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grainydays

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10 ай бұрын

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@parkermillican
@parkermillican 10 ай бұрын
Im considering going back to painting at this point tbh
@tompoynton
@tompoynton 10 ай бұрын
cave painting for me
@flyingskier1913
@flyingskier1913 10 ай бұрын
Petroglyphs are really the most authentic way of recording the world
@ownvideofootage
@ownvideofootage 10 ай бұрын
😂
@trippwilsonphoto
@trippwilsonphoto 10 ай бұрын
i've gone all the way back to just calligraphy and just thinking about places now
@ArchiesLens
@ArchiesLens 10 ай бұрын
Lol
@CaptainPsychopath69
@CaptainPsychopath69 10 ай бұрын
Film wins because you can eat it
@LaskyLabs
@LaskyLabs 10 ай бұрын
Please do not the film.
@kerc
@kerc 10 ай бұрын
Before or after developing?
@williamlasl
@williamlasl 10 ай бұрын
That’s an expensive snack.
@aj_lfod
@aj_lfod 9 ай бұрын
Swallowing an SD card hurts on both ends.
@goatman7362
@goatman7362 9 ай бұрын
When I shoot digital, I feel the urge and the need to make the final image as perfect as possible. When I shoot film, I hope each of my images is imperfect in its own little way
@STRAlGHTxEDGE
@STRAlGHTxEDGE 9 ай бұрын
Indeed. Digitally I'm always pushing myself beyond my limit while film is 'letting go' for me which is very therapeutic and refreshing.
@us249
@us249 10 ай бұрын
glad that ryan gosling can give me a breakdown about camera mediums
@joshuarothman
@joshuarothman 10 ай бұрын
I used to think this objective vs. subjective thing was true. But when I look back at my own old photos, it doesn't matter what medium I used. Time passes, and it makes every photo mysterious and subjective. I think film is just a way of creating that mystery a little bit sooner.
@thomasni123
@thomasni123 10 ай бұрын
this is the most based take
@dontpanic5278
@dontpanic5278 10 ай бұрын
Yeah I don't think it's as binary as subjective VS objective, but for the reasons stated I think film can be far more ambiguous. This might simply make it _more_ subjective.
@caleidoo
@caleidoo 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, his subjective/objective take makes little sense in today's age. People used film to clinically document things before we had digital. It doesn't magically make every shot artsy. People documented sport with film cameras too. On the other spectrum, people now obviously manipulate and color grade digital photos creatively. Tadaa: an interpretation. Who uses or posts JPEG's straight of the camera (or smartphone)?). This subjective/objective statement is too simplistic and doesn't work half of the time. So it's obsolete. Also, the "you create memories with film" part is a entirely a social construct: it's because people in around their thirties or older only have photos of themselves (and their parents) on film. Really young people probably like film because it looks like "a better version of the Instagram filter they used". They shoot film because they saw KZbinr do it. Which is fine, but it shows your reference frame shifts, depending on what generation you are. I don't have any problem with either medium. I enjoy both. Just one medium is used professionally by me - some part of me would love to capture a wedding or photo session only on film, but old camera reliability and the cost/work flow keep bringing me back to a "no". I own a bunch of film cameras in all formats, cheap and a lot less cheap. But I just like to use it because I like the colours and how it resembles a time that has passed. Sometimes i just like the design of camera. I don't deny the nostalgia factor, I don't add deeper meanings to it nor pretend my photo shot on film is better than the same thing shot digitally. That said, I can however get slightly annoyed by people putting film on pedestal - especially if the photos they share to support that statement are mediocre (or the same old gas station), regardless what medium. In the end it's always the same: only the image counts. Not the tool, not the person.
@Humungojerry
@Humungojerry 10 ай бұрын
it’s a good way to think about it but it’s not literally true
@Humungojerry
@Humungojerry 10 ай бұрын
@@caleidoogood post. the other thing about film is a lot of people got into it after using smartphone cameras, and preferred the look. also the possibly dirty secret is the look isn’t entirely baked in, there are decisions made by the person doing the scanning (usually a lab) which are subjective and improve the look of the image. a lot of people prefer that unsurprisingly to unedited digital photos, perhaps because they don’t know how to edit
@SecondThought
@SecondThought 10 ай бұрын
Banger as always. I do all my “work” on digital, but I don’t ever feel inspired to shoot my non-work stuff on digital. There’s something to be said for the delayed gratification of seeing whether you got the shot you intended when shooting on film. That and just the vibes are 👨🏻‍🍳👌
@zenderzagato8174
@zenderzagato8174 10 ай бұрын
Ayo wtf. Love your content.
@Kevin_Kim13
@Kevin_Kim13 10 ай бұрын
SecondThought's here!
@slo369
@slo369 10 ай бұрын
I wish bro 😢 film is like 20 bucks which is like a thousand pesos(some people don’t even make this in a week) where I’m at
@miracleyacht__1538
@miracleyacht__1538 10 ай бұрын
nationalize Kodak!!
@filiplipkowski4963
@filiplipkowski4963 9 ай бұрын
​@@slo369I recommend to try to find sellers which are selling bulk loaded film. Some people just buy for example 30 meters roll of film, they making their own for example 36 frames rolls, packing these into old cassetes and selling. These costs like 1/2 or even 1/3 of new packed,single cassete price. You can try to do this on your own. Of course that's an investment but in the long run it's much cheaper. Cheers ❤
@pers4855
@pers4855 10 ай бұрын
"just don't hate on the other one" powerful quote right there
@williamlasl
@williamlasl 10 ай бұрын
And immediately ignored 😂
@pers4855
@pers4855 10 ай бұрын
@@williamlasl they both belong man just have fun with whatever medium you choose
@williamlasl
@williamlasl 10 ай бұрын
@@pers4855I’m agreeing, but just saying the wisdom of the point seems lost on a lot people who proceed to argue over which is better in the comments.
@rr.martin5614
@rr.martin5614 6 сағат бұрын
True.
@tuca3537
@tuca3537 10 ай бұрын
Anyone that’s upset at film making a comeback just hasn’t yet heard the sound of a Hassie shutter slap
@thegraffboy123
@thegraffboy123 9 ай бұрын
Not everyone got Hassie money bud
@tuca3537
@tuca3537 9 ай бұрын
@@thegraffboy123 Lol, that’s ok! There’s a lot of amazing cameras with great shutter sounds that cost a fraction
@corneliusdobeneck4081
@corneliusdobeneck4081 3 ай бұрын
Pretty arrogant thing to say, almost disgusting.
@derrickzanni1762
@derrickzanni1762 2 ай бұрын
I really do like the shutter sound of my minolta x-370. Sounds almost like a clap lol
@sophustranquillitastv4468
@sophustranquillitastv4468 2 ай бұрын
My Canon A-1 shutter sound very melodic.
@GastonShutters
@GastonShutters 8 ай бұрын
I recently starred shooting film again after 20 years. And I have to say that I’ve never been more excited about my photos. The suspense of waiting for development and scans makes you think 10 times before firing the shutter. Something that with digital doesn’t happen because we are more prone to be trigger happy. Exploring the different film stock is really exciting. In the end I find that most of us try to emulate in digital what film photography provides right out of the box: grain, color grading, etc.
@thedoge7382
@thedoge7382 10 ай бұрын
honestly I agree with every point here; I originally learned to shoot and develop film, but I shoot digital because I can't afford to shoot film. I love shooting digital like film - thinking and framing before I shoot - then recreating the film look in lightroom. some people will hate this, but it's a digital homage to film.
@ChristopherBletzinger
@ChristopherBletzinger 10 ай бұрын
Same here!! I love using old DSLRs like film. The screens are so bad on them that you still get that anticipation of seeing the photos in their fully glory when you get home. With the added benefit of checking the exposure if you need or changing the ISO on the fly.
@sarahneedham
@sarahneedham 7 ай бұрын
I agree with this. I first got into SLR photography in the 80's so of course used film. Stayed using film until I broke my camera back in 2012 so switched to digital. I carried on taking shots like I used to with film though. Thinking about every composition and not wanting to just waste shots (even though it was essentially free). If I had to alter in post via cropping or levelling it, I felt I had somehow failed lol. Now I have also bought an old SLR film body to use along side my DSLR.
@chadolson5537
@chadolson5537 10 ай бұрын
I use both mediums and they're both great. Typically if I want to shoot wildlife I use digital, if I want to be artistic or document things I shoot film. I think more people need to explore the art world more and find ways to express themselves without war or violence.
@loganturnermedia
@loganturnermedia 10 ай бұрын
Theory, people are saying film is trash to make film affordable again.
@MossPalone
@MossPalone Ай бұрын
Shhhhhh. Don't expose us!
@h2xhypocriet
@h2xhypocriet 10 ай бұрын
Jason, that is a fantastic explanation why I love film and why both film and digital have a reason to be around. Great video 👍🏻
@analog_cafe
@analog_cafe 10 ай бұрын
Congrats on the cake, Jason! 🎂 I also like product photography on film; I use a half-frame PEN FV to do all that.
@jahosaphat
@jahosaphat 10 ай бұрын
Shooting with intention an reveling in whatever comes out. Film is like a surprise when you see it.
@jjaazzee
@jjaazzee 10 ай бұрын
Great video. I loved the way you broke it down and how you ultimately leave it for everyone to decide what's best for them. That's the only healthy way to go about one's interest. Do whatever works for you and be happy, let others do the same.
@saltycherrypie6918
@saltycherrypie6918 10 ай бұрын
I do agree with a lot of things mentionned in the video but on the subject of wildlife photography I think you missed the point a bit. I think a good wildlife photographer doesn’t just try to snap the rarest animal and keep the image true to life. There is a ton of story telling to be done with composition, light etc. The best wildlife pictures I’ve seen are not the sharpest, they are the ones where you can feel the photo and the emotion the animal give off.
@Mqstodon
@Mqstodon 10 ай бұрын
​@@phillipbanes5484bro what's your deal? Chill out under ever comment
@KNURKonesur
@KNURKonesur 10 ай бұрын
Probably the best summary of the topic I've ever watched, thanks Justin!
@martinkelly900
@martinkelly900 10 ай бұрын
I just love how your eyes match your backdrop, true professionalism!
@Brando256
@Brando256 9 ай бұрын
Literally the best "Film vs Digital" video on KZbin! Outstanding take on this whole film vs digital war. Can't we all just get along. Thanks so much for this.
@deltorophoto
@deltorophoto 10 ай бұрын
Loved this. Really appreciated this aspect ration in 4k btw.
@razorthought4
@razorthought4 10 ай бұрын
I love your videos , but this is one of my favorites , great explanation , and wonderfully executed and explained 👌🏽💯
@TravisHFitzgerald
@TravisHFitzgerald 10 ай бұрын
Quit your job at disney and just start selling handmade film photography zines at coffee shops.
@cslattfri
@cslattfri 7 ай бұрын
I agree with you on all points. And i do think that being good at film photography will make you a better digital photographer due to the amount of forethought that goes into it. I started with black and white film in the early 90's and loved it. I have been shooting digital for about 10 years. I just dusted off my old Pentax k1000 and bought a few rolls of film. You have inspired me to get back into film photography again. I am new to your channel and love it.....
@ripemangosmdm7997
@ripemangosmdm7997 9 ай бұрын
This is my favorite video you have ever made. hands down. A great look at and into this nonsensical debate. very well thought out and hilarious. Thank you!
@bekensdwarf8068
@bekensdwarf8068 10 ай бұрын
Learning film photography has made me a significantly better digital photographer. Shooting film made me fall in love with the physical process of taking photos. The way it forces you to be intentional about your shot and visualize what you want out of a photo before you take it. This has helped me cut down on over shooting a scene, getting more variety in my shots, and how to shoot a better image so I don’t have to go ham on fixing it in post. I wish I could shoot more film but it’s just so expensive that i have to supplement with digital. Which makes me curious about videos like these. With the rising cost of film and development I wonder if film photographers will be able to use their subjective approach to photography and circumvent a lot of the “objective” nature of digital. Kind of like how each of your videos ties in the vibe of your photoshoot i.e changing the aspect ratio, sound design, and color grading. Anyway, slightly pretentious comment finished. I love your channel it is great source of inspiration and it is very well done. Thanks for all your hard work
@aviee2046
@aviee2046 10 ай бұрын
20 minutes ago I bought Revueflex SD1, 50mm lens and Kodak ProImage 100 roll, and i think it's cool, photography is cool
@andydreadsbmx
@andydreadsbmx 10 ай бұрын
I like the example of the sailing across the sea or painting a painting.
@MicaelWidell
@MicaelWidell 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Well put. You should do more "philosophical" videos like this one.
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 10 ай бұрын
Frankly, I see philosophical components in just about all of Jason's posts. That is one of the charms of watching them.
@timbotopher
@timbotopher 10 ай бұрын
Dude! I'm watching your videos for years know and I can truely confirm: Your production value is on a different level by now 🎉🎉 absolute banger of a video!
@TehWever
@TehWever 10 ай бұрын
I like Your mature and suprisingly serious approach to the topic so much that I almost didnt skip the ad.
@mastaw
@mastaw 10 ай бұрын
The IMDb flex tho
@Reeceness
@Reeceness 10 ай бұрын
I think the argument is dumb, but many of the intentional limitations with film can be had on digital if you need that. Intentionality can exist in a digital workflow, you just have a lot more safety nets for later IF you need it. The physical qualities of film are unique, but many of those aspects can be replicated. Ultimately I think there’s a lot of commodifying and romanticizing the film workflow as though it’s makes your images better as long as there’s a monologue to go with the image (for some not all). I think we should just take the same attention and feedback we give to film stocks, and demand better sensors and color profiles. No this isn’t a replacement for film, but it could be a more sustainable option for a person torn between the two or film photographers who can’t afford to do film full time
@Reeceness
@Reeceness 10 ай бұрын
Also I appreciate both. I don’t have time to devote to film, but I intend to delve into it in the near future. Digital makes more sense for professionals and novices alike because the infrastructure is there for it. Film is being kept alive by avid fans that appreciate it like air cooled 911’s. I would like to see the two sides converge and see a demand for better photo focused digital AND film bodies being generated. Demand better craftsmanship, materials, and aesthetic.
@williamlasl
@williamlasl 10 ай бұрын
Fujifilm is doing a lot to fill the demand you’re talking about. I don’t want to get too conspiracy-minded, but investing in film simulation features and analog-type controls in their digital cameras while discontinuing film stocks seem like an effort to usher film photographers into their digital ecosystem.
@matthewclaxton8023
@matthewclaxton8023 10 ай бұрын
Loved this style of video! Great way to get your points across
@camerachica73
@camerachica73 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, very well put - I use both, digital for photographing factual representation of the subject and film where I'm trying to convey a mood for travel, projects etc. Both are good for different reasons.
@synthgreen5648
@synthgreen5648 10 ай бұрын
Great video, I also came down to this conclusion myself, I shoot both film and digital, my Sony is for fast portraits or general full frames and better light recreation, while my Fuji is for artistic photos along with street photography, but my film is for anything that catches my eye for more than 10-30 seconds or significant memories I wanna keep. Keep it up, Jason.
@jameslaumeyer4214
@jameslaumeyer4214 10 ай бұрын
Dude, i was literally just thing about this today and it occurred to me that film is like thinking of the memory while digital is like looking out a window.
@sambrockway4720
@sambrockway4720 10 ай бұрын
Somehow you hit on an angle of this conversation that I have never heard, before--and I have wasted SO much time discussing film v. digital. Nicely done, and agreed on all points!
@yazzmatazz86
@yazzmatazz86 10 ай бұрын
I've been putting off scanning my film for so long. I have a dozen or more rolls dating back to December 2018. I plan on scanning them in the coming weeks and I can't wait to relive some of those captured memories.
@ronwise3069
@ronwise3069 5 ай бұрын
Great video, Jason. And I think you're spot on. I'm old and shot film for a good 27 years before switching to digital around 2005. Most of that time I had a darkroom, too. When I got into digital, I still shot like I was using film, even though pixels are basically free. I never understood the idea of standing on the shutter release and taking 20 images of the exact same thing. The most ironic thing in my personal experience is that I spent the whole time shooting film trying to minimize the grain I was getting but when I started shooting digital, it was too sterile. So I spent time and money emulating grain and putting that back into my digital images. FFS.
@PhilKnall
@PhilKnall 10 ай бұрын
The cake 😂😂 Also thank you for using this aspect ratio, literally the only videos that fill my ridiculous phone's screens
@timgehrsitz3267
@timgehrsitz3267 10 ай бұрын
I've taken photos of compelling subjects on digital, and those photos still get blown out of the water by a picture of my coffee table on film. Metering correctly, carefully choosing your composition, your film stock, and having a decent lab is equivalent to 10 hours editing a single digital shot (including adding imperfections to give it more life). Except with editing I have 50 million decisions to make. Even editing my own scans, there's very little I have to do to get "a look", and though I can edit it further and do the same I'd do to digital, there's zero need to.
@nathanhattaway1616
@nathanhattaway1616 10 ай бұрын
Both are amazing technologies. I shoot film for the process and organic texture renditions. I hope the analog process continues to resurge so we can continue having this choice.
@JaseFilm
@JaseFilm 10 ай бұрын
Wait, you can do astrophotography with digital cameras?
@stephenlumsden280
@stephenlumsden280 9 ай бұрын
Good point about subjectivity. I do like using my one inch Panasonic's in low light or event or sport's, but I have a contax ii rangefinder and yashica TLRs which are much much enjoyable, keep me in the moment and would be prohibitively expensive in a digital version. I did give up film a while back but these days it's much easier to scan or get scanned and that makes it much easier
@guilhermenevesnunes5538
@guilhermenevesnunes5538 10 ай бұрын
it's all about the process, amazing video, hope you can come to Brazil someday.
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 10 ай бұрын
Totally agree, Jason. The reason I started shooting with film , again, (previously shooting film since the 70's), after shooting digital for the last 20 years. I do bring a digital camera, for situations, that I may not be able to return. KB
@harrydeyong441
@harrydeyong441 10 ай бұрын
Probably the best opinion/explanation I've heard on this tired subject. Jason, you got it right.
@prince2thethrone
@prince2thethrone 9 ай бұрын
I truly enjoyed this video. thanks
@mallorydavisphotography
@mallorydavisphotography 10 ай бұрын
such a fan of your channel! Thanks for always keeping it real. As a relatively new film shooter, I couldn't agree with your sentiments. EMOTION for sure
@mallorydavisphotography
@mallorydavisphotography 10 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484 none whatsoever ...
@Cr3zyTom
@Cr3zyTom 10 ай бұрын
Im just starting out so shooting on raw and then editing to look like film is my current setup and im very happy with it. In the future ill probably get a film camera but thatll take time
@KevinLewisjr
@KevinLewisjr 10 ай бұрын
This one made me cry and in a good way.
@zfisher
@zfisher 10 ай бұрын
I like what you said about film photographers trying to capture a feeling. I wasn't seriously considering film until I randomly saw a photo of the beach joe Greer posted on Twitter. It wasn't that great of a photo but I immediately felt like I knew that place, and had been there, and it reminded me of something. And I wanted to explore film so I could recreate that.
@STRAlGHTxEDGE
@STRAlGHTxEDGE 9 ай бұрын
I've definitely done more weird complicated artsy stuff digitally (in preproduction) than with an analog camera. Gells, lensfilters, movement long exposure, overexposing, reflective spray, all combined etc. While with film I let the film itself do the heavy lifting. It doesn't matter what you use, your intent will change how you use it.
@markorchard2272
@markorchard2272 8 ай бұрын
Probably the best AvsD monologue ever. Bravo dude!
@JulsOnline1
@JulsOnline1 10 ай бұрын
A lot of great points in the video! I have shot film almost exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years now and one big pain point is the development process. It’s just not something that brings me joy. So often I get lazy and get it done in a lab (scanning too); it also got me thinking is this just digital with extra steps haha. I love the shooting process, the vintage camera tech, the look and feel, all of it. I’ve started to experiment lately and want to go more digital with an analog feel, if that makes sense. There is some great stuff out there like the Leica M10-D, a digital range finder that has no display.
@gatsbye53
@gatsbye53 10 ай бұрын
Both ❤
@ILoveMyBikes
@ILoveMyBikes 10 ай бұрын
This!
@OneMonthTwoCameras
@OneMonthTwoCameras 10 ай бұрын
Oh man, you're going to crush the Internet with this spicy vid title.
@ikwhite
@ikwhite 10 ай бұрын
Smart way of thinking about it. Thanks for sharing.
@DaftPanda1
@DaftPanda1 3 ай бұрын
For me, it's purely the feel of a film camera (the winding of the film reel, the snap of the shutter, and the clicking of the aperture reel), and the feeling that I'm giving something older and disused a new life.
@zerg_burger
@zerg_burger 10 ай бұрын
I like developing film and making darkroom prints because i like having 0 free time
@35mm21
@35mm21 10 ай бұрын
I shoot film and relate to what you're saying but I also used to be a professional sports photographer, and you're off base about sports photography. The very best sports photography captures feeling. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, to borrow a phrase.
@r1berto1
@r1berto1 Ай бұрын
film vs digital: you are so right, I agree with a lot of what you said. Thanks for your post, keep them coming!
@bagnome
@bagnome 10 ай бұрын
I just like old processes because I'm weird. Learning and utilizing them, knowing that's how it was done once upon a time is what I enjoy.
@retrodaniel28
@retrodaniel28 10 ай бұрын
I like film because i can take a bad photo believe it’s good then get my heart broken days after
@Chefboyar__dean
@Chefboyar__dean 9 ай бұрын
Beautifully said
@Minolta_Gal
@Minolta_Gal 10 ай бұрын
Well put! Couldn’t agree more. I love the slowness of film it really makes you think about the shot before you take it. Digital is great when you want to just go out & just worry about the simple side of photography.
@RealSebus
@RealSebus 10 ай бұрын
I didn't know that Jason also had an acting career. Who would have thought that his physical stiffness would let him get into the role?
@TimothyTBC
@TimothyTBC 10 ай бұрын
He does visual effects
@RealSebus
@RealSebus 10 ай бұрын
​@@TimothyTBC one doesn't exclude another
@TimothyTBC
@TimothyTBC 10 ай бұрын
@@RealSebus true, but he has only acted on one short film
@robingoergner725
@robingoergner725 10 ай бұрын
Dude was great in the Barbie movie!
@ironmonkey1512
@ironmonkey1512 10 ай бұрын
Actually the entire video was done by his stunt double.
@angellu6857
@angellu6857 4 ай бұрын
Most inspiring video I've seen in a long time
@MrDyfedjones
@MrDyfedjones 10 ай бұрын
I love it, I shoot both due to whatever image I want to make. No matter what you shoot just shoot
@mrbigg2u
@mrbigg2u 8 ай бұрын
I started on 110 instamatic camera in the 70's, with a revolving flash cube. 50 something years later, and many many cameras later I clutch a gfx. I fucking love it. But i also loved every camera along the way... it's a journey that reflects life. Just discovered your channel. Looking forward to viewing more 👊🏽
@jmm117kgb
@jmm117kgb 10 ай бұрын
I shot 30 rolls of 120 film with a FujiGW690ii during a train trip through europe this summer, and I did it because I personally think 6x9 produces sharper images than what I achieve with digital (at least what I have). I made that choice to obtain nice quality photos with nice colors rather than getting "feelings" images like you described. Although, I get why you said that and I agree with you on that idea. I just feel that there is also the possible avenue to choose film to obtain superior quality of images (And here I think of 6x9, 4x5, 8x10). These formats, to me, will always be superior (in quality and soul) to any digital format.
@Fran-sr1sb
@Fran-sr1sb 10 ай бұрын
representing the half frame gang 😎
@williamshaffer9216
@williamshaffer9216 10 ай бұрын
Good Video, Jason! I was quite surprised (and pleased) to watch a "serious" Jason. Digital Photography is better in many ways to film, but I love to shoot film because I think a lot more about what I want to do and how to do it. I think before I fire the shutteer because I want every exposure to be a good one. I enjoy all the adventures you have with Caleb and always look forward to new ones.
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 10 ай бұрын
Very well stated. Each is better at some things. Folks can choose what suits them best and that is a good thing. I like to think about engagement. You can fire away on digital and get a bunch of raw files that as you said can be significantly altered and distilled later, with no human engagement during the exposure. Film demands engagement. With limited images available on a roll, cropping at the risk of grain and mush, different response palettes, the cost as you pointed out, and so forth one MUST be engaged during setup, decision, and exposure. Indeed, I feel more alive and connected while I am looking through the viewfinder (with both mediums) precisely BECAUSE of the engagement with the process.
@scrips_
@scrips_ 9 ай бұрын
So well said! More inspired to shoot film than ever
@Screenager48
@Screenager48 10 ай бұрын
The last time i came this early, i had to make it up with brunch
@ridebicycles9945
@ridebicycles9945 10 ай бұрын
damn fine video. Well articulated.
@dr.coconut
@dr.coconut 10 ай бұрын
I largely disagree with the sentiment here. Describing the difference between digital and film as feel vs not feel, is a sentiment I don't agree with. It seems dismissive to me to render a whole process as not having "feel". I think film has a certain feel, but alongside that, digital does as well. The sharpness, contrast, and precision from digital vs the softness and light leaks of film are simply two sides of the same coin, not different fields entirely. When I think of a film like Collateral (2004), I don't see a film lacking "feel", despite it being shot on digital. I see a film with amazing contrast and a feel all to it's own. I see the point you're making, but it also harms your own argument. Describing film as better because of imperfection would make something like painting or drawing even more valuable, when in fact that argument doesn't make sense. Imperfection and light leaks does not a feeling make. In fact, I think relying on the look of film to impart a sense of meaning can be a crutch to those in the modern era when comparing to digital. Having to rely on the pre-edited nature of film to create a look for you (I'm not saying that's what you're doing) just shows a lack of knowledge in a different part of the process. I guess I would say that the biggest advantage of film is just not having to edit as much, either beforehand or after. Just choosing film because it makes part of the process easier for you by removing some thought about the look of the photo doesn't make it better, and in fact, in my mind makes it a little less flexible. In a sense, you're training yourself to not have to think about the end result as much because film takes care of so much of that for you. Also, to your point of fixing in post vs pre, that just seems wrong to me. Many of the best photographers, people like Ansel Adams, heavily edited their photos in the darkroom, much like people do today in photoshop. It may be a more hands on process, but it's still essentially the same process.
@spooky_leftist
@spooky_leftist 7 ай бұрын
Honestly I love shooting film for the scan. Digital color correction helps me reach that subjective look. It's been a big topic in cinematography since the early aughts when digital intermediates were a new, popular process; now with Dune and others we're seeing film intermediates for media captured on digital cameras for digital presentation.
@MrKYLEforAwhile
@MrKYLEforAwhile 10 ай бұрын
Great break down of this topic
@Jellybaby50
@Jellybaby50 10 ай бұрын
Well put, Big Guy.
@CassidyHansen
@CassidyHansen 10 ай бұрын
Spot on. Well presented, dude
@ONE35IVE
@ONE35IVE 9 ай бұрын
I use to be a hip hop producer which I think pointed me towards film. It was like sampling from vinyl vs sampling from a download. Both results are up to the skills of the artist but vinyl samples had its own characteristics and the workflow was fun.
@GameLikeYouMeanIt
@GameLikeYouMeanIt 10 ай бұрын
I shoot both. I'm new to film. I like not being able to see the image. When you finally get them back, it's like opening a present. Nothing quite like that feeling.
@louisrimmer6544
@louisrimmer6544 10 ай бұрын
Can’t argue with that!
@VictorGolmei
@VictorGolmei 9 ай бұрын
Best wisdom filled observation ❤
@monkeywrenchedphotography1876
@monkeywrenchedphotography1876 10 ай бұрын
Excellent points!!! And that’s why I shoot film also why I shoot my digital as if it were film
@twoxtone_
@twoxtone_ 10 ай бұрын
love the opener! it doesn't f**kin matter. 100!
@sdkgodeacs
@sdkgodeacs 10 ай бұрын
Spot on. I grew up shooting, developing and printing my own work. Switched in about 2003 when point and shoot digi-cams became popular and my second child was born. Bought a dslr in 2008 and sold a few pieces of film gear thinking I'd never shoot film again. For some reason, I picked up my slr at the beginning of the pandemic without knowing film was a thing again and while I don't shoot enough love it again. I still shoot my dslr but find myself wanting to shoot film more for most of the reasons you said.
@_ASE_
@_ASE_ 9 ай бұрын
I bought my first SLR a few days ago. A random Praktica MTL 5B I found at a market. Everything working so far but I have 5 rolls of film on the way, will test one roll first incase of light leaks etcetera. Wish me luck!!
@stevekingswell9143
@stevekingswell9143 10 ай бұрын
I spend a fair amount of time making perfect digital images look like film, or doing ICM, now that’s super hard with a film camera.
@bunathan2485
@bunathan2485 10 ай бұрын
I just do both 🙃 crazy concept
@trblase
@trblase 10 ай бұрын
I love this video!!! Well thought out and fair. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the Olympus Om1 film cameras. That is what I have and I would love to know what you think of them since I noticed you do not have any videos on any Olympus cameras. My husband and I have learned so much through watching your videos. Thanks!!
@ckhicks
@ckhicks 9 ай бұрын
Great take on this old debate - nice work mate
@RM.TokyoPhotographer
@RM.TokyoPhotographer 10 ай бұрын
one of my photography teacher back in photography school in Tokyo successfully succeeded Daguerrotype re inventing/re mastering how to shoot it....and honesty i would probably will never achieve that level of dedication since you have to literally build a tent right beside where you shot that actual shot the moment its shot you have to process it on location and use toxic materials to post process it....its not the look thats important its that dedication and commitment that makes it worthwhile...thanks for a great videoo...polishing that silver to make it glow. if you can get it done during the shoot *getting the right exposure digital/film if studio if you place the lighting correctly you wont have to tinker around in post and can save tons of time....thats what film taught me...and thats why alot of photography teachers in Tokyo say to students experience film....and if you master it understand it you will exceed in the digital world.
@jameslenney
@jameslenney 5 ай бұрын
This is a great summary. Beautifully considered. I shoot both and it’s the imperfections in film that I like. Subjective.
@igorvainshtein5731
@igorvainshtein5731 10 ай бұрын
Well said!!! I agree wholeheartedly!!!
@Nerdychameleon
@Nerdychameleon 10 ай бұрын
Do a video on half frame photos!!
@FunkyFu211
@FunkyFu211 10 ай бұрын
Great video mate. I can totally relate ✌🏻
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