Final Fantasy VII For Sega Saturn !?

In today's video, we discuss Final Fantasy VII and a fan project that has been created to showcase a snippet of the game running on the Sega Saturn.
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[@somthinwrong]

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[@thenuclearsandwich]

If FF7 came out for the Saturn back in the day, things could have turned out quite different for Sega.

[@justaguy2732]

Or for ff…

[@PHlyestofNerds]

@@justaguy2732 that’s what I was thinking

[@stefanswiss3760]

I think their negotiation tactics were flawed and that a more successful saturn might not have saved them in the end. They got killed by wallmart and other big distributors contracts in US, when you hear that even the end of the Genesis in the US was not very profitable because the contracts had Sega with the obligation to have huge stocks of games and consoles at anypoint in time and every cadridge that was not sold was to be baught back by Sega (killing their profits) Sony being on the market with other technological background probably had better deals all together and were better at negociating : "you don't wan't the play station? sure but that means you probably won't get any of the walkmans, TVs, tech product or artists licenced by our studios... Yeah? I don't think so"

[@user-sk5zn1em8i]

True true maybe Sega would still be PlayStation competition instead of just now making games for all consoles I had a Sega Saturn and would have loved to see ff7 release on it

[@MrKrewie]

There was more to PlayStations success than ff7, Sony just hit all the right buttons in terms of price availability and games at the time with a bit of luck as well

[@IpfxTwin]

The Saturn's hardware was pretty powerful, just extremely difficult to program for. While they may be able to do FMV and movement simultaneously, it will no doubt be a huge challenge optimizing. I would love to hear the soundtrack with the Saturn's YMF292 chip.

[@jamesofficial6829]

@IpfxTwin The Playstation had the more powerful hardware out of the 32 bit systems. The graphics on the Sega Saturn were way more downgraded compared to the Playstation.

[@IpfxTwin]

@jamesofficial6829 Playstation did have better hardware but not by as large of a margin as one would think. With clever programming, Saturn could multitask effectively, but its biggest constraint was the memory bus. The 2nd VDP was added before they could really rethink the system layout. Playstation really did nail everything during that particular generation between hardware, dev tools, and establishing connections with the right game publishers.

[@LaFFTrip81]

I remember having a Pentium II-100 PC and convinced myself that it would run the game 😅 it was a slide show at full screen then resized the window even further to about a quarter of a 14 inch monitor.. then it ran full speed 😂

[@Null_Experis]

You probably mean the original Pentium. Pentium II's minimum speed was 233mhz, and would have run the original Eidos release of FF7 for PC quite easily, even in software mode. I had an AMD K6 at 166mhz and a crappy S3 Virge and only 16mb of RAM. the game ran fine until there was sections with transparency effects like the smoke under junon, and the lightning effects on the Gold Saucer battle arena that made it crawl to less than 1 FPS. Once I got 32MB, it worked fine.

[@XVa-uj8m]

I wonder if Square hates Sega as they NEVER ever put any of their properties on a Sega system.

[@MrPIN360]

I wouldn't say that. Squaresoft was beholden to Nintendo back in the day and when they were finally ready to ditch Nintendo after much strain had been put on their relationship they had considered Sega as a possibility. It just so happens that Sony being the bigger company had swooped in and swooned Squaresoft (along with many other developers at the time) to come and make games for their "Playstation" instead while under the noses of Nintendo. Had Squaresoft at the time, developed games for the Sega Genesis or Saturn both Nintendo and Sony would have kicked them to the curb. They simply would not be allowed to continue developing games for Nintendo if they made them available anywhere else and Sony would quickly become known for the same thing with their 3rd party developers once they became the market leader. It's just how it goes when you're the market leader you have more control over who gets to make games for your console.

[@ironhell813]

A lot of devs did this it just cost so much to train devs for a certain architecture that it often wasn’t possible to port something so they just picked a console and usually stuck to it.

[@XVa-uj8m]

@@ironhell813 I said Sega system not THE Saturn. The PS2 was a nightmare to program for so I am surprised they never gave the Dreamcast a look.

[@pablocasas5906]

@@XVa-uj8m Squaresoft always seemed like a company that had a sort of unhealthy loyalty towards a certain console manufacturer. Even when they burned bridges with Nintendo after the Final Fantasy VII announcement, I find it weird that they didn't try to give some support to the Game Boy and Game Boy Color, even some companies that didn't release many games on the Nintendo 64 still made games for the the GB and GBC. Enix released tons of Dragon Quest games for Nintendo's handhelds during the N64 era, Squaresoft could have easily made some sort of Final Fantasy spin-off on the Game Boy Color to capitalize on the success they achieved on the PSOne, but they instead they chose to support Nintendo's main rival in the handheld space, the WonderSwan, a console that didn't even leave Japan.

[@ColeFam]

What is the magazine shown at 0:34? Id like to see that art in full.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Final Fantasy VII being on the Sega Saturn is so bizarre, that I don’t know why there wasn’t a fan made port of VII for the N64. You know, the console it was originally going to be in.

[@nickelarcade6934]

If re2 was possible. Ff7 certainly is! lol

[@mushra50]

It ain't like it's going to be for the Nintendo 64 square enix rejected Nintendo cuz they wanted to go with cartridges and square in his pacifically told them cartridges don't have enough memory because back in those days cartridges with a great amount of memory were incredibly expensive to reproduce

[@prehistoricgentlemanbird9131]

Cartridges. That’s why. Plenty of videos on this very subject.

[@kevinkite3418]

With flashcarts today I think a full PS1 port to N64 would be possible.

[@haaria83]

@@kevinkite3418but what’s the point now? Just for the memes i guess? 🤔

[@Frogbull55]

Wow! My projects featured on @TopHatGamingManChannel ?! Huge thanks for the spotlight! 🙌

[@roeuth]

Back in the day I’d trade games and I lent my friend Gran Turismo and he lent me FF7. I was so amazed by the gameplay and mechanics that when I returned the game I told him this game is freaking Awesome. He never really got into it but when I told him that, he later told me that yeah the game is Badazz. Oh the days when kids had a hidden gem in their hands and didn’t know what to do with it.

[@KingC89]

I don't know if I'd call the 2nd best selling PS1 game a "hidden gem"

[@roeuth]

@@KingC89 It is when you're a kid without enough money for even a 20$ game. It was scarce back then, we didn't have mods and digital downloads back in the day, mind you.

[@KingC89]

@@roeuth How old are you?

[@Valerius123]

FF7 fans are like "video games wouldn't exist if it weren't for FF7". Man do you guys overestimate how good of a game it is and how much influence it had.

[@pablocasas5906]

To be fair, I think FF7 did have a huge influnce in gaming, I mean, the 32/64-bit era brought huge changes, but FF7 did open the floodgates for the JRPG genre in the West, alongside Pokémon. I was 4 years when FF7 was released, so I didn't play it until I was in my teens after hearing about how popular it was on the Internet, and while the game didn't leave a huge impact on me, since I already knew some of its most inconic twists, I found it very enjoyable and I actually finished it three times. Hoever, i think part of why FF7 had such an impact was due to the huge marketing campaign Sony gave it in North America and Europe, for many people it was their first major JRPG game Though FF7 wasn't very popular across the world as most people would think, I'm from Latin America and here FF7 never had that much of an impact, despite the popularity of the PSOne back in the day. I mostly attributed due to the fact that Sony didn't have an official presence in Latin America and if you managed to find a pirtaed copy of FF7, it was in English so the game was unplayable for many of us. There was an European Spanish translation, but that was full of grammatical errors Still, Final Fantasy VII does deserve a lot of respect, though sometimes I wish Square would care about other games in the series as much as they do for VII

[@Valerius123]

@@pablocasas5906 You're repeating, almost verbatim, baseless claims. The JRPG genre was already fairly big in the west *before* FF7. Use your noggin' here and get over the hype for a second. Before FF7 we had 6 other main entries to the franchise... including FF6. Even MARIO came out with Super Mario RPG because the JRPG Genre was so popular. This was before FF7. I... can't get over how delusional you people are. I haven't even gotten around to the remakes because whenever I think of FF7 I just think of FF7 fans foaming at the mouth. The most annoying fanbase out of anything I can think of.

[@Valerius123]

@@pablocasas5906 Btw, I don't hate FF7. I hate the FF7 fan base.

[@DatGameCollector]

You earned my like today

[@mac2me100]

Sega had Sonic, they just didn't know how to make it work. Mario killed turtle's I'd say anything possible in the other direction.

[@entertainmentwizard2703]

Would be interesting to see FF7 fully playable on Saturn!

[@laserdiscphan]

As a Saturn owner from back in the 32 bit era, as much as I would have loved having this as part of the Saturn library, it would look a bit off seeing as how often transparencies are utilized in the game and the Saturn just couldn't do that.

[@jamesbarker5535]

Could it not? Sonic R would like a quiet word with you!

[@JLAvey]

Even if it was just the Midgar part of the game, it would be worth playing on the Saturn.

[@jamesofficial6829]

What I would really love to see is FF7 on the Dreamcast! OMG now that would be so amazing having smooth character models higher textures and a higher FPS and resolution. That would be a lot of work though. Plus the Dreamcast was hard to program for back then being so far ahead of its time also the programing language too was hard. Why hardly anyone made games on it.

[@alexc.7375]

I wonder if Final Fantasy could have changed SEGA's fate?

[@dinohermann1887]

I think the popularity of FF7 was also due to Sony‘s excellent marketing of that game. I doubt Sega would’ve been able to market is as well as Sony did.

[@KrowlWalker]

IMO, no. Give some more space and maybe life to Saturn? Yes, but not change the fact the Sega at the time was an unorganized company, full of intern struggles and lack of support between Japan and American, so, even with FF7 in the system, the fate was settled to doom, unfortunately. (English is not my first language, so let me know if is not comprehensive.)

[@stefanswiss3760]

I agree with you and atop of what you say I would add that their negotiation tactics were flawed and that a more successful saturn might not have saved them in the end. They got killed by wallmart and other big distributors contracts in US, when you hear that even the end of the Genesis in the US was not very profitable because the contracts had Sega with the obligation to have huge stocks of games and consoles at anypoint in time and every cadridge that was not sold was to be baught back by Sega (killing their profits) Sony being on the market with other technological background probably had better deals all together and were better at negociating : "you don't wan't the play station? sure but that means you probably won't get any of the walkmans, TVs, tech product or artists licenced by our studios... Yeah? I don't think so"@@KrowlWalker

[@johantsai3754]

In the business battle at the end of 1995 in Japan, the clear winner was Sega Saturn. Sony managed to turn the tide in the Japanese market only with the announcement of Final Fantasy 7. If this game had been on Sega's side, Sony wouldn't have stood a chance. Overall, Sony made thorough preparations to win the console war, and Final Fantasy 7 was a crucial part of it. Sega didn't actively pursue Square, so the hypothetical scenario mentioned above was highly unlikely to happen.

[@Julayla]

Cool

[@chumorgan443]

Love 7 but it didn't really push the PS1 and could definitely be done on the Sega box.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

It might have worked. Most of the game had 3d characters run around on prerendered backgrounds. This got to be an issue on the PC version because the 3d objects would be really sharp against the lower-res renders. Final Fantasy VII also ran at 15 FPS on the PlayStation There's also the factor of "done on a time crunch and budget" and which time period of the Saturn it would have been released at.

[@captainsonic]

As a Saturn owner and enthusiast, if this had really come out on the Saturn back in the day, I would have played the shit out of it.

[@Lock2002ful]

Hilarious and interesting ^^

[@luisreyes1963]

Just imagine had Square gone with the SEGA Saturn, instead of the Sony PlayStation for Final Fantasy VII. Might even make Tifa hotter...😉

[@mainstreetsaint36]

How can that be?!

[@tedmcfly]

Who is the artist that draws your thumbnails?

[@Ambient-Drive]

looks like ai

[@Javeton]

Ai lol

[@xXHashassinXx]

But, i didn't spend 6000 dollars on a UK only service while living in Peru...? Tell me more about how a shop near Harrods will sell me knock off handbags. I live in Peru...

[@Alien_isolationist]

I have the PS1 edition, the ps1 demo, & the PS5 & Nintendo Switch version. Definitely dont have the sega version lol

[@mr.voidout4739]

When homebrewers discover they can reverse-port games from an alternate reality.

[@dannyd4339]

Peak "just because you can, does not mean you should"

[@bizarroeddie1]

Playstation could do this seamless transitions from in-game graphics to cutscenes with zero effort, it is one of its features. There were some attempts at the same at Saturn, i remember Shining the holy ark trying something similar but it doesn't look nearly as good. Square would know to use Saturn's strenghts to its fullest just like they did with PS1, but it would for sure be a very different game.

[@FoxUnitNell]

I think final fantasy tactics would be better on the Saturn since it's 2d.

[@jimmicrackhead12]

They should make it for nintendo 64!!! It had better graphics than Saturn

[@Cruxics]

If you followed any of the discussions surrounding these projects, you'd find they failed the basic technical needs to satisfy being able to provide a one to one reporduction of either game. Showing the opening moments of a PS1 game doesn't really sell it, as it doesn't show when the game puts full strain on the hardware. These projects in particular failed to even reproduce a one to one example. Saturn is a powerful machine, but there are some aspects that its design made reproducing a PS1 game near impossible and they'd have had to design around it like it was a wii game.

[@AyeThatsHandsomePete]

Superb villain? Debatable.

[@TheIllustriouBlueJay]

Second only to Kefka.

[@voltronjr1]

I'm first yeaaaaaah

[@bonyboneyard]

i can't with these AI generated thumbnails. might as well just AI generate the videos as you clearly don't put enough work into them. unsubscribed.

[@Suhadisgood]

It doesn’t matter what console final Fantasy games went on in the 90’s they all sucked Saturn was great for just fighting games it had no vibration your battery dies all your saves are gone you need to start from scratch which was completely a joke Sega consoles needed batteries you would think all your saved games would never be deleted you want to play final fantasy 7 go play it on PS4 PS5 PC the way it was meant to be played the PSX plays like trash like the NES cause Square exnix didn’t care much

[@pedronicolau9246]

Still way better then having no internal memory, memory cards where quite expensive at the time

[@mikekanner2156]

@@pedronicolau9246you don’t know what your saying if you lose any of those memory cards all your saves are gone think before saying something dumb the PS3 gives you infinite memory cards for the PS1 PS2 all your saves to the PS3 PS4 PS5 gets saved on the console without getting deleted unlike the Saturn that if the battery dies you lose every save you ever did so your point is useless

[@pedronicolau9246]

@@mikekanner2156 It was about you saying that it was a joke the internal memory of saturn and i was comparing with ps1 whitch doesn't have internal memory and you are forced to buy to a memory card on the top of buying a console, at least with the saturn you are force to buy a memory card the moment you aquire it and why are comparing consoles of different generations?

[@mikekanner2156]

@@pedronicolau9246 dude memory cards aren’t expensive how can you compare the memory cards to hard drives SSD you need to install games on I don’t remember memory cards costing $100-$800 as the SSD I wish it was memory cards we were buying instead of SSD for storage the console just plays the games

[@pedronicolau9246]

@@mikekanner2156 I said AT THE TIME of saturn and playststion 1 and they cost the same as new game, around 60 dollars, with infaltion it is probably 100 dolars

[@jjl267]

Ff7 on the saturn?? That would have been a awful version.🤣

[@raafmaat]

i bet they would have added FMV sequences!

[@ozzie.l.6035]

Why n how you know,are you a game developer or something like that?? Ok let me think. 🙄

[@ozzie.l.6035]

Hummm nop,you are just an awful internet troll. 🤭🤭🤭

[@josephhooks1292]

How so? In the right hands the Saturn could output quite a bit better visuals than ps1. Just took a lot of effort devs weren’t willing to put in. Just look at some home brew projects on Saturn and games like virtua fighter 2 that ran at double the typical ps1 output resolution at 60fps.

[@enno3456]

Panzer Dragoon 2 and Saga are also 2 good games that had shown what the saturn could do graphicaly. Or new games like Cube Cat. That looks awesome