When Everyone Schools The Judoka - Judo Loses To TKD And Wrestler

[@HungarianWarHorse]

As someone who fights in full contact medieval armored combat Judo is easily the most effective grappling art. When youre wearing 60+ lbs of armor all the shooting for the legs and freestyle shots go out the window and it becomes all about trips and throws

[@FightCommentary]

That’s super interesting!

[@Slyfox1775]

Yeah , don’t see that being practical for 99.9 percent of people

[@HungarianWarHorse]

@Slyfox1775 point being, if youre wearing heavy gear or your opponent has a weapon, police or military, shooting low is a bad idea

[@paparadeliko]

I can see it working amazingly there, but we r talking about unarmed combat, hand to hand fighting. But With some adjustments it could work to be fair, sometimes in mma u see some judo stuff

[@HungarianWarHorse]

@@paparadeliko islam and fedor are great examples of judo translated to mma

[@HungarianWarHorse]

1:37 the judoka rolled over the throw to protect his training partner showing great control. He could have just as easily landed on him but as this seems like a friendly spar he didnt want to hurt the tkd fighter

[@benpurcell591]

@@HungarianWarHorse was going to comment the same thing. It looked like he was just throwing him on his back for ippon and then rolling over to be nice.

[@obiwanquixote8423]

@@HungarianWarHorse this right here. In almost every instance a person rolls through a throw, they have the option to just drive into their partner and land on them.

[@MaxLohMusic]

It's not just a binary choice between landing on him vs rolling through (in fact, landing *on* the opponent, while it looks cool, is very bad for MMA and BJJ because you can still get rolled over pretty easily). In this case, the uchi mata was so perfectly done that he was balanced enough to just stay standing or at least go to knee on belly. What happened was he chose to roll through because that's the right thing to do in the Judo ruleset. It takes at most a day of training to solidify a minor correction to his habit to make it work for this situation and let him stay on top.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@MaxLohMusic If a Judoka is being rolled over even on landing, its because they're not in actual control. With actual control and intent, its very hard to roll out of a throw. I think the judoka here only rolled because that's the nice thing to do. Landing on people is very mean especially on those that can't fall well.

[@bjarneschmalbach1524]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de Landing on the person isn't "mean". It's the normal thing to do when you need to keep control on the ground as you should in MMA/BJJ, and even in Judo whenever it is not Ippon. Rolling through really only happens in practice or when you are 100% sure that it was Ippon.

[@irbrathwaite]

TKD didn't "flip the Judoka over". The Judoka executed the throw & the momentum rolled him thru. Modern/Olympic Judo is generally only concerned with the throw/ippon. They often spend very little time on the "leave"/after throw position as action is usually stopped at this point.

[@FightCommentary]

That’s super interesting!

[@paparadeliko]

Too bad this translates horribly to actual fighting

[@DDJaxon5]

It so the judoka don’t directly land on the opponent on the ground after they threw them. Prevent injury

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@paparadelikoHow so? Throws often end fights, and in a real life scenario I’d rather throw a person, roll, and run, then have to maintain control of them.

[@elenchus]

@@michaelterrell5061 it doesn't seem like throws often end fights. Very few (albeit non-zero) judoka are injured by throws in competition, and likewise we see almost no (again, not quite zero) MMA fighters KOed/TKOed from the throw. The odds of KOing someone who isn't trained on a hard surface (granted, a hard surface is not a given; people do walk on grass or carpet in addition to concrete) likely goes up, but I would not assume it to be over 50%. There is another problem with judo as a sport in the context of groundfighting, which is that at high levels, all throws are de facto sutemi (sacrifice) throws; some judoka will come on and correct me on my taxonomy, but I'm using this term loosely. Most techniques at high level judo competition require the thrower to go to the ground with the throwee, and you see that in this video as well, so the judoka are basically asking for a groundfighting match even when they win standup. In traditional judo, the goal was to stay standing and throw the opponent to the ground, but if you were to follow them down, judo throws were intended to lead directly into pins like kesa gatame. That seems to have shifted over time.

[@MaxLohMusic]

In the uchi mata against taekwondo, he was balanced enough to stay on top but actually chose to roll through because that's the right thing to do in the Judo ruleset. Since this wasn't one of those halfway uchi matas where he would've been forced to roll through and end up on bottom, I'd say that was a good throw and requires only a tiny basic modification to stay on top. The surprise leaping osoto at 2:24 was very good technique (same as the UFC highlights, and pretty much the opposite of how it's traditionally drilled). It would've worked on most freestyle wrestlers because they don't see it very often (in fact, that should've been his FIRST move against Taekwondo guy), but this one escaped because he recognized it and respected it early instead of waiting until it was too late. That's the first clue this wrestler is probably more diverse than a typical freestyle wrestler we're used to. The 2nd clue is the wrestler grabbed a guillotine instead of head-and-arm, and guillotines are illegal in freestyle to my knowledge. And the third, of course, is that the subtitles are in Korean, where Judo is extremely popular, so this probably isn't the wrestler's first rodeo against a Judo guy.

[@combine8269]

Osoto is pretty hard to land in nogi due to lack of grips but you do see trips, reaps, etc in wrestling -- just not very common due to how much more slippery everything is. I doubt its efficacy against good wrestlers with the way the judoka set it up. It's also important to note that the wrestler did not attack a guillotine, rather a front headlock (which happens to be a completely different technique from a head-and-arm..) Front headlock is legal in all major forms of wrestling: folk, free, and Greco-Roman. It's differentiated from a guillotine by having an arm in. It can be used to attack go-behinds, cradles, ankle picks, gator rolls, etc. The wrestler does not intend to set up a choke with the front headlock. Instead you see him snatch a cradle and launch opp with a high amplitude throw, worth 5 points, into a pin. All very standard freestyle wrestling. The third "clue" that you presuppose is in direct contradiction with the first. If they are in Korea, where Judo is popular, then it can be reasonably assumed that wrestlers and judokas cross train in one another's styles, thus providing the average Korean freestyle wrestler familiarity with judo's lower body attacks.

[@MaxLohMusic]

@@combine8269 if you doubt the efficacy of that exact set up, look up UFC or Pride highlight reels of osoto gari. This setup works from striking distance and is best when the opponent expects a strike. There are at least 2-3 documented cases of this on KZbin alone; it's not exactly high percentage against world class fighters but definitely very high percentage against normal people in MMA rules, medium percentage in a grappling ruleset. The wrestler did not have an arm in during the "headlock"; that's exactly why I called it a "guillotine" position, not because of an actual choke of course but because of the lack of an arm which is illegal in many wrestling rulesets. Edit: Upon re-watching, it only appears that way in the beginning, and he eventually gets the arm in. So, now that I think about it, maybe one hand on the neck is legal (chin strap) in which case I shouldn't have said it's illegal in that ruleset. Your third point is saying almost the same as what I said. A wrestler in Korea who knows some Judo is probably not what the average viewer of this channel thinks of when hearing the word wrestler.

[@garyhoang9923]

I've been boxing for almost a decade and recently switched to judo. One thing I noticed is the lack of head movement in judo, which makes sense since there's no striking involved. Also, because of IJF rules, judokas are taught not to aim for their opponent's legs so must be awkward facing wrestlers.

[@AnGhaeilge]

Us old school judoka trained with leg attacks. I started training judo in early 00's. We learned double legs, fireman carry's, etc..

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

Yup I'm a judoka as well and the techniques taken from judo has weakened it alot. We need to be a combat art first and reconsider the sport part.

[@thecollector6746]

Nearly ever clip on KZbin of Taekwondo and Wreslters vs Judo has the Taekwondo and Wreslters getting dropped or choked out....but we are going to pretend that this one outlier is now the rule. FOH.

[@elenchus]

That's why we look at the totality of the evidence. No single datapoint is determinative. That said, we cannot only examine those fights that reinforce the preexisting belief about a style.

[@patootie3529]

um, what videos have you been watching? because I've watched tons of these and wrestlers usually win because they are just FAR more versatile in their grappling than judo. judo would usually only win when their opponent has a gi. every vid I've seen where the wrestler would do a single leg or double leg takedown they have trouble with because they've never trained to defend from those as much as other wrestlers do but even a greco roman wrestler when they slam a judo practitioner they don't know how to defend against it at all once they have been grabbed a hold on. also watched strikers vs judo... they get beaten hard plus guy in the video is an Olympic judo dude and is EXTREMELY skilled and incomprehensible to anyone else who isn't at his level at how skilled he actually is at judo, yet he wasn't doing very well in this video. this is why MMA is king. versatility is king

[@k9m42]

@@patootie3529You are just wrong and this video is just silly. We have wrestlers come I our club all the time and until they learn for at least 6 months to a year they are thrown and choked out. Majority of videos show the same. Gi doesn’t make much of a difference, under hook,over hook, grab a shirt doesn’t matter all the same.

[@maestro9765]

Like what? Where is it? I mean I can at least imagine one or two instances of a TKD guy getting choked/armbarred, but never a wrestler.

[@thecollector6746]

@@maestro9765 Because for some reason you can't type "Judo vs Wrestling" in KZbin's search bar ?

[@badfoody]

ah yes, let's judge the entire Judo martial art based on one guy. typical internet

[@kevthegoat8774]

That guy is an Olympic bronze Medalist

[@patootie3529]

from an olympic competitor? sure buddy

[@kevthegoat8774]

@@patootie3529 What?

[@maestro9765]

This is far from the only video showing the limitations of Judo against other martial arts/combat sports.

[@JohnHenryDavisTheThird1987]

Without submissions such as joint locks and strangling holds being allowed in a sport fight, Wrestling beats Judo every single time. Literally any day of the week. This is coming from a fan of Kano Jigoro, the founder of Judo, too. I also admire Kyuzo Mifune but just like the Bruce Lee and his Jeet Kune Do system, I am finding the novelty of Judo to be wearing off, but I will never forget what I have learned from the many ways of how to obtain an armlock or a stranglehold due to Judo Newaza. Also, let's not forget: The Gracie family still beat a lot of Judokas in history, especially in powerful MMA organizations like the UFC, in spite of the honest truth that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu comes from Judo.

[@elenchus]

During my first college degree I took up yoseikan budo, which as I've explained, is basically a combination of old school aikido and old school judo. After I graduated I moved off to another university for the second degree and joined the local judo club, a fairly prestigious standalone org that had two Olympians there while I was training. Not too long after I started, I was in free randori against some comparably-ranked student and it went to the ground. I immediately grabbed one of my favorite submissions, the straight ankle lock, and tapped him. He was annoyingly pleased with himself and exclaimed "you just lost by DQ!" It's funny to think about how ignorant I was at the time; it didn't even occur to me that leg locks could be banned in a judo school. I really didn't know much about these styles beyond my own esoteric training and just assumed it was all pretty much the same. Regardless, it revealed to me a totally different mindset between my style and his, namely the focus on scoring and things like that. Where I came from, if you submitted the opponent you won; where he came from, winning was defined a very narrow set of arbitrary circumstances that may or may not relate to real-world conditions. His view wasn't wrong, although I thought it was at the time, we just had different objectives for our martial arts training. He no doubt wanted to succeed in amateur judo competitions, where he would likely have outperformed me, and I just wanted to learn how to defeat an opponent in the broadest set of circumstances I could. Love of sport isn't a problem, it's probably more like a feature, it's just not something I've ever personally had. Still, it was hard for me to relate to someone that was excited that he basically just got his leg broken if we were to translate this to the real world. I didn't stick with it. To that end, sometimes I think that asking whether a given sport-emphasizing martial art is "effective" in a fight or not is almost like asking whether tennis is effective in a fight. Judo has probably the best reputation of any TMA in the world, but even so, a lot of people play judo the way other people play tennis, and that's the extent of their interest.

[@AnGhaeilge]

He didn't flip the judoka over at 1:38. That's normal in judo to roll through the throw.

[@sfkingalpha]

I can see the judoka grab a non-existent sleeve on that drop seoi

[@FightCommentary]

He has it in his muscle memory 😎😝

[@NickKano11]

@@FightCommentary I honestly think he's never fought without the gi before. I'm hardly elite and Drop Seoi is my go to without the gi.

[@sugoi9680]

I see you watching sfk

[@EnMiHomeStudio]

Yeah, Judo's effectiveness has been screwed by the IJF in exchange for visual appeal. But as u said, we are half way there; a couple of months in wrestling or BJJ would do the trick.

[@jc5754]

I saw the original videos and i feel this video is disengenious, it wasn't MMA, it was two different styles with agreed upon rules, according to the rules with the Taekwondo guy, judo won, and with the wrestler, it was wrestling rules and there is a part 2 where they do judo rules, has judo been refused to a sport yes, but these videos are not the best if you want to do honestly

[@elenchus]

the extra context might be helpful, but I think the thrust of the video's commentary is that the judoka just underperformed, regardless of whether he technically won or not. Judoka have a reputation for steamrolling strikers (at least those that have no grappling crosstraining) and generally tapping wrestlers, although it's a lot closer in wrestling vs. judo, so this is a counterexample of that reputation/belief.

[@dhimankalita1690]

Man he is just uploading it fir views because his earlier video of judo vs box got so many views.

[@elenchus]

@@dhimankalita1690 Well yeah, he's a KZbinr. He's going to want to release videos people want to watch.

[@elenchus]

@@thunderkatz4219 what do you mean?

[@esferademanu]

I give like, not for the Judoka, but for the haircut

[@ssths]

Maaannnn, 2024 is not the year to be a Judoka. Their art is getting DUNKED on lately. Imagine a world where the martial arts bros start seeing Judo as less "effective" than Taekwondo.

[@slothmaster101]

They deserve it. I love Judo, but Judokas have been acting like they're unbeatable, as of late.

[@thecollector6746]

LOL....were you having several simultaneous strokes when you posted this ? daf*ck are you talking about "Their art is getting DUNKED on lately" ?

[@michaelterrell5061]

And they can keep at it if they want. Three videos are not enough to delegitimize a martial art.

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@slothmaster101Like who?

[@elenchus]

it's mainly this one guy it seems like

[@tactusxii]

Getting hit and not getting hurt is an art that must be mastered

[@ViralSmilist]

Its an underrated technique Good to see someone appreciates it

[@SS.LiuRyan]

2:43 its not a guillotine its a front headlock or front cover. not allowed to choke in wrestling

[@a5noble2]

The judo guy hit the TKD guy with an Uchi Mata throw and the TKD guy landed square on his back. Most likely he didn't want to fall on top of him since thats normally the end of the match. Thats probably why it looked like the TKD guy flipped him back over at the very end.

[@Ultradude604]

I think this is not a "fight". This is a game where you score within the rules of your own sport. The judoka takes TKD down, that's a point and it pauses the match. Judoka doesn't worry about the other guy getting on top because the match stops after the takedown unlike a MMA fight which doesn't have any such stoppage. The wrestler doesn't choke with the guillotine because that's not allowed to do in the sport... etc.

[@maxisalas5249]

I have a question, if there isn't a submission or a knock out, then what happens in a mma match? I'll tell u what, a judge says who wins, can u tell me how they decide that? Maybe u can clarify hahaha

[@Majin_Doh]

Judoka is like “hey where are the shidos?”

[@FightCommentary]

What's a big penalty called in Judo?

[@thejudgester97]

@@FightCommentary Penalties are called "shido" in competition. You can get away with 2 of them, but you'll be disqualified upon committing a 3rd shido (disqualification is called "hansoku make")

[@ChefChrisASMR]

What you’re looking for seems to be more of the throw and control. A French judoka taught me I should land in a pin. This judoka seems to not have studied any method of using judo in a no gi situation.

[@NickKano11]

Few comments as a Judoka 1) when the Judoka "got thrown by the TKD" fighter. The Judoka actually overcommitted to the throw and hence why the TKD fighter landed on top. This is a common feature of modern day Judo to ensure the Ippon. Make your own judgement there. 2) I'd say he's never taken the gi off before. That drop Seoi attempt had no chance as he had no control on the arm and upper body. 3) IJF Judo has limited the types of opposition we're likely to face. Judokas should be testing themselves in other environments. Don't be afraid to occasionally take off the gi or put on some gloves.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

When i was BJJ guy i cross trained at a very old school judo place. Lots of no gi sparring/randori and they still did leg attacks

[@davidm2843]

Devil's advocate here. "Judokas should be testing themselves in other environments." Why? Judoka have plenty of competition available to them, all the way from club, local, regional, national, continental, world and olympic levels. It is a widely practiced sport with lots of people to compete against and opportunities to do so. If I was a competitive judoka, why would I need to test myself in other environments? If I was young and ambitious, the pinnacle of the olympics is right there as something to aim for. Why do I need to train against other styles, when I can test myself plenty against other practitioners of my sport? Should NFL players test themselves against Rugby players? I mean, the sports are kind of similar, right?

[@NickKano11]

@@davidm2843 depends on your interests. If your interest starts and ends with winning Judo matches, fine, all the more power to you. If you’re also interested however in your Judo being effective in other scenarios, then we should challenge ourselves against wrestlers and strikers. You learn about the gaps in your game, and you only benefit from facing as many different types of opponents as possible

[@davidm2843]

@@NickKano11 there are already plenty of avenues for competitive judoka to identify gaps in their game, without cross training. I understand what you are saying, but your statement is more absolute than it need be. Judoka may wish to cross train, but a lack of cross training in no way inhibits them. How much cross training do you think Teddy Riner does?

[@neokimchi]

1:06 the timing on that correction 😂

[@ssths]

lol the Judoka messed up that throw cuz he forgot there was no Gi to grab onto. He just slips right off 😂😂😂

[@elenchus]

that and a lot of people who are used to gi fighting think they can grab a wrist easily, for instance, not understanding that the grip is much looser and with sweat it's not very reliable. He might have felt he had a grip but it wasn't strong enough.

[@thesensei]

Nah, that judoka was just not a good representative. He never trained without the gi, never trained against strikes, doesn’t seem to know much about the ground game. He’s just a recreational “purist” though a true judo purist would know some ground fighting…but yeah. Most other judoka, myself included, would’ve had answers for the single leg attempts from wrestler. Not to mention, we do newaza (ground fighting) and can choke and armbar. So this guy just wasn’t the best representative. It happens. There are other videos of good judoka mauling good wrestlers. As for the TKD guy, judoka successfully threw him twice but did it in the competition style “rolling ippon” which in judo that would’ve scored even though it looks like the other guy rolled him over.

[@davidm2843]

Olympic bronze medallist, but sure... Judo without the gi isn't Judo, competitive Judo doesn't include striking. Quite why you think an athlete at the olympic level would be spending his valuable training time preparing for such irrelevancies is beyond me.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Since when has it become diss on Judo day? Considering all the videos of Judo winning in your channel, I'd say we're quite fine. Not perfect, but nothing is except MMA and even then. Too many people out here trying to tell us what's wrong with our sport without actually training in it. Anything you can level against Judo can be levelled against other styles.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

I think judo adapted for self defense > fighting habits exhibited by many (not all) MMA fighters. Ultimately MMA is a sport, Judo is mostly used as sport but has a non sport side. Sport means the goal is domination at any cost, whereas self defense is about options, non committal moves, short time windows and escape

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@emilianosintarias7337 Nah. An MMAist is by far the most complete of all options and as much as I love Judo, its specialised style. MMAists can be self defence adapted too, and when done they're very capable in most situations. Doesn't hurt that your MMA game can use Judo moves either.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de that's not how human bodies work. any mma fighter will get worse at MMA as he gets better at self defense, just as a marathoner will get worse the more he trains sprinting.

[@frankiesfastcooking6027]

I am Juduka for 28 years and there is a difference in training from when I started judo to now. I competed when leg grabs was legal so we had a variety of counters and attacks grabbing the legs. Also, what saw in this video these Judukas don’t train with no GI which myself and many others now do.

[@SelectsCanneberges]

"Judo For Mixed Martial Arts: Parisyan, Karo, Krauss, Erich" One of the most valuable books I own. Techniques work even when you have a gi.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@davidm2843]

"What happened to modern Judo?" They are practicing Judo, mostly. What is it you want from them? Theres plenty of Judo competition at all levels, all the way up to the Olympics, thats what competitive judoka train for. If judoka want to be effective in multi-style fighting, they need to cross train, but then thats not Judo any more. This looks like a bit of a friendly cross-training spar more than anything else, even then, the Judoka scored 2 clean ippon throws on the TKD guy versus the 2 clean strikes TKD guy landed. The roll-over from the Uchimata shouldn't count. It wouldn't have been scored in competition anyway, and the guy rolled out clearly to be considerate of Uke. He got outwrestled by a superior wrestler though, certainly. The lack of a gi is hard to adjust to. I know all about this as I switched to nogi BJJ from Judo.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Someone that gets it. Too much ignorance about Judo here. No, Judo is not some magic button that will beat all martial arts. But its strong for what it is and there's a reason why its so. Its not dead or even useless.

[@kevintse2870]

As a judoka I’m not sure what you were laughing at half the time. Yes he called for a time out in the beginning against TKD but after that it was clearly one sided for Judoka against TKD. TKD did what every novice does which is pretend they countered the judoka when they didn’t. All the impact was taken by TKD and if judoka didn’t think he definitively won then he would have pinned his opponent so hard that it becomes a submission. Against the wrestler he did lose and it actually was one sided but the only true “own” was the weird flip and pin. It’s not embarrassing to attempt an attack and not get it. Getting your leg grabbed isn’t losing in judo so that’s why judoka DGAF when wrestler grabbed his legs. Admittedly he competed in a period when groundwork was highly highly discouraged which explains why he DGAF about getting his back taken either, he was just running out of the mat to stop the match. I know because I neglected my ground game for the first 7 years because if someone got my back I could get a reset by climbing off the mat. But when rules changed in 2017, I was losing by pin and submission all the time so I had to supplement with BJJ.

[@JohnHenryDavisTheThird1987]

I'm glad that MMA, Mixed Martial Arts for the civilized viewers who have never fought in their whole lives, exists after seeing this. I was working on the athletic project of becoming a World-Class Champion in Judo but now...I change my mind. I'm a fan of Judo but it's not the be all, end all of scientific wrestling(or "grappling," if that's the word that is preferred to be used.) Now, I will be training in the complete unarmed combat system of Mixed Martial Arts and maintain the motivation I have from Judo training because of MMA organizations like the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

[@ssths]

the wrestler does a lot of things that would knock him out if he tried them on a hard surface.

[@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207]

It's a front headlock and the move shortly after that was a cradle.

[@joaoguilhermebastos519]

High quality TKD displayed, and how polite. A full blown kick to the chest/abdomen is all it takes, but there was none, he just told "i got ya" with the feet. Got a bit disappointed the taekwondist left judoka grapple unpunished, i expected some of those beautiful mondollyo huryeo that he used to scare. Good performance nevertheless

[@elenchus]

that is a very high commitment analogy. Commit to the bit. Respect.

[@zhanibek_kk]

I don’t love this “grappler can’t strike” rule. There was a boxing vs. wrestling video a while back that had the same restriction and the same result. You need strikes, even bad ones, to close the distance. These videos are creating an unrealistic picture of how strikers would do in these situations.

[@guynamedlyder]

I like the hair part lol. Easy to understand the Judo circumstance now.

[@ulysses-pact]

Apparently, drop seoi nage is a good setup for an elbow strike

[@elenchus]

Partially this is because TKD is underrated, partially it's because the judoka is just so afraid of being hit, but he's ostensibly just trained for such a narrow set of circumstances that he's basically a fish out of water anywhere else. You can see how he's trying to learn no gi grips in real time, and failing, against the wrestler, just sliding off.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

The judo guy didn't try very hard to get ahold of the tkd. Plus him wearing protective gear looks like he was being an uki.

[@DelioDAnna-u5r]

The wrestler should have worn a gi so that the judoka could use all his techniques, same as judoka was wearing headgear and body protection. Apart from that, judo nowadays does not do leg takedowns so......wrestler has mor eoptions

[@peteweller8891]

There's plenty of great judokas but this guy in particular seems to struggle against opponents without sleeves/tops. There's a divide with modern judokas, too, the one who can work/defend lower body and ones can't. Best judokas can throw you every which way, with or without sleeves/tops; upper or lower body

[@davidm2843]

@@peteweller8891 no gi means no Judo. It amazes me that people are surprised that Judo players aren't any good at something they don't train for.

[@munkhtulgabattogtokh1602]

You know you made it when everyone is challenging and hating. Judo is clearly the champion being challenged 😀

[@willemdafo2241]

At 2:37, the shoot wrestler does what's called a 'front chin lock'. *Hulk Hogan famously instantly put unconscious Richard Belzer, with it on his show*. It's also a set up for all kinds of maneuvers. At 2:48, in shoot wrestling, he does what's called a 'fisherman throw/suplex'. He then keeps him pinned ( you always keep top control in wrestling), wrestler hooks his opponents legs with his own, turning it into a type of pin called a 'small package'.

[@FightCommentary]

Very cool! Thanks for the names!

[@Totesnumber1fan]

That is not a front chin lock that's a head lock a front chin lock is when you crank the adversary neck to the side it's a submission this is a front headlock

[@Totesnumber1fan]

When you do a front chin lock you put the blade of your forearm across his chin and grab his arm or his back and lock your arms Front headlock is under the chin and lock your hand at his armpit

[@PhilipAJones]

Sparred a couple of TKD guys before (I'm a Karateka), getting a spinning kick to the hand is no joke. Makes your next couple weeks really annoying.

[@SS.LiuRyan]

i fought a judoka as a wrestler and tkd guy and i immediately went for the same single leg haha

[@SuperSneakySteve]

The wrestler move was called the cradle. Judo used to have leg attacks but they were taken out when a Mongolian was beating all the Japanese. They always change the rules instead of evolving the sport so Japan always wins.

[@erickl3780]

The surplax he said is not a surplax its more lock a body lock throw which will give you 5 points straight into a cradle. I wrestle so I do know what talking about.

[@tichtran664]

Look more like a Perfect Plex by Curt Henning "Mr. Perfect". Pro wrestling evolved from catch wrestling ancestor of both freestyle wrestling and pro wrestling.

[@xanderellingson3376]

wrestler wasn't telegraphing his attacks he was feinting to setup for his takedowns

[@sway71]

I'm so surprised that Judoka kept getting taken by the single legs. Sumi gaeshi and uchi mata are super easy to use as counters to a single leg (I say this as someone not very experienced in Judo who hits those all the time on wrestlers that are much more experienced). I guess he just focuses on other techniques?

[@bytor754]

Great Craddle! OSS

[@sodateke]

It's called a cradle, it's used to pin the opponent in wrestling

[@Hunter_EagleConsumesSerpent]

that wrestling move is called cradle

[@Seven-not-Six]

The half haircut takes guts. But no. Unless it's a statement/philosophy or some kind of social experiment.. I wouldn't recommend leaving it the way it was👍. Then again. If it suits you ... I can deal with it. If you pull your fingers up and back towards the arm... That's what happened when TKD kicked his hand. It wasn't a proper block is all

[@JohnHenryDavisTheThird1987]

Ahh....it's happening again.....just like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was figured out in Modern UFC, now it's Judo's turn to be completely figured out....even though the Gracie family already figured it out a long time ago before most mixed martial artists and traditional martial artists caught on to Judo's methodology.

[@user-bd5ef2xv9l]

It’s because judo doesn’t have any explosive way of closing distance because stalling is banned and the fights rely on people extending their arm and grabbing a grip. Judo is great if they can get ahold of you but it’s one of the worst arts to teach you how to get ahold of someone

[@M_K-Bomb]

2:43 I think it's a gator lock. That's what I heard Randy Couture refer to it as. It might be used as a gator roll to turn them over, but it can be altered to a guillotine choke I think.

[@Acedscy]

That's what happened when IJF make funny rules and ban leg grabbing techniques

[@matthewbrogdon2335]

2:55 been a while but I'm pretty sure that's a cradle. Don't know the exact variation though

[@junichiroyamashita]

Is a cradle basically a pin while you are entangled with someone? Like, a jointlock done with the entire body?

[@matthewbrogdon2335]

@@junichiroyamashita A cradle is a hold used to immobilize, there's no hyperextension involved. iirc you wrap your arms around a leg and the shoulder opposite to their leg, clasp your hands and squeeze to pin their knee to their chest so they can't post with it and roll them towards that side and maintain the hold once you've brought them to their back.

[@junichiroyamashita]

@@matthewbrogdon2335 so,they are the same of Osaekomi Waza in judo. They are an hold-down, but not a pin with both shoulders?

[@matthewbrogdon2335]

I don't know names of judo moves/positions but yes I believe it's not a pin with both shoulders and just a hold down. I just remember it being a way to score extra points and make you feel like you're in wwe. But i think there's some practical utilization of it in bjj

[@SeboJ-i9l]

"judo is the best martial art" - someone born in 2013 who has never done Martial arts

[@gideonekpenyong9768]

One thing people seem not to understand is, there is traditional Judo and there is Sports Judo, just like you have in Karate. You can't use traditional Judo in sports because of the dangers involved while using it. The reason why you have most Judokas aim for the sleeves is because they follow some rules that they apply to the sports. The real problem here is not many people teach traditional Judo, everyone is learning the sports version. This guy wasn't taught to use Judo in other ways except grab the sleeves. I would love to watch the wrestling guy fight someone who is well vested in Judo not this joker.

[@kevintse2870]

TKD didn’t flip judoka over. Judokas like to overthrow as a flair.

[@ztrewqqwertz8997]

Would be nice to see a younger Judoka competing. Ok he is very skilled and is olympic bronze winner. And i respect him. But this kind of sport leaves traces and needs a lot of athleticism. Compete against guy who are 10 years younger isn't a fair comparison imho.

[@The31st]

If the wrestler had a gi it would have been a totally different story. If you aren't trained to remove those grips you ain't getting them off.

[@boomslang2681]

The judoka never practiced no gi judo. They should get a judoka with excellent no gi skills

[@PaladinJackal]

No way he doesn't know what a front headlock is or how it's wrestling 101.

[@mikea7732]

Wrestlers do upper body takedowns too

[@AndyBaedal]

wth is wrong with your hair cut bruh?!! ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@Gunnar-Peterson]

Judo is not a very practical martial art, it's limited by it's ruleset and reliance on the gi. If you want to learn the ground game learn BJJ, if you want to learn takedowns then train wrestling. That 'guillotine' attempt is a snap down or headlock control

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

No martial art is independent from its ruleset. People wear clothes in real life, and gi grips can translate to those. Its more unrealistic to defend yourself against an assailant in spandex. BJJ lacks Judo's standup game. Wrestling has absolutely no submissions. You can learn both and put them together sure... but you can also learn judo.

[@SS.LiuRyan]

as a wrestler and a tkd guy i think the judoka woulda won every match it allowed newaza (ground work). olympics have ruined judo. no leg grabs and no striking and minimal ground work as well as rolling thru on the takedown. the judoka could 100% land on his opponent he was just being nice tho

[@wesleyjackson7487]

it really depends on what type of wrestling the wrestler has trained in there also catch wrestling shoot wrestling which is a off shoot of catch and in brazil they have luta livre all of which have submissions and catch guys are really good with leg locks which judo don't normally train to deal with since leg locks a banned in judo competition there more styles of wrestling then just freestyle and greco roman

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Judo barely had any striking, its not even worth mentioning. Judo actually has more ne-waza than you might think, and quite a few victories in this Olympics were won the ground. Rolling through the takedown is just good manners. A good judoka can absolutely land on someone if they wanted to... but why would you in this sort of friendly game?

[@ThePhilstore]

How did the judoka lose? He didn't get knocked out and proceeds to take down and pin the tkd fighter.. In the streets that would of been the end of the fight right there

[@nicholasmessina6406]

It was a front headlock. Not a choke

[@oddollinvol]

I feel like if a use the shoulder grab and use different moves then the ones he tried to use he probably could have got the wrestler there a little bit more of a challenge

[@uberdonkey9721]

Not sure what this video was. Judo guy was like just taking it. I know wrestling could probably beat Judo, but Taekwondo? I'm guessing maybe the sports aspect of Judo meant this guy didn't realise he just had to run in at the start. Pretty weak and I think would have been different with a different Judoka.

[@johnmcintosh8673]

I would not have used the word 'scared', apprehensive maybe?

[@Totesnumber1fan]

Front headlock and cradle those are the wrestling moves

[@douglasmacneil4474]

If they aren't allowed to strike, of course they will lose... That said, Olympic Judo is very bad compared to non-Olympic Judo.

[@tichtran664]

The wrestler did what WWE called perfect plex. By Mr.Perfect Curt Henning.

[@FightCommentary]

That's so cool! thanks for the move name!

[@raymondc8156]

2:39 it would just be called a snapdown to front headlock

[@mrt862]

I like these videos man. They're fun but definitely not useful to compare sports. It's like asking which is better between rugby and footy in a street sport style match... who cares lol. No-one is practicing these sports to become the most complete street fighter in the world. Judo, tkd, wrestling, bjj etc are sports based on a martial arts. Like any sport, if you practice it, you will get better at it. The judo v wrestler were playing wrestling... of course the wrestler will have the better chance to win at wrestling and the judoka will be ok at it. Same thing in reverse and against other sports. 99.9% of judo, wrestling etc athletes practice judo as a sport, not even thinking about self defense or fighting. It's just fun to do. But after 10yrs in any sport you should be able to take care of yourself in the imaginary scenario fair 1v1 street fight against an untrained noob. Again, who cares, it's probably never happening anyway I want to see more of these. Great job, and go finish that haircut lol

[@petkoterzievbackupchannel]

Typically the wrestlers are stronger and bigger, and have move muscle, and also are trained not to rely to much on their opponent to have convenient clothing so that they can latch on, not that if they get desperate they won't grab your clothes, but it's less likely than if you are fighting a JJ or Judo guy. This fight was hilarious, the judo guy was taken to school.

[@acakbanget1790]

Judo VS Greco Roman... It's Will be fair

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Not really lol. Greco Romans do not have trips, sweeps or submissions. Judoka may not have a gi to grab... but its going to be wacky anyway.

[@leonkincoln-dp8vs]

Judo guy actually won against the tkd in orig vid

[@Katcom111]

🤣 The video is all olympic style. Wrestling, TKD and Judo..

[@stepheninczech]

Front Headlock

[@joshuastamos2213]

I saw the judo guy throw a punch

[@DDJaxon5]

Judoka need to learn some wrestling hand fighting or pummeling to fight a no gi fighter

[@Michael-h8l5m]

Judo has been bastardized. They’ve taken most of there weapons away. I train with the old mentality, go into other dojo’s/ gyms and cross train. Nobody is out here wearing a gi, especially in SOCAL

[@darthmeowl]

i'd say it's just a sad show. if you want to be a real fighter - you're not training only one art. You have to train Judo together with Boxing together with Kickboxing/Karate style, so you will have always a way to respond on your opponet's style. If he tries to grapple you -> use boxing to keep him away, if opponent switches to boxing -> you're responding with kick, if he tries to respond with a kick - you're grappling him. learning one style is like you're learned how to walk, but do you know how to run or jump? people are so damn conceited this days after learning literally one thing.....

[@rebel478]

The wrestler is a badass

[@irbrathwaite]

What happened to "MODERN JUDO"? I think the same thing that happened to TKD & now Karate. International/Olympic competitions watered down the art & created a situation where many schools are concentrating or only teaching what is necessary to be successful in certain federations competitions. As to the video... Judo is different when there is no gi to grab. Hand position is often different & grip strength become significantly more important, and how many of the techniques are set-up. Below the belt grabs are generally not allowed in competition/Olympic Judo. They are in the self-defense, but rarely practiced. Practical defense against something as simple as a single/double leg is almost nonexistent for most Judoka as IJF promotes a more upright, ippon oriented Judo that doesn't look like exactly "wrestling", but in pajamas. This, IMO, makes it prettier & more fun to watch, but can create less competent grapplers outside of their sport.

[@akramnatheer]

this is a joke! A Judoka can easily ragdoll a TKD or JKD guy.

[@Pieds-rouges]

He certainly buy his black belt

[@Totesnumber1fan]

He is an Olympic

[@Playboi.Rimbaud]

Keep the head half shaved and walk around and see what ppl say

[@FightCommentary]

People said i look like the joker

[@gamingthisera6339]

Is this olympic judo?

[@FightCommentary]

Yes

[@jedschuler6994]

This is so much better with the volume muted. Fight Commentary is the name of the channel, and your commentary is awful.

[@immortalwarrior2406]

Morden judo doesn't strike really

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Old school Judo never struck. Kano had originally had it, but even he removed it when it simply couldn't be practiced to a 'safe' degree. Striking only exists in kata, nothing else.

[@chrisdudedurian1305]

Nah judo rules are dumb af. How can u do a throw and win when u end up on the bottom anyways? 😂

[@Pieds-rouges]

Don't you fool !

[@kenshiro7960]

Judo and TKD are garbage Both lose to Bare knuckle boxing , Muay Thai and def MMA or even BJJ

[@FlyingV344]

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