Fill Methods for the Flair 58 & 58X Equipped with Valve Plunger

[@robertjason6885]

Excellent vid, Andrew. I used the little pause you demonstrated...a 1/4 of the way up-lever..then raising the lever to the top before adding that las bit of water. That completely eliminated the air pocket, and gave me a super smooth pull, which was reflected not only by my arm, but by the gauge. I recommend all Flair 58 and 58+ owners to watch your series of videos.

[@FlairEspresso]

Cheers, Robert! Pleased to hear you're getting on well with your 58 🤙

[@After_GF]

I love this machine, it's like it came out from my head Please bring it officially in Greece

[@Tgizhan]

Please make travel case for 58. 🙏🙏

[@taylorfelt1696]

Thank you for sharing this. I have been absolutely loving my new 58!

[@FlairEspresso]

Here for it! Glad to hear you're gettin on well 🙌

[@majs2009]

I am using the Flair 58 V2. I am surprised that you fill the chamber while the lever is down and then fill the remaining head space when you lift the lever up. I normally do not do that... I just fill it all the way from the start to finish while the lever is up through the little hole with my gooseneck kettle. I feel this is a better workflow for me. Am I doing it wrong or missing something?

[@FlairEspresso]

If you have the valve plunger installed, you have both options

[@vladimirkanev3553]

Hi team, I just got a new Flair 58 and I believe I have the issue that Andrew is describing between 2:50 - 3:17. The problem is that I am sure that my hook is seated neatly against the crossbar of the plunger so there is no "further" that the hook can go. As I am bringing down the lever, once the black guider goes low enough to enter the brewing chamber, it rubs against the inside wall of the brew chamber so the lever becomes stiff and the pressure suddently drops and in some cases I hear/feel a slight vibration of the black guide rubbing the inner wall. What should I do? Is it possible that due to manufacturing tolerances, the black guide is very slightly longer than usual and it rubs regardless that the hook is well seated on the crossbar? Thanks

[@FlairEspresso]

Please contact support and share a video of what you describe. flairespresso.com/contact or use chat feature

[@vladimirkanev3553]

@@FlairEspresso thanks, I just sent the email with a video link !

[@assain2]

Hi! I am experiencing the same issue! Did you find a fix for this problem? @vladimirkanev3553

[@vladimirkanev3553]

@@assain2 me personnally no. I ended up returning the F58 to the merchant. Somebody else said they were able to somewhat fix it by removing the latch on the hook and using it like the older mechanism

[@assain2]

@@vladimirkanev3553 thanks for letting me know. What about the support service? I see you provided a video showing your problem. Was Flair able to provide any help?

[@draybarbond]

Totally up to you..There’s no right or wrong..i love that ☺️ Ini lah salah satu sebab saya suka komuniti flair.. supportive.. tiada siapa yang betul tiada siapa yang salah.. Yang suka minum kopi campur gula, silakan. Yang tak suka minum kopi campur gula, jangan perlekeh orang yang suka minum kopi campur gula.

[@FlairEspresso]

Inclusive

[@Yirgamalabar]

Are the any adjustments to the valve plunger method when using 12 gram single baskets? I'd assume you don't need to fill in the whole chamber with water.

[@FlairEspresso]

Depends on the desired yield but likely full fill is not needed, just don't continue raising lever once all the water has passed through valve; stop there and start the pull.

[@AlternativeTakes]

Hi, when trying the second method it never fills completly the inner part looks like the seal is blocking water

[@FlairEspresso]

After filling, and while handle is still down, lift handle a could inches an jiggle it side to side. Water should fill head space and allow you to top off before raising to the top. Contact support for further assistance if needed at flairespresso.com/contact

[@johnhavens1373]

I have been debugging a problem with my 58 LE which I got a couple of months ago. At first, I was pulling shots between 6-9 psi, but lately, I am not even doing 3 psi. I replaced all the gaskets on the brewed assembly and the one on stem. I used a light coating of canola oil to make sure they were not drying out. In the gasket kit, there are a couple of VERY small gaskets of about 5/16 across, but I have no idea where they go. It's the only thing I have not changed out. Any ideas?

[@FlairEspresso]

Grind finer. You didn't mention water was squirting from anywhere it shouldn't (from seals on plunger, stem or gauge)--the obvious signs of pressure loss unrelated to reduced puck resistance. bit.ly/BrewWithFlair or flairespresso.com/contact

[@guidoserrano2629]

I really wanted to use the second method but when the leaver is upright, no more water goes is. So I'm always left with a gap filled with air between the plunger and the water.

[@KENUMALE]

Everytime I do the fill method 2, water always spills when bringing the lever up. Doesn’t seem like the water is going through.

[@FlairEspresso]

Do you have the valve plunger or the original?

[@KENUMALE]

@@FlairEspresso valve. The newer version

[@FlairEspresso]

@@KENUMALE please send a video to [e-mail]

[@hiroadrian]

my plastic lever hook (the black plastic covering the metal hook) came off when i didn't realize it wasn't aligned straight. Now when i tried to put it back, it won't stick to the metal hook thing. Did I break it? how to fix it please?

[@FlairEspresso]

Please send us an email to [e-mail]

[@str8gamer964]

What’s the difference between the 58x and the plus ?

[@FlairEspresso]

Electric assist preheat and walnut wood accents mainly

[@WestyJoeS]

What is peeking out at the bottom of the portafilter in this video?

[@FlairEspresso]

Homemade valve installed into a blind basket

[@cuongdo1994]

Hello, when i tried method 1, water boil in the well (bubling up for a few second) when preheat setting at level 3 and using boiling water. Is it normal? Im living at sea level. Thank you.

[@FlairEspresso]

heating with plunger located at the bottom could be the reason as there's less thermal mass adjacent to PI film to soak up the energy. always preheat with plunger at the top and only lower prior to filling if using method #2. also, as mentioned in video, to maintain a column of water of 95 C metal will be slightly hotter. perhaps the bubbling up isn't from heat but rather displacement of air

[@RyanF91W]

Do some models come with a metal ball instead of the plastic stem guide?

[@FlairEspresso]

Both. Metal ball is what the stem guider sits on

[@RyanF91W]

@@FlairEspresso Thank you.

[@MichaelForge]

What is the "silicone funnel that ships with the Flair 58"?

[@FlairEspresso]

If you purchased for 529 the 58 didn't have a valve plunger at that time and price. All 58s from Oct on were outfitted with a valve plunger, silicone funnel and puck screen AND cost 575

[@tippykaffu4047]

I am completely new to espresso. How do I keep my temperature to 100C or just a little below in flair 58? I havent had one but I am interested in 58x

[@FlairEspresso]

You wouldn't be able to maintain 100C with 58x

[@fredwilson1191]

And why would one want to brew at 100C ?

[@evenaicantfigurethisout]

Will the 58 be more difficult to use Vs the pro 2? If I'm not planning to do back to back shots is there any advantage of the 58 over the pro 2 in terms of channelling probabilities ? Which is more forgiving towards variance in grind sizes?

[@Richard.Mayston]

I do use flair and Bplus puck SCREENS, and I do use appropriate vst baskets for different dose sizes. I haven't installed the valve plunger yet. I'm a little nervous to do so. I don't have a Gooseneck Kettle and I wonder if I'll have trouble with a normal jug. Currently I pull the plunger up before I insert the portafilter, so there is no upward force on the coffee bed. It appears with the valve plunger method, the portafilter is installed with the plunger down, chamber filled, and then plunger raised. I'm slightly concerned this will drag some coffee oils up into the chamber over time, making a cleaning issue.

[@FlairEspresso]

Nothing to be concerned about because 1) the valve prevents this (no suction) and 2) there's no where for coffee material to hangout once you remove the fixed screen. Also very easy to wipe inside if needed

[@TheGoobsters]

I do not have a gooseneck, it's a basic chefman glass tea kettle, and it can pour in there no prob

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

Hello, I am very attracted to the Flair 58. This purchase will be an accomplishment for me, and I want to be confident in my purchase. Forgive my ignorance. When lifting the lever, is there a chance the puck will get displaced? Also, may I ask why the new version does not have a shower screen? I understand the engineers designed it for a reason, I just would like to understand the differences. Lastly, what it the height with the lever fully extended? I have an area with my various brewing methods and great coffee and roasted coffee. I would like to see if more space will be needed. Thank you so very much. I look forward to your reply.

[@FlairEspresso]

Hey there, happy to answer your questions! 1) When you lift the lever the valve opens, no vacuum formed. 2) Surface tension sometimes prevented filling head space below, removing dispersion screen alleviates this concern. 3) lever up is 24", lever down 12"; you can push it under the cupboard when not in use, pull out and possibly need to turn at an angle to use

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

@Flair Espresso Cool thank you so very much. Is there a specific person I may contact via email? I live in Japan and I feel most attracted to the Flair 58.

[@TC_Prof]

Great video Andrew 🙏🙏🙏

[@FlairEspresso]

Thanks prof!

[@DecentraLife]

Very useful video, thank you for posting.

[@Cenot4ph]

the issue i have is that many times the water won't get in at all, it has a hard time filling the empty chamber

[@FlairEspresso]

Please reach out for support flairespresso.com/contact

[@brusdaar]

Will this ever be available on Amazon? I have some store credit I'd like to use.

[@FlairEspresso]

Not in 2022 for certain

[@brusdaar]

@@FlairEspresso pro 2 it is then.

[@markbotta8567]

An overhead view would have been helpful in providing more clarity.

[@HaekalDaily]

Noted 😉🤙