Filmmakers Speak Out: What the S1H II Must Deliver

[@kraftpunk6654]

8K resolution is pointless, 6K open gate is more than plenty enough. We've reached the point where pixels have become so tiny that shrinking them further isn't going to increase image quality. There needs to be a faster rolling/global shutter, internal 12bit 4444XQ codec, phase detect autofocus, internal ND, and increased dynamic range by at least a stop. I believe these are the main fundamental improvements they need before everything else like high frame rates in open gate.

[@Bigcookfilms]

I left Lumix for the Nikon Z8. I still have love for Lumix and I want them to release a banger soon.

[@thebunn]

All of that would be nice! Plus: - Direct to SSD recording - Built in lidar focusing with I/O for 3rd party motors - Global shutter - 32bit float audio - timecode - Riggable body with removable EVF ( think aspects of FX3 + Fuji GFX)

[@attilahajabacs6453]

I still use S5 Mk1, it's still a fantastic camera. Yes, it would be nice to have some of those features, but they are missing only in ~1% of cases if it's not quite a special project.

[@Christo_glenn]

The OG s5 has amazing image quality. What’s even more insane is how cheap they are on the used market.

[@A1Bokeh]

Honestly that's the way to do it stick with it till the wheels fall off and there's a legit upgrade

[@Talon97]

Said it before and I'll say it again: 2025 is going to be make or break for the Panasonic brand. Either they put out a winner or they're toast. The ball is in your court Panasonic, what's your move?.

[@varmapakalapati9731]

Just add below in the S5llX 1. OLPF 2. Cfexpress 3. Internal ND 4. Internal BRAW 5. Faster readout 6. ALL-I instead of IPB in open gate 7. 14-bit ADC 8. PDAF in all video modes 9. False color 10. No crop in 4K

[@A.Wandering.Novelist]

4k 120fps

[@Khainchi]

4k120 and no crop plus arri log they can do it with gh7 there’s no reason to not do it here

[@ThePistonPit]

And 2 weeks all inclusive holiday to the Maldives… all expenses paid… what else would you like sir? 😛

[@jessecumberledge4530]

I am fine with a GH7 in fullframe for an S12. 6k open gate with a DGO readout for an extra stop to 1.5 stops of dynamic range, 32bit float audio, and yes, internal BRAW would be amazing! I would take the extra dynamic range over 8k all day every day.

[@Abdi_Mohamed_]

Scrap the s1hii leave that to the BS1H ii so film makers truly have a mini cinema body powerhouse The S1 ii, S1Rii leave it to a true photography first body S1h has always been such a massive body even by DSLR standard for budget film makers

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Let's see if they are listening

[@danielshepherdaccounting8979]

If the S5ii and S5iiX are on sale, hopefully this is an early sign of new cameras in the making!

[@jeffrick]

They've milked that one sensor (S1H, BS1H, S5, S5ii, S5iix, S5iid) for about 5 years, so what is really necessary is a sensor that can be good for the next 5. Faster readout to address rolling shutter. 6k 60p. Slightly increased dynamic range (it's already good but gotta keep up with the Joneses). Way less HDMI lag. Internal ND seems like the obvious thing to distinguish the S1 from the more affordable S5 series.

[@errol3184]

The old s1h still has a dynamic range above the r5 Mark 2, z8, pyxis, ect. Netflix approved. Peak performance that rivals a cinema camera is the one thing I don't want compromised in this camera. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much better it can get with a 12 bit readout. It's going to be an absolute earthquake when a full frame camera does 14 bit readout. Imagine duel 16 bit.

[@northislandnow8858]

Realistically Panasonic is missing the Cinema camera lineups. Why did they drop them?

[@cameraheadstudios]

Pan, can we get a BOX camera too. please

[@johnrpittenger]

I just bought a z8 because I was tired of waiting for Lumix. It better be at least that good.

[@daniellrodriguezs]

More dynamic range over megapixel count 👍

[@daniellove162]

I have money and ready to buy. They better release it soon.

[@JMF6315]

Le S1H MARK2 avec le capteur de ATOMOS saphire serait une merveille plus filtre ND interne 🎥🎬👍 Cordialement Jmarc 😎

[@mcmediaandfilm]

Match z8 like for like specs will keep existing users onboard

[@Bigcookfilms]

This is what I reluctantly went to from the S5ii and it's a beast

[@mcmediaandfilm]

@Bigcookfilms yeah I do love the z8 how you finding the battery life ?

[@northislandnow8858]

Be nice if it could have a stacked sensor and true 12 bit internal recording.

[@masterfangeek6689]

4K 120p и 6K 60p с полного кадра, Arri log и больше ступеней динамического диапазона, SDI вход, лучше встроенная запись звука, встроенные ND фильтры, не большое количество мегапикселей, лучше светочувствительность и автофокус, тройное базовое iso, более емкий аккумулятор, запись на cfexpress type b

[@badboyvr4]

I like how your thumbnail says..."Game Changer or Letdown"...sounds like the Canon EOS R1...LOL!!🤣🤣

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yeah - depends on who you speak to on that one.

[@cristianmend]

Why, "prosumers" always demand a high spec from a brand and cheap prices? I mean just go with Red or Arri (If your demand of specs is that high) those two are the top tiers, expensive, but they have the best of the best in a s35mm or FF. At the end of the camera isn't that important, I prefer to invest in good quality lenses or lights.

[@gaarax0x]

And, all they shoot is detail shot of a leaf 😂

[@AllThingsFilm1]

As a visual effects artist on over 40 feature films, I can tell you that 8K is overkill. If you want to “reframe” your shots in post, I suggest you plan your shot list better.

[@harryvlogs7833]

Well leaks say it will have 17syops dynamic range so should be fine

[@aruraru6644]

I prefere a very good 6k resolution mode more than 8k with limitations.

[@illegalalien6542]

Not to be "that guy", but 8K in any tiny compact body like a Lumix is just silly, sorry. Between the (inevitably) slow read/write data speeds and (inevitable) issues regarding overheating that people always bring up in camera discussion 8K is a rather foolish endeavor.Hell, even high end PCs struggle with that resolution/data size. It's like putting a Ferrari engine in a Camry, it's not going to work out. Panasonic needs a reliable and affordable work horse not a show horse. As another user said 2025 is going to be make or break for Panasonic.

[@johnrpittenger]

I use 8k raw in my Z8 and find it very enjoyable! It's so nice to be able to crop without any loss of detail. Also if you down sample the footage it has more dynamic range. There's only positives if you have it good computer.

[@harryvlogs7833]

Dude panasonic already has the most exposure tools on its camera and already gets 14 actual stops of dynamic range in video on its s5ii

[@Bigcookfilms]

12.4 actual stops

[@harryvlogs7833]

@Bigcookfilms no if you watch gerald undone it says it capable of 14

[@northislandnow8858]

@@harryvlogs7833 Not real dynamic range. Not true.

[@harryvlogs7833]

@northislandnow8858 um yeah it is real dynamic range dude he shows in the video. If you do some noise reduction in editing it's usable their for its usable and real dynamic range

[@MrJayclas]

The image quality isn’t an issue with Panasonic S Series. We just need 4k 120-180 with a good bit rate and 6k 60 would be good. I don’t think we need 6k 120😂 We also don’t need false colors on those little 3 inch screens. Just get an external monitor. Also about the Panasonic users waiting, Sony and Canon don’t have a MFT line. Which means, Panasonic is punishing full frame users because they may not have the resources to develop both MFT and full frame. My only problem with his is- other manufacturers have a APSC line. The only company ahead of the game is Fujifilm’s because they only manufacture APSC.

[@Bigcookfilms]

Fujifilm has medium format also

[@johnclay7644]

informative news thanks Simon

[@LensForgotten]

Too late....Got tired of waiting over a year and got tired of Panasonic's silence. Also got tired of most of 2024 being wasted on nothing but the S9. ...Dumped (sold my S1r and S5IIx and lots of glass) all my Lumix and picked up a Nikon Z8 and Z6 III last month. I don't need open gate personally. I need good hybrid features, not just heavy emphasis on video....... I think you're going to get a S1R II with the SL3 60+MP sensor. I feel we are entering an era camera makers need to announce something is coming, even at a basic level, and stop all the NDA's, black taped logos, and silence. No news and no info creates uncertainty when other brands are springing ahead.

[@Giovanni-Giorgio]

6 years is a bit on the long side, but i rather have real firmware updates than a new model every 3 years

[@aruraru6644]

I have an idea for a different kind of cameras. Imagine 5120x2880 150fps, and 2560x1440 600fps.

[@scottrogers2831]

I hope they can stay in the game.

[@harryvlogs7833]

No literally no one wants 8k it's pointless waste of memory even the top arri cinema camera doesn't shoot 8k so clearly pointless

[@Christo_glenn]

Yeah, with those high resolutions probably comes with high rolling-shutter. 6k opengate is more than enough.

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

@@Christo_glennthe Ursa Cine 12K has one of the fastest rolling shutters in 8K. 2nd to only the Venice even beating the Alexa LF. So it’s not just a resolution thing.

[@Bigcookfilms]

​@Christo_glenn The Nikon Z8 has less Rolling shutter than the S5ii/x in 8k and 4.8ms in 4k

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

When our cameras don't have features, we defend why they aren't needed: when they get these features, we jump up and down at how good they are. When I got the R5, I never thought I'd use it. But I always shoot 4K fine and the detail is very good. I also learned something from 8K. With two rebuttals, your affirmative is blown out as you started with no one.

[@harryvlogs7833]

@OrdinaryFilmmaker dude you make no sense and as I said arri alexa doesn't shoot 8k and blows all these cameras out the water

[@sidvicious3129]

We can’t say, I know you are having financial problems, please release a camera. This makes no sense from a business prospective. If they don’t release when we want we complain. If they release and it’s garbage or not quite up to the competition we will complain. If they release and go out of business a short time later we will complain. Consumers are and never will be happy. Let’s stop trying to pressure them and let them release when they are ready, produce a quality product that they can support and thrive from that consumers enjoy using.

[@jjurii]

Developing a car doesn't take 6.5 years, let alone a camera. The key phrase here is "when we want." We wanted it two years ago, and it's severely late. So, the criticism and outrage are justified. Yes, develop it correctly and take your time, but Panasonic, or any other company for that matter, isn't owed any loyalty when people are ready to upgrade.

[@sidvicious3129]

@@jjurii When you are broke, you are broke, and you can't bleed blood from a turnip, no matter how much the key phrase here is "when we want". You are correct, Panasonic or any other company isn't owed loyalty, but they also don't owe you a product either. like Simon said, competition is fierce and if you can't wait or Panasonic doesn't meet your needs, then you pick another manufacturer that does.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Failure to recognize what the consumer wants is what has put them in the place. DOn't change your ways, consumers will go elsewhere.

[@jjurii]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Simon, I’ve had several comments deleted when I have not used any offensive language or touched on sensitive topics. I’m not sure if it’s KZbin filtering it, or if your channel is moderated. I just thought I’d let you know..