG-based procs. With Bard it's all based off of your dot crits and your Refulgent Arrow procs, as well as being able to line up Raging Strikes with Wanderer's Minuet consistently and keeping Straight Shot active. Bard, IMO, is harder to master but is much more rewarding to play.
@lehuybao23
@lehuybao23 7 жыл бұрын
did u bring some thoughts to nin openers yet? It is kinda mehhh atm
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Haven't done anything with NIN yet.
@kupomogry9765
@kupomogry9765 7 жыл бұрын
Ye. You better stay a clone-warrior-samurai.
@Miirik
@Miirik 7 жыл бұрын
what about using the move for 50%potency increase on the dot?
@crrushcrushcrush
@crrushcrushcrush 6 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, what is clipping on SAM like? Because I've been playing around SAM and I'm not sure how does clipping "feels" like, btw I'm also a new player here.
@holydarkness90
@holydarkness90 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry if a silly question but what do you use to display the targets hp like that?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
ACT
@shiryushini7321
@shiryushini7321 7 жыл бұрын
I personnally start with the Kasha combo to get the SS buff asap, the use Hagakure right after. Following, the Gekko combo into Kaiten/Higanbana, Meikyo Shisui, all 3 Sen, Guren and Kaiten/Midare. This opener uses all the Generated Kenki for the 2 most-efficient kenki-spender (Guren and Kaiten on Midare and Higanbana), which is what we're aiming for. You also end up with no remaining Sen, so you can go to your basic rotations after this. When Guren comes off-cooldown and you dont have enough Kenki to use it, simply use Hagakure to generate it.
@hywolfgaming8932
@hywolfgaming8932 5 жыл бұрын
so is there an end to debate for SkS or Crit prioritizing? trying to make a sam main
@yungweejwannabe6265
@yungweejwannabe6265 7 жыл бұрын
does anyone know how he changed the hp bar of the dummy to give the number of hp and percent while changing color?
@ruingazer
@ruingazer 7 жыл бұрын
i'm curious about how you'd handle the 3rd application of higanbana if you aren't using a 1sen hagakure there - seems like you'd almost have to let it fall off for a few seconds? also seems like it could be a little finicky depending on how fast your GCD is
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I have 1000 SKS in this video. I'm now at 500 SKS and this rotation flows a lot more fluid. I have no idea how I would handle the 3rd reapplication of Higanbana since I haven't tested it with 3 sen. But just looking at it I would prob clip it a little early. So instead of doing Jinpu > Hagakure i'd hold Shinten and do Jinpu > Kaiten > Hagakure > Gekko > Hagakure or something.
@johnkendrick6198
@johnkendrick6198 5 жыл бұрын
Just got Sam so does opener really matter when you first start compared to when your max lvl
@chrisortiz9256
@chrisortiz9256 7 жыл бұрын
Momo what are the stat priorities for SAM. Is it DH>CRIT>DET? Or DH>DET>CRIT?
@Tsuneo625
@Tsuneo625 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Ortiz I have seen DH>crit>det in a few guides. I would like to hear what Momo thinks.
@chrisortiz9256
@chrisortiz9256 7 жыл бұрын
yea I don't think he is going to reply lol
@nishareid483
@nishareid483 7 жыл бұрын
Where's the RDM opener that uses that embolden timing from? I haven't looked into a standardized opener yet.
@MasterslayerIX
@MasterslayerIX 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Momo, why are you using kaiten before Higanbana? I Mean it doesnt increase the DoT damage by 50% does it ?
@ranaude
@ranaude 7 жыл бұрын
Kaiten does indeed increase the DoT tick damage. Tested and confirmed by many sources
@Latroxx1
@Latroxx1 7 жыл бұрын
Are you going to be maining Samurai in Savage Raids? Or is it just another route of MNK? pointless because it doesn't offer alot other than DPS?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Savage raids too for now. Monk is the worse melee of the four right now.
@Greedie
@Greedie 7 жыл бұрын
is there a parse to this opener and rotation?
@KingBooTee
@KingBooTee 7 жыл бұрын
these openers are fantastic, but there's one thing I'm not getting, why use Kaiten to buff up Higanbana? Does it increase the damage that it'll do over time, cause if that's the case, I know what I'll be doing more to ensure max damage
@KujoTenshi
@KujoTenshi 7 жыл бұрын
yes it does
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
It does indeed buff it!
@Ioshipon
@Ioshipon 7 жыл бұрын
That Brotherhood goes up quite fast, you don't know the opener the MNK would use for that, do you?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I just asked one of my friends what GCD he uses it after in his opener and he said Six. ( ᐛ )و
@Ioshipon
@Ioshipon 7 жыл бұрын
D'okay. Coz I use it after 7. Might just go and dump diversion from my opener :p
@misafan4u
@misafan4u 7 жыл бұрын
does samurai require any double weaving?
@sorasky4662
@sorasky4662 6 жыл бұрын
Hi is this rotation still relevant to the latest patch? Beginner samurai here 😊
@williamcapeleto6401
@williamcapeleto6401 7 жыл бұрын
Always use Hagakure > Mekyo Shisui during the rotation? even if i need to wait a little? because mechanics and stuff. And how many kenki i need to keep?
@jeremylong8535
@jeremylong8535 6 жыл бұрын
Idk why this isn't clicking with me, I play my others dps's just great but samurai rotation makes me fumble thumbed and brain laggy lol it's so frustrating cuz I think I wanna low key main sam
@hayabusa09
@hayabusa09 7 жыл бұрын
whats the name of the second song if you please
@Nameymcnamerson7
@Nameymcnamerson7 7 жыл бұрын
ai3gt I also want to know
@drvenom1883
@drvenom1883 7 жыл бұрын
nice video and plz what is the name of the 2nd music ?
@ToberryRequiem
@ToberryRequiem 7 жыл бұрын
How did you make your target HP bar look like that?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
ACT
@ToberryRequiem
@ToberryRequiem 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo thank you
@nickolasthompson878
@nickolasthompson878 7 жыл бұрын
my priority is slashing debuff combo, damage up combo, attack speed combo. slashing debuff increases damage up combo, both of those increase the attack speed up combo. can you explain why you prioritized attack speed over the other buffs?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Attack Speed is your strongest buff putting up at around 11%.
@phourthhorseman7385
@phourthhorseman7385 7 жыл бұрын
I keep trying, but I end up missing 10-15 Kenki somewhere...
@phourthhorseman7385
@phourthhorseman7385 7 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, after about a dozen or so attempts to find out why it never worked, I went through and read everything and found out the positionals. lol
@phourthhorseman7385
@phourthhorseman7385 7 жыл бұрын
Now I get to get my behind handed to me by the EX Primals lol
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah the positional don't get shown to you till you hit 52 so some people have no idea haha. ( ᐛ )و
@paulykeint
@paulykeint 7 жыл бұрын
Hey im pretty new to ff and i wanted to know how you change your UI like that? i dont mind the stock one but i would like to change it like i do in wow or even like yours
@ntenhonome3
@ntenhonome3 7 жыл бұрын
system (xiv icon) > HUD layout
@gnfkyu
@gnfkyu 7 жыл бұрын
so question... i see that you double weave Meikyo and Shinten after your Gekko would there any loss in doing the Shinten half way through the Jinpu gcd and single weave the Meikyo or is there where you pot or something ? just asking cause since the servers move my connection being kinda iffy and sometimes double weave is a pain for me so i try to avoid doing if possible lol
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Shinten is used right as Trick Attack is put up.
@Tsuneo625
@Tsuneo625 7 жыл бұрын
Momo....what is the name of that FLAMING SWORD you are using!
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Ifrit's glamour sword thing
@Lady_Moonsong
@Lady_Moonsong 7 жыл бұрын
Why is your Midare hitting for so little?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I had no gear.
@Sidar800
@Sidar800 7 жыл бұрын
I still just can't wrap my head around how Hakagure 3 Sen is better than Kaiten/Midare. Your Shinten were avg just over 4k while Midare waa 15kish. I get that Shinten is off the gcd which is nice. I've seen posts on Reddit and the official forums and seems there is still no "right" answer about it. Guess I will just have to test the SSS dummy with Hakagure in rotation see what happens
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Kaiten on Midare is 18p/kenki Shinten is 12p/kenki Kaiten Midare = 1080potency for 20 kenki hagakure with 3 Sen is 60 kenki + extra GCD Midare - the 20 kenki you were going to spend is 240 potency gained back addd that extra GCD you get back +5 kenki tl;dr: Hagakure on 3 sen is 1020 potency + the potency of an extra GCD and extra Kenki
@seansheehan9491
@seansheehan9491 6 жыл бұрын
wait why arent you powering up your gurren
@Miyuki-zzZ
@Miyuki-zzZ 7 жыл бұрын
Hi can i know ur Keybinds , if u kindly post or make a video of ur keybinds would be great
@Battue64
@Battue64 7 жыл бұрын
Dats good shit Momo good shit
@goodbye3020
@goodbye3020 7 жыл бұрын
a lot of problems I've had at level 70 is the outrageous amount of skill speed. can't seem to get good gear without 800-900 sks, which makes sen management in regards to cooldowns and Higanbana dot very frustrating. Any idea what kind of sks to aim for? I noticed in your video you have recast timers of 2.47, which is about 400-500 sks, but I'm curious how you got it so low.. no idea what gear to use because everything at max ilvl right now gives absurd amounts. Appreciate the help, thanks.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I have 1060 SKS in this video. Oh the tooltips were clipped a long time ago when I was 69/just reached 70.
@goodbye3020
@goodbye3020 7 жыл бұрын
ohh thank you. I guess I just run into a few problems regarding cooldowns during the yukikaze and kasha openers. Things in the 3-sen one tend to work from what I see in the video. :) the rotation of Hagakure and Meikyo after the yukikaze one mostly, I end up having like 2 seconds left on Hagakure with all 3 sen open, while just after using shifu or jinpu. I don't know if I should use Midare Setsugekka and use Hagakure later (I doubt that's the case), wait the extra split second to use Hagakure before using Gekko or Kasha, or use Gekko or Kasha and waste a Sen. I'm not sure if that makes sense, maybe having higher SKS will fix the problem, but any tips would be appreciated. I can give a more detailed example of the rotation and my problem if that helps, thanks a lot!
@goodbye3020
@goodbye3020 7 жыл бұрын
So I just tried it again, I'm not sure what was so weird about it beforehand but I didn't have the problem I described above. The only weird thing was after the second hagakure, Meikyo Shisui still had about eight seconds. What I did was a full Gekko combo, Meikyo came up, I used it and did yukikaze, Kasha, Midare Setsugekka, then another Gekko, then straight back into normal rotation. Is there something else I should be doing? would love any feedback, thanks.
@goodbye3020
@goodbye3020 7 жыл бұрын
After that I also had to clip Higanbana by about 4 or 5 seconds because Hagakure still had about 16 seconds. With more sks I imagine that clip would be longer. Is that alright? or what should I do to avoid that?
@goodbye3020
@goodbye3020 7 жыл бұрын
Just discovered that my problem before was using Hagakure one gcd too late, figures xD
@gnfkyu
@gnfkyu 7 жыл бұрын
another question this more after the opener n more mid fight related... due how phase changes n just how it line up sometimes i find myself getting hagakure back off cd either right after i need to spend my 3sen or sometimes when i just finishing building the first one is it worth holding it for 5-6gcd to use on 3sen ? assuming ill get another use before the fight ends
@gearhead417
@gearhead417 7 жыл бұрын
So when is the right time to use Hagakure? After running Susano EX a few times, outside of my opener I have no Kenki management problems. Shinten is only used when I have around ~30-40 Kenki and only if it's before a combo. Guren is used on CD because I'd rather build my Kenki to around 80 when it's about ready to cast. It seems like dumping Sen into Kenki means you are losing damage since a 3 Sen Hagakure can only guarantee 2 Shinten per use of Hagakure. Hagakure feels like Meditate where I should only be used during moments where you can't hit the boss for an extended time.
@hbshock2617
@hbshock2617 7 жыл бұрын
You should be using Hagakure on CD, it is almost always a DPS increase to 3 Sen Hagakure over Midare, you should only be using Midare when both Hagakure and Meiyko are on CD.
@TheDesiredShadow
@TheDesiredShadow 5 жыл бұрын
can you still do this rotation ? after my second combo ending with Gekko i hav 35 Kenki not 40
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 5 жыл бұрын
You're probably missing a positional
@ninonakano3597
@ninonakano3597 6 жыл бұрын
what weapon did you use
@clearxgilbert
@clearxgilbert 7 жыл бұрын
Hi momo! I was tryingto find answer to this but im not sure if i got it. Which opener is the one and best if my party use a NIN ? Id like to get better dpsing with this comp.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Three Sen
@monkeyjamzter
@monkeyjamzter 7 жыл бұрын
hey momo I can't double weave because of my ping would I be better off with the 1 Sen opener? I've noticed when I use the 1 Sen opener I also clip my gcd when I use Meikyo after the dot.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
If you have high ping the 1 Sen opener is probably better since you only double weave one thing.
@monkeyjamzter
@monkeyjamzter 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo thank you momo
@TheBigsam96
@TheBigsam96 7 жыл бұрын
Thought on dragoon?
@TheBigsam96
@TheBigsam96 7 жыл бұрын
good rotation with sam btw
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Love both classes.
@jerrydayz
@jerrydayz 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if this is a silly question or not since I'm on PS4. if I have 3 sen built up and like 10 seconds left on hag should I wait for it or just midare?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Midare.
@Fheara_Nyakki
@Fheara_Nyakki 7 жыл бұрын
I wished ppl decides once for all which is the best status weight for sam. Actually I'm 1906 critical, 1552 direct hit and 1100 det and still doign same rotation as when I had 1500 crit with dps almost identical... I use this as opener. Another problem is hagakure. With 693 skill speed I always have hagakure ready 2 seconds later once I builded 3 sen... so is forcing me to use midare or delay 2 secodns for use hagakure, either waiting for it OR do a hakaze first... fucking shit skill speed and day SE placed it on game.
@dmitryk13
@dmitryk13 7 жыл бұрын
Didnt want to delete the post, so i'll just say here: I re-did the math and now i totally agree that using Hagakure on 3sens is a dps gain unless you go over 100 kenki(which is easily avoidable with some management)or boss is going invincible within next few seconds. Hello, would you mind elaborating a bit on using Hagakure to get 60 kenki, please? Because i can't understand how instead of using kaiten+midare (720+360 potency) is worse than getting 60 kenki and using 2x Shinten (300+300), even if you had extra 15 kenki beforehand, that would just add extra 300 potency, so basically according to you 1080potency < 900 potency? am i missing something? Or you mean to strictly use Hagakure for when Guren is about to go off cd?
@dmitryk13
@dmitryk13 7 жыл бұрын
it is true, but you will never use just Midare, it's a must to use with Kaiten(so 720+360), meaning the potencies are different. Holding one gcd is not big deal since after 3 sens your next gcd is Hakaze 150 potency(so even if you count 12*60 = 720+150, it's still less than Midare+Kaiten), so mathematically i can agree, but practically, 60 kenki is not even 3 shintens, only 2. So far, i came to conclusion that priority for kenki is Kaiten>Guren>Shinten, dont you think that's the way?
@NamesLynx
@NamesLynx 7 жыл бұрын
it honestly might just come down to extra chances to crit / direct hit.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I have to do more testing since i'm still iffy about the 3 Sen Hagakure midpull but it should be better in theory since you have to account for the extra GCDs you get not using Midare which overtime results in an extra one or two Midare. We'll see I suppose...
@sangcreux167
@sangcreux167 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm not very great with theorycrafting, but I tried both methods, using Hagakure mid pull and only using it at the opening. The highest output I got during a 3 minute parse was using Hagakure as a "dps increase" ending in 4.2k after 3 minutes. The other method however, also landed me around 4.1k. I don't know if this helps at all or anything. I did each method a couple times.
@appetizingly
@appetizingly 7 жыл бұрын
+Dmitry K Your thinking is a little bit flawed though. Kaiten + Midare has a 1080 base potency - let's say you're using Hagakure for all 3 symbols (although that's probably something that shouldn't be done, using it at 1 or 2 depending on the situation seems to work out better), that gets you 60 Kenki in addition to the 20 you would have used for Kaiten; so in this case you have 80 Kenki which equates to 960 potency plus the GCD you're saving. Not to mention that it makes your DoT management considerably easier. Properly using Hagakure should be a DPS increase under all circumstances.
@KujoTenshi
@KujoTenshi 7 жыл бұрын
momo, could you try a yukikaze first, 3 sen opener, it seems to have a higher dps gain the, yukikaze first 2 sen hakaze > yukikaze > hakaze > shifu > kasha > hakaze > jinpu > mkss/shinten > gekko/hagakure/guren > kasha/kaiten > higanbana > gekko/shiten > hakaze > shifu > kasha > hakaze > yukikaze/kaiten > midare
7 жыл бұрын
Momo priority melds?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I believe Direct Hit is the hot thing at the moment.
@trueblueclue
@trueblueclue 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo How is sks looking in general, especially for ninja?
@HunterJoe010
@HunterJoe010 7 жыл бұрын
i will try this but i dont know if im ready for it : (
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
You can do it!
@kdthefullest44
@kdthefullest44 7 жыл бұрын
Hey first time watching your KZbin and your skin great but I wanted to ask do you have a video for BLM too if not it's kool
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
I don't main casters sorry.
@kdthefullest44
@kdthefullest44 7 жыл бұрын
oh iight np just wanted to find out but i do like your rotation though on samurai and ninja
@samconds5375
@samconds5375 6 жыл бұрын
Are you supposed to just memorize a 20 move combo
@themerovingian4252
@themerovingian4252 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. Plus a lot of it is common sense as you're doing it.
@rener1344
@rener1344 7 жыл бұрын
where is this location in game?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Yanxia.
@narxx00
@narxx00 7 жыл бұрын
Hi i have question i hope someone would answer My sam status like the following Cri 1760 Deter 906 Direct 1800+ Should i lower some of the cri or direct and increase the deter ? Or this status is fine ? Thanks in advance
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Your stats are fine.
@narxx00
@narxx00 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo thank you !
@trueblueclue
@trueblueclue 7 жыл бұрын
*notices a theory crafting discord* oWo what's this?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Secret!
@crappypatty
@crappypatty 7 жыл бұрын
I did theorycrafting on WoW (can provide proof), how do I get into the discord for FF14?
@trueblueclue
@trueblueclue 7 жыл бұрын
FFXIVMomo How do I get into theorycrafting? I'm not good at the game but I'm really into math and my theoretical knowledge of FF14 is pretty decent.
@TabbyTheTank
@TabbyTheTank 7 жыл бұрын
song?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
Ultima song from FFXIV metal version and Duel music from FFXIV
@junior752352
@junior752352 7 жыл бұрын
And the 5:10 foward?
@ArcInvictus
@ArcInvictus 7 жыл бұрын
Assuming no NIN in party (cries), is this opener superior in any way to Dervys Kasha opener? Or is it merely personal preference at that point?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
If there is no NIN or WAR in the party I would do the Yukikaze opener
@ArcInvictus
@ArcInvictus 7 жыл бұрын
Should have mentioned I'll have a WAR in my static, but co-melee is going MNK, so will have 2nd GCD slashing. Are both the above opener and Dervys opener interchangable with that in mind?
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
5th GCD Trick - Kasha Opener 6th GCD Trick - Triple Sen Opener No Slashing - Yukikaze Opener You said the other melee is going MNK so the opener you use will be fight dependent instead. Both openers are fine for you.
@ArcInvictus
@ArcInvictus 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you ♥
@BorkieOmnominous
@BorkieOmnominous 7 жыл бұрын
i ran into a momo sama in a PF, was totally not you. omg, they had 1600 dps. twas bad.
@leighg9o
@leighg9o Жыл бұрын
Sighhhh if only kaiten would return and ditch shinten. Life would be complete again
@lazarogurgel714
@lazarogurgel714 7 жыл бұрын
HA! i can't do this opener because of lag D:
@YashiroIsana
@YashiroIsana 7 жыл бұрын
Question, I haven't done a single testing but if possible you could tell me if the rotation I use here ffxivrotations.com/rl4 is viable and if so in which situation. Disclaimer, I did not make the combo myself, it is copied from another video, if need be I will link. The issue will be that Higanbana won't enjoy the slashing debuff damage increase but other than that, I felt that it is a good opener seeing as Off GCDs were used as early as possible without compromising damage.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
This is the same opener in my other video. Slashing debuff will normally be up with a WAR/NIN so typically that won't be a problem. This opener is good for 5th GCD Trick Attack.
@YashiroIsana
@YashiroIsana 7 жыл бұрын
But what is the difference between the two ? The one that you provided first seems a lot faster than the 3 Sen opener.
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
The 3 Sen opener is better for phases that last 60-70 seconds for 6th GCD Trick. The 1 Sen opener is better for phases that last longer than 3 minutes and 5th GCD Trick.
@MoonDasher07734
@MoonDasher07734 7 жыл бұрын
When's strim bby uwu
@kinh0t
@kinh0t 5 жыл бұрын
horrible hotbar config
@dianitestar1234
@dianitestar1234 5 жыл бұрын
seems like a. really good rotation for sam but like most others i play my own way XD
@CreekRiverDog
@CreekRiverDog 5 жыл бұрын
waste of resources.
@xGunner1
@xGunner1 7 жыл бұрын
Can't even do the double weave without it clipping into my GCD since my ping isn't good enough. Also opener requires Infusion of strength potion to be able to pull of the DoT and Midare inside the potion buff. And right now, those infusion of strength potions are too expensive. This is the opener you use for the truly privileged. Next time check your privileges before you post an opener Momo
@repulse7074
@repulse7074 7 жыл бұрын
xGunner1 And you're going off on Momo for your crappy ping? Makes no sense at all
@LookItIsHope
@LookItIsHope 7 жыл бұрын
xGunner1 You sound like an entitled brat.
@rampartd.1100
@rampartd.1100 7 жыл бұрын
xGunner1 L
@juliekim7470
@juliekim7470 7 жыл бұрын
hes mad cause he cant afford pots?
@xGunner1
@xGunner1 7 жыл бұрын
Seems I caused a salt storm, surprised people are being this overly defensive for Momo for a joking post I made. I really thought mentioning "privileges" would give it away, but I guess some people are too stupid to see that.
@TheKozdgaf
@TheKozdgaf 7 жыл бұрын
Lame ass douchaurai
@Vacuous1
@Vacuous1 7 жыл бұрын
So question with guren, once its off CD. what should you do if say the boss will jump. Use it before it jumps or after the boss comes back? And mainly in order for you to use it again after the open. How would you build your kenki back up? (I'm going to guess by having hagakure and meiko shisui line up to do so, since thats what I've been doing)
@FFXIVMomo
@FFXIVMomo 7 жыл бұрын
On a basic level use it on cooldown. On a more advanced level you'll want to save it for party buffs as long as you don't miss a usage of it.
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