FINALLY Lightroom + Photoshop. TRANSFORMATIONAL new feature

[@larsthufvesson9725]

I uninstalled the Beta version in order to get back to the 2023 version. Now I know better, lifelong learning - thanks a lot Colin!!

[@mrbob8695]

Excellent! Just the Tutorial I needed. Thank You Colin

[@marcromanbravo]

Oh wow. Finally! Thanks for pointing this out. I'd never have stumbled on this.

[@photoshopcafe]

I’m glad it was helpful

[@christosviskadourakis9030]

Just on time for an upcoming project. Thank you!

[@drshawnie]

I take notes when I follow along with you Colin however I really really appreciate your notes! thank you so much!

[@carpemomentumfoto]

Awesome explanation of this LR/PS feature! Thank you!

[@rodrigoundaa]

as usual your videos are so instructive! Thanks Janitor!!!

[@nicoleemilyphotography5228]

Thanks for this information! Have you found the issue that when adding your presets from Lightroom using this technique or editing in Lightroom after it has been in photoshop that your presets don't show up the same colour as they would on a raw file? Is there anyway to fix this issue?

[@imagingconcepts]

Great video, very informative, 9 minutes well spent

[@ralphpayne6259]

Very useful video. The two programs continue to get closer! Adobe are starting to really understand user needs. And thankfully we have you to explain it.👍

[@artdawggy]

Yes great video. Pity we need you to explain it. It is hardly intuitive but maybe it will get there at some point.

[@Stellifant]

Great video once again Colin. I love the exaggerated yellow/blue text emphases

[@wds525]

This is very helpful! Thank you!

[@drshawnie]

smart object, smart layers smart smart smart!🤯

[@jaimee.campuzanot.2702]

Thank you Colin

[@photoshopcafe]

You’re welcome

[@axelmatthies5622]

Great video. It's very useful. Thanks for sharing with us.

[@davidmccarthy3069]

Colin, as always your teaching style is easy to understand and has brilliant workflow advantages...thank you ... towards the end, you mention focus stacking of multiple Smart Object layers, are you suggesting manually with masks and maybe Blend Mode? What are your thoughts? thanks

[@photoshopcafe]

Photoshop has focus stacking, Ive made tutorials on it :)

[@davidmccarthy3069]

I just watched your tutorial and you Auto Align / Auto Blend layers... Smart Objects from yesterday's post can NOT Auto Align or Auto Blend... grey NOT available??

[@photoshopcafe]

@@davidmccarthy3069 You might have to rasterize the layers then

[@orcaspest]

Great video, thank you!

[@jayehaleryn]

Amazing! ABout darn time, Adobe! Thanks so much for the tutorial, Colin! I see happy changes to my workflow! :D

[@mvereker]

Top class as usual. Thanks

[@photoshopcafe]

thanks

[@achubenko]

This is an amazing feature and great breakdown, thank you!

[@caljackson3940]

Great video!

[@nitinmungale5008]

Thank you very much for a very informative and well explained tutorial!

[@JH-qv3xv]

I can always depend on getting a useful tip but today's is a game changer for me. I do not know how many times I have asked for this but it looks like maybe I was not the only one. Thanks for highlighting the feature. Thanks

[@photoshopcafe]

So glad it helped!

[@HoundDog871]

Nicely done! Just made my workflow a lot easier.

[@photoshopcafe]

Glad to hear it

[@gregsmith6373]

AWESOME! THANK YOU!

[@ElieDib1962]

Dude ! you are the Greatest

[@goldfinch2283]

Thanks for a really useful tutorial, presented in a great way.

[@photoshopcafe]

thanks

[@PaulMarshall]

Handy to be able to edit Lightroom adjustments in Photoshop!

[@photoshopcafe]

You always could, but now you can do it with multiple layers :)

[@Baygolf54]

Help! I'm using windows and I have both Photoshop and Photoshop Beta installed. However, I'm not seeing the option to select which one to run. In fact, the drop down only contains one item - Adobe Photoshop 2023. When I go to Edit in Photoshop, I get the Beta copy and the only way not to have the Beta to open is to have Photoshop non-Beta open.

[@PervalDelCarlo]

Same with me. I think is a bug with this version

[@vertigo1055]

Very useful information that can just be immediately applied. And, this workflow has the potential to be used in so many ways it makes my head spin. Ideas are just flooding in; LOL. Cheers! Stay Healthy and Stay Sane!

[@photoshopcafe]

Thanks, this is a super useful workflow

[@m.anneblack2908]

Thank you for continuing to show us the latest features. I have used Photoshop for @ 20 years, and i realize that could make me biased. But i do wonder why, since Lightroom and ACR are virtually alike now , .. why use Lightroom any more ? This is a sincere question ?

[@muddyboy9941]

Lightroom is the catalogue where all our images are stored, PS doesn't do this. I hope this helps.

[@craigpiferphotography]

I've been using Photoshop since 1994, but not in anywhere close to a full-time capacity, so there are features that have just passed me by without me having a chance to really understand them. Smart objects is a big one of those, but I'm thinking I really need to learn and understand them. I don't go into Photoshop that often because of hating to make later adjustments in LR on that TIFF file. This changes that quite a bit.

[@photoshopcafe]

I made a video on Smart Objects, this will help you understand them properly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ_Tpnt6qLF5bq8

[@ViianaCodes]

Cool stuff!

[@kieoneyoungphotos]

I have always used edit original to go back and make additional adjustments in photoshop and lightroom updats the changes as a new image!

[@simoncullinan5369]

Thank you Colin - as always, very informative and well explained. 😃👍

[@photoshopcafe]

Thanks

[@larry.mathewson]

Colin: do you expand the portions of the screen that you are working on live as you create the video or after the video is completed? I was hoping to be able to do this while presenting a subject live to our camera club. Does windows 10 have a feature I'm not aware of. Thank you

[@DonGiannatti]

Super cool, Colin.

[@photoshopcafe]

Thx

[@CSChua]

This is excellent integration. I would love to see the same integration between Lightroom and Adobe Express. Now I hv to export in Adobe Express to add back to lightroom but losing all the objects added in Adobe Express. So now I have to retain the projects in Adobe Express which will eventually run out of cloud storage space. Further Adobe Express has a non-existent Metadata like Lightroom.

[@danfarmer_photo]

FINALLY!!!!

[@markstanley2001]

great video and excellent explanation of what is possible now. I'm not sure I will be changing my workflow just yet, as I use Freq Sep quite alot, and I've had some issues using FS with smart layers. But still good to know what is possible

[@Isaypreach]

Which photoshop version had the 3d rendering or light rendering effect?

[@photoshopcafe]

I forget, but I made a video on it a while ago. It’s on the PhotoshopCAFE channel

[@nilofido411]

Most of the features have been available for ages, except for the back and forth of camera raw that has been available only for a few years, only use Raw files, smart objects and save in PSB, no size limits and full compatibility with all the other Adobe products, TIFF if needed for eternal compatibility and printing. In PSD/PSB the original after cropping has always been available, now is also available in TIFF.

[@photoshopcafe]

The feature I am highlighting, open multiple Smart Objects as Layers is brand new as of a week ago, as is selecting multiple Photoshop versions.

[@jensgaethje8555]

@@photoshopcafe I always opened multiple smartobjencts as layers, you just dragged them together in photoshop, to make it 1 file. In fact, with a file open you can drag and drop multiple files from LR at once, which will be turned into smart layers automatically in PS. That's a few seconds, now it is one button. I too don't understand the FINALLY in the title 🤔 ??

[@stevekingswell9143]

Thanks for the explanation, but as a mainly Lightroom (photography) user, it’s still a mess of a workflow jumping between the 2 environments. We should be able to do layers in Lightroom, or if we can create them in PS, just move the smart object back to LR to continue with RAW based global edits, rather than a TIF.

[@JanHaitsma]

Awesome!

[@ForrestWest]

Thanks for all of this information! I normally edit in Photoshop and Camera raw. Except for the cataloging of the images is there any other major reason to be using Lightroom?

[@photoshopcafe]

Organizing your images is the main reason. Also batch processing and synching is easier, but you can still do that in Bridge. Personally, I have too many images to use Bridge without it being really slow and crashing. I do use Bridge for certain things though, usually projects that involve different assets, such as my design work. For Photography, I couldn't imagine being handicapped with just Bridge.

[@BrianDohertyPhotos]

Great video! how about when you clone out items. Say if you need to adjust the color temp or exposure and your clone layer does not match?

[@photoshopcafe]

If you clone on the original layer, and then nest as a smart object before changing color this won't happen

[@robbinsdrones]

For Windows users, since the Photoshop Version cannot be changed (drop down doesn't show any option except current version of PS) would adding the Beta version to the "Additional External Editor" preset work? 🤔

[@photoshopcafe]

Yes, it will work with the beta. Also you should be able to add additional versions. My windows laptop will let me install all the way back to 22.2. Sounds like you have a different issue.

[@btheiman]

@@photoshopcafe I have the same issue as Robbin. I have both Photoshop 2023 and Photoshop Beta installed. But in my LRC preferences I can only select Photoshop 2023 in the drop down list. The list does not contain Photoshop Beta.

[@nigelowen9618]

I’m having same problem on windows only allows one version of PS in drop-down when Beta is also installed…

[@racer1611]

Many Windows users in the comments have stated that Lightroom selection of Photoshop versions does not work. Unfortunately, the response to this is that it some other issue! I too have the the same issue. I would love to know if any Windows users do have this feature and have had no issue with switching the PS version.

[@gianmariozucconi3242]

come sempre tutto molto interessante!

[@martingeorgiev5436]

When we reopen the tiff file back to photoshop is the all data from raw file is still there or its gone?

[@coconuthair]

always great tutorials. Can you do one on colors being different save the file and upload on IG or any other social media. Colors are always different from my computer to IG!!

[@ellecolquitt5244]

What are the advantages of saving as a tiff rather than the original psd file?

[@photoshopcafe]

There are none. The formats are essentially the same these days.

[@WhiteKnightx7]

Sweet

[@photoshopcafe]

Thx

[@d1bobbyg]

Cool and awesome 😊

[@photoshopcafe]

Yay!

[@carlgrooms2344]

Must be a Mac only feature. i have a PC with PS beta and no other choice from Lightroom Classic latest version to choose which version of PS to use for editing

[@nathkaplan790]

The Lightroom picking the Photoshop version in preferences is not working for me. I dont think it works on Windows computers.

[@BIGBOYCO]

Question I use Bride and open in ACR then go to Photoshop. What’s the difference?

[@איתמרשגיב]

For some resone it wont let me choose the photoshop beta in the prefrence

[@frank1crayon]

I have PS 2023, PS Beta, and LRC version 12.3 on my PC, but in LRC I only see PS 2023 in the External Edit list of PS versions available. Is there something else I need to do? Thanks, in advance, Colin.

[@robbinsdrones]

Ditto - Windows user, and the Beta version I have installed (current beta) doesn't exist in the drop down in LRc.

[@photoshopcafe]

Do you have full subscription to CC, or Just Photography bundle (LR and PS)?

[@frank1crayon]

@@photoshopcafe Just the photo bundle: LR, PS, and CR.

[@robbinsdrones]

@@photoshopcafe Good question - I have just the Photography bundle

[@larsthufvesson9725]

@@photoshopcafe I have the Photography plan - what else do you need?

[@leniehulse1621]

Thanks Colin. I can never find the crop tool in Camera Raw.

[@photoshopcafe]

That’s because it doesn’t show if you open in PS and choose filter- camera raw. If you open from Bridge or Lightroom, you will see it

[@i18nGuy]

If I edit an image in PS version x, and a year later I need to make further edits, how can I tell which PS version I used to edit the file so that opening in newer versions do not introduce unwanted changes? Also, if I have a psd, when I double click (windows) to open the file, it would be nice if there was a dialog asking which PS version (latest or original) should be opened.

[@photoshopcafe]

All versions of Photoshop are capable with older documents.

[@i18nGuy]

@@photoshopcafe ok, I thought some features had been dropped recently, some of the 3d support and some of the video capabilities, because they had them in other products. Maybe that was LR?

[@jamesdavis4163]

Why start in LR, can't you do everything in PS?

[@pmoray]

What's the point of editing in PS as smart object if any tools I choose in PS, it tells me the image has to be flattened?

[@billb6685]

Am I missing what is new? I have been doing the LR PS round-trip using smart objects for years?

[@chriskay3058]

Very interesting stuff, but I'm not seeing the option of Beta Apps in the Categories Menu.

[@photoshopcafe]

Make sure you are logged in with a valid subscription and updated to the latest version of CC app

[@michaelryan2622]

It wasn't clear to me how I recognize this complex object that I'm supposed to edit in Photoshop and not Lightroom when it's all done any suggestions on that. I can see myself coming back to this at a later time and not having any idea what to do with it

[@sudeepadhananjaya6653]

iIf I edit a photo from lightroom to Photoshop. after the save, the file size is so larg. (TIFF & PSD)

[@bentleybloodworth4282]

Great stuff. Adobe should just put the two together already LR and PS so there no more bouncing back and forth. If bridge is as good or better than LR why not eliminate LR it just seems to be a messy order of things.

[@photoshopcafe]

LR is much better than Bridge at managing images, not even close.

[@eartho]

Another missed opportunity on Adobe's part. Unfortunately, the edits you make to those raw layers (in ACR) do not update your raws in Lightroom (vice versa too). I'm thinking that very few people at Adobe actually know what LINKED smart objects are and how to use them.

[@photoshopcafe]

That would be nice to have linked SOs

[@jensgaethje8555]

You can save the metadata in ACR while open as the layer filter (... menu, save settings), choose the same folder as the original file (drag and drop LR file into the dialog box), then after the PS document is saved, read meta data from file for those Raws in LR (contextual menu) and all the edits from the ACR in the PS file layers are copied to the Original single files as well.

[@jimhowardbatey410]

I don't understand why LrC and Photoshop are still separate apps. Adobe should combine the two, right ?

[@photoshopcafe]

I think they would if it was possible, but fundamentally, I don't know how they could. PS is editing actual pixels, where as Lightroom (With the exception of the enhance panel) is only sending metadata instructions and not altering the original file.

[@MrBanda77]

Why do you need LR if you have PS with CR? Or even why do you need anything else for editing if you have PS?

[@longboardfella5306]

LR at heart is a metadata manager. It’s fantastic for that. I launch into PS for all significant editing. Hope this explanation helps a bit

[@normski4ash]

So, what if we don't use lightroom ? Long time Bridge user, tried LR several times but always go back to Bridge. Can't see any way to open as smart layers, either in Bridge or ACR ! great vid tho', as always.

[@photoshopcafe]

Right Click in Bridge and choose open as Smart Object. Works for most file types, not just raw

[@normski4ash]

@@photoshopcafe Sorry, right click in Bridge or ACR doesn't have that option !

[@normski4ash]

Plus there's no where to tell it which version of PS to use in the preferences.

[@eartho]

you can only open as a single smart object layer from ACR. We've been begging Adobe for more than a decade to allow multiple layers from ACR, but they don't seem interested.

[@jensgaethje8555]

@@eartho open 1 file in ACR, open as smart object in PS. Then select multiple files in Bridge and drag and drop them onto the file in photoshop. Each file will be added as a smart object layer, one after the other. You just have to hit the enter button for each file, once whenASCR opens, then when its get placed in PS. Not fully automated, but close.

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

Switching between Photoshop versions is only something on mac it's not available on PC

[@robbinsdrones]

ah....that explains why I can't find it

[@larsthufvesson9725]

ouch - that explains it - thanks

[@photoshopcafe]

I have other versions available on my windows laptop. Make sure you are logged in with an active subscription and update the CC app

[@KellyCJones]

@@photoshopcafe I'm logged in and all apps are updated. Still not available on W10 Desktop.

[@robbinsdrones]

@@KellyCJones same here, kind of odd...

[@federicodho]

I don’t understand why we would use Lightroom when we have Photoshop with Camera raw. If you want to organize your pictures isn’t better to use Adobe Bridge which is free and specially for that?

[@photoshopcafe]

Nope, bridge isn't designed to manage thousands of images. There are many features in LRC that help with organizing your catalog.

[@donnawetter1513]

And meanwhile there is still the bug that LR mobile only updates a tiff once it's created and after that any edits will be ignored in the mobile software.

[@d1m18]

I am confused. What is the new feature? Nested or regular Smart objects are not a new feature in Photoshop?

[@photoshopcafe]

Being able to open multiple Lightroom images at once as Smart objects in Layers in PS. Previously, you could only open a single image at a time as a smart object.

[@jonasweiss5817]

Leaves out that much of Photoshop editing is with raster objects.

[@atthebreakwaters]

Thanks your for this video. However I'm pretty disappointed by this. I thoguht now there are finally the feature I wantes to have but again, not much new... I wanted to have the ability to have have the edits I've done to the image back in Lightroom after editing in Photoshop. Or for example I have edited a file in Lightroom but want to remove something out of the image with content aware fill but access my edits out of Lightroom afterwards.. I cant do that actually because I need a new layer in Photoshop. Really frustrating workflow.

[@Ingloriousvlogs]

Not to be d!ck but I was curious if you can show the next steps of finishing up the editing 😅 As soon as you did the shadow adjustment with water you see the water through the boat 🚢 that left me very unsatisfied

[@CodyCha]

this feature has been around for years...

[@Chev1220]

Okay, can anyone explain to me why so many people still just use lightroom when photoshop/CameraRaw can do all the same stuff at this point? Besides preference, sticking to old ways, and aversion to taking time to learn slightly different controls I don't get why so many people start and stay in lightroom when you can do the exact same things in photoshop without leaving. Is it the sorting and grading? Is it the filing system and storing? Whenever I ask my friends, they just say "I like it more" (which is A-ok, no problem with comfort) or "photoshop isn't for this kind of editing"(which is not true). Why is Lightroom your go-to app? Honest question, don't be a butthead, it's not an argument. Just a question.

[@chrissetter]

Good question. I take about 8tb of photos a year professionally and use LR to do the majority of the editing. LR provides the option to quickly organize, filter, cull, export and edit photo shoots with 1000s of photos. I cannot even begin to imagine how difficult that would be to do in PS. Time is money. Important features: The ability to rate using colors, numbers and flags is extremely important for editing. I need to organize my shoots by subject to make editing easier. The ability to copy and paste edits, and to choose specific parameters to copy/paste is important. The masks are very quick and very powerful for how fast they are to use. I need LR to export 100s of images together in multiple resolutions and formats for my clients. Plus, every tool you need to edit is quickly accessible. No diving in menus. It’s all there on the side. Anyways I can keep going. I use both PS and LR together everyday to make a living. I hope this helps!

[@Chev1220]

@@chrissetter thank you! I can see the argument for the exporting and culling. After a shoot I usually sort and move my files thru Bridge and from there send to CameraRaw, apply my edits and then open straight into photoshop if needed. That’s always worked pretty quickly for me. When I used to use Lightroom, it felt like a more cluttered bridge. Clearly I’m missing something since so many lean so much into Lightroom. Do you feel like Lightroom is better for organizing and culling than bridge?

[@chrissetter]

@@Chev1220 Bridge's main benefits (in my opinion) are the ability to cull/organize/rename prior to importing your photos from the memory card and the UI may be run faster because it's less cluttered. Otherwise, Lightroom can perform anything that Bridge does. And you'd be correct, LR is a more cluttered Bridge, but with emphasis on batch editing. The biggest con to Bridge is to perform any edits, you have to manually open the camera raw menu. I'm not aware of any copy/paste/sync edits in Bridge. Plus, you can't quickly go from one edit to the next. Bridge makes sense to use if you don't have dozens-1000s of photos to edit. I don't use Bridge, but I SHOULD to save hard drive space since you can cull prior to importing photos. I'm glad you brought it up because I completely forgot about that program! I'll give it a try again. EDIT: I don't have much experience with Bridge so take my opinion with a huge grain of salt ;) It seems like a great alternative to LR.

[@Chev1220]

@@chrissetter Thanks. I'm going to try lightroom again and see if it catches on. And you're right, Bridge does not have any copy/paste/sync edits, but Camera raw does. I usually select the photos from a shoot, open in camera raw and after editing one I can copy that edit across all the photos I selected and then go thru them individually if i want to change anything.

[@lplazaj]

LRC is great for batch processing that doesn’t require a visit into PS. It’s automatically non-destructive and doesn’t create a memory burden. The downside is you must have a dedicated destination (example: active cloud or external drive) for the catalog. If those two ever get disconnected LRC won’t be able to work on the files. Unless you create Smart Previews.

[@larrymulmed2081]

I don't like to be a negative voice, but my old eyes and ears can't keep up with your rapid fire approach. If you could slow down and explain each step more clearly it would help those of us that are struggling to hang with you.

[@dushicuracaodiving1697]

You can also playback the video at .75 speed.

[@MrIowahawks77]

Let’s just keep adding 100 More steps. Dumb

[@shang-hsienyang1284]

Why not just avoid Lightroom altogether

[@photoshopcafe]

Because its a great application.

[@eemianlee]

I have a hard time listening to you as you tend to trails off very softly in your sentences. Please maintain high volume throughout. Thanks.

[@photoshopcafe]

I’m trying, but it’s not easy. In the meantime, you can turn on captions. I upload them with every video. You can also go to PhotoshopCAFE.com where I upload the written instructions for my tutorials. I hope this helps