FFXIV THE BEST CHEATER I'VE EVER SEEN

My take on the recent drama surrounding the world first TOP (The Omega Protocol Ultimate) clear.
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[@kage8725]

Yoshi P: You are by far the worst raiders I have ever heard of. Nameless: But you have heard of us

[@syracurse]

LMAO true

[@Sky-Dweller]

the group that cleared like 4 days before all the other groups? despite it being a known fact that w1rst racers use a shit ton of plugins?

[@syracurse]

@@Sky-Dweller yep thats this group...and thats probable that who clears ultimates way ahead of the majority is using some kind of tool, same happened in dsr and the same was suspected in tea

[@Sky-Dweller]

@@syracurse yea i dont know why people call them bad. yea they used a shit ton of plugins and thats generally taboo, but,,, unnamed beat all other teams by like 3 days which is impressive as hell

[@katastrophiik]

@@Sky-Dweller its still cheating lol

[@Duskaria]

It's not even the zoom hack that gets me. It's that fact that when they died and the game fades to black, you can still see their hitboxes highlighted as little white lights meaning they had Hitbox hacks on too (amongst other things)

[@syracurse]

they had to get that world first somehow LMAO

[@Duskaria]

@@syracurse Really turns that "Newly formed Team clears P8S" into a big HMMMMM too, doesn't it

[@syracurse]

@@Duskaria lol absolutely

[@harryolo1]

That's gotta be the best raider that ever cleared.

[@TheRealAlexFlame]

"So it would seem...."

[@rusampler1877]

He's a hacker.

[@cantthinkofone4196]

That has to go that DSR guy who 4738363 different mods up lmaoo

[@NotTheAntichrist]

Have to be the worst cheaters I've ever heard of.

[@absol13]

But you have heard of them.

[@cantthinkofone4196]

Oh this is just the tip of the iceberg, it gets way way worse

[@idontmindpineappleonapizza9591]

@@absol13 nice

[@demonslayer2016]

The best part is this really goes to show that you shouldn't break deals with the wrong people

[@syracurse]

true and based

[@rokmare]

So, JP community is already going on a witch hunt with pitchfork and torches 🤣

[@syracurse]

literally..yeah.....

[@elanapiper6113]

whenever i raid, sometimes i wish i had zoom as a console player

[@YvaiatheDemon]

I came for the funny meme but when I saw your channel header I entered paradise. Thank you ♥

[@syracurse]

♥

[@MrSnapko]

gold

[@JackDaloots]

Lalafell & Bun Alliance: "Ban him, He's not our man."

[@MagnusArchae]

Man, even as an aura I sometimes lose track of my character in a group, but zoomed out that much with a lala, I'd never know where I was lol

[@ladyzelda4189]

gg

[@DGneoseeker1]

I have genuinely no idea what I just watched.

[@syracurse]

the POV of the greatest cheater in FFXIV

[@michaellebert8907]

Its simply a question of Leverage

[@Charles-mv7sv]

ARR Leviathan EX is still annoying, i can never see or move my camera fast enough to dodge the swipes. Oh well

[@lunapanshiel]

you don't need to move the camera, the best advice i can give is look in ONE direction, then listen to the sound of gushing water. if you don't see it on the side you're looking at, you run THAT way. really pays to use sound cues there

[@Charles-mv7sv]

@@lunapanshiel I dont use headphones so that doesn't work for me and my tv, but thanks for tip

[@lunapanshiel]

@@Charles-mv7sv i'm not using headphones either, the sound is just REALLY loud and there isn't usually much other action going on to drown it out

[@Charles-mv7sv]

@@lunapanshiel my TV has speakers in the back, not the front and I dont blast it. It's pretty much mono sound

[@katokaraji]

Some players: "We have to be able to zoom the camera further out to see the entire Arena" The same players if their wish comes true: "This game is too easy. It has become boring. There is no real challenge" 🤦‍♀️

[@syracurse]

accurate LOL, tbf it would be nice to get to zoom a bit more out, but not that far as these guys did in the vid LMAO most people just skip this problem by getting an ultrawide and yolo (me)

[@TheEmperorHyperion]

UAV online.

[@Redwolfxx]

LMAO!!!!!!! I CANTLLSJDKLSAJFKL my ribs, you earned my sub

[@glxzx4054]

Beautiful

[@NoxAevitas]

As an ult raider, It's not like zooming out that much *really* does anything. For world first? Yeah sure its an advantage but you literally have to completely figure out and execute the entire fight properly regardless. The first ones even. That wasn't cheated at least, the learning wasn't, the achievement of that I think is overlooked because of a few aids to get there. But it's a race. Look at NASCAR cheating or bending the rules lmao, in a race the only thing that matters is winning. The JP players harrassed these people a lot, which was definitely not warrented. I don't think it's even valid to call it 'cheating' in the sense that, think of like an aimbot in a shooter right? It's an aid, a 3rd party against ToS aid, but not a "it does the fight for you." It'd so much rather people use zoom hacks or hitbox visibility plugins than splatoon or cactbot everything, or TTS for something like Nael quotes etc. Is it something I do? Nope. Do I condone it? Nope, won't get on someone if they do. Thats my ... 15 or so cent(ence)s on it

[@mobgabriel1767]

Me who never played any final fantasy:visible confusion

[@syracurse]

tldr: the world first team used a zoom hack that let them see more of the arena and the community started witch hunting them, Square Enix took away their achievement/title and asked them to get rid of the weapon they got for clearing

[@HirokunImnotgoodatthis]

Asked?

[@syracurse]

@@HirokunImnotgoodatthis yeah, at least that was in the translation I read. the Game Masters asked them to discard their weapons/totems, not sure why they couldn't just remove it but it is what it is

[@thedepressedguy6664]

How do I do that?!?!, i need lees Zoom!!!

[@orion9630]

What do FF and JP stand for? I have a guess but I’m not completely sure.

[@syracurse]

ff means final fantasy, jp means japanese

[@RJ.the.artist]

They consider this a cheat? I have a vision issues. Please, squeenix, extend the camera zoom. I don’t know who I’m healing half the time because we’re so spaced out. It would be easier if I could just click on them.

[@syracurse]

would be curious if they actually extended the camera zoom and wouldn't be a first...we've seen other third party features ending up in the game...smile...

[@KingBobbito]

You know it's way easier to just click names in the list than try to click on specific heroes when you're zoomed a million miles out, right?

[@RJ.the.artist]

@@KingBobbito not for me it isn’t. I don’t recognize names. But I do recognize bodies.

[@RJ.the.artist]

I need to see the physical body of the person I am healing. It’s one of the reasons why it’s so hard to keep up with my team in alliance raids, unless I can clearly see the tank.

[@KingBobbito]

@@RJ.the.artist you don't need to recognize names, it tells you which one is tank and what their HP is

[@SunrisenStar]

cheats, still dies to mechanics. yeah, that's a cheater alright.

[@Kay-00]

Me who not ffiv player: wtf is going on over there

[@syracurse]

its just drama...tldr, and i got inspired to make a meme about it

[@KarumaJiusetu]

The serious answer is a cheat that allows further zoom out of the camera.

[@syracurse]

@@KarumaJiusetu not sure how my answer was not serious, but thanks for elaborating

[@Nami]

@@syracurse Touchy!

[@DGneoseeker1]

@@KarumaJiusetu Why is that even considered cheating?

[@DaddysLittlevampire666]

tbh in cheaters defense i play on console so I cant sadly, fights being designed by limiting how much of the battle you can see is kinda bad tbh

[@syracurse]

it's a matter of getting used to it tbf

[@DaddysLittlevampire666]

@@syracurse i mean yes but i can name some fights that I enjoy and have done since it first came out, for example levithan that sometimes just because I cant see I slip and I've been running that one a lot on alts because I enjoy levi weapons for some jobs. THere is getting use to it, and then there are moves that you kinda have to see the complete screen in order to avoid or your screwed titan in the eden raids is one example of that or ramuh in eden

[@syracurse]

@@DaddysLittlevampire666 i see what you mean and i can imagine some players having problems with the narrow camera view, honestly i've done all the fights you mentioned, but i never felt held back by the camera, but that's probably cause i just got used to it, though hopefully we get to zoom out a little bit more in DT, it would be nice if you want an ultimate gamer tip, widescreen monitors go real hard in ffxiv LOL, you can see everything 😏

[@DaddysLittlevampire666]

@@syracurse tbh that doesnt help as ffxiv limits the amount of screen you can use, my screens are large as fuck. I just think it horrible fight and combat design when its "cheating" by getting a zoom out to allow full view of the combat screen, depending on limiting how much a player can see for a fight to be hard is just bad design in my eyes.

[@syracurse]

@@DaddysLittlevampire666 i get where you are coming from and yeah, it would be nice to zoom out a little bit more and hopefully they'll adjust that for DT it's also up to everyone to decide to use 3rd party tools or not, it's a moral questions imo however there is also an abyss between what you are saying, that players use a zoom mod to see more of the arena and mechs to get a better understanding of a fight, and what this team did by zooming out to this extent, what they did is utterly unnecessary tbh and it makes the mech even harder cause you can't see anything but ants on your screen

[@evilsensei8262]

Lot of ffxiv players overhype Japanese players as honest and polite. It’s not the case at all. I find NA peeps to be the best.

[@syracurse]

i think there are honest and good people all around the world, you just have to find them! 🙂

[@kaz7886]

Me personally, i find EU the chillest, but in the end everyone has their own experiences, communities and companies.

[@syracurse]

@@kaz7886 exactly! everyone will find their place/group where they feel comfy and can fully be themselves and have an awesome time

[@zacharyhall7466]

im an american on a jp server and they're all clique-y jerks.

[@ThePageofCups]

Everyone not playing on console uses Dalamud at this point and anyone who pretends otherwise is on copium. As someone else said, the only reason camera hacks like this are even useful in the first place is because SE's designers seem to like to make things increasingly more obstructive. Not just enemy models, but the particles and indicators too. For anyone with any sort of visual impairment issues, it can be nightmarish to try to parse all of it. Making something harder by blinding you isn't really fun, it's just nonsense. Most MMOs that matter let you pull the camera back pretty far for exactly these reasons. So either you needlessly prolong prog until people with astigmatism and other visual acuity issues catch up, or you just keep your mouth shut and let them use Cammy (or equivalent) to pull the camera back 10 yards. I think this specific shot is an extreme case, and actually can be detrimental since now you can't see smaller indicators as well, but I haven't done TOP so I don't know if that matters as much. Being able to see the board when playing the game that has no fog of war just seems like a good idea regardless of the type of game it is, and saying 'nah, my arm being in the way is part of the game' is bullshit.

[@SokiHime]

Basically this. Evan 14's encounter design has been garbage from Storm blood onward And it's only gotten worse.

[@marcmad55]

Seem like you are on copium

[@ThePageofCups]

@@marcmad55 That's not how you use 'copium.' Copium is going 'but what's there is good right guys/it's working as intended hahaha!'

[@bunnywaffles898]

Come on man, that ain't chill. You can turn down the particle effects if you want using the graphics settings, and as for the camera zoom, I sure as heck don't use any mods for that junk.

[@ThePageofCups]

No, there are some particle effects you straight up can't turn off. There are also some visually disgusting things in general. P3 is an egregious example, but it's still a thing in the game that exists. Be happy your eyes work well enough that you don't have a problem. Mine don't and I do. I need a few extra yards out from my character's ass to be able to see anything or I get visually very confused with how much raw noise FF14 puts on the screen without good contrasting signposting most of the time for uh... almost three expansions now. Once again, this isn't an issue in pretty much any other MMO other than FF11 (a console MMORPG, go figure, but far less visually messy and much slower moving,) and EQOA (ditto.) FF14 is a special case because of its console-centric (and thus console performance minded) design philosophy that is still adhered to this day. The only reason you can't pull the camera back is because drawing all of the stuff on screen for a PS3 would've made it chug. There's no other practical reason. Giving the player an extra 5-10 yards or so won't change the mechanical difficulty of any of the fights. To cut off the 'you're just a WoW baby' thing that I know is going to be on someone's mind: I grew up playing MUDs and EQ1. EQ1 let you have camera angles that would pull the camera out to an entire fucking galaxy away if you wanted it to. It's simpler than that: my eyes suck. I need the extra distance. FF14 is the only extant game that matters that makes me mod for it. Old MMOs just let you pull the camera out as a matter of good, accessible design so you can see what you're doing. Action games still struggle with giving the player proper camera control to this day expressly because they need to both balance the player's field of view AND the game's performance. Some games do it better than others, but almost every good action game has good visual signposting and also expressly slow down things that are offscreen (at varying amounts) to give you time to react to them until you pan your camera to them again. That's the secret behind DMC and Souls working the way they do.

[@J-leaf]

Honestly, and I don't know if this would make me look bad. But I would totally cheat through some of the nightmare trials/raids in FFXIV. Not for the sake of community accolades or record winnings. I just want the cool glam.

[@syracurse]

generally the FFXIV community judges people who cheat quite harshly, cause by cheating you devaluate those people's achievements who accomplished XYZ legitimately with hard work, but here comes the question of what we consider legitimate and honest, and where we draw the line between cheating and "okay-to-use", and the question of what kind of cheats are we talking about...this is a difficult topic to talk about, however my advice for anyone is NOT to cheat and try to get XYZ with honest work cause then nobody can shit on you

[@syracurse]

@Roller-Blades-dg7fq that's also a good way to do stuff, as long as you do it yourself you're good!

[@syracurse]

@Roller-Blades-dg7fq eden was an awesome raid tier and I'M SO HYPED FOR THE EDEN ULTIMATE (but they'll probably fuck it up like they did with TOP)

[@Azkr-]

The people that complained about freely available, easy to access, non-harming plugins to overcome the "make every mob massive" syndrome starting with Shadowbringers, are also probably cat girl players, that sit in Limsa Thotminsa shout chat, walking around with body mods

[@syracurse]

classic mihotes smh 😔

[@imsi107]

This is such a shit take

[@Plain--Jane]

Least strawman argument

[@Azkr-]

@@Plain--Jane How about actually rebutting my argument, instead of using a buzzword and think you instantly provided something?

[@theguyacrossthetable]

​@@Azkr-if you want people to engage with your arguments then don't make up a boogeyman LMFAO If squeenix ever decides to put in some kind of anti-cheat. Those cat girls(boys) and folks who use combat plugins (you) are both dead in that scenario. It would then make sense that both groups look out for each other. They are more likely gonna be your ally. Anyways good luck to you.

[@idontmindpineappleonapizza9591]

hahahaahah