FGO Class Score & Ordeal Call EXPLAINED

[@Fgtr4Life]

In relation to story, I'd be surprised if Ritsuka doesn't end up with a Sealing Designation after restoring the world. Saving the world is one thing since you could consider it a fluke with all of Chaldea's resources. Doing it twice while not being a mage is going to really draw some eyes.

[@Slayerofall21]

Or he/she ends up becoming a Beast Or straight up dies

[@justinmmos7219]

​@@Slayerofall21 dying would be an excuse at this point considering he have almost every single servants related to death on his side

[@Fgtr4Life]

@@Slayerofall21 They're also not an enemy of humanity, and their power comes from the servants not from themselves. Though, given that he and mash are the only constants between the incineration and the lostbelts, with high ranking mages as witnesses, Ritsuka is about to be hunted for the rest of their life.

[@PureWhiteOrganism]

​@@Fgtr4Life but gudao also have servants as bodyguard, so i think mages association or sealing designation don't want to mess with gudao.

[@Slayerofall21]

@@PureWhiteOrganism Highly likely they will be dismantled and sent back to the Throne before that could happen Or Goredolf takes Ritsuka under his wing and uses his influence to negotiate with the Mage's Association to allow him/her to get away scot free

[@Ushiwakamaru_BAU_BAU]

I don't want to be over hyped but I love this to make the damage of some servants even more appealing, ofc Ushi is the main target, my goal to create the strongest Ushi ever.

[@nihilvox]

I'm with you there, friend. Only number left to raise on my own Ushi is fou paws on her second arts card. All headpats for Decapitation Doggo.

[@Fureiji88]

That's fine it's just servants in the same class all attain the same benefits

[@Ushiwakamaru_BAU_BAU]

@@nihilvox we're in the same boat then all I have left is the second arts card, 8 more weeks to finish

[@IchigoShinagami]

Can relate tbh.

[@dikaiosynidemodeus442]

Any ushi apreciator is Very wellcome, she deserves ALL headpats

[@ontime9721]

This seems super cool. I didnt really understand what Ordeal Call was supposed to be until now but looks like its a whole new system + the basis for the next story arc. Im NA only but interested in whats going on on JP, just have to dodge the big story spoilers haha.

[@ChaoticVice777]

Thanks for the explanations!

[@belleboni2016]

Thanks for this, we get a glimpse of Ordeal Call, the video is very insightful. I think this is really a good additional to the game and hope this become a success. And of course, the super generous rewards from the Devs, it's like or more of an Anniversary. Sorry it's kinda early, but I hope you make a video for NA players regarding with Ordeal Call. Example: what we need to achieve or prepare for this new game mechanics. I'm just F2P so I'm trying to min-max everything. I know it's a lot, but hope you consider. Thank you again.

[@MystFGO]

Once the mission list drops, I might do one of those in the future

[@CalderaWolf]

As much as performance would have been cool, imagine being a newer player and hearing “for X servant to loop you’ll need max append 2, and a maxed out ordeal call tree”

[@blacklusternolegs]

My main disappointment from these (and Appends) is that it gives you some nice buffs, but it doesnt fix some glaring issues a class may have. For example, Assassin and Casters low damage mod has hurt them pretty badly all this time. This could have been an opportunity to give them say a unlock near the end of the tree that improves their modifier. Overall the buffs seem fine, I might have liked a bit more np damage or some just "atk up" in there just to have the trifecta of buffs, but the cumulative values are fairly impactful.

[@TheHetzer-xy9lb]

It's possible that they could add more unique buffs later.

[@Ushiwakamaru_BAU_BAU]

That could probably happen in the future, extra classes hasn't been added yet

[@pingufan1239]

Would have loved to see them get a bit more creative with the buffs that can be given

[@SaulPrez]

Yeah like changing the damage modifier of the assassin to 1.0

[@Ashgrey0]

I do like quick having more crit damage, its developing good into its card identity as the crit card type which is usually buster

[@thegoodoldays911]

Yeah it's not like they needed to genericise everything like with append skills . I would have liked some class specific stuff.

[@astridparungao4971]

Yes, I like to see more of the creative fixes on specific classes, like for example. Casters and Assassins gets an increased innate damage modifier, Berserkers and Avengers gets increased critical star gather, and the Seven Standard classes getting an increased damage vs specific classes, to help them omni-farm more and compete against Avengers.

[@thewhyzer]

Ok, so I should start buying all monuments and statues from event shops in preparation for this already, even when I already have 100-200+ of them.

[@adrastos8401]

I love how one of the servants that gets the biggest benefit in this is Melusine, because of course she needed a buff. (She has a great crit skill but no crit up, and even if you have Lady Avalon that's a pretty big downtime on her crit damage) Now she has 30-70% crit damage available to her all the time. plus simply having a high base attack helps with every buff you get.

[@tyrantprime]

That's not a skill tree, THAT'S AN ENTIRE SKILL FOREST!!!!

[@thegoodoldays911]

I actually really like this. Other games have done systems like this before but here it's like "hey remember how chaldea is supposed to be an observatory?"

[@GeorgeMonet]

Chaldea isn't supposed to be an observatory. Rather it requires having an observatory to fulfill its mission of guarding humanity against existential threats. Chaldeas was the original observation system, but it wasn't required for Chaldea to fulfill its mission.

[@gamerwim9095]

I like that they’re exploring a new map design. Interested in seeing how they play it out

[@gamerwim9095]

This looks epic. I’m na only but man my archers foreigners and berserkers getting even stronger is great

[@draconmulvey1715]

With the name paper moon and the location being egypt I get the vibe of Khonshu, god of the moon being an important figure for the coming chapter

[@unpluggedtoaster2164]

very helpful, can't wait to make my twinks more powerful

[@hotcake1336]

about Ordeal Call quest bond points: The 2363 base bond points is huge! Normally the most efficient bond point CE setup is taking 1. a friend's 15% CE, 2. with your one and only 10% CE, 3.4.5. three 5% CEs, 6. and the only +50 bond point CE (since this is all we have). The reason for this is because on all the other free quests, base bond points is max just over 800, which means the +50 bp CE actually gives you more bond points than a 5% CE will. However, seeing as how THESE ordeal call quests base bond points are so high, the 5% CEs will in fact give you more bond points than a +50. Now keep in mind, the +50 CE costs 5 points whereas as 5% CE costs 12 points, severely limiting the number of high rarity servants you can take. With that being said, the highest bond point rate you can get with +50 CE is about 93.51 bond points per ap per servant (bp/(ap*S)) whereas the highest bond point rate you can get with 5% CE replaced is about 95.56 bond points per ap per servant (bp/(ap*S)). Either value is REALLY high, well above na's current rate of just over 56 bp/(ap*S)!!! However, it can only be done 3 times per day, so plan it out.

[@dstreetz91]

So much bond points I like that. The flat 50 bond on regular nodes is usually better than 5% bond up, but here definitely want all the bond % up you can get. At least they gave us RP if we don't have all the bond CE's in the RP shop.

[@spacesui-t]

Might be a hot take but I'm disappointed that every class has the same tree, and the buffs themselves are underwhelming. Will you even notice this 4% arts crit dmg? It looks like another giant resource sink. New missions, on the other hand, are pretty good. Also nice Sion art.

[@sezzomon6625]

It´s 40% arts crit and youre gonna feel it. I get that people are disappointed with having the same tree for every class but the buffs themselves are solid

[@spacesui-t]

@@sezzomon6625 In that case I hope they'll give us good farming nodes for materials or we'll be farming to get those buffs for the next 3 years.

[@sobokgaming8476]

@@spacesui-t”we’ll be farming to get those buffs for the next 3 years.” I think that’s kind of the point. This is a long term goal for ppl to work towards, not something you’re supposed to immediately unlock.

[@osvaldgv5790]

amazing update from Lasengle

[@Shax22132]

Thanks for the video and explanation.

[@Danothyus1]

i can see the upgrades were kinda just numbers (was not expecting anything else to be honest) but the rest of the update is looking cool, if those missions turn into some kind of rotative content that changes daily or weekly, this is some long term content to farm now.

[@freeversion825]

If rly i wanted something more unique for each class not just buffs

[@axllow3914]

Not really excited about the seemingly insane cost to unlock those upgrade nodes, but the content looks really fresh, I already cleared a couple of the free quests and I found them quite fun.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Ah, I await for this content in like a year or two.

[@banbowyt8945]

Those bond points my God

[@omega197]

That power up from command seal is appealing to lorewise accuracy ngl.

[@maliceflare]

it's a Sphere Grid. from FF X...

[@zhanglee4707]

Guess I'll need to buy the statues from events now. Been a while since we were able to farm those in the lottery.

[@mattman1684]

Finally, a place to dump all of my class pieces

[@momoblood]

In my eyes this new mechanic IT'S AMAZING, especially for people who love to use certain classes, but the let down is that working on it doesn't sound fun at all LMAO

[@hughfj08]

Looking at this and regretting not emptying event shops of statues as well over the years

[@fawkes79]

i am so glad ive been max all my servants this past year now

[@lamchan-8859]

😂 the grind keêp getting longer

[@oger3225]

Thumbnail sion looking sussy Sauce. Now.

[@Azure_fae]

I wish they would've had a mini append 2 skill in here too, they gave us some some extra attack effectiveness but a 10% starting charge would've been really nice for those servants with only a 20% battery, it would've let them have full charge with their 20% battery, 50% CE, 20% from append and 10% from here would've completed it but sadly we're still stuck in the system of anything less than 30% batteries nearly useless 9/10 times. Even 5% battery would've atleast let a MLB imaginary element start at full charge in addition to append, and it would help those very few awkward 25% batteries out too, but no, they'll just go the boring route and spread around a bunch of small buffs that basically all just add up to more unga bunga damage. Would've like to see something that gave some kind of boost based on your bond levels of servants too, kinda like Solomon had but different, it'd really make those servants you grind for and bond grail stand out alot more. but alas there's nothing unique about this other than damage boosts across the board, an end game time sink basically just to give people something to work towards while there's no events going on, they wouldn't dare be so bold as to make new comps possible or actually add something unique to the game.

[@ImortelDJ]

nice, now i m just waiting for a bond ce buff, surely it will happen at one point COPIUM

[@tincture.]

Everything about this is so cool and I love it butI do wish they made the free quest fit more to the theme of Ordeal Call. We click on a free quest on the Bleached Earth and suddenly we are fighting flying coins in a casion in Las Vegas? It would've been much cooler if they made stages set on the Bleach Earth itself, they could have had those weird remnants of buildings etc. I don't know what sort of enemies they could have put, maybe shadow Servants since the Counter Force is mad at us and is sending guardians etc? It could have been better

[@astridparungao4971]

Ah yes, the new map and arc. Ordeal Ball

[@chuaweihong2291]

I'm getting PTSD FFX skill grid system

[@muramasas1simp623]

This Update is AMAZING!

[@sparklytwinkly]

A question; do the Cardtype DMG up effects stack additively or multiplicatively with Cardtype Performance in regards to damage calculation? I'm guessing additively but then whats the difference between the two buster ones at that point? Does Buster Performance do anything but amp damage?

[@MystFGO]

They aren't performance boosters, they are just damage boosters. So gains for facecards are unaffected from those.

[@fenrir4268]

As an overwatch player at least one of my games didn’t get a scrapped skill tree and false promises lmao

[@GeorgeMonet]

Well this is all false promises. It is pathetic.

[@hokustronk64]

My extra classes... Let me Hokusai harder, game.

[@drzero7]

is this for everything? not just story but for events and CQs?

[@Vithor.G16]

Yes. It's for everything

[@Ramen-4-Life]

2,500+ BOND POINTS HOLY SH*T!!

[@xenoemblem7]

It would be cool if the more we progress, the color of the earth returns.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

Isnt this just the Sphere Grid from FFX? Lol

[@thefool8224]

well, at least i got like 7 grails out of nowhere, kinda wanted those

[@onepointsix3684]

滅(めつ) 威(い) 滅力(x 威力(o

[@MystFGO]

悪かった

[@TheFlashzie]

I read that you actually need a bunch more servants to unlock all of this.. kind of lame if we need to start pulling for gold servants we don't even want to max the class for our favorites.

[@ksj7609]

Hell no..i wont farm those things

[@SogonD.Zunatsu]

3:45 It reads iryoku not metsuryoku. 😉👍

[@chroniclej2439]

This is nice, but I still think this game has a problem with AP. These 40AP quests mean you’re only doing exactly 3 a day, and then after that only 20 AP for… maybe a single non-daily node? For as much farming as this is going to be, you can’t farm much unless you vomit up apples

[@goldentiramisu7935]

so we're finally the boss, this time?

[@LanguidWyvern]

O R D E A L B A L L

[@fgox6547]

So you're saying I can't reach to extra untile I complete the seven classes first 😮😢

[@faura4764]

Maybe you need to complete each Ordeal Call chapter to unlock Extra score, perhaps.

[@michi6486]

The cost of this new system is mental. there one tree costs probably 4 digits in both monuments stupid levels in Materials and QP and then there are at least 7 trees.... That is going to take years. I do like the white world interface but with another batch of new permanent currency FGO runs into danger of other Gatchas with so many rescources to handle and stuff on the main screen that it becomes borderline sensory overload. I hope they slim the UX down, I liked that it is fairly lean compared to other gachas

[@solitare4602]

Wow, those are some super generic and boring buffs in the new Sphere Grid. No NP Gain Up, no Starting Charge, no special attack damage, no modifier adjustments, nothing interesting. And every class has the same buffs? Why are they so afraid of doing anything interesting? I really hope they add more Appends that are unique to each Servant, like making Kiritsugu have class advantage against Casters.

[@AbdulazizOla]

Does friends’ support servants got the buff too? And if they get it, will they get my buff or my friend’s buff?

[@LEGENDSJG]

Rank s level myst tier list

[@R3zeeeee]

Wtf they have beast classes now?

[@tomaszkuras6088]

and now wait 2 years for this on na server 🙃

[@streliza8627]

lv cap is now 170!!!

[@GoobieWoobie69]

i knew it they are just decent buffs for players to min max a bit more nothing crazy but just a bit of extra damage. little disappointed i had hope they where gonna add some unique stuff but oh well. also hoped for something that helps farming since its 99% of the game

[@not.a.bot.]

Bhima where

[@ionzapada7524]

It's remind me of Dokkan system

[@TheLonelyMoon]

waiting for extra class, my arcueid demands more atk 🗿

[@hazavair5755]

This is an unbelievable timesink and resource sink for minor damage upgrades. Holy shit how did they steal the worst ideas from other games, instead of fixing the 'if an enemy crits twice on a person they're close to dead' design of the game.

[@GeorgeMonet]

I would like to see some actual free use abilities, ie spells for Goduka to use that would do things like remove break bars, make permanent unremovable buffs removable, give a free extra turn, give a bonus defensive turn that you can use when the mob activates NP which allows you to take action before the NP takes effect, force mobs to deal normal damage instead of using a skill or NP, redirect damage, etc. Frankly this system is just pathetic. Incredibly uncreative and entirely pointless.

[@howcuteprez4417]

FGO x PoE

[@kyubbikcat2281]

Overwatch 2 players in shambles mate.

[@aikawa-kun9871]

Sandy moment.

[@jonathanlam7721]

holy shit

[@sezzomon6625]

I think this system is extremely nice to have and fun working towards but I´m really fed up with the FGO community complaining about "hehe FGO dead game" and then complain about having such a big update as well (atleast from what I´ve seen in some comment sections and Reddit). Seems like all we are good for nowadays is complaining.

[@alsha1243]

It can be better tho.. like fixing assassin and caster mod issues. And almost 99% sure that they'll abandon this stuff for the next 3 years just like "we're trying to fix coins system" bs Besides, this is just grinding fest just like any other JRPG before, it's not groundbreaking

[@sezzomon6625]

@@alsha1243 I get the complain about them all being the same, but everything else makes no sense. You complain about grinding in a game that's 90% of grinding. This is a longtime progressionsystem. You're not supposed to finish this tomorrow. Also how are they gonna abandon it? It will get more quests overtime (probably with story releases) and other than that it's a completed system. There's nothing there to even abandon.

[@alsha1243]

@@sezzomon6625 yeah it's grinding for sure.. but for negligible 10% facecard buff? really? feels like commitment that ends on nothing. remember gold paws? fou? sticker? coins system? i mean in terms of improvement, they just leave them as is.. if anything CC are the real long-term QoL in combat. assassin and caster pretty much still have shxtty mod.

[@sezzomon6625]

@@alsha1243 This system gives quite some good buffs and is already fully implemented into the game outside of the extra classes. There's still not really much to abandon if they give us the extra class trees with future story... I feel like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Maybe because they never fix the real issues. This system is pathetic. Just a huge resource and time sink for nothing of value. I would get more out of story replay than this shit.

[@justanothershrimp1908]

The class upgrade thing is kinda underwhelming, but the rest of the update is 10/10

[@sezzomon6625]

7 skilltrees to work on with quite some decent buffs is underwhelming? Why does the community complain every time FGO brings out actual content?

[@sobokgaming8476]

@@sezzomon6625I’ve seen a lot of ppl say that “it’s too costly.” But like, doesn’t that actually give you something to do in game??? This seems like something that will be a goal to work towards for a very long time for a lot of players.

[@momoblood]

@@sobokgaming8476 If you think about it in a long term i'll will be just mindless farming which will become repetitive for each class. That's the boring part, the reward won't give the funny tingles after a while unlike mindless farming for the 120 level or maxing individual skills, it's not that is a bad add up ITS AMAZING but the road to archive it wont be fun.

[@sobokgaming8476]

@@momoblood That’s more of an overall game issue. They do not seem to know how to release permanent content that does not involve grinding.

[@momoblood]

@@sobokgaming8476 Kinda hard, because aside from grinding what else could everyone do? Super hard buff quest that only meta users could do? That would left frustrated a lot of people, it's ok that its like that in my opinion but for us veterans its not exciting :(