Film Study: Is Jalen Hurts good?

[@iplaylespauls23]

I dont think Jalen had a bad year last year. For much of the season he was playing very well and put the team on his back to win some games like the one against buffalo. People saw the collapse and then generalized to say Hurts had a bad year, but thats not what the film shows. The simple fact is that the scheme was super basic, a water down version of the effective but relatively simple scheme they ran the previous year. People accuse Hurts of scrambling too much and playing hero ball, but listen to Sirianni talk last year, thats what he was asking Hurts to do. Sirianni's offensive vision was all about big risk, low probability big play hunting, and turns out thats not a sustainable way to win in the NFL. Im hoping that a new compotent OC will get the team back on track. My real fear is that they will be successful and a team will poach Kellen to be a head coach, and we'll have to start the cycle over again.

[@modestomouso1234]

Yeah Kellen is almost definitely gonna be gone after this season. If we’re successful, he’s gonna become a HC. If we’re not, there’s a possibility that they fire Nick and keep Kellen, but the offense would still have to be pretty good to justify keeping Moore and getting rid of Nick.

[@_chosen_remnant]

It's no secret Hurts had a down season but Brian Johnsons inexperience and horrible play calling exacerbated how bad it really was. It was more bad OC than bad QB.

[@SandraCurb-hg9ox]

Head coach too if the head play is bad the OC can't do much after that specifically coordinate a bad play call from the head coach after all the main play comes from the head coach

[@dealnomore]

The Qb and Oc affect each other. If the play isn’t productive, qb looks bad. If the Qb is not seeing it, the Oc loses confidence and skims down the playbook. We also have no clue of the alignment adjustments the Qb should’ve made before the snap. Brian Johnson was hired pretty much the next day after he was fired so….you tell me

[@_chosen_remnant]

@@dealnomore failed coaches and coordinators are hired, fired, than rehired every day in the NFL. The majority of the league is literally one large melting pot of recycled failed coaches and a few winning coaches. The fact he was hired the next day says nothing of any relevance to my points. You did make a good point about us not knowing pre snap motions, possible wrong route running, and the other nuances were blind to as spectators.

[@jonpoetical]

It was Nick Sirianni...

[@weedasaurusrex]

Does no one remember the clip of Kelce having to wave off an audible Jalen was trying to make pre-snap? Hurts is pretty bad at reading defenses before and after the snap.

[@__G__-]

When it comes to Jalen hurts and the 2023 Eagles, no one speaks about how bad the playcalling was. It was bad, like really really bad. So bad that I now have a new found appreciation for the offensive coordinator position. Yeah he deserves some of the blame but I doubt any QB could succeed under last years offense.

[@_chosen_remnant]

Couldn't agree more. Brian Johnson was clearly not the guy. Way in over his head. Him and Desai. Very well said.

[@Vsmug]

Agreed they didn’t even have hot routes in the playbook. For example in the Bucs and Giants games both teams were calling cover 0 and our counter to that was 4 verticals lol

[@SomeRandomParticle]

The greatest show on turf would have been terrible with 4 plays in the playbook.

[@denverwalker9078]

Yes it’s annoying seeing so many people shitting on him when the the OC called 12 screens and 10 qb draws a game lol

[@rorytribbet6424]

It was… it was terrible, diversity hire at its finest lol. but he still has the best roster in football around him at nearly every position, they were not like hopeless, and the team still utterly collapsed. He’s supposed to be the ultimate leader and that is the opposite of what happened.

[@skipx]

Reportedly, Jalen went to Sirriani and Johnson twice add/change things to the playbook during the season and he was basically told no.

[@joshbimthedoctor]

Where'd you hear that?

[@skipx]

@@joshbimthedoctor "Why has Nick Sirianni struggled to rally the Eagles?" On Espn's website.

[@kolchak357]

I don’t think he’s as good as his numbers say in 2022, and I don’t think he’s as bad as the numbers say in 2023. Not top 3 QB, but definitely a top 10 QB. He’s definitely a franchise QB imo. As an Eagle fan, I’m happy to have him. 🏈

[@bowtiebann9630]

He had the same numbers... just more T.O. this year...

[@mf_stala2957]

Eagles' offensive game plan was, "Hurts, go get that shit" 😂 boutta turn him into Cam Newton with how much they make him run n take unnecessary shots

[@ernie1410]

Kellen will hopefully fix a lot of that Baker Mayfield mentality induced by having a friend (Brian Johnson) rather than a coach in your head. Planning is everything

[@theomega8013]

Jalen is proving to be a mvp threat every year. Where was he in the mvp conversation for the first 11 weeks of the season? Right there. With the turnovers and all. How many times did he have a huge drive down the stretch of games to get us to 10-1? Look at the game film. 10-1 with our coordinator struggles. So screw if he's elite or not... that's my effin qb. Eagles fans let's just shut our freakin mouths, and let our qb do him. He's a 3 year starter so far, with a all pro and two pro bowls...he a pro bowler on a "down year"(2023). Let him do him. Birdgang 🦅. Gik.#1🤟.

[@weedasaurusrex]

"Jalen is proving to be a mvp threat every year. Where was he in the mvp conversation for the first 11 weeks of the season? Right there. With the turnovers and all"...He wasn't in the run for MVP because of his arm... "How many times did he have a huge drive down the stretch of games to get us to 10-1? Look at the game film."...If you watched the game film again, you'd clearly see how lucky the Eagles were getting. They got lucky against NE with that pick 6... They got lucky against MIN because recovering 2 fumbles is one thing, recovering 4 fumbles is luck (two of then were in MIN territory) and the touchback rule for fumbles into the Endzone is complete BS. They got lucky against the Bills because Gabe Davis and Josh Allen were out of sync on what would probably have been the go-ahead TD They got lucky against KC when MVS dropped what probably would have been the go-ahead TD with less than 2mins left They barely beat WAS both times they faced off. The Eagles could have easily been 5-6 or 4-7 after the first 11 games, if not for the massive mistakes made by the opponents.

[@jm-tl6od]

Because they didn't lose. That's the only argument he had. Once they started losing his numbers made it so he wasn't even close to MVP

[@anthonychalkley5673]

Those first 10 games won were off of talent, and some luck. Scheme was horrible and didnt have a checkdown route within the playbook. Hence the reason we switch the offensive playbook on madden. Alot of them routes took too long to come together before pressure got home. I just want to see Hurts with the same OC for 3 years with Sirianni not getting involved. The season fell apart for a reason PR did a okay job with trying to hide the obvious. But all the changes within coordinators spoke volumes. We had no rhythm even the games we won.

[@UnpopularOpinionSports]

I personally don't blame Hurts for last year. The route combinations from OC Brian Johnson were gross all season. Because of the greatness of Hurts, Goedert, Brown, & Smith...I could argue that they overcame much of the OC's incompetence with his playcalling and route combinations. That will be fixed with Kellen Moore.

[@jonpoetical]

You spelled Nick Sirianni, wrong.

[@UnpopularOpinionSports]

@@jonpoetical you blame Nick for last year? He is the HC so I get your point but everyone has their role. Clearly the DC and OC didn’t do a good enough job last year. That’s why they’re gone

[@jonpoetical]

@UnpopularOpinionSports It was HIS offense and he was dictating play calling more than you think. BJ was a scapegoat.

[@UnpopularOpinionSports]

@@jonpoetical the offense ran when BJ was the OC and the year prior was a drastically different offense. That’s why I’m not so sure you’re right about the play calling and the offense BJ had a responsibility in upholding

[@jonpoetical]

@@UnpopularOpinionSports It was the same plays, Holmes! Teams have tape. The offense looked exactly like it did before Steichen took over.

[@neetrab]

6:50 - I think its unfair for you to say that because of Hurts surroundings 2 szns ago, that his #s were probably mostly inflated. He literally had the same exact offensive weapons except Saquon. If that's the case, you can say the same thing about Patrick Mahomes. His situation has been just as good or even better his whole career vonpared to where the chiefs were right before he got to kc.

[@deemity7557]

Lmao. Patrick never had the best Oline, a defense that had 70 sacks and a top 3 WR duo along with a good TE all in the same season😂. Jalen had literally the best possible situation in the 2022 season you could imagine🤡

[@DankBirdGang52]

​@@deemity7557 What are you talking about? Chiefs have one of the best O lines in the NFL.

[@deemity7557]

@@DankBirdGang52 they’ve literally never been the best overall Oline in the league. They were at their best in 2022 and even then the tackles were suspect. They’ve also always struggled in 3rd and 4th and short situations compared to other teams like Philly with more physical Olines.

[@BaileyFunk-x2u]

@@deemity7557there’s 32 teams in the nfl, you can’t act like mahomes was hurt by having a really good offensive line but the fact the it wasn’t #1 means he overcame something😂

[@aceboogie3839]

@@BaileyFunk-x2ulmfaooooooo

[@PsychRick]

You don’t understand how much I hated the play calling making Hurts run so much…

[@tomtaggart3788]

So bad it hurts?

[@king_eagle_1]

The eagles are miss developing jalen hurts he suppose to be in year 4 learning and fixing his mechanics not learning a new system for the 3rd or 4th time in year 4 smh 🤦

[@BaileyFunk-x2u]

I think our offense really suffered from how awful our defense was. BJ was a first time OC and he had absolutely nothing to test out his plays against. He probably thought he was elite cause they consistently beat their defense at practice but that’s not a defense that can measure that

[@Moor2011]

OC was the problem, this year he will be better.

[@ronstoner2420]

The first play you analyzed...Swift, WIDE open in the center of field as play unfolded. Unfortunately Hurt's unable to perform at a level that affords this read

[@weedasaurusrex]

I'm curious to see how well Jalen can read blitzes, because I'm pretty sure that was Kelce's job

[@VictorRodriguez-xk5ck]

I guess we’ll find out this year

[@erikwelch3212]

He is a good professionl QB. Stop disrespecting that man. You are not a professional analyst. These NFL teams they are all professionals. A game can go either way ...duh ..Stop it. Birds were expected to do better last year....Its okay... We'll shine this year!

[@asare240]

Mixture. He made mistakes for sure, definitely wasnt playing well, but his OC did him wrong fr.

[@SandraCurb-hg9ox]

Put some of that on the head coach too

[@al91an89]

@@SandraCurb-hg9ox nah, sirianni is just a glorified cheerleader

[@jonpoetical]

​@@al91an89It was Nick Sirianni's offense and playbook.

[@al91an89]

my knock on hurts is 1. he doesnt utilize the middle of the field with his reads, and 2. he will choose to scramble instead of just taking what the defense gives with a dump off

[@swolesatman]

I agree that he was not hitting the middle of the field, but that was the scheme's fault not entirely his. From OTA reports, the new OC is making him throw over the middle a lot more. - I'm excited

[@ernie1410]

@@swolesatmanKellen is all about creating havoc w spread + motion to abuse mismatches, it’s very NBA-like. Jalen has basically only ever consistently won off of stale, hero 1v1s setups, last year is simply when the music stopped, inevitable really. Kellen gonna bring prosperity back to the sideline once again

[@cademcdonald8976]

​@ernie1410 kellen has been super predictable every team he has been with thus far. He calls come back routes far to often and tends to neglect the running game when it should be leaned on. The one thing he can do is develop a QBs presence within the pocket and utilise the middle of the field but after that is done teams get tired of the rest of his play calling.

[@24toofast]

I'm sure Mahomes would love having a different OC MOST seasons, NOT the best coach in the league, NOT the best tight end in the league, ZERO HOT ROUTES, Zero motion, Multiple bad DC's... The stacked Eagles teams DON'T MATTER if coaching and schemes suck. Let's not act like Mahomes didn't fall into a great situation. KC only failed him once with the bad o-line vs. The Bucs.

[@SandraCurb-hg9ox]

I mean yes Nick didn't receive as much as his last OC and DC mybe we should look at him tho after all he is the main play caller as HEAD coach the OC just coordinate plays if the play bad the coordinator will b as bad rite ??

[@jbceedeez]

A good qb overcomes bad play calling...that's why he is paid that money...

[@raventhornton467]

What qb have over come bad HC ??? Name one

[@leevancleef358]

This is a BIG Pressure Filled Year for Hurts and the Iggs. That meltdown last season was a disaster and a shocking indictment of both coaches AND players. They have made a TON of moves in the offseason and some of them look pretty good. The Offensive Roster looks REALLY good. I will say that I don't think Kellen Moore is "all that". If Hurts does NOT play well this season - then he has been exposed...Philly Fans and Media will be going CRAZY.

[@jbceedeez]

@leevancleef358...they had supposedly great players last season...changing players won't change a thing...

[@leevancleef358]

@@jbceedeez every year is different....they have alot of talent ...it will come down to Hurts and the Def...we shall see...but if they stink it up BOY will those Philly post game shows be FUN to watch :)

[@makai_goat215]

Kellen Moore will help really good this year and WR3 was terrible parris is upgraded

[@Captainkebbles1392]

if you struggle vs joe barry..then no. this is my new metric.

[@Youneedatoe]

Hurts is what he is. He lacks top tier qb talent and makes up for it with his legs and a gimmick tush push play. He’s borderline top 10. 8-12 depending on bias. That’s where he will stay and when the talent around him drops off he will drop off. Roster carries him, not the other way around.

[@24toofast]

That's possible. Are you a Chiefs fan or Cowboys fan? 😂😂 BE HONEST

[@24toofast]

@@Youneedatoe Sound reasonsble but a LITTLE Hurts hate when you realize MOST of the league isn't touching Mahomes. So who's the better option?

[@24toofast]

@@Youneedatoe How could he be borderline top 10 with a MID arm? What QB would do better for us in our situation? Give me your answer. Any QB who lost the SB, NEVER made it back to win it since Elway. I have my doubts about Hurts too, a MID arm is Tebow. Hurts can throw it 60 yards. Not amazing, but Bazooka arms don't win it a lot. Mahomes is the total package. Allen and Herbert have CANNONS and won't win anything.

[@24toofast]

@@Youneedatoe Find a solution, if we can't win with him. What do you propose we do? Draft a QB? Pickett? A stop gap QB. If he has a mid arm, he's not good enough to win a SB. He's our best bet now. It's an arms race to beat the Chiefs. Pickett would play like a Purdy but that's more system and less off schedule. So what is your solution?

[@24toofast]

@@Youneedatoe Okay, now I can agree. lol

[@L91168]

Its a shame hurts is gonna have to deal with this his entire career. Hes never good enough for some

[@klardfarkus3891]

Another Good example of why hyping and,pimping nfl players and teams is a fools errand,

[@prophetmaster4997]

If Purdy is overrated then ypu better damn well believe that this dude playing with top 5 talent on a simple offense is overrated.

[@SlimReaper256Gaming]

Jalen Hurts = Good Brian Johnson = HORRIBLE

[@3cardmonty602]

WR3 will be an upgrade this coming season.

[@visforvegan8]

He's an eagle, therefore he sucks.

[@24toofast]

How bout them CowgirLLLLLs 😂

[@ericimi]

Hes not nearly as good as josh allen .

[@sob_meen]

shit aj ain't top 10 that boy top 5

[@Omnideus_]

Hurts has the best OL in the league is still ass

[@JM_23824]

bro does not know football lmfao

[@mintcarrier]

Explains why you have 💩 for 🧠 🧠…omni deus indeed 😂!

[@Omnideus_]

@@JM_23824 yall lost to cardinals rookies squad stop talking

[@Omnideus_]

@@mintcarrier cute

[@Omnideus_]

@@JM_23824 yall still got stomped by cardinals rookies

[@derekwebb7577]

He's the guy who lost his job to Tua. Inaccurate passer, likes to play hero ball, but lacks the skillset to pull it off.

[@CWTS_]

I wouldn't say inaccurate. I think his biggest weaknesses are his velocity, inability/unwillingness to attack the middle of the field and his tendency to play hero ball as you mentioned. I think he's a good QB, just not a volume passer which is what you want when you have the kind of firepower that we have on offense. I'd be highly disappointed if he doesn't produce a 4000+ yard & 30+ passing TD season to go along with at least an NFCCG appearance with the embarrassment of riches he has on offense and an improved defense

[@bigcoop3717]

The 49ers are trash and you need to drink a whole bottle of holy water

[@zoolzoo4434]

fraud.

[@rorytribbet6424]

Jalen Hurts is and has always been good… he’s never been Elite as so many people have pretended or fallen into believing.

[@SomeRandomParticle]

It's hilarious, how Jalen Hurts can go 29-3 over a 32 game stretch while having 78 total TDs and 17 INTs, with a near flawless postseason run and then thanks to an ugly finish thanks to a lame duck HC and a kindergarten OC, people are doubting him? And he really only had 4 bad games the whole year, Week 6, Week 14, Week 15 and Week 18. The recency bias is insane.

[@novanebula8004]

​@@SomeRandomParticle It's not recency bias he's just not elite and never has been

[@JM_23824]

@@novanebula8004 so what he did in the superbowl wasn’t elite just an average qb?

[@danielp6516]

@@JM_23824Because he has an elite offense not because he is elite himself

[@CWTS_]

​@@JM_23824Nick Foles had a very similar performance in the Super Bowl and nobody thinks he's elite. Jalen was incredible that night and is no doubt a good QB but he's not elite. An elite QB would not struggle to throw 25 TD's in this offense. Even Lamar & Cam have led the league in passing TD's and won MVP with far less to work with along the OL and at WR. You have guys like Jordan Love come in and throw for over 4000 yards & 30+ TD's as a first year starter throwing to a bunch of first and second year WR's & TE's. Even a guy like Brock Purdy has put up more prolific passing statistics than Hurts in a shorter amount of time. Is Hurts an elite winner? Most definitely. Elite QB? Nah

[@rodcarew1353]

He’s mid tier