Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth story is a mess (101 Hours Later Spoiler Rant)

[@salmark9080]

youre a cool dude but super L take. Rebirth is excellent and had a blast playing it. Lot of great moments, these are very shallow complaints

[@Rihcterwilker]

His complaints are mostly based on expectations coming from the story of the original ps1 game. Like Zack being shown too soon, or the parallel timeline with the ghosts "ruining" the story. A massive remake of this scale, that would be just the old story, no surprises, no new twists, would be so damn boring for true fans, that have played the original game to death. It seems to have been made for both the people that know the game from back to back, and also for the people that know nothing about it. Seeing Zack too soon does not reveal his twist related to Cloud, at all. So far, i think it was handled well.

[@salmark9080]

@@Rihcterwilker yeh I see where he’s coming from and could see why people would want a 1 to 1 but I’m always down for a new adventure from those guys at square. Some of the last greats remaining

[@Mykal06]

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[@RobotCo-Op]

The absolute worst thing you could ever do to a story about accepting loss is to do tired multiverse tropes.

[@thebibliophilering8881]

I hate multiverses (in every universe).

[@RevaliHeeHo]

There are some movies, books and video games that make good use of them like Xenoblade and Spider-Verse movies.

[@TheNibiru720]

I also hate the multiverse. I guess it feels almost like a cop out whenever time travel is taking place.

[@snappertrx]

Final Fantasy already has a multiverse, its called Dissidia.

[@axx012]

@@TheNibiru720 I am disappointed with how much they are toeing the line with following the OG game, which defeats the purpose of REMAKE and REBIRTH, so I am not expecting a difference with the third game. It's just the same game with more filled-out content and filler quests to an otherwise same pathway as the OG.

[@Mykal06]

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[@johnwolf8995]

The T rating REALLY held this game back..

[@YouTubeCensors]

😂 SE is made up of clowns, they're catering or supposed to be catering to a fanbase that's mostly 30+ and think Going T rating was a great idea just because Modern 🤡 s think Smoking is M rated.

[@Ottotyler]

Yup. Particularly where Cid is concerned

[@jthecryptid]

The Trail of Blood scene was hurt real bad by censorship. Why is there alien blood everywhere? The scene is JENOVA/Sephiroth massacering all the humans,not tje other way around

[@LordMalice6d9]

@@jthecryptid Exactly. And Square also pretty much ruined Nanaki's or Red XIII"s signature scene in the FF7: Rebirth. The Zack reveal so early on also completely ruins Cloud's backstory because it spoils his pivotal moment in Disc 2 in the original game. I know Nojima and Nomura and Kitase didn't want to do a one-to-one remake of FF7, but how is changing the entire tone and major plot points supposed to honor the legacy of FF7 really?

[@KritoSkywaker]

​@@jthecryptid The trail of blood scene was also censored in Ever Crisis. It was turned into blue colored. 😅🤦🏻

[@mastergodai]

LOL! Sometimes I think Nomura should just stick to character designs and stay away from storywriting XD

[@MugenLord]

I know right lol.

[@Drakan86]

Kazushige Nojima wrote the story....

[@gt.2k]

@@Drakan86 Nomura's the Director. The buck (yen?) stops with him. Some video I watched said it best: He's a fashion designer, not a director.

[@923crono]

Yep. Nomura has complete control of this cluster fuck

[@Drakan86]

Pretty sure if not for Nomura in the first place. Aeriths death wouldnt have been a thing. The original idea was to have most of the party die during the Midgar raid at the end of disc 2.

[@sketchasaurrex4087]

FF7 remake feels more like kingdom hearts now

[@NetBattler]

I guess the writer can't separate between final fantasy and kingdom hearts....

[@random_an0n]

no it doesnt

[@TheManaTree777]

You clearly did not played KH.

[@sketchasaurrex4087]

@drsw36 random storylines that don't make sense. Needing to play games outside the main title to understand some of the interactions, plots, and characters. Nothing like KH 😄

[@youngsplikak5867]

@@sketchasaurrex4087he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol

[@brijor6ff7]

Sephriroth in the original is ominous, but his motivation is clear. Now he's like an insane ex girlfriend who makes no sense, never shuts up, and it feels pointless fighting him because this universe has no rules, and no real stakes... Crazy that this is considered good content in 2024.

[@SephirothOwa13]

The Remake Project is making me like Sephiroth less and less. He's boring and annoying. TALKS too much.

[@923crono]

That's a Nomura trope. Keep popping the villain, and they constantly lose. No sense of a threat

[@holy9781]

​@@923cronouh Nomura simps will say normura didn't make the changes,as if the directors doesn't touch story.anyone who play kh knows when Nomura hits the screen.ff community is so different now

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Yep. Sephiroth has been getting consistently lamer with each appearance after the original game. He's been shoved in our faces far too much, to the point that even in the 'remake' trilogy, he seemingly shows up in person every twenty minutes or so just to remind you that yeah, I'm Sephiroth and I'm cool. But it's just not cool anymore. The air of mystery and awe from the OG game is gone completely. I mean, by the end of Rebirth, Sephiroth has now had his ass handed to him over and over again by every main character in the game. Yeah, he's not dead yet, but it's just getting really silly now. I know people like Sephiroth, but they didn't need to shoehorn him into the remakes as the obligatory final boss every time in their drawn-out 'remake' trilogy based off of a singular PS1 game.

[@SephirothOwa13]

@@N.i.E.M.O This is true. Also, for how much they're shoving him in our faces, you'd think they'd do something interesting with him. Nope! Just villain time and boring and suddenly wants to bang Cloud. When did we get fanfic yaoi Sephiroth?

[@N.i.E.M.O]

@@SephirothOwa13 They definitely did Sephiroth dirty. He was once of my favorite fictional characters back in the day, but these days I don't think much of him, mainly due to stuff like Advent Children, Crises Core, and the 'remake trilogy' progressively destroying his character. It really is a shame.

[@docblack59]

There should be a imaginary rule that story writers can't use time travel/multiverse as a main story element in games. Chrono Trigger got away with it, but it seems like games that use it to a small degree like Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time often works.

[@Marcustheseer]

I dont mind time travel or paralel universes but it has to be done right,often its used without knowing how it works and that just ruins it,but in this game so far its actualy done wel

[@blumiu2426]

It's VERY hard to do well and advice given has always been don't focus on the time-travel. Focus on things effected by it, because it's impossible to make trime-travel factual before you end up having the plot fall apart doing so. The Time Machine is the example to follow, Stein's Gate did it well, but near all Square and Square-Enix's attempts have not been good.

[@xcenic]

It's as if a group of idiots praised nomura and claimed him as a figure with a master in multiverse themes that in every product he touches he has to add the theme, it's as if he doesn't know how to link the plots with his nonsensical arguments. SE need to dump that dude without time to even pack his office.

[@MmeCShadow]

It works if it's core to the original narrative. Chrono Trigger was built around time travel. Crack in Time was built around time travel. If this had been clear it was a time travel reexamination of FF7 and that the characters actually had agency in that, had to struggle with keeping things 'correct' but also with their own desires to change the past, I think you could have had an interesting conflict that actually took advantage of yhe premise AND played with player emotions. Do you want to set right what went wrong, or are you still desperate to save Aeris and roll the dice on the fate of the world, As it stands they want to have their cake in one universe and eat it in another. I don't mind them going in a different direction (would have been nice to advertise that, though), but the execution leaves MUCH to be desired.

[@kashifmoore]

CHRONO TRIGGER got away with it lol the whole story is based on time dude

[@Mangomesh]

I love the original Cid in FF7, he is everyone's favourite cigarette smoking, foul mouthed astronaut. Best character ever, this is unforgivable what Enix has done to him. Makes you wonder what they will change when they remake FF9?

[@Joe_334]

Make all of the playable characters human, and strip it of any meaningful story probably...

[@blumiu2426]

I don't think they will do it now unless sales in the West are better than Remake. They will have to finish this out, but I don't think seeing continued diminishing returns is what they expected or wanted. FFIX would be a nightmare because it was intended to be what it was on the PSOne with a classic FF approach that current SE seems to loathe.

[@CERap22]

Put simply-- you cannot show a smoker or the act of smoking in a video game and still be rated T+. If you do, your game AUTOMATICALLY get an M+ rating. That was an ESRB mandate a year or 2 ago. And since they voice act, he can't drop Fbombs in the form of &#$&

[@mel-el5862]

Sweet baby inc bro.

[@Mangomesh]

It would be nice if we could see a darker Cid, I could see him as the life of the party.

[@metastase895]

Kingdom Hearts was a mistake. Enix should split from Square before they are driven to bankruptcy when they pull off their next Spirits Within.

[@ffviifakeremake9997]

I'd like to see Hironobu Sakaguchi return to Square Enix , but I don't know if he can save Square again for a second time?

[@lukedodson3441]

He's done son

[@N.i.E.M.O]

I enjoyed the first Kingdom Hearts for what it was, but the it all went downhill after that. Overly confusing, pretentious, and utterly cringe writing and original characters, masquerading as 'depth' (I presume). The initial charm and craziness of seeing Disney and JRPG characters in a crossover is long dead - especially as the Disney inclusions have gotten progressively more of an afterthought, serving as little more than padding so we can get to the 'important' stuff (aka: cringe Organization XIII, Sora and his fifteen clones, etc etc). Then again, it's not like Disney would even let the developers do anything with their precious IPs other than rehash the existing plots from their respective films with little to no changes. I'm pretty sure Disney only ever approved this concept in the first place because they see it as nothing more than an extended advertisement for themselves.

[@user-pq8zg2vv8q]

Sacaguchi return would be epic. It would an amazing recovery for squaresoft! on scale with the massive failure the spirits within was

[@swordmeisterguy6752]

This is what happens when you give Tetsuya Nomura complete control of the story.

[@alexkogan9755]

I’m still not convinced that the “multiverse” trope added anything to FF7R in the least. And after how many games they’ve used and abused that plot device, this was the last entry that ever needed it added in. We got tired of this plot point in every DC event comic, we don’t need Final Fantasy to keep unnecessarily repeating it either, especially not in a damn “remake” for a game that never had it or needed it in the first place.

[@Marcustheseer]

I like the multiverse aspect when done right,it shows interesting different versions of the same charc even different outcomes of eventueel,i dont like it as plot device to just redcon things thats not how it works,you dont create a New future you create a New time line next to the original one

[@themorbidkid187]

@@Marcustheseer To be fair, regardless of how events have transpired so far, everything is still lined up like the OG. Cloud is a mental mess, Biggs/Wedge/Jessie are all still dead, Aerith is dead ( ppl are lying to themselves if they believe otherwise ) Tifa is still very concerned with cloud's mental state, Sephiroth still wants to destroy everything. Ppl might not like how the story is being told, but all the main story beats and plot overall is still very much the same, with the exception of Zack being around which in all honesty has not hurt anything plot wise currently. Just need Pt 3 to see if they completely change things, but as it stands there is no new future yet.

[@Marcustheseer]

@@themorbidkid187 ya kind ya the story is stil largely the same but these days some people like to complain allot

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

Michael Moorcock and Stephen King are the only ones that have ever done the multiverse thing well imo. I thought it was kinda interesting in Attack on Titan too.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

​@@nightmarishcompositions4536Attack on Titan didn't had a multiverse. It didn't even really had time travel, they weren't physically back in time atleast. Eren was able to send select memories of the future back in time and only to people who controlled the same titan he used.

[@CrescentPhoenix.]

Did you say multiverses and timelines? When did Disney marvel take over?

[@MugenLord]

Lmao!

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

This has always been Nomura's style sadly lol

[@LordMalice6d9]

@@Molotov_Milkshake I am really getting to point where I am developing and deep distaste and vitriol for Multiverse storylines. Branching timelines and multiple worlds stories almost always are an excuse for lazy and desperate writers. I didn't even like "Spiderman: No Way Home" because of it, even though fanboys and fangirls seemed to love that movie.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@LordMalice6d9 Totally agreed. It's extremely lazy writing for stupid people.

[@gregmcclung7497]

Square works with Disney. Yup

[@Jockpants]

Totally agree with you on Sephiroth, he went from god tier villain to just a pain in the ass.

[@MugenLord]

The messed my boy up.

[@923crono]

I bet we will end up fighting a dozen different sephiroths in part 3. Nomura loves his shitty kingdom hearts villain tropes

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Organization XephIroth. You fight thirteen (XIII) Sephiroths while teaming up with seven different versions of Cloud

[@MugenLord]

@@N.i.E.M.O lol

[@BGrimmart]

​@N.i.E.M.O It'll be Zack, Cloud, and Angeal vs a bunch of Sephiroths

[@timonikkinen9578]

The most annoying thing to me is that I cannot recommend this story to people who haven't played the original ff7 like my kids. This game is too meta and ruins key moments for new people. This games is ONLY for hc fans.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

And yet it seems intent on alienating hardcore fans. Much like the rest of the compilation.

[@Great.Gospel]

I can't think of a way to wrap up the story in a truly satisfying way. If they make it so that there is only one prime timeline and the lifestream is no longer fractured into all these other realities, people will just be pissed that they introduced a completely useless plot device. If other timelines do continue to exist, then all the events we've been through are cheapened since there will just be different versions of our characters in other realities and it basically gives everyone their own fan fiction universe, and the worst part is that this would allow for them to milk DLC indefinitely.

[@MugenLord]

Yeah it's a cop out to be please everyone.

[@hemlarclaevus4231]

Honestly... The biggest mistake is the whole multiverse aspect of it.

[@100Servings]

Damn dude. This was your Mount Everest. What a challenge!!! Well done!!! So here's my thought: in Doctor Who, even though they can travel through time and space, the Doctor makes clear that there's some events in history that are hard coded to every reality. For example, no matter what anyone does, Pompeii will be destroyed and everyone will die. No matter what anyone does, it can't be changed, and attempting to do so will either fail at best, or undo reality at worst. Aerith has to die and join the lifestream. The world can't be saved otherwise. Cloud can try to undo it, but the results will always be the same. I don't like this, but the writers have decided that some things just can't be undone. Is this whole experiment just a fever dream of a bad writer? Probably. Is it just another way to cash in on nostalgia for better games in a better age? You betcha. Is this better than getting Forspoken 2? Getting several STDs at once would be better than that. Will it withstand the test of time and be looked back on favorably? Absolutely not. The best thing to come out of this series is your video. You can barely contain your enthusiasm, and it's exciting just to hear you talk about it. Excellent work, ML. It's refreshing just to hear a gamer talk about how much they like games for a change. This is turning into a great year for you, and I hope to see your continued success!!!

[@MugenLord]

Bro, I love your comments because I always learn something from you. That Doctor's explanation really explains all of this perfectly. This game will be known for its controversy rather than it's legacy that they were hoping to strive for.

[@Strider_Jaco]

I really hate multiverse crap.

[@MrOrcshaman]

So in this remake their playing with the concept of multiple timelines, three of them, one with the main crew with cloud, one where Aerith is alive after city of the ancients, and one where Zack is alive, and at moments the alternate timelines converge together. None of this was in the origin, and this kind of storytelling is troubling. Aeriths death was so impactful in the original, because she simply was dead, but her death allowed her to guide the lifestream to help destroy meteor in the end, making her sacrifice significant. In this, by having her alive post her death in some capacity, it cheapens the magnitude of her death, because even if the others can't see her alterate reality self walking around, we can, and so we don't feel the same things that tifa, red, yuffie and the others feel. Time travel and alternative timeline stories just make a mess.

[@obsessive_hermit]

Indeed. A multiverse means that the characters are no longer unique, and so it becomes more difficult to care about them and/or feel grief when they die. It's more akin to someone moving to a different town than having to cope with them actually dying.

[@pyrytuomela]

If u would mind to look deeper into the story u'd see that the game isn't a remake. It is obvious that all we are playing is just a memory of Cloud's perspective. It isn't a traditional remake so it shouldn't even feel like the original which is a completely different game.

[@MrOrcshaman]

@@pyrytuomela that's one perspective

[@brotbrotsen1100]

​@@pyrytuomelaThat's not obvious, it is one of 10 million theories that are floating around and nothing more for the moment.

[@ffviifakeremake9997]

I don't know if you mentioned this: they took away Cids smokes.

[@Joe_334]

Ugh just like in Kingdom Hearts, whatever they stuck in his mouth...

[@AmorFati777X]

They neutered his entire backstory. They gave him a goofy accent and I'm convinced he's got low T compared to the original Cid. What a joke

[@cizzymac]

Cid's entire character was destroyed.

[@SuperWallace78]

They took away his smokes so they wouldn't get a M rating.

[@AmorFati777X]

@@SuperWallace78 God forbid you cuss out women and smoke cigarettes in a game where you have people burning down villages and impaling women with katanas

[@ericmcmanus5179]

Obviously they changed Cid for woke reasons. Why else do you think they so drastically changed his story and character personality? Making him be in love with Aeris' mom was changed because we can't show him being mean to a woman. But they could have done that yet kept him as an asshole. But they didn't do that either. They changed everything about him. It's disgusting.

[@justinmeniru3663]

You must've played something else cuz it's pretty obvious cid is still an asshole just pretending he's not

[@MrJanixo]

oh god i just finished and i can only say my god my head hurts after hearing what a vliter fuck this story turned out. Was it really that difficult just to remake the story and just add some details

[@MugenLord]

Especially if the results will end the same way, then what was the point in taking the story in this direction?

[@cloudstruck2785]

@@MugenLord Maybe it's to let people know that fate can't be altered, it may be delayed, but it will always end the same way. Aerith even says this in the game that the past can't be altered so focus on the future. Aerith, Zack, Biggs, Jessie and Wedge are all dead and what we are seeing imo are "worlds" and memories created by the lifestream. Sephiroth wants to converge all these lifestream memories so that he can control everything - Infinity itself and basically be a God! What a narcissistic prick Sephiroth has become! The Zack and Biggs stuff is just pure unadulterated fan service. After finishing the game there is an option where you can actually skip all the Zack interlude parts, and interestingly enough, it removes the Aerith dream date scene with Cloud.

[@chriscross4674]

My copy of ff7(original) as well as a (dualshock 1? gray ps1 controller) just arrived in the mail today. Never played the game on the OG playstation. Have been collecting old games as of late and ff7 was the next game in line. Looking forward to playing the game again in the way it was meant to be played. As a drunk adult and on a crt tv with the OG playststion.

[@_Adjei_]

MugenLord's reaction to Maximilian Dood: "Even him... Even he... His facial expression, his body language, he was like "What the fuck is this?!" when he looked at it." LMAO!!!!😂😂

[@MugenLord]

Bro, look at how stiff he was when that scene came up. Just compare to every segment he shows intrigue and excitement, dood went completely blank lol.

[@viruschris3160]

Which scene? The final ones?

[@_Adjei_]

@@MugenLord Yeah. But then he ignored critisizing it on Easy Allies' latest podcast that I watched yesterday. As far as I remember anyway. If he did critisize it, please correct me on that.

[@_Adjei_]

@@viruschris3160 Start at 54:03 for full context.

[@NetBattler]

Bro he look so moody 😂

[@EndThusIAm]

This is another reason why I downloaded a bunch of the incredible texture and model mods for the OG. Including a voice over mod!

[@SILVERONIN]

that 7th heaven mod with the voice acting is PERFECT! Loving the OG again!

[@viruschris3160]

@@SILVERONINThank you for the info. Going to look for that mod now.

[@EndThusIAm]

​@@viruschris3160It's called Echo-S, enjoy! Keep in mind it conflicts with the ESUI mod, and maybe others but don't know.

[@MugenLord]

@@viruschris3160 Yeah, that mod is awesome from what I saw.

[@XxKNIGHT742xX]

This is my assessment. The good: - More Yuffie. - Visually is a masterpiece. - The music. - Tifa's tits. The bad: - How they massacred my boy Cid. - Everything involving Zack - A lot of unnecessary bullshit in the game, a lot it really pretty and the extra care to details is appreciated but that's exactly yhe kind of thit that overblowns the budget of AAA games. - Temple of ancients resolution, it literally made me scream for how much bullshit i was watching, enough to stop playing the little remaining left for a week. - Odin - The fucking final boss, holy shit you were not kidding when you told me on X I need to repeat the whole fucking thing.

[@MugenLord]

I told ya that last boss gauntlet was no joke lol.

[@xcenic]

everytime a zack scene start is skip the scene and dint bother, what the purpose to dig into a dead dude. Is like setting the road for 3 or 4 more DLC?

[@MasterOssy]

I’ve read comments. Saying that re-showing the same scenes, but with updated graphics won’t be the same and it needs to change. My mind was…….the F!! I was mind blown by those statements and ppl in the west from the streamers and content creators loved it. Now, this game is pretty much a month old and it’s a total flop and the same ppl confused onto why it failed so goddamn hard in Japan. The cope was so deep that ppl aren’t talking about it anymore. Not even SE themselves announced how much units sold. The game is already forgotten. No talk of how this game is on par with OG FF7. If I was a CEO of Square Enix, I would be livid, yet terrified because this company cannot afford any more Ls, more flops. This western pandering, fanfic has to go.

[@random_an0n]

this game was not western pandering,its literally ff7 it floped in japan cause they aint having kids and the average japanese is late 30s and heavily over worked lmao its not the 90s anymore japan is a dying nation,too many old not enough young...and the young are too over worked to spend 101 hours on a game

[@MasterOssy]

@@random_an0n not only with less ppl, but floundering economy so it’s not a good idea to bloat the series with unnecessary slop. Not going to stop those who like the game. I still look at it as the future for Square Enix and a pivot must be made or will get bought and liquidate and firings will happen.

[@random_an0n]

@@MasterOssy no changes need to be made,game was based.

[@MasterOssy]

@@random_an0n whatever you say.....

[@random_an0n]

@@MasterOssy if you didnt play it you dont get an opinion,cause your opinion is just the salty opinion of someone you didnt play it and is bootyblasted for x reason.

[@SILVERONIN]

Best remake of the OG is the 7th Heaven mod for the original, it refreshed my love for 7 since the remake left a very nasty taste in my mouth!

[@brijor6ff7]

Yeah, the mods are very good these days too. I think I have something like 17 or 18 mods running and the game looks and plays likes it's been remade in the Super Mario RPG style. True to the original but just better.

[@CronoEpsilon]

Much like Remake, this game just seems like it wants to showcase a lot of nostalgic, moments from the original, but under a different context completely. The multiverse and whisper stuff is not for me though. It really wants to make players think it is deeper than it actually is. Surface level nostalgia sold to me like a Kingdom Hearts game just isn't what I was hoping for.

[@themorbidkid187]

Not exactly sure why ppl keep mentioning Kingdom Hearts??? The story is not anywhere near as convoluted as the KH series and all major events thus far from the OG have come to pass in Remake and Rebirth so far, regardless of the order in which those major events transpired, they still all happened. It's rly not that complex to understand.

[@CronoEpsilon]

While the events in Remake/Rebirth are similar to the original, the intent and context are completely different. Personally, I'm not interested in this pretentious multiverse plot when the original had a far greater impact without it. Nor do I think its changes were worth splitting the game into multiple parts. If you're into it, good for you. To me, this is nonsensical fanfiction.

[@themorbidkid187]

@@CronoEpsilon I mean you can always replay the original for that experience, and is the exact reason why the Remake trilogy is not a Remaster of the original. It maintains the same story beats and is mostly pretty faithful to the 1997 game in the events department while making things feel fresh and new, along with much added character depth and world building. That is what makes the difference between a Remake, and a Remaster. Many individuals don't seem to understand or don't want to accept that, and just can't appreciate it for what it is, its own thing.

[@CronoEpsilon]

@@themorbidkid187 Yes, I could always play the original. Though, if I had that mentality for every remake, I simply would not look forward to remakes at all. Also, The game being its own thing doesn't mean it is exempt from criticism either. For what its worth, I don't even think Remake/Rebirth are bad games. They look, play, and sound fine enough. Though, if I have to speak about the Story these games tell (the main reason I'm interested in Final Fantasy to begin with), I would say it is wasted on a game that clearly had a lot of time, budget, talent, and effort put into it. At most, the plot to me is just surface level fanservice intended to create mystery, discussion, and fan theories, contextualized around a plot that I don't care for. It is, again, not what I hoped for and isn't worth buying in multiple parts. But, if you're into that, by all means.

[@holy9781]

​@@themorbidkid187there are literally like 4 universe in the ending,ur right,its not hard for some1 who eats Nomura's story vomit...u

[@amanofmanetheren]

The multiverse trope needs to end. It is the absolute worst and lazy avenue of storytelling, allowing writers to write themselves into inescapable dead ends and then escape them because of the "lack of consequences multiverse". Death, bah.... Sorrow, meh... Why have all that when we can just bait your nostalgia and then flip it with soft landing in spectacle.

[@KrazyKoto]

Unpopular opinion, but I think FFVII Remake was better written than Rebirth. I could replay that title multiple times and still appreciate most of it's story, it was the ending I hated. In Rebirth? It's just so convoluted and messy that it's made me lose hope in the series. Remake made me excited, scared, but hopeful. Rebirth makes me feel disappointed. Don't get me wrong, fantastic graphics, excellent character moments, but it feels like it lost the essence of makes a story great.

[@romzen]

How many Clouds are there in this world beside the one we follow? There is the one who is being dragged to Midgar by Zack. Then there must be at least a third one at the beginning of Rebirth captured by Shinra along with all the other doppelgangers of our party. No, seriously though, I couldn't care less. This story is the product of an autistic 12-year old's mind. Infantile, convoluted and an absolute waste to think about.

[@franciscor390]

I really lament that they turned Cid into a turbo simp, not even close to being the same character.

[@MugenLord]

Yes, perfect word to explain him. I was to excited describe him in my video and lost the word to describe him. Yeah, they made him a simp and not only that when he called Aerith Missy, she replies back "It's Aerith". She got offended by the word missy, that's not Aerith at all.

[@NetBattler]

I knew there was something wrong with him because the way he acts doesn't suit his character design..and this is coming from someone who doesn't play original.

[@Joe_334]

I feel like they will botch that scene when they parachute into Midgar once they return there....

[@AmorFati777X]

Yeah not even close to the original Cid, who was the best Cid in franchise history

[@YouTubeCensors]

​@@AmorFati777X Hadn't ever thought about that but yes, he was the best Cid ever and even though I think FF6 had the most emotional Cid Scene when he dies at least but yeah FF7 Cid is best Cid.

[@dandare9055]

They made an effing Schrödinger Aerith? Wow.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

They really fucked up Dyne's story by having the Shinra soldiers kill him. Takes away all the impact of him killing himself in despair.

[@lukedodson3441]

He said he couldn't do it which actually makes it more upsetting. He wants to kill himself but can't do it. He pushes Barret out of the way as a final act and gets 'suicided by cop'. Much better than just jumping off a cliff almost out of nowhere.

[@daeith1233]

​@@lukedodson3441it wasn't out of nowhere, he already looked out of himself, as he says he basically lost his humanity, consciousness so he kills himself. The goofy sacrifice with him taking many bullets before dying was worse

[@Asher8328]

I liked Remake, but after the major story changes hinted at I decided not to buy Rebirth unless 100% of the story was spoiled first. Very glad I made that call, and will not be playing this game or the next.

[@obsessive_hermit]

Same, brother. I'll stick the OG with mods.

[@knavenformed9436]

There were so many people interested in FF7 never played it It would've been great to make something in modern times that you could walk off as "I played FF7" But this is so meta that the O.G is almost companion material to it

[@s3studios597]

Gonna be honest. All this sounds dumb as fuck. I said it before, but I'm just gonna not acknowledge any of the FF7 sequels or spinoffs, especially Remake. Even beyond the pants on head retarded story changes, the model can get fucked. They absolutely could've made this into one game, but chose to split it because money and because "Muh billion dolla open world". The fact that this is gonna end up spanning 3 whole console generations in absolutely insane. That being said, I do look forward to playing FF1-12 + some of the spinoffs. Why only 1-12? 13 was my first FF game, and I dropped it after 2 hours. 14 Looks interesting, but it's an MMO, so fuck that. I followed the absolute shitshow of 15, and I'm not going anywhere near that. Then there's 16, which just looks bland as hell to me. On an unrelated note, the fact that both Final Fantasy (a turn based JRPG) and Sonic (a 2d mascot platformer) have both ended up as open world character action games is insane and sad in that "evolution" in gamig basically just means homogenization.

[@link5629]

That's kind of my philosophy. There's only one FFVII Story and it occurred in 1997. Full stop. Everything else is DeviantArt fanfiction by a 53 year old J pop wannabe who dresses like he's 14.

[@WildDogGamerBoy]

As someone who beat 16, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's one of the better modern FF games. Unlike 13 and 15, which both still haunt me.

[@vonclaren1]

They made Nanaki sound like fckn Tidus . . . It's unbearable

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

You do realize that it’s Nojima that writes the story for Final Fantasy Remake trilogy,(including the OG FF7 & the compilation), and NOT Tetsuya Nomura, right? Tetsuya Nomura is only a creative director, (which handles character designs, artwork, concept art, and promotional art), he is not a writer. I don’t get why people can’t seem to grasp this fact.

[@TheManaTree777]

I know right? The Nomura hate is so stupid. This guy is so clueless.

[@shirayukix2155]

Writer, producer, and director work hand in hand. They're all responsible for this shit.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

The director also has input and oversight on the writing. They DIRECT the overall vision and production.

[@DrStabkill]

Original is one of my fav games of all time. I played half of ff7 remake and for all the things it did well the flaws severely overshadowed it. How any fans of the original would like this mystifies me. However It makes sense that a younger generation who has only heard of but didn’t actually play through the original might like this. It’s a shame cause square had a real opportunity here and it won’t come around again. It’s kind of like how the original resident evil 1 is probably the best remake of all time because they updated the graphics, voice acting etc but they didn’t change the fundamental nature of the game. That is one ff7 needed. Maybe just a graphical overhaul and some new side quests and everybody would have been happy. What a shame

[@Re-PhantomZero]

I'm 43 and i played the original decades ago, if this was an exact copy of the original it would be lame and boring. Did square take away your original game? The original will always be there for anyone to play, there is no need to make a copy with better graphics, they made a good decision by making a sequel to the original, even if it is a sequel/remake it's way better than just a reskin of the first. The story of this one depends on the original, the original already took place, now we have to wait and see if the final part will make it all good or not. For your question on how can a person who played the original like this? It's because i know it is a sequel, and i understand that the original will always be there, this game is not taking anything away from me, that's why I'm excited and curious to see where this leads.

[@s3studios597]

I only just played through OG FF7 last year and I still thought the changes in Remake were stupid as an outsider looking in.

[@s3studios597]

@@Re-PhantomZero This arguement is dumb and completely falls apartwhen you actually remember that other remakes exist that manage to not be 1 to 1 copies of the original, while also not completely changing the thing into something completely different. The pokemon remakes, Resident Evil remake, basically every JRPG definitive edition ever, so on and so on.

[@vincentgraymore]

@@Re-PhantomZero This comment, and every like it, also fails to understand that the major franchises that are in flames right now are in flames because the "sequel, prequel, extended material, etc" affect the view of the OG. This remake is way more shit as a sequel than a stand-alone version, since that means that there was always a multiverse bubbling in the lore of FF VII, but fate was not killed in the OG so it never started along with all other stupid new things. Every canonically linked media always retroactively inserts stuff into the OG and changes stuff, especially stakes (the reunion in the OG was about an alien becoming whole again, but now it is a multiverse threat). So it is really a total shit argument that shouldn't even see the light of day. The OG is still there, tarnished by additional bullshit, just like how many consider the compilation damaging the OG.

[@DrStabkill]

@@vincentgraymore this! People don’t seem to understand how this stuff can tarnish and re-contextualize the original media in a negative way basically destroying what was good about the original. Let alone the fact that cloud discovering he was the one who killed sephiroth is arguably the most important revelation in the entire game proves they have little real understanding of the source material.

[@AegisKHAOS]

An hour and twenty minutes well spent. Appreciate the thoroughness.

[@MugenLord]

Wow I really appreciate the feedback :)

[@YoshiTheOreo]

When you walk away You don't hear me say Pleeeeease, oh baaaaby, just go Simple and Clean was the way that it should have been released It's allll a meme

[@shirayukix2155]

Given his personality in the original and the obnoxious obsession of demonizing smoking in games, which they don't do with drinking, I don't doubt they censored his character; they used shitty writing to do so.

[@joshmcgootermier2301]

Nailed it on Barrett. His back story was one of the greatest reveals in the game and completely made his character super complex.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

Too all those Remake Fans who ask how we wanted a remake to look like: Watch no further to the Resident evil 1 remake. Itts just perfect. Same Story, same gameplay, it obly adds, it doesnt take away and it doesnt change the story,. And even the other RE remakes are not bad, Even though they change a lot of the gameplay but at least they keep the story.

[@JulienMoutin]

Not RE 3 remake. And people want a FF7 remake in third person camera. So stop saying bullshit.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

@@JulienMoutin even the RE3 remake is a million Times more faithfull to its original then ff7 remake and rebirth It did boulder puncher Chris from the future punch Nemesis into an vulcano and then tales Jill into the future to fight a fate god?

[@JulienMoutin]

​@@RealEvilLordExdeath You are on Drugs ? Wtf are talking about ? No, Re 3 remake is not faithfull at all.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

@@JulienMoutin morw than this ff7 trash

[@KazamaXIII]

A mess indeed lmao. I'm glad you pointed out the whole Zack shit with him creating more universes (Zack plotholes) cause the entire thing with him towards the end was a complete mess fr. The whole Zack thing really becomes funny once you realize that they give you the option to skip his story segments after beating the game. Like they KNEW that shit was filler. 🤣 Another thing is, the whole thing with Cloud saving Aerith but not quite, I mainly looked at it as: "it was all in Cloud's head" rather than two separate universes cause of how it flashed from successful to failure (+ for shock value) and how Aerith basically only shows up "alive" for him specifically. Like she's still there in a sense communicating with him (like in AC) and helping him fight Sephiroth in that weird pocket dimension (idk what that was dude lol) but that sword still came down and killed her despite the lack of blood (i also thought that was cause of censorship🤷🏽‍♂️). I apologize for the paragraph. I just have alot to say about how Rebirth played out. I believe the main goal with it is to mindfuck people whether it's newcomers or fans of the OG to keep us talking about it until they finish it. (Dosen't really excuse the piss poor Zack shit. Just fuck that character and his impact on VII 💀) Loved the video though. 🔥🔥🔥

[@100Servings]

Get it all out of your system! This is the place for it! Your complaints are completely legitimate!!!

[@MugenLord]

I didn't know you can skip Zack's part after you beat the game lol. I'm planning a hard mode playthrough on stream this week, but I guess I won't be skipping it for those who are curious about it XD

[@KazamaXIII]

@@100Servings Appreciate it. Rebirth ain't a perfect title, no game is. But despite my issues with Rebirth's story (while minor pet peeves), I still loved the shit out of it. Like, my 1st impressions on Rebirth are a lot more optimistic this time around in comparison to Remake which left me highly disappointed and concerned for the future of 7R cause of how things played out. But I think the way they handled it this time around was a lot better cause they pretty stayed on track with the OG story (minus the Zack shit). It's weird too cause personally, I really don't have too many problems with Rebirth's plot outside of Zack cause his inclusion really just makes it more convoluted than it needed to be plus ALL of his stuff is literally just "fanservice"/filler that doesn't really add anything to the overall narrative to VII.

[@KazamaXIII]

@@MugenLord It's only a NG+ option from what I noticed but the fact that it's there in general is REALLY telling if you ask me. Lmao

[@Duckywallpaper]

I really think the point of Zack's inclusion is to explore the lifestream more. I think that is what we were shown in Rebirth, not alternate timelines.

[@chrisparkhurst5158]

I'm not a Remake/Rebirth hater because a lot of these games are decent. But it has been a very disrespectful series. It's not only disrespectful to OG fans, but also disrespectful to new players. The developers wanted OG fans to know this world isn't the one you know, but for new players you can't really understand the story fully unless you know the OG FF7 game. These games feel more like it's stolen IP from OG FF7 to tap into the fanbase to reduce the risk of making a new Square Enix IP

[@shirayukix2155]

This game is a generic Ubisoft title grafted with FF7 as its skin. God, I hope Squeenix is replaced with developers and leaders who actually understand and respect the FF franchise (or just gaming and gamers, in general). Like Soyny, their push for a "modern audience" is the reason why FF is dogshit, along with how badly they need to tard-wrangle their top dogs (Nomura, Nojima, Yoriyama, Kitase) yet don't. Give me big tittied Tifa in her original outfit and sailor-mouthed, smoking Cid! At this point I hope they go bankrupt cuz Squeenix has given me zero fucks to care, given their record of separating integral story elements into other media projects to increase monetization.

[@ffviifakeremake9997]

Perhaps we need Hironobu Sakaguchi back, the father of Final Fantasy could pull this around?

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

It's even worse, because at least some of the Ubisoft side content can be engaging. The side content in FF7 remake and rebirth is just tedious garbage.

[@thezeppo1138]

Woooord! Been looking forward to this. 🤘

[@pauldavis7318]

I implore anyone that hates this direction they've taken to just simply not buy Rebirth and the third installment. I really hope they don't screw up FF IX, but I'm not going to get it regardless, because I think they'll inevitably mess IX up and also in protest of how they've completely ruined VII for future generations and younger people now because it's this terrible Remake trilogy where they'll get their FF VII story. Squenix flat out lied to everybody. I hope they go bankrupt and just go away forever

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Does Rebirth actually remember Tifa's Dad's name later on? I notice in the flashback scenes he is just called 'Tifa's Dad' rofl, like they forgot he was called Brian.

[@_Adjei_]

Finally!! *Preparing some popcorn & energy drink.*

[@noelcastillo3829]

This was funny, the no blood part, calling bizarro sephiroth safer sephiroth, then safer sephiroth the final sephiroth with one wing, the sprinkling of advent children without context, just really funny stuff. You should review the end of Final Fantasy 8, it would be very entertaining.

[@MugenLord]

After playing this games story, I don't even believe the development team know exactly what it is that they want to accomplish. It feels like they are trying to satisfy both sides of the fandom and ends up becoming a mess of a plot. One more game left to go, let's see if they will stick the landing with this story because if it doesn't this will blow up in their face. Note: I will be live streaming tonight to have a discussion about the game and FF7 in general around 6pm EST.

[@kyero8724]

You the same type of person that thinks KH is too convoluted? LOL

[@franciscor390]

"Creative business division 1" aka devs for this game cannot tell a coherent story even if their life depended on it.

[@franciscor390]

​@@kyero8724and you're saying it's not?

[@mariosonic987pac-hero4]

At this point, I have to ask: Was remaking FF7 even worth it at all? Because with all the story changes they've done, I'm starting to think it's not worth it at all. It doesn't matter if the gameplay is good, it doesn't matter if the characters are good, it doesn't matter if it's a reimagining or sequel of FF7, what frustrates me is that I feel that FF7 Remake and Rebirth are disrespecting the original severely. And the worst part is, it's NOT a terrible game. I know it has good things to like about but with a story that strays away from the original is what holds it back from being a masterpiece or even GotY. In the end, the FF7 remake games fail at being a remake that couldn't recapture the magic of what the original has done. It's a shame because I would've loved to see FF7 reach new heights with its remake but now, I have little hope that the 3rd FF7 remake game will do any better.

[@colinnixon7739]

You are delusional. Touch grass 😂

[@obsessive_hermit]

It's like they got A-list game designers to make almost every aspect of the games, and yet left the story to 11-year old MARVEL fans with crayons.

[@chrisstewart9828]

I love your passion for the world and lore of FF7. We are in disagreement over Remake anf Rebirth, but that's no biggie. Keep that passion, buddy!

[@MugenLord]

Thanks, nothing wrong with having different opinions on things we like :)

[@chrisstewart9828]

@@MugenLord absolutely! Been in love with this series since the original on the NES, still remember the hype around 7's launch, that shit was special, man.

[@Slumville]

A great video, that being said this whole story is just exhausting, and I'll be glad once that last part of the remake comes out and it can finally end.

[@nosouponhead]

Please don't spend more money on this trash.

[@FlyinJMan]

Correction; Sapphire, Diamond, and Ultimate are the three main WEAPONS in the original. Ruby and Emerald were optional superbosses. Sapphire gets shot by Sister Ray in a cutscene, Diamond also gets blasted after a battle, and Ultimate is fought in several story centric places.

[@MugenLord]

Yea, that was a mistake on my part.

[@reinsama2.09]

Final Fantasy 3 and 4 on the DS are better remakes than the entirety of FF7R trilogy

[@2elusivereviews]

I completed the game in both normal and hard mode...and I can sum up my thoughts in one statement. They are doing way too much. And I mean this in both a good way (Mechanically) and DEFINATELY a bad way. (Story, characters and the multiverse crap.)

[@Dayv018]

While I can't say I've seen the real impact/point of multiverse stuff yet, I've loved the overall additions and direction of the story so far. Leaning even further into Cloud's broken mind is something that will pay off huge in part 3, and it was always the main story point of the OG.

[@JwalkZer0]

I’m working right now, just saw this vid, and can’t watch it yet, but let me thumb this vid up rite quick cause I HEAVILY agree with the title. I was right to be cautiously optimistic about future titles after Remake’s garbage ending 4 years ago, Rebirth’s ending didn’t leave as bad a taste in my mouth due to my low expectations beforehand.

[@ty_teynium]

While I understand the importance of the game expansion or being told in multiple parts, FFVII games size is 100 gigs. For one quarter of the games story. That's not a game. Its a demo with a sixty dollar price tag. Also, I can't help but think of it this way: Red Dead Redemption 2 has an install disc. The space required is 100 gigs. I havent played it, but Im willing to guess The game is longer to finish than FFVII remake, and has a larger world than FFVII remake. The Witcher 3, which I have played has half the size of FFVII Remake, and probably has a bigger map than rebirth. Lastly, Dark Souls 3 also probably has a bigger world than FFVII, and is merely just at least sixty gigs. All of these games with the exception of one, came in one complete whole product. Also, the first remake is for PS4, then PS5, now the second part comes out for the PS5 ... and not for the PS4? My main point is this: If this product has to be split into multiple parts, there has to be more pacing and theres none of that in the remakes. There's no pace because that would mean taking your time, and Remake doesn't wanna take it's time with the story or giving answers. Everything has to come at you at breakneck speed, so that you somehow] Don't notice the details. If the story slows down for one second you spot the details, but if you say anything about those details that doesn't sound positive about it, you're the problem. For just saying anything. For any kind of criticism whatsoever.

[@viruschris3160]

I didn’t get the game but kept my eyes and ears on this game. Just like I expected. The gameplay does look fun and I don’t mind it even though I would’ve loved a return to Turn-Based. When people wanted a Remake we wanted the original game and it’s story with new graphics, fix some old issues, and enchant and expand on character and lore. We didn’t want a Reboot. I hate how Remake is being misused nowadays. I never wanted an Open World for FF7 especially with how there’s too much stuff. Even the Chocobo bits look bad except for swimming. They even changed characters like Cid! I’m happy Yuffie and Vincent get expanded on, but sheesh the story is awkward. The whole timeline thing is ridiculous. You can blame Kitase and Nojima for that (Nomura has nothing to do with FF7R’s story) especially when Kitase is ashamed for the OG story for whatever reasons. Splitting the game into three parts. Why not have a single game with two discs or compressed everything in one disc? People say they didn’t have the technology to remake 7. Technology for what? Adding the Whispers who shouldn’t exist? I wanted a Remake to give a fresh coat of paint and re-live the old game in a new way for even newer generation to experience what we experienced. I knew they screw up the story, but man they dropped the ball. I was so confused on how they handle Aerith’s fate. I was shocked in the OG… Remake thought it was stupid. Even Dyne’s backstory got nutted. Him taking a nosedive to show how far gone he was and didn’t want his daughter to see him like this and gave Barrett his blessing. Remake took a dunk on it. Sorry for the rant. I just don’t like how Remakes are being handled nowadays compared to RE1 when that’s still the best take on Remakes in gaming history.

[@ffviifakeremake9997]

If they had returned to Turn Based, then I would have bought it. I'm replaying FFX and loving it.

[@viruschris3160]

@@ffviifakeremake9997 Yup. Turn-Based can be really fun! I like to see them expand on Turn-Based with interesting mechanics.

[@cizzymac]

Final Fantasy 7 is about accepting loss. Rebirth is about not accepting any sort of loss, and pissing on what made the OG so great. Miserable. Just miserable.

[@samsemsam16]

Can you tell me how they’re not? Cloud is clearly going through some huge delusions and a mental break, and that’s an interesting take on loss itself. Zack stuff we just don’t know how it’s gonna play out, so not judging yet. Not here for an argument, just curious as in the OG all the plot points get tackled in the later half, which is mainly gonna be covered in the next game

[@cizzymac]

@@samsemsam16 Multiverses completely remove any stakes in the story.

[@mikerude5073]

The big dealbreaker for me isn't just the story, it's that the post-story content abuses the players time. Brutal challenges are one thing, BUT when the player needs to re-do a bunch of fights they have beaten before, several times, just for another attempt to practice where they failed, it becomes a tedious chore. Think of it like this. There is a half hour cutscene you need to watch prior to fighting an extra hard boss, capable of one shotting you. If you fail an attempt, then you must sit through that half hour cutscene again. You have to pay perfect attention to that cutscene or it to will restart. - That was my dealbreaker in FF7 Remake with the post story content, and after beating them I was pissed at all the time wasted. Rebirth tripples down on the boss rush challenges, and again, forces the player to re-do stuff they already know they can beat, but in an extreme time wasted way. The OGFF7 had some tough boss rush stuff at the Gold Saucer, but it was nowhere near as much of a chore. I'd rather be washing dishes. At least then I could listen to a podcast and not need to pay perfect attention to the repetitive chore.

[@daveakadodge]

The devs said it will link not lead into AC which could mean anything and would not dwell on it too much. As far as the multiverse thing it might not be as it seems. The lifestream is made of the memories of those who lived and died, it could be that the planet after the events of the first game is having a 'Cloud' moment and creating false memories due to jenova's spiritual form now having free roam in the lifestream. This in turn creating a lot of negative memories causing the lifestream to corrupt so that Jenova/Sephiroth can kind of feed of it. Zack is a kinda like Tidus at the start of FFX. FF7 OG is what the planet wants to happen all humans dead and Jenova/Sephiroth trapped in it's prison that why they refer to it as bad in the first game it still did happen and is not a different timeline. As for Sephiroth he still wants the same thing to travel the cosmos and corrupt and absorb everything. But who knows for sure we won't know for sure till the last game.

[@ClintDecker]

I personally was hoping for them to hold off on the weapons until the crater and wasn’t a fan of the fish look to them. Really hoping they do homage to ruby, emerald, diamond, and omega in the final game. Also I love the OG cid from ff7 and hope they up his spunk in the next game.

[@gregmcclung7497]

What were they thinking? To pander to dumbass's instead of just simply remaking one of if not the most beloved game of all time. Last Square Enix game I'll ever play.

[@MasterOssy]

An hour of a review? Gotta give you a like.

[@MugenLord]

Thanks lol.

[@lukemurphy2807]

Aside from the multiverse stuff, the section of story that ff7 rebirth covers amounts to nothing more then a wild goose chase for one silver-haired guy. I don't dispute that the goose chase sets up big pay offs later, but this doesn't change the fact that this part slumps to climax in the next part of the story. Honestly ask yourself: What do the heroes actually accomplish here? Any story to be found in this game is built on the back of character development [and in some cases poor character development]. The game needed a narrative direction it clearly didn't get.

[@yopitalla]

well people wanted to save aerith since 1997. It did but in a very confusing manner lol. This is why I always suggest people to go the aerith date because otherwise its gonna feel like they skipped an important cutscene that would had made the ending more relevant. the music is 10/10 mini games are so so, some fun some others are a tedius chore I enjoyed the chocobos a lot some scenes where great "like the loveless and aerith singing her love letter to cloud" Final boss is too long sometimes the whispers "feelers" wouldnt let you appreciate the scene or enviorment.

[@scottpilgrim2]

Honestly i expected an alternate story. The beginning of part 1 with Aerith made me think so. She is the last surviving ancient after all.

[@Yuri-fs3es]

Thanks for the good analysis of the game. I did not like overall plot of rebirth at all. And i can feel that writer is the same as in KH1, kh2 and ff7 compilation - Sephiroth is an annoying, uninteresting character. Also it feels that he wants to Kiss Cloud or smthg - story is very slow - character development is missing for some characters, because plot is splitted and we should expect characters growth later - there were some strange logic of the characters. And sometimes you feel that characters even dumb. - Zack should be important only as a character for Cloud character arc in the memory section. Other things with him are not interesting at all and fan fiction for me - multiverses are not interesting - due to rating and overall style, the game missed horror/dirty style of the original. No massacare, blood, scary seph/jenova alien stuff, Cid is very polite man, Dyne suicide. - Dyne arc was done good, but ending suffers a lot due to meaning and what character says to Barrett at the end I am not expecting anything from the third game. Same as i was not expecting anything from Rebirth after Remake

[@hollyshock8400]

Thank to that T rating and all the censorship, we will never get to see the Reactor scene in its full weight and brutality. Sephiroth should be steeped in the blood of innocent villagers, his guts spilling out from the gaping wound in his side, a rabid monster.. and Cloud, this country kid who thought he was nothing, defeats THAT.

[@haganeragm]

Thanks for the video; it was great. I sympathize with you since you have to get through all this. I actually did not think it was possible to drop the ball so hard on a classic, and now I'm happy for videos like this since it helps to avoid this type of horrible fan fiction. Now I'm afraid if they decide to do a "remake" of Chrono Trigger, if they will do the same thing, I hope another team makes it. The Star Ocean remake was good. Thanks again. Continue with the good work

[@MugenLord]

No prob, I love FF7 in general, so I was going to play this game no matter what, just as I did Crisis Core, which I hated. This video is for those who are on the wall when it comes to determining if they want to give the game a shot and for the fans of the original who won't play this game but still wants to know how bad they fucked the story up. We have one more game to go, and finally, I can put all of this together to make sense of it all.

[@Thiago_Alves_Souza]

They ruined Cid. They ruined a very heart felt moment with Barret and Dyne by having us fight Palmer in a goofy scene. Sephiroth is just some annoying villain spouting convoluted bs at eveey 5 minutes in the game. They made Cloud into a schizo instead of someone who is under Jenova/Sephiroth's control. They turned Vincent into some Shinra grunt when he would never stay working for shinra after what they did to him lol. Wtf. Yuffie is annoying af and always running away for no reason. Talks about materia all the freaking time! Wtf! Give her an arc, wheres Wutai?? Also, whats their obsession with musicals and goofy scenes? It takes away from the seriousness and creates a big disconnect. You liked Nibel? Heck no! That was supposed to be a Shinra conspiracy and cover up and they turned it into some care for jenova dudes? Who are those families and children then? Aerith's mom was shot and was dying but they just daid oh she was frail hahaha. Shes an ancient, but she's frail? And Cid knows her now?? And he didn't notice the woman was dying but was thirsting after her??? Sephiroth is the last boss of eveu installment now and that dude is not a threat like in the original. I don't feel any stakes that are high here. He's just some goofy villain now and we know we beating him eveey turn.

[@zacmatney7938]

Final Fantasy VII remake is a good game but to me that’s only the combat system and the open world aspect in final fantasy VII rebirth and the characters those are the only things that make this remake trilogy good to me but the plot like most people have said man the story of this remake trilogy is just a fanfic of final fantasy VII and that’s what hurts it immensely:/ I’m still reallly upset and disappointed by Aerith’s death scene in rebirth they ruined that scene entirely idk what they’re gonna do with the third and final game but in terms of the story of the third and final game I’m not looking forward to it:/

[@ffviifakeremake9997]

If we ever got a remake of FF8, the time travel stuff would fit really well. I'm glad I never bought this game, I would never ever want to replay FF7 Rebirth.

[@blumiu2426]

They've given mixed signals on this the entire time. It's faithful, it will be different. Double-speak. They pulled back on making massive changes in some regard, but still have, yet seem to now be using an alternate timeline to make the major changes and use another to not. And Remake had a lot of issues that plot and game-wise that had issues. Gameplay is lacking still if you compare it to other action-RPGs on the market, even FFXVI one-ups it, yet both do make use of the damage sponge approach to drag out any and all fights. What they've done with the story is make it into amateur hour or a PG version down to dialogue, mature or deep scenes that were "alleviated" for censors, like Dyne and Barret's arc. They skip over complex moments (one would think) like Cloud attacking Tifa, but she never brings it up nor arc of lost trust develop from it. If story falls flat in a JRPG, not even gameplay can save it, not if it's not the best on the market. I figured Japan would bail by this entry, but I don't think Square-Enix has said the sales in the West are enough for them to at least say it was worth pivoting from their home country to please the West. My negative view of the game has facts behind it and where some can't articulate and just may rage, I think anyone that didn't like that it wasn't going to be a faithful reletting with additions, is still justified now that the second part of a trilogy has faltered. CBU1 did not have it together to do this and the negative sentiment approach from the start pretty much doomed it. I'll always say that they needed Sakaguchi to be their glue and have never hit one high since his departure like they did year on year when he was there. I've no idea what they will do when this is over as I can't see them doing another remake when the sales have slid back with every IP release. This is not to say FFVII was a well-crafted story above all. Most feel this way because it was their first JRPG, but it is very basic in terms of "save the world plot". The characters made it what it was in the writing was well above what JRPGs were doing at the time. Ironically, the remake series reverses that to be amateur and lacking in them feeling believable because they talk so freaking strange, even worse than in shounen anime. Square kept improving on narrative as they continued up to FFXII before the company changes really hit and we get what what we have today.

[@ericmcmanus5179]

Every character in this game has this strange up beat, go get em, positive attitude. It's not at all hiw these characters were in the game. Barret had a little of that in certain scenes. And aeris had that. But everyone else was much more serious. They did Cid real bad in Rebirth.

[@AshikSorel1]

I can't tell you how many people tell me that I am wrong for disliking the story. The common retort I get is "well Square today can make the story how it is today the way they wanted to now as opposed to back then" and I am like.......YEAH its a completely different team doing this game! That doesn't mean it was needed. The original game had a different team behind it for the story and it was more than acceptable. It remained a memorable classic for a reason and why this current iteration will be forgotten garbage! Nomura needs to be called out for the hack he is.

[@kurisu3000]

Just because you have a hard time understanding the premise of his works doesn't make him a hack.

[@vladimirfruitin3118]

@@kurisu3000 yeah, but he is a hack

[@issaknifeprty]

Nomura wasn’t the writer..

[@The_Last_Data_Hound]

@@issaknifeprtyHe is supervisor though which means he still has sway in story direction. Its why this iteration feels like Kingdom Hearts lite where the story is convoluted with little to no stakes.

[@issaknifeprty]

@@The_Last_Data_Hound The lead writer is Nojima, one of the two writers of the original FF7. I’m not sure why fingers are pointed at a guy who didn’t write the story but only realized the writers vision.

[@s3studios597]

Probably a weird take, but I think the first 3 Pokemon remakes are a perfect example of how to do a remake with changing too much or sticking too close to the original.

[@MugenLord]

Resident Evil 1 Remake is the standard on how to do a true remake in my personal opinion.

[@viruschris3160]

I really need to play RE1. Have it but never got around to it. I did initially like RE2 until I learn how much they changed from the original that I didn’t like RE2 as much anymore. Especially what they did to Leon and Claire’s characters. And RE4? Don’t want to touch it. Tried the demo didn’t like the controls. Changing the villains as much killed it for me.

[@Xerazal]

It's not to lead into advent children. This is a sequel to the original game and advent children. From what I can tell, the sephiroth from advent children is somehow able to send his mind into the past and is trying to change everything. It's not a remake in the sense of the devs remaking the game for us, its a remake as in sephiroth is trying to remake the universe in his image. It's nomura, what did you expect.

[@StreetFitsATX]

Bro. This is the best break down of the rebirth story I've seen thus far. I swear I was so confused and hated how convoluted parts of the story were. But still enjoyed the game regardless.

[@MugenLord]

Wow, thanks bro glad I was able to break this down for ya XD

[@lunarkrueger3341]

As for someone who didn't play the OG when it came out. I somehow missed the FF7 train growing up. All I can say is this. Final Fantasy 7 Remake got me into Final fantasy franchise. Now Final fantasy 7 Rebirth makes me wish I never played the games. I dont see the point of the Trilogy. It will take 12 years and almost 210 dollars for a full experience. For a story that is 90% the same and 10% different. Its whats the point of it? I understand all roads leads to Advent children and Dirge of Cerberus. Im more curious about Dirge of Cerberus now. I have no attachments to the OG story or OG cast. I do hope we get a multiple endings like Chrono Trigger. You get the bad ending where Sephiroth wins and you get the good ending where everyone is happy. This story is all over the place. But it probably will end the same way as the OG game.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Just disregard this dumpster fire and play the OG FF7. It's still a great game.

[@lunarkrueger3341]

@Molotov_Milkshake That is an excellent point.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@lunarkrueger3341 Enjoy!

[@lunarkrueger3341]

@@Molotov_Milkshake Thank you.

[@yumyumeatemup]

That is not safer Sephiroth you fight at the end. That is Bizzaro Sephiroth. Safer Sephiroth is the last boss with the white wings and casts Supernova.

[@MugenLord]

I know, I misspoke.

[@Mingodough]

Yes I hope people talk more about this. So much paid reviewers and or hype beasts. I couple minutes in and yes I have to hard agree, defining fate was never one of the themes of the og. It’s ruining the legacy of ff7

[@MugenLord]

That is the problem, too much fake hype and shilling for this trilogy. I can admit there are some things I like back the game and the new story isn't one of them.

[@Mingodough]

@@MugenLord yeah which is fine, but the legacy ff7 mainly left had to do with its story, which is heavily altered

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

Another thing is, they could have brought ff7 to a New audience, but instead with this crappy sequel sht those new audience have to play the original if they want the Real ff7 eperience, wich they wont, because if graphics and gameplay. Nomzra had one job and he fkd up even that one job

[@Anthony-hb3hz]

One of the best videos I've seen. You covered things I forgot about. Nicely done.

[@MugenLord]

Thanks!

[@robertmurphy9070]

Aerith is not dead and Alive. She is dead. That doesn't mean we will not see her again in the next film. They will flush-out all the inconsistency's in the first game. Aerith is dead but gets the job done and is still felt. Cloud felt her in the original, he will feel her more profoundly in the final game. The moment everyone is frustrated with will probably hit you harder when it actually happens which in my view will happen when Tifa Unlocked his mind. This full story would've probably been very difficult to flush out in the mid "90's when the original was made. Tifa had to take the lifestream ride to help eventually de-fragment Cloud. What you are seeing is an even more fragmented Cloud. There is absolutely no way Nobody talked to Cloud about Aertihs' death before leaving the water side. Everything you need to understand isn't spoken, it is in and only in both of his facial explanations before seeing Aerith while everyone is morning her water side and after the flash and seeing Aerith. No matter which world Aerith is on she is Always destined to die while trying to either hide from Sephiroth or confronting him. I will bet that everything you are confused about will come together in a much better and more interesting way than the Original Game. They're purposely making the game more non linear than the original. They're doing this to elicit a reaction out of you when you won't expect it instead of doing it when you did expect it. To make it make more sense, Sephiroth isn't just playing insane mind games with Cloud, he is also playing massive mind games with YOU the player. Food for thought. Maybe I'm just way off base, but I payed a lot of attention to a lot of things that I haven't seen others paying attention to. What color where the whispers in Remake? What do the White whispers represent? The only time they work together from my memory is when they are both trying to stop Cloud from killing Aerith. I think that has more to it than meets the eye. I do not feel the whispers in Remake where the planets whispers and I have a feeling they belong to another entity completely which Sephiroth was able to use after his original defeat and taking Genova. That leads strait to Advent Children. I'm probably just a 53 year old fool seeing what I want to see. Take it with a grain of salt.

[@robertmurphy9070]

Sephiroths goal is to kill Aerith in all the different fragmented worlds, manipulate cloud for his objective, and then to merge all the worlds through all negative emotions to rule over the planet to be able to complete the original games objective.

[@YouTubeCensors]

The way you went deep into the details and the whole Dimensional travel/swapping BS. 100% its a well earned FF this game.. and i remember being, well that's terrible for Remake's changes

[@Solo-5050]

Im more of a casual gamer (i know, i know). I never played the OG (FFX was my 1st Final Fantasy game). I always heard how FF7 was everyone's favorite/best and that Sephiroth was the most evil antagonist among the series. When seeing him in movies and other games he always seemed like such a badass to me. Now, however, as I've played remake and currently playing rebirth, he doesn't seem so great nor that evil or badass 🤨. At this point im just trying to hurry thru the game so i can move on to something else. It doesn't seem like THAT GREAT of a Final Fantasy story imo 🤷‍♂️😅.

[@DICEBOY22]

As I said in another comment section The OG was such a pure heroes journey, this remake is overly complicated tangled spaghetti noodles. Not only is the ending weird again but now your telling me Cid is some "Milady" simp...? The fuck you doing Square??

[@NerdGeekTalk]

1:13:21 in the remake universe she’s dead. Cloud create an alternate timeline when he saved her just like Zack did when couldn’t decide to see Biggs or Hojo

[@salmark9080]

It’s not really multiverse , it’s more about the lifestream holding their memories and being used a plot device. The multiple worlds won’t be used like a marvel movie , they’ll all come together

[@obsessive_hermit]

This is a distinction without a difference. The scene where AU Aerith gives "prime" Cloud the White Materia so that he can use it in the "prime" universe CLEARLY shows that the alternate universes are tangible--they are REAL places with real, corporeal people and objects; not illusions or hypothetical visions of what could have happened otherwise. Handwaving it as "lifestream shenanigans" does not change this fact. Actually, trying to handwave it as "lifestream nonsense" just makes it worse, because it makes even less sense than if it were a conventional multiverse. Sephiroth's line about how: "THE PLANET (singular) encompasses a multitude of WORLDS (plural)" is one of the stupidest oxymorons I've ever heard. It's FF7R's equivalent of FFXIII-2's: "If you change the future, you change the past."

[@HXXXXWXXN]

@@obsessive_hermit Its not tho. @Salmark9080 is right. The lifestream and its multiple worlds which was created after Sephiroth consumed the whispers at the end of Remake are made up of hopes, dreams and memories. This is also why the materia is able to be transfered, because materia is made of Memories/Prayer. Also, the materia was never physically handed off to Cloud, it was a symbolic transference of memories.

[@salmark9080]

@@obsessive_hermit right but with that said there’s still one cloud one Aerith /zack etc it’s all one soul not multiple entities running around. That’s why the meaning of the cast still didn’t feel watered down to me. We shall see though !

[@NetBattler]

it's better for the writer leave this game alone after this.... He have done so much damage than it already is.

[@Dan_nerd]

This was a really good review you told us you lied to dislike, but you kept it honest I do like that 🔥🔥🔥