Filters for Black and White Film Photography

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Steve O'Nions

Steve O'Nions

4 жыл бұрын

This video was recorded in January 2020, two months before government restrictions on movements due to the Covid-19 Pandemic.
Shooting Black and White film can be challenging but you can dramatically improve the chances of success through the use of coloured filters.
In this video I give a brief overview of how filters work and use two example scenes to illustrate the effects of the yellow, orange, red, green and blue options.
Still images can be viewed on my Instagram page I no longer post images to my Flickr account.
Equipment Used
Bronica SQAi
80 and 50mm lenses
Ilford FP4+
Cokin coloured filters
SRB Elite filter holder system
Sekonic L-508 spotmeter
Vlogging Equipment
GoPro Hero 7 Black
Tascam DR05 audio recorder and Rode Smart Lav mic
Incidental Music
Easy Evenings 12 and Easy Evenings 4 (Epidemic Sound)
Contact Details
Email: steveonions1@gmail.com Twitter: Steve_ONions / steve_onions Instagram: steveonions1 / steveonions1

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@stephan.scharf
@stephan.scharf 4 жыл бұрын
Blue filters are perfect in character portrait photography to accentuate skin imperfections (older people).
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Good point Stephan.
@epstar83
@epstar83 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best demo I’ve seen on filters Steve! Most videos seem to talk only about the sky and how yellow / orange/ red effect the sky. I’ve not seen many demos of green and blue. But I can totally see how in a scene without much sky both of those filters could be of value. Makes me want to get out there and give them a go. Thanks for another good video!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. I’ll follow this up at some point with a video comparing graduated filters and a polariser with the coloured ones.
@RogerHyam
@RogerHyam 4 жыл бұрын
When using a view camera I spot meter through the filter before I put it on the camera. This is good because I'm usually metering the shadows and if I'm using, say, a red filter they will be a lot darker through the filter than simply the manufacture's white light correction - because the light is blue. Always looking to get those shadows dense enough!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger. I usually avoid reading through the filter unless it’s onto a grey card (or similar tone).
@zitnbit
@zitnbit Жыл бұрын
Interesting. This is why old photographers' friend was a yellow filter. It's not the best but it enhance a result at every situation.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely in the yellow is best camp 🙂
@sergeykolbinsky5940
@sergeykolbinsky5940 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work and good examples I finally realized why the need for a blue filter in bw photos
@SmokinGun55
@SmokinGun55 4 жыл бұрын
Another helpful video Steve. Very revealing. Fine work and looking forward to future postings on this subject.
@brianmccutcheon3205
@brianmccutcheon3205 4 жыл бұрын
Have always wanted to know this, you explained it very well. Thank you
@BlackLabAdventures
@BlackLabAdventures 4 жыл бұрын
As always, Steve, excellent video! Thank you!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Barry.
@renepirolt
@renepirolt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping us entertained and educated. Glad you have a backlog of footage. Please keep safe. We're all looking forward to your future outings.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rene, I’m sure I can do something interesting in the garden 🙂
@roywilkinson9879
@roywilkinson9879 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, Steve!
@benjaminfargen
@benjaminfargen 3 жыл бұрын
Great Info...Great Video. Thanks again, Steve!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Benjamin 🙂
@redbank542
@redbank542 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. Needed to understand filters better. Helped a lot
@stuartcazares3747
@stuartcazares3747 4 жыл бұрын
Great video teaching the different effects of the colored filters available. Very informational and entertaining. Thanks!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stuart, glad you liked it.
@randybennett6846
@randybennett6846 4 жыл бұрын
As always Steve, a well thought out, concise vid; this actually was very helpful to me regarding the green and blue filter effects. Thanks again, and stay safe
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy 🙂
@JeffStovall38
@JeffStovall38 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this really helpful video Steve. I appreciate your time, effort, and expense to make this demonstration.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it Jeff 👍
@pumper325
@pumper325 Жыл бұрын
You are a Jedi. JC that was an incredible tutorial. I can't thank you enough brother.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
🙂
@CornishMotorcycleDiaries
@CornishMotorcycleDiaries 4 жыл бұрын
Most helpful Steve and also props for making it clear about staying safe.
@FinalManaTrigger
@FinalManaTrigger 4 жыл бұрын
You're not going to catch COVID-19 by being out in the wilderness alone. The lockdown where he lives seems very heavy-handed.
@paultaylorphotography9499
@paultaylorphotography9499 3 жыл бұрын
Red was always my go to filter but that green on the woodland was impressive. Great vid Steve cheers.
@kent2000100
@kent2000100 4 жыл бұрын
I always learn something from you on these videos, very enjoyable to watch. Thank you!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kent.
@user-is4jf8yr4z
@user-is4jf8yr4z 3 жыл бұрын
I like the Blue Filter, it creates a kind of dreamy mood.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely a different look, all the others are variations on the same basic look but blue is way out there.
@csreiter
@csreiter 2 жыл бұрын
This was the comparison I was looking for. Thank you!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Chris.
@Wolfcubware
@Wolfcubware Жыл бұрын
Found your channel a few months back and I've been binging your stuff ever since, straight-forward, down to earth content that's helped me improve my own work. Can't wait to try using filters on my black and white rolls, keep up the good work!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
Thanks Arron, I’m glad you enjoy the videos 🙂
@jasonjeandron9380
@jasonjeandron9380 4 жыл бұрын
Hugely helpful. Thanks, a lot!
@geirfinnlysne712
@geirfinnlysne712 2 ай бұрын
Good work. Thank you!
@duogelland
@duogelland 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, that's really a wonderful demonstration about filter effects.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it 😊
@oldfilmguy9413
@oldfilmguy9413 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent exercise! Thank you, and nice to see these done using Cokin filters - they don't cost an arm and a leg! Great video, and looking forward to further explorations! Cheers!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙂
@georgefrench1907
@georgefrench1907 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent exercise. Thank you.
@jakobstyrupbrodersen926
@jakobstyrupbrodersen926 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an excellent video :-) Now I understand the green and the blue filters :-)
@davecockayne8491
@davecockayne8491 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Highly informative. Thanks,Steve. Regards,Dave.
@ManCalledMif
@ManCalledMif Жыл бұрын
I’m new to filters. Great video demonstration of the effect of the different colours. Thanks 🙏🏼
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome.
@lhuhnphotography
@lhuhnphotography 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve. This is good timing for me. I just bought a set of B&W filters for my 4x5 camera and though I already understood the basics, this side by side comparison was valuable.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was useful Larry.
@iNerdier
@iNerdier 4 жыл бұрын
Well I’ve learnt something from this, apparently I would enjoy trying out a blue filter.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely worth trying, especially if there’s mist around.
@billleontaritis7638
@billleontaritis7638 3 жыл бұрын
excellent as always, great information.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill.
@aviathor
@aviathor 4 жыл бұрын
As always, another great video, thank you very much, you inspire me
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you liked it Claudio.
@timbrown5304
@timbrown5304 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating Steve. I thoroughly enjoyed that and I'm looking forward to the next one.
@grahamrichards8531
@grahamrichards8531 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, a brilliant demonstration, many thanks.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Graham.
@millerviz
@millerviz 4 жыл бұрын
Very instructive. Thanks for doing this.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Curtis 👍
@TheGazmondo
@TheGazmondo 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, what I like about this video, it’s what we all ways say we will get around to doing, and of course never really do thoroughly. So again well done mate, great demo !
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary.
@bakermantube
@bakermantube 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video and a wonderful landscape, thank you so much! Stay safe!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andreas.
@bobbygoulding2124
@bobbygoulding2124 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great! Thank you for sharing your knowledge
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bobby 👍
@brett1354
@brett1354 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. I thought I was the only one who had blue filters. Useful for compressing contrast.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
A much underrated tool 👍
@anthonybeggs9173
@anthonybeggs9173 3 жыл бұрын
very useful informative, good comparisons to help understand differences
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it Anthony.
@trailimagesphotography6635
@trailimagesphotography6635 4 жыл бұрын
Steve, a fine tutorial using the various filters here. Although I do not do B&W directly I do convert in PS color transparencies to B&W. I totally agree with the red filter on the beach area and thought the blue in the tree-land scene worked best leaving it for creative changes in post processing. Nice to see you still have some vlogs to post from our pre-pandemic world. Thanks for sharing.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@KerryFreemanMelbourne
@KerryFreemanMelbourne 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kerry.
@stuartbaines2843
@stuartbaines2843 4 жыл бұрын
Very good demonstration of filter use 👍 Can't say i find it easy to previsualise these results myself 🤔
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stuart.
@jasonwander4841
@jasonwander4841 4 жыл бұрын
great comparison, and hope you stay safe from the virus .
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason.
@TheMrMKultra
@TheMrMKultra 4 жыл бұрын
Great showcase, thanks for that! I'd like to add something worth noting: The reason some tones (like the shadows) seem to be "lifted" with certain colour filters is the added exposure one has to give it to compensate for the tones that the filter filters out. So when the blue shadows look lighter with the blue filter, it's because of the +2 stop exposure, but the other tones are just toned down. Of course you can't record tones brighter than the scene gives to you and than the film is able to record.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Very true Marvin 👍
@richardsimms251
@richardsimms251 26 күн бұрын
Very good video
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 23 күн бұрын
Thanks
@mcdo0gal1985
@mcdo0gal1985 2 ай бұрын
on that first exercise I liked red for the top half (beach, water, sky) and yellow for the bottom half (grass)!
@mcdo0gal1985
@mcdo0gal1985 2 ай бұрын
ah, but I guess the stop adj would create an issue actually doing something like that!
@DiviPhotos
@DiviPhotos 3 жыл бұрын
Cool video
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@laughinggravy6617
@laughinggravy6617 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve, I always enjoy your videos. I hope your'e doing okay in lockdown, must be hard not being able to go out as much, especially in this beautiful weather.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like a cat that’s sat behind a window looking out at little birds 😊
@isaiaszepeda42
@isaiaszepeda42 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation Steve have never try filters before, i think i will get my mamiya 645 and give it a try and see if i can come out with something good stay safe
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Isaias, good luck with the 645.
@thevalleywalker
@thevalleywalker 4 жыл бұрын
Explained perfectly for those like myself who have not shot film. I have some cokin coloured filters here (yellow n orange) and a roll of B&W film, will have to take them with me when I eventually get5 back out - thanks again Steve, hope this situation is not driving you too scatty - fingers crossed it won't be as long as the forecast suggest. Atb Alan
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alan. Sadly we seem to be forecast to get lovely weather for the next couple of weeks 😕
@asherdog9248
@asherdog9248 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, I will catch you next video with the polarizer.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
Please do!
@valerijkoval2904
@valerijkoval2904 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve! Well done! Very usefull information! Greetings from Ukraine!!!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Valerij.
@steveh1273
@steveh1273 4 жыл бұрын
Good one Steve. I don't own a blue filter, but now I realize that if a scene could work in high key, use of a blue filter would help get you there.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Even I’ve realised I need to be using it more Steve 🙂
@vedostuu
@vedostuu 4 жыл бұрын
Great insights! I usually measure the filter compensation with a light meter, just holding the filter over the meter. I think yellow or even orange filter is a must, unless you are shooting portraits :) The blue gives nice orthocromatic look to portraits.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I’d nearly always use a yellow as a standard filter unless it’s dull and rainy when I usually do without anything.
@v-g-z3689
@v-g-z3689 4 жыл бұрын
This has been the only useful information on this subject I hve found so far on the internet. Very well done! 1,5 years ago, I shot some black and white ORWO NP 20 film in Italy on holiday, using a yellow-green filter for "street"-photography. The results were not very pleasing: Way to much contrast, black shadows, white highlights, very little midtones. I´ve been trying to find out the different effects of the filters since then, but nobody did a proper side by side comparison like this. Now that has changed, thank you!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I’m very pleased you found the video useful 🙂
@terrywbreedlove
@terrywbreedlove 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thank you. I use green and yellow for foliage. Green for green leaves etc. Yellow for fall colors. I have a red filter for blue skies with white clouds. A polarizer to cut glare on the wet leaves and rocks etc. I shoot my Hassleblad and Chamonix F1 4x5 cameras and never use a graduated ND filter preferring to take care of that in the darkroom. Oh and I have a couple full ND filters.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Terry. I’d like to do another test and include grads alongside polariser.
@jamescorcoran7682
@jamescorcoran7682 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome James.
@raybeaumont7670
@raybeaumont7670 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, excellent display of the filter effects. I prefer yellow or orange on FP4 - the red gives too much contrast for my printing style. I do use the blue occasionally - to add a little extra depth to skin tones sometimes. Works wonders for freckles! LOL Thanks, and take care.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ray.
@sylvainp1786
@sylvainp1786 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful video Steve, thank you! I'm just starting shooting b&w after a few years sticking to color negative.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sylvain.
@sylvainp1786
@sylvainp1786 4 жыл бұрын
@@SteveONions do you have a recommendation for a decent 35mm film scanner for someone on a budget? I use an epson flatbed right now, but it's kind of a pain for 35mm...
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Sylvain Petit you could try an intermediary model like a Plustek or even a Reflecta Crystalscan 7200. I have the latter and it gives a true 3200 dpi with excellent infrared cleaning. It’s not as good as a late Coolscan or Minolta but a big step up from a flatbed.
@sylvainp1786
@sylvainp1786 4 жыл бұрын
@@SteveONions thank you I'll check those out!
@photog1529
@photog1529 4 жыл бұрын
I'm for any filter that eliminates the wind generators from the scene. :) Very nice demonstration, Steve.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, yes - blue really does have a purpose 😀
@jimkarban6489
@jimkarban6489 3 жыл бұрын
A purple filter will act like a polarizer. I've used one to knock down reflections on rock formations. Kills the UV light I guess. Also, I like placing a red filter on the lens with a polarizer over it, then include the bluest part of the sky in the scene to get a very dark sky against white but detailed clouds. Great video Steve, really got me thinking about the other colors and their filter factors.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never come across a purple filter Jim, I have used red and polariser which gives a very strong effect.
@DizinEire
@DizinEire 4 жыл бұрын
I tend to shoot the same photo in colour and mono. So filter up for colour, then shoot both. My mono contrast filters dont extend beyond Orange and Red. A timely reminder to revisit the other colours. I haven't used Blue, but you vlog has me intrigued Thanks Steve. Cheers Diz
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Diz. I remember being surprised at the response of the blue filter when I saw it covered in Ansel Adams book series.
@JohnTomasella
@JohnTomasella 4 жыл бұрын
Well at least you had the same thing happen that I do. You shot toward the hazier sky @1:30 as opposed to the bluer sky @1:35, and it didn't go as dark as it could of. I used a green filter on some pine trees, same kind as your second photo, they were in full sun and it managed to turn the needles white. It was exactly what I wanted. Seeing your green filter where the greens were in the shade, I can now see what effect the sun has on the subject and filter.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. I’ve used green to give a result close to infrared at times. I would have chosen to shoot the deep blue sky but I really wanted the beach in the shot 🙂
@buyaport
@buyaport 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. Apparently many film photographers of today don't appreciate or understand filters. I learned that a yellow filter would give your pictures a natural look i.e. what you see. That is the main reason I use 400 ISO film - to shoot handheld with a filter...
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I also like to shoot 400 speed handheld to allow for a filter, it’s a bit of a push with ISO 100 even with primes 🙂
@erichstocker4173
@erichstocker4173 4 жыл бұрын
As always really well done and very useful.
@RobertBergan
@RobertBergan 4 жыл бұрын
Great informative video. Definitely trying out a blue filter now. Would be great if you could do this with a wider range of subjects, especially city scapes or architecture. Maybe even a series, one video for each coloured filter. Hint hint.....
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Roger, glad you said what I’ve been thinking 🙂. Separate videos would be very useful in a mix of environments. PS - I’ll be introducing some urban content this year.
@erinmontoya1128
@erinmontoya1128 4 жыл бұрын
Great insight into the effects of B&W filters I wonder how a blue filter would effect black and white portraits in natural light. I bet you could achieve a nice backlit shot without blowing out the highlights.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I think blue offers a lot of possibilities Erin, it’s effect is totally different to the other four.
@MichaelWellman1955
@MichaelWellman1955 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Color filters are such an important part of a B&W photographers tools to use. Unfortunately, I don't think many new photographers are aware of it. Unfortunately the video wasn't as good as your prints to see the difference or at least on my screen. I'm a big red filter user and I was surprised to see the sky so light with a red filter. I usually get a 1-2 stop darker sky than what you got. A polarizer and red filter when you have big clouds in the sky is fantastic. Thanks for the video. Stay safe
@MichaelWellman1955
@MichaelWellman1955 4 жыл бұрын
@@lisaw150 These are different times now for photography and film. I'm in Austin, TX and we are fortunate to have a large camera store here but they're film supply and related film items is rather dismal. I buy all my film needs on-line with one of the big camera stores out of NY or CA.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. The direction I shot in made the effect less noticeable, the sky behind me was deep blue but there was little else of interest in the scene so I decided to stick with the beach view. Next time I’ll ensure the sky is the main element of the test.
@distagon6052
@distagon6052 4 жыл бұрын
It may be interesting for viewers to have you compare degrees of exposure compensation based around the filter factor.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I need to cover this in more detail next time I delve into filters. I’ll pick a few different locations and also use 35mm so I can include a polariser and ND grads.
@mcroman-superfeat
@mcroman-superfeat Жыл бұрын
Hi, Funny just thinking what filter I should use to improve my shoot in B&W, and I stumble over this (again)see this episode 3-5 times, very learning ::: I just Invest in a USED - Nikon D5300 + Nikon Lens 18-105mm (150£), and this too: Nikon F60 Film Camera with Tamron 70-300 Lens. (28£) All Cameras look like NEW ;) :: What I hear you say YELLOW is a great filter to use w/ Orange & Red . THX for sharing this knowledge and all hard work you do, and also sharing this info... /// McRoman ...
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the video Ian.
@Paws2Explore
@Paws2Explore 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, thank you for such an in-depth but not overwhelming explanation and presentation. I guess I am now off to purchase a set of coloured filters for my 35mm. Can I just clarify that yellow should be used in all but rainy dull days and then the others based on their colour and that of they type of scene and the colours in that scene etc.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I’d pretty much go with your summary, yellow is a go to filter for me unless very dull and grey.
@kharisekky6339
@kharisekky6339 Жыл бұрын
What the best filter for skin tones in bw photo?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
I’m really not sure which filter would work best, I don’t shoot portraits 🙂
@BillPutnamPhoto
@BillPutnamPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm looking at filters now and this helps. Red it is! Have you ever stacked filters?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Only a couple of times to be honest to slow down the shutter speed and this was red and orange. Not sure what it would look like if you used something like red and blue!
@davidpresnell1734
@davidpresnell1734 4 жыл бұрын
I shoot a Mamiya RB 67 which loves to go outside. I notice you don't include a polarizing filter in your investigation. Depending on the angle of the sunlight I get some amazing results, minimising some of the problems you note. Thanks for the educating notes.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. The simple reason I left out the polariser was that I had just enough frames to cover the 5 filters and one unfiltered shot for the two scenes. I’d have needed another roll to do it with the polariser (definitely next time though) 😀
@davidpresnell1734
@davidpresnell1734 4 жыл бұрын
Amazed that you replied! Thanks! I've just adapted my RB with a 90mm view camera lens. It cuts down on the weight and slows me down enough to think about the quality of my images. I'm eating up your videos! I still print with an omega 4x5 enlarger and enjoy nature like you do. I live in Florida where we have nature to rival your area. Thanks again and photograph your brains out!
@martinmonk9504
@martinmonk9504 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, many thanks for this comparison. How much of a factor is the specific emulsion used? I.e. would you expect the same results with say Delta 100 or Tri-X? As far as I know, Kodak has tried to eliminate the need for filters by tweaking the film's responses to different light wavelengths. I tried new Tmax 400 without filter and got very dark skies with it, for example.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
They all differ Martin, I chose FP4+ as it’s fairly standard but even your brand of filter would make subtle changes. It’s worth sticking to as few films and developers as possible to reduce the number of variable.
@buchsg
@buchsg 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I was thinking watching the beach result, maybe I would use some color graduated filters one red for the 2/3 of the picture and a « reversed » graduated blue to open the shadow in the grass... I need to try that one day to see if it could work 😀
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
That could actually work Gregory.
@jimkarban6489
@jimkarban6489 3 жыл бұрын
That's a killer idea! Could experiment with a digital camera in monochrome mode to see the effect.
@avr10
@avr10 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, thanks for your excellent examples and comparison. I was wondering how much it's a problem to have color cast from ND filters when shooting film. I guess it can be easily corrected for digital, but what about BW film?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not a problem with B&W film as the cast (if any) is very slight and makes no difference when rendered in a grey scale. I’ll do a follow up video later this year comparing coloured and graduated filters.
@barrydduggan
@barrydduggan 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Steve. Would it not be easier however to just adjust the contrast in Lightroom? Cheers.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
You can do some adjustment in LR Barry but the filters do provide some separation in the tones which helps a lot. In the darkroom however I have no such control so I have to get it right in the negative.
@guillermoperezsantos
@guillermoperezsantos 4 жыл бұрын
The green filter is the best for lanscape, the red filter is good for street photo
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I like green but prefer yellow as an all round filter 🙂
@philipculbertson55
@philipculbertson55 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. I was really surprised at the differences in the shots. So would the result on a digital file in LR follow the same basic rule regarding Blue and Red? Red being most contrasty and blue lifting shadows? Would you begin with a blue filter profile or just do a black and white conversion and then just adjust for tone using basic controls. I guess to simplify, is there a reason in LR to pick a BW filter profile or can the same effect be obtained issuing a basic conversion and then just adjusting for tone as desired?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
If I am working in Lightroom I’d just start with the straight colour image then adjust contrast and brightness initially. After than I’d work on the individual colour channels, especially blue but only if necessary, I like to keep the scene natural and not over processed.
@larseberhart
@larseberhart 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that great video! I have been considering filters for BW for a while, but never settled on a system. I use a orange screw-in on my FE2, but I want to get a holder system. I also use a Bronica SQ (with 80mm and 40mm). So, whatever I get, would need to fit those lenses, the lenses on my intrepid (smaller diameter than the Bronica SQ). And also whatever lens I use on my Nikons. The 14-24/2.8 might be an issue. Are there any recommendations?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Lars. Depending on which 40mm Bronica lens you use you’ll. need a pretty big filter. My PS 40 can just about work with 100mm square filters - just. All the other lenses you mention will be fine with 85mm square ones.
@larseberhart
@larseberhart 2 жыл бұрын
@@SteveONions Thanks. I have the 40/4 S. I am considering the upgrade to the PS.
@arildedvardbasmo490
@arildedvardbasmo490 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Hasselblad lens repair, which repairshop did you use? I just had my 80mm CF shutter and lens completely CLAd at Cameratiks in Edinburgh and only paid £120 or something like that. Thanks for the video! It made me realise the difference between red and orange, and some understanding about my blue filter...
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t remember who repaired it to be honest as it was 10 years ago but I do remember them saying the sand had got everywhere.
@tomharold8239
@tomharold8239 4 жыл бұрын
Is this around by Crosby/Formby kinda area? Used to love going there
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
It is indeed Crosby beach Tom.
@dimbaida
@dimbaida 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Really helpful! Can you please tell me which type of red filter you used? Was #25 or #29?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a 25 🙂
@mauro_music
@mauro_music 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Green could be good for portraits?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
It could be good indeed.
@michaelcase8574
@michaelcase8574 Жыл бұрын
Portrait photographers would also use green filters to smooth out skin tones and hide blemishes.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
Very true 🙂
@richardstollar4291
@richardstollar4291 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparisons... Have you tried using graduated colour filters? I'm new to 4x5 and am trying to get as much information from more experienced shooters as I can. Perhaps using something like a graduated yellow covering the sky and a graduated blue on the foreground? Sure the different compensations may need to add a grad ND over the yellow but could be interesting.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Now that would be interesting Richard, I think those grads are extremely cheap too.
@pixiedixie3682
@pixiedixie3682 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, but what about to use glass filters on digital cameras? Do they work as well as on film cameras? Thank you.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never actually tried applying coloured filters to digital imaging. Not yet anyway.
@steveschnetzler5471
@steveschnetzler5471 4 жыл бұрын
I picked up these filters (used) years ago, but never knew what to do with them. Great explanation, Thanks. Would also be interested to know if there is any advantage to use them on digital cameras, when you know you are going B/W conversion? Maybe under extreme conditions, or to be able to see what you would might get later (in LR)?
@martineden1165
@martineden1165 4 жыл бұрын
I've used my red and yellow before on my dslr knowing I would convert later to b&w and it has added the exact contrast you would expect from film. Also have a cheap 10 stop nd filter that doesn't filter infrared, so color shots come out as if shot with a red filter adding nice contrast when converted as well. So I guess yeah, give it a shot if you want!
@steveschnetzler5471
@steveschnetzler5471 4 жыл бұрын
@@martineden1165 Thanks, I will.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never tried it Steve, might be worth a go 🙂
@impressionsoflight9263
@impressionsoflight9263 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, thanks for the video. As you know different filters affect different colours. I’m curious what would happen in that last shot if you split the shot into two exposures, each one stop under. The first using a green filter and the second using a blue. Could be an interesting experiment (or not :) ) Stay safe 👍🏻
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good question and not something I’ve ever tried before. Maybe there’s a video in it 😀
@impressionsoflight9263
@impressionsoflight9263 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm maybe there’s a commission in it for me 😂
@doogster07
@doogster07 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve. I’m in the market for a Bronica SQ-AI. I really like the square format. Anyway, I saw that you are able to use a shutter release cable. My question is; are you able to do long exposures longer than 8 seconds (bulb mode). I have been unable to find whether or not the SQ-AI has a bulb mode. Thanks for any info and stay safe!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. The SQAi has the longest shutter time of the range at 16 seconds. After that you can use either Bulb or ‘T’, the latter is performed directly on the lenses and a fully manual mode.
@doogster07
@doogster07 4 жыл бұрын
Steve O'Nions thanks Steve! Love all of your videos and your work is truly inspiring!! In fact, I bought a Holga 120n after watching your seascape Holga and Pinhole video. Got some amazing shots the other day and fell in love with the square format 😀. Thanks again for all of your videos and stay safe!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Sesta Glad you’re enjoying the Holga Chris.
@stefansipl6736
@stefansipl6736 3 жыл бұрын
this was really helpful! Thanks! I plan to buy a Leica Q2 Monochrom and as I understand it I have to use filters while taking the picture because in post processing it’s not possible anymore to address these channels. Well, sounds logical :) So is it reasonable to start of with yellow and red? I mainly shoot people (portraits/street).
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the Q2 Stefan, it sounds like a great camera.
@justindavisphotography
@justindavisphotography Жыл бұрын
With 200+ comments I’m not sure this was already asked or not. Great video. Really useful info, as I’ve come to expect from watching your videos over the last week, already subscribed. That said the negative isn’t the end of the story is it? I’m wondering what the difference you get between being able to make the same image with VC paper and the print vs what you got on the different negatives. Does that make sense? With a limited budget, for example why buy a yellow filter if I could get the same effect when printing? Not saying you can, asking the question, could you? The info on the blue filter was especially interesting!
@SteveONions
@SteveONions Жыл бұрын
Good question Justin. It's extremely rare that using a filter will make a shot work compared to not using one. The differences are often subtle, especially when using the more modest colours (I don't care much for red or even orange in landscape work). What I do notice is the subtle improvement in tonal separation, to my eye a shot taken with a yellow filter looks better than one taken without a filter. This isn't always the case and on dull/overcast days it makes no appreciable difference to my eye. If I were to work exclusively with a film/digital workflow then I could achieve good results without the filter. Digital processing allows so much more control over highlights and shadows that even a poor negative can be rescued. In the darkroom however I need all the help I can get and having even slightly improved separation and a darker sky means less manipulations are required. I particularly dislike working on the sky area with long and complicated burning and find the yellow filter will reduce this noticeably. PS - another reason for using XP2 super is the much improved highlight control, even when used without a filter.
@justindavisphotography
@justindavisphotography Жыл бұрын
@@SteveONions thank you so much for taking the time to leave such a thoughtful response. Excellent feedback for someone thinking about returning to film after being away 25 years.
@mkinghk
@mkinghk 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. The demonstration make me easy to learn. May I know what series of Cokin filter you are using?is it the z series?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 3 жыл бұрын
I now use the Z series on the Bronica but the video uses the smaller P range I believe. I need the larger size for the 40mm PS lens that has a 95mm filter thread.
@mkinghk
@mkinghk 3 жыл бұрын
Steve O'Nions thanks!
@patrickmarquetecken8107
@patrickmarquetecken8107 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video, for the moment I have not good results with my filters. But the blue seems, to be a good choice for high key and long exposures for sea scapes I suppose ?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
Blue is a real oddball Patrick, often it will kill a scene but it can also expand shadows and reduce contrast in others. Well worth an extra frame when you are unsure of how to capture certain scenes.
@patrickmarquetecken8107
@patrickmarquetecken8107 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I’m also still trying to get a black sky , using a Red filter and a Polarisation filter.
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve, just finished reviewing this video again. I recently purchased a set of Cokin B&W filters. I want to start using them, more often, however, I have a technical question. When I scan my film, I only adjust the histogram sliders, to ensure there is no clipping of highlights and shadows, and a slight adjustment of the mid tone slider. My concern is, I want to ensure, the effects of the filters is not lost. Question, is my technique okay ? Or, better, what do you recommend ? Than you so much . Ken
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting point Ken. I use the same process as you when scanning, although I now predominantly use a mirrorless camera. There should be no change to your process, once the image is recorded on the film in B&W there is no way the software can interpret colour differently. It is also true however that scanning will handle the representation of the tones differently than optical enlarging. It can therefore be more difficult to see the subtleties of filtration compared to optical enlarging.
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 2 жыл бұрын
@@SteveONions Thank you Steve. I currently use a Pushtek 7600 scanner for 35mm. And my dSLR for 6x6 and 4x5 large format. It's been like -14c here in Massachusetts, just too cold to go out for some test work. I had some Cokin kit lying around, but no B&W filters, and noticed that's what you were using.. Most of my good work is done on medium format, and I had all the adapters and hoods. Well, can't wait to try them , and scan. KB
@sparkleglitch13
@sparkleglitch13 4 жыл бұрын
In your experience does using a physical filter benefit a digital B&W sensor like it does film? Or does Lightroom do a good enough job with a raw file?
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 4 жыл бұрын
I've never tried it Eris but I think it would make a very interesting video!
@hkraytai
@hkraytai 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of #11 yellow green? #8 yellow seems too weak most of the time.
@SteveONions
@SteveONions 2 жыл бұрын
I’m quite liking the yellow green (I have a couple of screw in ones), some yellow filters are a bit weak.
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