Final Fight MD on Sega Genesis! A New Version of Capcom's Arcade Beat Em Up is Here

[@SRC267]

There's also Final Fight Enhanced made for the Amiga, just released

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll have to check it out. I am admittedly blind to the Amiga

[@beingsupersonic7499]

Looks stupidly good! The Mega CD version is my go to version due to that rockin’ arranged soundtrack. Enjoying all the new projects for retro machines, so keep em coming👍🏻

[@Gorilla_Jones]

Sega Genesis, the gift that keeps on giving. ❤️

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Still awesome decades later

[@ViegasSilva]

Did you know there is also Real Bout FF Special WIP for the Mega Drive

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

And Marvel Super Heroes

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I did see. May need to cover that

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sega is hot right now

[@ViegasSilva]

@@PopeTheRevXXVIII that one is still not playable

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Email me : videogameesoterica at that Google company

[@jamescampbell8482]

I love things like this because it's like seeing an alternate 90s genesis catalog. Between this and Mortal Kombat arcade edition you almost feel cheated… Almost with what we got back in the day

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes you realize what the hardware could REALLY do

[@MichaelMirs]

Wow, what an incredible port! Huge congrats to the devs, looks fantastic. This just shows how good the Megadrive really is, what a console! Look forward until the full release 👍

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The Genesis had a lot left in the tank power wise

[@simon41978]

Megadrive is the most interesting retro platform now. I always felt a bit cheated that it didn't get the best licenses back in the day. No TMNT but it went to NES. No Robocop, no Shadow Warriors, no Splatterhouse port. It was all because Nintendo had those companies signed-up. Well, I may get them belatedly. If I knew how to code, I'd be making them myself.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d say Saturn is getting the coolest stuff lately IMO

[@huillamdaverc3141]

Looks awesome. I hope someone does a cool complete boxed reproduction of the game when it's finished.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Would look great on a shelf for sure

[@ciaranmccarthy]

If we are talking CPS1 ports I'd like to see U.N. Squadron to compare it to the SNES version. The faster CPU on the Mega Drive was better suited to shoot 'em ups.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That would be a good head to head to see for sure

[@Karmicx83]

I was raised playing the SNES version of Final Fight. When I finally seen the arcade version, my jaw dropped. That's when I learned Arcade and Console were two different animals at the time lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes you don’t realize how much more impressive arcade hardware was vs home console until you put them side by side

[@kosmosyche]

The Sega CD version is pretty rad too. I even prefer arranged music from it to the arcade.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

If only they could take this and pop it on Sega cd with the arrange soundtrack

[@caviar_dreamz]

Theres a way to patch MD games to play CD audio in conjunction with the Sega CD. Would love to see that was an option.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d def be into that

[@jimmelton5846]

​@astro_plane I played this version some months back and don't know how far it has progressed, but an MSU version with Mega CD soundtrack would be great.

[@METR0lD]

It's insane just how much better this looks than the old Sega CD port. If you play this for a bit, and then go straight to playing the Sega CD version afterwards, it is shocking.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It is night and day. Thanks for telling me to do the vid

[@juniorsierra85]

Cadlacs and Dinosaurs for Genesis: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ-4nXmtr8R4eLMsi=NMHrsG_EnwWDVmO8

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Interesting

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

68000 cpu I'm expecting some CPS and Neo geo ports from some dedicated devs. In it's day the Genesis wasn't pushed hard enough 30 years on though

[@simon41978]

A better Champion Edition port, The Punisher, Rolling Thunder, Splatterhouse, TMNT.

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

We got at least one of those thanks to fan hacks/mods

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d be into Splatterhouse

[@simon41978]

@@PopeTheRevXXVIII By better Champion Edition port, I mean looking a lot better with big sprites. Somebody made a 4 Meg demo like this.

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

@@simon41978 oh?

[@ArcadeCabNBud]

Really impressed with this

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s impressive already and not even done yet

[@newtonkline5341]

you are the only person i have heard to say the megasys is a cut down version of cps hardware witch is the absolute truth. you have done your homework sir

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Lol I know a thing or two about things…or two!

[@simon41978]

@@VideoGameEsoterica To me, Megadrive is a watered-down System-16 and SNES reminds me very much of the Capcom Tiger Road hardware.

[@jessragan6714]

I realize there's a million ways to play Final Fight, but just having it run on stock Genesis hardware is thrilling. Vindicating for an old veteran of the console wars. This is the riposte to a crappy, undercooked Genesis version of an arcade hit like Sunset Riders or Smash TV or Mortal Kombat. THIS is what the Genesis can do, mofos.

[@ofmannotmachine3012]

Absolutely! It'd be awesome to see if these guys would build MK 2 from the ground up and see how the Genesis could have really pulled the game off. There's a port of Mortal Kombat 2 in development for the 3DO that's looking fantastic!! 12 year old me who owned a 3DO is getting some personal vindication seeing how well that port is coming along

[@jessragan6714]

@@ofmannotmachine3012 It'd be nice to have a digitized fighting game on the 3DO that's actually fun to play, and not Way of the Warrior. (Or Shadow: War that Sucks-session.)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Nothing wrong with having another way to play that’s for sure :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m in that port somewhere hidden haha

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Way of the Warrior is fun in a janky way

[@moo422]

This port is phenomenal. Do we know if there are plans for 2p coop? I remember the SNES version was single player and was missing the industrial stage also, until Final Fight Guy was released.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not sure on the future plans. I’ll have to check

[@flaviatatiana1953]

That port supports 2 players mode.

[@T200026]

I'm a final fight fan, but only just realised the arcade game needed blood .

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

A little blood does make more sense

[@martinh4982]

Looks cool. I'm guessing the programmers are using some palette tricks to display more colours on screen than was usual. Be interested to see a side-by-side with Arcade, Mega-CD, and this version.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Could be. I’m not certain of all the technical details

[@TurboXray]

No palette tricks. This is written in C (not assembly). This is just good ol' fashion optimizing for the right/best colors.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And it looks great for it!

[@DJackson747]

I would love to see a Genesis MD version of the King of Dragons. It was a super simplistic beat em up but its still fun with friends. Knights of the Round and magic sword too. Snes got all those but i think the genesis could do those games better

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That would be a fun time for sure

[@ciaranmccarthy]

If you play in software emulation can you disable the sprite limit per line to fix the sprite flicker? There's a great rom hack called Final Fight 2 Readjusted on the SNES that increases the enemies on screen. You can do the sprite limit emulation hack and the game plays like I am sure the devs intended but were hampered by the hardware. The original game is far too easy with so few enemies. With the hack you have to use tactics like the throw for crowd control, which is a core mechanic of the original game.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Good question on the sprite flicker. I’d presume so

[@cheater00]

Hmm, what's "vide ome soterica"?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Whatever I decide it is 😂

[@brianpbillingsley3687]

FYI: It's pronounced "Master Lin-Kway". A reference to Sub-Zero's clan from Mortal Kombat. But yeah, this is a great port.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Good to know

[@shain6946]

Sega butchered the SCD version with strange colors,etc it’s as if they didn’t want it to look as good as the arcade. Great to see this version, looking good!

[@kenallen8213]

Yeah, the colors were definitely washed out. But that was only a minor distraction considering how good the Sega CD version is. But this version is vastly superior to the already outstanding SCD version. The background details and use of the color palette is amazing.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The colors were odd but the game was still fun

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes at least the fun factor was still there

[@simon41978]

You probably won't believe me but they do this often intentionally. Companies mangle their games as rituals that make certain Gematria codes. Art Of Fighting has bad controls for a ritual. Street Fighter (1987) plays horrible intentionally, the Dreamcast controller was always meant to be bad. Why would they do that? Anybody in big business is following a script and must do dark rituals and play the game.

[@AlemannoDigitale]

Is there any major difference between this and the arcade version?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not like content wise no

[@caviar_dreamz]

Do they have any plans to port other CPS 1 beat’em ups? This project looks great.

[@jessragan6714]

Someone else did a demo version of Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, but it's nowhere near this polished.

[@BocaRetroGames]

They are also working on some original new games

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I haven’t heard anything. Gotta finish this first

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ooh that I didn’t know

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Which is always fun

[@TurboXray]

There's no similarities between the two in play here. Normally, it would have been the 68k if you took the original source and hacked it to run on the MD (with all the hardware interface routines changed to match MD). But the code is written entirely from scratch, in C, and the sprite systems between the MD and the arcade are nothing alike (as well as everything else about the graphic systems between the two). This was made from ground up, with care... which is what means it most impressive. The color usage.. wow - it just kills the original SegaCD port. Love it!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It does have a LOT more colors that’s for sure

[@Superdimensional]

I feel with some love the SNES port could also be made arcade perfect

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

SNES is such an odd release. Because you also have Final Fight Guy

[@laytaylor]

The SNES and MD will always trade blows re conversions like this. The SNES with SA-1 co processor would be able to push a higher frame rate than stock, and with MSU-1 have CD quality audio, but the Sprite-tile-display limits wouldn't get to CPS fidelity.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

MSU-1 though is an unfair advantage though haha

[@laytaylor]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Well I listed the available support hardware the SNES has as the console out of the two that could be closer to the CPS in everything but sprite-tile resolution, the MD being able to utilize only the SEGA VDP cart chip for better fps.

[@simon41978]

@@laytaylor Resolution is the thing with SNES. It has to stretch the graphics to get to a 4:3 ratio. It's natural play area is square shaped. You could make the graphics skinny so that when you stretch them they look right but hardly anybody ever did that. Chrono Trigger is an example.

[@newtonkline5341]

ghouls and ghosts is getting the same treatment. forgotten worlds should be next along a debut on the megasys of magic sword

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Fun stuff!

[@T-Stat79]

Yes, but is it 2 player now ?

[@flaviatatiana1953]

Yes

[@remygamb1t]

Very good audio and gameplay too. Why coding snes is so hard?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t think it’s hard. I just think back in the day it was a quick conversion

[@remygamb1t]

I mean, today so many homebrews are made for Mega Drive and it's amazing. But not to Snes...

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t believe there is as a robust tool set on the snes side

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

​​@@remygamb1t the Genesis is better documented and very close to the Amiga and Arcade boards of the day. That's why you're also seeing new Neo Geo games The SNES has a lot of guess work and isn't as documented

[@newtonkline5341]

sushi from the trash is way better than sushi from a vending machine

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d say they are about the same

[@Fellipe2k5]

Sega Cd version looks better in my opinion

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s fair. Everyone gets their opinion

[@sb6482]

Sega fanboy programmers are a bit embarassing. Its like they’re jumping up and down saying “see our consoles could do this” like the console wars are still in the balance. Sega is dead. accept it! There is no point in a port of Final Fight to the MD when the arcade version is available on any number of platforms now and porting playstation games to Saturn is again utterly pointless. Some fans have even done tech demos of stuff like F Zero and Starfox to MD and i really dont get it. they look terrible and prove nothing.

[@faselei7774]

Sounds to me like you're worried about losing the console war

[@flaviatatiana1953]

Sentiu

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

There doesn’t need to be a reason except “it’s fun so I did it”

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha the war is back

[@simon41978]

It's fascinating to see what the Megadrive was truly capable of without ROM limits. It's certainly not pointless to many old-timers.