FIGHTING THE BIGGEST EMITTER EVER! - CREEPER WORLD 4

[90] One single emitter is between us and victory... problem is it's pumping out 600,000 creep a second!
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[@danielmills7972]

Lower left corner: change the creeper display from "total" to "delta" More streamlined way to display the changes.

[@MGSLurmey]

I don't have the game myself but for anyone curious about this: Delta is a common symbol used (mostly in physics, but also elsewhere) to show rate of change in a system. Essentially instead of looking at the total number change, the game will actually display "the creep is dropping/rising by x amount every second".

[@joshsnell7649]

I was going to wonder how they got past the bug where if you spawn too much creep at once it becomes anti creep, but I see they didn't at all lol

[@darkpixel1128]

so thats why i was seeing little spikes of anti-creep! i though Tom had just done something offscreen.

[@klaxoncow]

Too much creep becomes anti-creep? Ah, so anti-creep is literally a negative amount of creep in the code, and we've got a wrap-around bug? If that's really how it's coded, that's a really elegant solution - a single integer to keep track of both creep and anti-creep, where positive numbers are creep and negative numbers are anti-creep (and the trick with that is all you have to do is add it up, when they collide). But the one problem with it is that, yeah, if you go beyond the max positive integer, it wraps around to the max negative integer - so too much creep suddenly turns into tons of anti-creep.

[@loyaldrone7365]

I don’t think it is a bug I remember reading something that talked about it and how it happened too son to be a wrap around and is more than likely purposefully put in though it has been awhile since I saw the person talking about it

[@joshsnell7649]

@@klaxoncow It's most easily obvious when you play a PAC mac and you buff a stash a couple times, it is interesting that here the output of creep was still clearly higher for a lot of it, though Tom didn't have the delta showing so that's just a guess, but it could maybe wrap back around to creep at a high level

[@zarnox3071]

@@techno1561 Not to mention, over/underflows could have catastrophic consequences for neighbouring data.

[@Michael-qp2cz]

Tom what ever happened to that map u couldn’t complete and u said u would return to? U should be skilled enough now to complete it

[@PierceArner]

Until 11:16, I'd never gotten to notice how pretty the sky in Creeper World 4 is.

[@Golden_Raijin]

Not as pretty as your eyes 🥺

[@WeirdYoutuber69420]

@@Golden_RaijinThis isn’t tinder

[@xavierburval4128]

Yeah the emitter is about 660000 creep per second. 20k creep times 33 per second equals 660k per second

[@siondwenneker7250]

That's 40million creep per minute! That's a lot of creep

[@donovanmahan2901]

it was so much that it was causing the nearby area to overflow and turn into AC periodically.

[@akunog3665]

@@donovanmahan2901 exactly, there is a limit to how much creep can be placed. once the pillar becomes too tall it is no longer making more.. so the 600k per second is not realistic. This can be proven by the fact that when he changed it all to anti-creep he had more than 2.8 million anti creep, and by the time he nullified he still 1.6 million AC. The game time passed was about 75 seconds.. that's 1.2 million creep per 75 seconds, or 16000 per second. This is a 42x exaggeration. When the map was empty it was much closer. At the 20 second mark the creep is up to 1.33 million. That's 65,000 per second.. Still 1/10th the amount it's labeled.

[@sculkwizard]

Ur math process confusing

[@RadiantCataclysm]

@@sculkwizardthat’s how you do math?

[@noah.2B]

Love that time lapse, the seismic charges sound, Tom's inner 40k commander coming out with the mass bombardment from orbit, love it! Also if I understand it correctly, the amount/height/volume of Creeper is measured as a numerical value, and Anticreep is literally just the negative version of that number. So when the Creeper reaches a certain height, it will start turning into Anticreep at its very peaks, as the number wraps back around to negative once it hits the limit. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, and what was happening here.

[@MGSLurmey]

Thought so, that's why at times you can see pillars of anticreep appearing around the emitter.

[@PointOfExclemation]

it is creep overflow.

[@noah.2B]

@@PointOfExclemation Stack overflow manifesting as creep overflow. Although perhaps this is actually some interesting lore revelation....

[@haxie4516]

​@@noah.2B technically thats integer overflow, not stack overflow, but yes

[@mpm165]

The creeper wall was too high to look up at it, so we built rockets to look down on it

[@steurtv]

thats was some solid maths in the beginning, XD

[@PlokgiH]

yup, "point 3 (0.3)" indeed

[@ucheehQ]

Whenever a new Creeper World 4 video comes out, I like to check the name of the map and play it myself before watching the entire video. My solution here was a little less rocket intensive, but I did have to baby-sit it and it took longer to get through to the emitter. I just placed a damper on the emitter every 15-18 seconds (they last 20), and any spare rocketry I had left was occasionally put in conversions and rains. Took a while and I had to keep close attention to the time, but it worked damn well. The total conversion strat is way more effective, but there's just so much passive time waiting for enough rocketry.

[@trickygamer555]

Yes, angory do really be searching out the worst regular maps out there. It's like a gift at this point. Unless they have a twitch account, that could also explain everything because of twitch going to recommend the most tedious maps ever.

[@MGSLurmey]

I've literally never once seen him use the damper. I'm pretty sure he doesn't realise it exists!

[@ucheehQ]

@@ShadeScarecrow It's in the top right of the screen lmao. This one's "GOD EMITTER"

[@skyfish77]

that guy with the "1 tower is giant and creeper are people" headcanon must be shaking in his boots

[@levioverturf9435]

So many games are designed around the 'idea' of strategy, and yet they were so ham fisted in the execution, you can be ham fisted in your response. Good to see one that thrives on strategy above brute force, making these maps silly, but fun to tackle

[@shrimpisdelicious]

If only he could have built one of those doom lasers!

[@fishpop]

1:12 Was that the Seismic Detonator sound? Also 144 mines? That's the High Grade number.

[@aaronharper1209]

Berthas would be insanely useful in destroying the creep. Big Berthas use lots of energy but do massive damage like they are mini nukes.

[@mythmurzin]

berthas with both ern portal upgrades and ern held, is about 4.1 k dps. highest dps unit in the game, next closest is airship at like 1.2k

[@christopherg2347]

My understanding is: Cannons do deal more DPS. But mortars are more energy efficient and cam hit from longer range.

[@risjut2146]

I am pretty sure that Tom could have ordered the mortars to be more effective here.

[@trickygamer555]

oh god it's this terrible map with the joke emitter where the only point is to dampen+singularity+convert spam and nullify. I mean, sure it's different from normal gameplay I guess.

[@DrFilch]

*We have a tiny island, with ALL THE RESOURCES IN THE WORLD!*

[@Hazlius]

This was such a cool and different puzzle map!

[@fiofofionomoto]

That music during the time lapse was very cute!

[@theBadgammer]

"Ecobel-Toys in Space" is the name of the btw :)

[@zephron28]

No kill like overkill.

[@dermathze700]

11:16 Man, Moons of Madness was such a fun series.

[@elistewart3435]

What is that soundtrack called?

[@dermathze700]

@@elistewart3435 Toys in Space by Ecobel

[@elistewart3435]

@@dermathze700 Thanks.

[@sebbes333]

*@Angory Tom* 3:08 (-_-)... *MORTARS for deep creep!* Cannons for SHALLOW creep (like knee-waist deep), and sprayers for the shallowest creep (like ankle deep)

[@J3553xAnotherFan]

That time-lapse was pretty sweet

[@rhystaylor851]

9:57 Creeper World camera confirmed as a dog

[@zarnox3071]

How?

[@akunog3665]

@@zarnox3071 because, mechanically dogs can't look straight up.

[@thefallenraven746]

20,000 creep every .03 second 6,666 2/3 creep every .01 second 666,666 creep every second (I rounded a bit cause thirds and such but wowza)

[@midnightexe7248]

20,000 creep every 0.03 seconds...hm... that's 666,666.67 creep every second

[@jacobseyba6019]

It might seem impossible but you can use conventional weapons like mortar's and cannons. It is also faster too. Good job for pulling that off its obviously near impossible to do this any way but you did it good job!

[@ianpellegrom2310]

the math goes to 60/.03 witch is 2000 witch multiplying by 20000 equals 40,000,000

[@jacobbroschak6690]

for future, you might have beaten it easier if you used damper orbitals cause it stops creep flow, making it stack up and your rain will then be more effective

[@________________________9]

probably could just carve in with conversion idk

[@Emile50]

Mortars do the most creep damage by far. They just dont brag about it

[@jakewilson5418]

Liking this video was... barely an inconvenience.

[@miikaelkaup811]

is it just me or did the emitter not work later? at the start it poured out massive amounts, but later nothing

[@Pancakeli]

I think there is a "creeper cap" that limits how much creep can exist on the map at once, but also when you have only 1 creep, adding 20,000 creep is a 20,000% increase, but when you have 20,000 creep, it's only a 100% increase, which is proportionately much smaller. While it might be adding the same amount per second, the rate that it increases over time gets smaller and smaller the more creep you have

[@miikaelkaup811]

@Lunar Flare oo ok, so it didn't generate anything later is because of the rate of flowing

[@akunog3665]

@@miikaelkaup811 it didn't generate later because it was covered in 2.6 million anti creep. it was eating the AC up with every release, but the AC was too tall.

[@jordan6508]

Love the fun videos, thank you for your work Tom and Josh.

[@ShadeScarecrow]

Anyone got the name of this map? I love tom playing this game but I wish he would put that somewhere in the description or title...

[@akunog3665]

"God emitter" the names of the maps are always at the top right of the UI

[@Talon771]

I don't like the excessive editing.

[@operator8014]

Do it again without converting!!

[@MGHellhound]

What song is that played at 8:21 to 8:25?

[@stiang9756]

What is the song name in the time lapse?

[@ninjakivi2]

What is the music at 11:16?

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

Did he ever use damper at all?

[@JennaRussell-u3t]

just round so 700 000

[@user-rz4kl4fv3d]

i have a feeling... (woo ooo)

[@chip1604]

i have played that map

[@Alex-fn2hl]

This was a neat little puzzle map!

[@FoxDog1080]

66,666.666... Creep/sec

[@erinhames102]

More Creeper World

[@cretin2025]

Large emitter

[@Dragonmagus6]

Woo! Angory time!

[@bobboy61]

Eyup.

[@blinking_dodo]

creepaaaa! yay

[@majesticsatyr3877]

I love you

[@NoxFlex]

Epic

[@Stanehable]

627

[@joshuahansen5486]

Why don't you try putting urns on the orbital factories

[@ekong1729]

As always, love the Creeper World vid :D

[@dagansmith5354]

cool idea for a map! I am off to try it my self :) thank Tom

[@thedoctor1204]

Anyone else found this satisfying? 1:14

[@liammontgomery1825]

Loving the Creeper World 4, keep on keeping on!

[@TheRealMirCat]

Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

[@joerf1188]

New map-type: creep vs creep

[@Potato8884]

Interesting map :0

[@waterierStone]

Good video

[@kezmsfilms1300]

Daily reminder that Tom is an amazing person and to thank him for all he has done/will do - Day 801 Wow, that quite a bit of Creep isn't it XD Very impressive :D well done Also, loved the use of the Seismic Charge XD

[@knightwolf3511]

motors are good for taking out areas with large creep area, cannons are really good for a front defense / offense line, i always back up cannons with motors

[@jake_russ]

wow, we're still here on creeper world 4... yeeesh tom, yeeesh