Best GMT for Your Buck - $1500 vs $3000 vs $4500

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@Mr.J_81
@Mr.J_81 Ай бұрын
Spirit Zulu 39 still my heart
@bodrulm1
@bodrulm1 Ай бұрын
Still can't work out why this watch is so popular on KZbin. It looks like any old pilot style watch. Some what boring and unexciting, but conservative. What am I missing?
@HavokRm
@HavokRm Ай бұрын
@@bodrulm1 have u seen it in person? sht looks amazing, i like the titanium one with black bezels
@Mr.J_81
@Mr.J_81 Ай бұрын
@@bodrulm1 if you like light watches, try Zulu 39 in tytan. If not try steel one.
@oo7kamikaze
@oo7kamikaze Ай бұрын
​@@HavokRm Agreed. I tried on the BB58 GMT and for some reason was not blown away. First one the AD had received. Was thinking I'd walk out the door with it but it just didn't speak to me. Prefer the Zulu time as well.
@fabulousfab_ffm
@fabulousfab_ffm Ай бұрын
I find my Grand Seiko SBGN005 to be the absolute perfect travel GMT with its 39 mm case, always on high-quality Quartz movement and excellent Zaratsu polishing. Thank you Tim, great overview!
@lowhangingvegetable
@lowhangingvegetable Ай бұрын
The zulu is perfect
@jorgsofi
@jorgsofi Ай бұрын
When it comes to what you get for the money, the Seiko can’t be beat. It matters little to me that it’s a “caller” GMT. If I travel across timezones, I rely on my cellphone to know what time it is back home anyway. I stopped using watches as tools many years ago.
@JDizzledum
@JDizzledum Ай бұрын
I got the Longines in black, my favourite part about it is the quick change between bracelet and the various leather straps they offer. To be able to change straps in under a minute is a great feature. Only dislike is the lume makes the hands and numerals off white instead of pure white but that's true for most watches with lume.
@Vess_Iossifov
@Vess_Iossifov Ай бұрын
congrats on your watch. I think the black zulu 39mm is the best. It has a black dial and bezel, silver numerals and hands, light green lume and blue gmt hand tip and 'zulu time' text. Therefore it can go with any color of strap - black, brown, blue, green. There is something else. The black zulu is the most cohesive. It has white data on black background which matches the dial and then all the other numerals on the dial are light green. On the bezel you have a light green triangle with all numerals white, which is like a negative image of the numerals on the dial. Therefore, despite the fact that the green bezel zulu is very charming, the black one is better. Now, the titanium zulu is something else - I find it a masterpiece!
@MinuteMon
@MinuteMon Ай бұрын
I went for the Longines SZT 39mm Titanium 😎
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
That one sizzles 🔥🔥
@rajon1189
@rajon1189 Ай бұрын
Just ordered that exact watch last week. Can't wait to see it in person!! Had a hard time deciding between that, the Tudor BB 58 GMT in root beer combo and two other watches. Hoping I made the right choice/
@angus004004
@angus004004 Ай бұрын
same bro, at first I go boutique to try normal SPIRIT ZULU TIME , it looks great but when the staff brings me Titanium version is just stunning , the case materials really got different vibe.
@KhazarAlizade
@KhazarAlizade Ай бұрын
Pleasure. Smooth and standing out, all your videos. Thank you.
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
I appreciate that! 😊
@dalotheman1
@dalotheman1 21 күн бұрын
I just got my first GMT, a Jack Mason Dr. Pepper that blew me away and is an amazing quality time piece and a great value under that $1500 price level. It’s got great dimensions at 40 by 13.2, super clean Jubilee style bracelet with huge style, screw links, and easy micro-adjust, unique color and design, and iconic Texas brand heritage at a hard to believe price point. Check it out!
@LarrySealeArcheryCoach
@LarrySealeArcheryCoach 11 күн бұрын
totally agree! Version 2.0 for me.
@wngimageanddesign9546
@wngimageanddesign9546 Ай бұрын
I still have the original version of the Seiko Navigator Timer. It was my father's watch. I wore it as a kid in the 70's and beat the piss out of it, needing to be fixed by Seiko servicing center in midtown Manhattan. They used to be on 57th St. in the Westside. It was a lot of fun to visit there as a kid and my watch obsession was sealed. I don't wear it anymore, but pulled it out recently and it still runs and keeps excellent time. This new release is very true to the original's styling, except for the bracelet, which was a Jubilee on the original.
@typebflieger
@typebflieger Ай бұрын
Definitely the Seiko. I have the OG version of this from the late 60’s on the original bracelet. It’s one of my favorite watches in my collection, and the reissue definitely does it justice.
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
No way! It's a spitting image
@typebflieger
@typebflieger Ай бұрын
@@WatchCrunchOfficialI agree, it’s incredibly faithful to the original. If I didn’t have the vintage version, I’d get the amazing reissue.
@wmdouglas3
@wmdouglas3 Ай бұрын
Longines Spirit Zulu 42mm with blue dial. Love it!! I got mine after my Rolex AD had no watches to sell me.
@TheAussiePencil
@TheAussiePencil Ай бұрын
I just took delivery of the Henry Archer Verden GMT about a week ago. I'm chuffed, it's a beautiful watch and the fit and finish is sublime. Then knowing its price point - mind=blown. Ripper value
@watchchat
@watchchat Ай бұрын
From this list, Zulu. Recently I purchased the Traska Venturer for $720 USD - a great deal IMO…build quality has surpassed my expectations for the price point.
@luvwatchesusa8333
@luvwatchesusa8333 Ай бұрын
Thanks Max, I enjoyed your video presentation.
@mitchmatic8029
@mitchmatic8029 Ай бұрын
Great vid. Congrats on the collab with Nodus. Can’t wait to see it! Have the Seiko 5 “explorer” gmt and love it. But I also have the Longines Zulu Time x Hodinkee Ti. It’s my daily driver. And I love it for the same reasins you love your Seiko, it’s rugged-and as good looking as an Explorer or BB Pro. Also have the Zulu Time like yours in 42, and love it on the leather deployent. You missed one, I also have the Longines Conquest GMT, in olive. Love that one too! And now we have the Zulus in Ti . . .
@scotts2027
@scotts2027 Ай бұрын
My everyday watch is a Ball Trainmaster GMT GM1038-S10J-BE. Titanium case and bracelet, textured blue dial with tritium markers. 38 mm x 11.5 mm MSRP was $2k, picked up new grey market for less than $800
@thatguy6111
@thatguy6111 Ай бұрын
The CW Sealander GMT is an amazing piece for the money with several color ways to fit most tastes. Love mine and it’s so charming on wrist.
@pauljayvlogs489
@pauljayvlogs489 Ай бұрын
I really like that longines. Really fan of that green since i had seen it on so many jeep grand cherokees in the 90’s as a kid.
@BlackWipeout
@BlackWipeout Ай бұрын
Mido Ocean Star GMT… what else? Now with your selection… Longines 😊
@balthus9265
@balthus9265 Ай бұрын
I’ve got the Longines 39” GMT, blue and love it. Perfect proportions and accurate to COSC specs, tried and proven.
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
Great choice!
@ozzy1154
@ozzy1154 Ай бұрын
I’m usually not a Seiko guy but that Seiko is too good. I love how compact it is.
@tonypham98
@tonypham98 Ай бұрын
Respect with the Seiko - true watch fan and it’s great to see!
@patrickhartmann1540
@patrickhartmann1540 Ай бұрын
I’ve owned the Spirit and it is excellent. The Zulu time, as you’ve said, is a bit busy for me with so many numerals. Still, much respect to what it offers
@jmb823
@jmb823 Ай бұрын
I have the same Longines. Highly recommend it.
@PaulGreen-rz4gg
@PaulGreen-rz4gg Ай бұрын
I bought a Seiko SPBK003 Solar GMT as my first "serious" watch. I have had my eye on the Longines Spirit in the green for some time, will likely be the first automatic in my collection.
@probie2460
@probie2460 Ай бұрын
For the money I love the Seiko but man that Tudor dial is stunning. What a leap in quality. Btw I sent you a message on the app. Thanks for a great video.
@aneeshwagle8892
@aneeshwagle8892 Ай бұрын
An intresting alternative to the seiko would be the bulova ocenagrapher gmt. Its got a true gmt movement ( a miyota 9075 from the parent Citizen company ). Its a bit bigger at 41mm, but it wears a a lot smaller because of the 45 mm lug to lug. And its ultimate party trick is a fully lumed dial. Got one for under a 1000$ and it slaps hard lol
@whodeycinbengals
@whodeycinbengals 15 күн бұрын
I like the Seiko the most of the 3, as well. I’ve always been a huge Seiko guy, and more importantly, I’m in love with grey dials and vintage reissued watches. As far as the Tudor. I have a BB58 blue, and I love it so much, but with this GMT, I’m definitely in the same camp with those folks that don’t like all of the gilt. I actually think a Batman with a white dial would’ve been the correct choice for the first BB58 GMT. Finally, the Longines is clearly made to a very high standard, and is priced well for what you get. But while I do find the Zulu appealing to the eyes, it is a watch that I could see myself not wearing as often as the Seiko or even the Tudor. I think the Hodinkee Zulu is more my style than the standard Zulus.
@christianmichallek2419
@christianmichallek2419 Ай бұрын
The Longines does look really good, but after trying it on I was pretty disappointed by the bracelet. It was really slim and light, which made the watch feel very top-heavy.
@scollyutube
@scollyutube Ай бұрын
Pelegos GMT 39mm is the sweet spot....titanium. Or a titanium Hydro Conquest GMT. Ultimate holiday watches.
@K.J.H_
@K.J.H_ Ай бұрын
There's not a lot of love by the big brands for a midsized titanium diver. Pretty much just the pelagos 39, and you're screwed if you want the date. They mostly use Ti as an excuse to make a giant watch a little less bulky. New Zulu time is cool from longines though recently.
@scollyutube
@scollyutube Ай бұрын
@K.J.H_ completely agree. I'd def be keen on the 39mm Titanium Zulu time, but put off by the male end links and no micro adjust. I do like the change in look from all my divers too though.
@K.J.H_
@K.J.H_ Ай бұрын
@@scollyutube For sure, on-the-fly adjust is a prerequisite for me at that price these days. Im on the hunt for a Ti diver as a daily. Comfort is a top priority now.
@scottgordon6740
@scottgordon6740 Ай бұрын
I love full numeral dials. The Zulu Time is one of the few GMT's of any kind out there with numerals on the dial. Throw in a traveler's movement and the winner for me is the Longines!
@singflorent
@singflorent Ай бұрын
Nice will get a 58 gmt once price drop a bit more in the 2nd market , that the perfect gmt ;)
@finesse49
@finesse49 Ай бұрын
I'm happy with the 36mm Ronda quartz-powered, GS lookalike GMT I got from Ali. I dislike dive-style GMTs and there's little choice in smaller bezelless models. I got a lot for my US $69, too; good finishing, beautiful dial and a nice bracelet.
@richardtomlinson2063
@richardtomlinson2063 Ай бұрын
I prefer the hydroconquest GMT. Even more tool-ier with the divers bezel and the ultimate GADA watch.
@jerryglasses2229
@jerryglasses2229 Ай бұрын
So many people shit on Seiko's prices but they are comparing them to Chinese knockoffs and questionable micros. Compared to Swiss they are a bargain. Ive been collecting for about 7 years and there are three brands I keep coming back to, Seiko, Longines and Omega.
@kaades_
@kaades_ Ай бұрын
Nope, they compare seiko to itself, theres been a great increase in price across the board, look at the re-release seiko did of the old seiko5 watches, theres a 2 times markup there Seiko is still good value but its far from the bargain its been in the past
@canadianwatchmonkey3992
@canadianwatchmonkey3992 Ай бұрын
The BB58 GMT is to bling bling, thats why I went with the more chunky tooly BB pro. 😊
@davidb9531
@davidb9531 Ай бұрын
Just ordered the Nodus Raven Trailtrekker as my gada GMT, looking forward to receiving
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
That's a good one 👀
@diefenbachfravert
@diefenbachfravert Ай бұрын
When people are saying MAMACOO is a better option for buying a watch,I very much agree!
@snaan78
@snaan78 Ай бұрын
Every watch has its own features and beauty, but I personally do not think about buying any of them because I own explorer 2 - 16570
@pieterhofland821
@pieterhofland821 Ай бұрын
It is probably too much for a Seiko of this caliber. But I have this watch (SPB411) and despite the price - I love it! 😮
@Ian_CognitoOnIG
@Ian_CognitoOnIG Ай бұрын
Max, we seem to have very similar tastes! I have the SPB411, Zulu Time (but in blue), and the BB Pro (I likes em thicc). Oh and the Broad Arrow '57 as well!
@sunrisejak2709
@sunrisejak2709 Ай бұрын
Grand Seiko SBGN 021 a high accuracy quartz. It's my daily.
@johnbecker1996
@johnbecker1996 Ай бұрын
You shouldn't skip over the many watches that use the Miyota 9075 true GMT movement. I was one of the people who went for a Seiko SSK when they came out, but the "office" GMT movement just didn't give me the fizz. I'd had an eye on the Longines for a while, but it's out of my realistic price range. Then I found the Zelos Mako 300M GMT with the Miyota movement. Just over $600 at release, so I jumped on it. Micros with the Miyota movement are all over the place, offering plenty of choice for those who won't be happy with the office GMT movements, at prices well below $1,000.
@timb8095
@timb8095 Ай бұрын
I have the Zulu in 42mm and really enjoy wearing it. I have a Seiko Speedtimer and SKX009 for those days which might be a bit more rough and tumble
@LectioDivina33
@LectioDivina33 Ай бұрын
Longines Spirit Zulu Time GMT 42mm on my wrist!
@kennethvice5614
@kennethvice5614 Ай бұрын
While nowhere near the build quality of the Tudor, I'll still take my Lorier Hyperion GMT (true GMT version) for $700.
@notDonaldFagen
@notDonaldFagen Ай бұрын
Does that run the Miyota?
@kennethvice5614
@kennethvice5614 Ай бұрын
​@@notDonaldFagenYes, Miyota 9075
@marcgirard7551
@marcgirard7551 Ай бұрын
The BB58 GMT was so close to being perfect. It just needed the bezel to not be guilt numerals... and maybe a brighter red. I could never take it over the Grand Seiko SBGM221 at a similar price.
@nikolaikrustev1159
@nikolaikrustev1159 Ай бұрын
A GMT watch is not high on my collection priorities list so I'd consider something different - for just a little over the Seiko's price Farer offers World timers with a modified Sellita SW 330 (top grade at that), great looks, lume and WR. The perfect choice for the 'Desk Globetrotter' in my opinion.
@mgamegatun
@mgamegatun Ай бұрын
SBGM221 is definitely top of the line in terms of 39mm GMTs
@babybeluga2
@babybeluga2 Ай бұрын
Waiting on the polar BB58
@tschoy9388
@tschoy9388 Ай бұрын
Longines Zulu 42 mm Green/Black is on my wrist. Ha ha. I owned the Seiko SSK003 so I don't need another Seiko GMT. I agreed Tudor BB58 GMT is nearly perfect and it is under my radar. But it is hot in all around the world and shortage in stock in Hong Kong. Means you have to wait for a time.
@SativaHippieThoughts
@SativaHippieThoughts Ай бұрын
I was in the pool !!!!!! 😂😂😂 great episode, poor Gorge
@MattZaremba-h6r
@MattZaremba-h6r Ай бұрын
The Seinfeld reference was just immaculate
@clintonshiells3095
@clintonshiells3095 Ай бұрын
I would personally go for a GS 9F GMT over these, and in fact did go for this. Of these, I’d be more interested in the Seiko if it were upgraded to an SLA. All three watches shown are very nice of course, just my preference.
@AliasHSW
@AliasHSW Ай бұрын
Love the BB family but in this comparison my choice aesthetically: L > T > S.
@AdAce21
@AdAce21 Ай бұрын
The NaviTimer Reissue is absolutely fantastic. Shame Tudor won't move away from the snowflake hour hand (or provide an alternate option). It uglifies an otherwise gorgeous watch, and by far the nicest of the three.
@horologistmorrow6080
@horologistmorrow6080 Ай бұрын
I've always thought the snowflake hands were beautiful. If I had all three watches I would always gravitate to the Tudor.
@jameswilkes3186
@jameswilkes3186 Ай бұрын
I have a Tudor BB Pro, great daily wearer.
@Crispvy
@Crispvy Ай бұрын
I was able to get a used zulu time for $1500. So best of 2 worlds and currently on a zero pass strap.
@michaelday3589
@michaelday3589 Ай бұрын
The one to rule them all... Zulu Titanium. Feels like wearing a 5 digit rollie.
@flamabl1
@flamabl1 Ай бұрын
Great job!
@JuanOrtiz-tt8lv
@JuanOrtiz-tt8lv Ай бұрын
You asked: “is there another 39 mm GMT” have you looked at the Lorier Hyperion with a true GMT Seiko movement? It is gorgeous
@azadr9231
@azadr9231 Ай бұрын
All 3 are great. If it were my money I would buy the Tudor.
@K.J.H_
@K.J.H_ Ай бұрын
As beautiful as the other two watches are, I was thinking as the video played that the Seiko looks outstanding on you.
@Vox-Populi
@Vox-Populi 20 күн бұрын
If you can't afford these, take a look at the Wise Adamascus GMT. $670, Miyota 9075, 904 steel.
@trdartz
@trdartz Ай бұрын
I think I would consider a Traska venturer GMT
@ralphdajao8547
@ralphdajao8547 Ай бұрын
I'll take tudor. But it really depends on what clothes you're gonna wear.
@pacman1701
@pacman1701 Ай бұрын
5:54 The date asymetric date window boggles my mind. A no go for me
@timyoungnc
@timyoungnc Ай бұрын
I wish more GMT's offered the red and blue bezel. The new Tudor is on my list.
@bertholdbach4959
@bertholdbach4959 Ай бұрын
I miss the Citizen Series 8 GMT. A true GMT for even less than the Seiko.
@tschoy9388
@tschoy9388 Ай бұрын
They are still available in Hong Kong.
@shj2000
@shj2000 Ай бұрын
Of the three, the Seiko is the best looking. IMO
@Umslopogas666
@Umslopogas666 Ай бұрын
I hope next year they’ll release the 58 GMT in another color scheme - Batman would be a dream come true…
@LudokuTarantowicz
@LudokuTarantowicz Ай бұрын
Watches are so delicate and intricately designed, so I have intense respect and admiration for AMZWATCH watch makers
@zosothezephead837
@zosothezephead837 Ай бұрын
Boy, those five stars are a dealbreaker for me.
@jamesbrown3239
@jamesbrown3239 Ай бұрын
Love that Longines, I just wish that the bezel had a matte ceramic finish rather than the glossy. The gloss finish just looks cheap (it’s a complaint I have with Rolex as well).
@Vess_Iossifov
@Vess_Iossifov Ай бұрын
the new titanium has a matt finish bezel on its lower half
@wisamal-hakim5531
@wisamal-hakim5531 Ай бұрын
Seiko is sweet Longines is lovely Tudor is top, great watch
@tatanleanduck
@tatanleanduck Ай бұрын
You have to fix your app, brother. Very often when making a post the app will just stop receiving inputs, making it impossible to type. I closed and relaunched the app five times to make one post! Cmon, man! Crack the whip on those app devs!
@uncles2000
@uncles2000 Ай бұрын
Longines….but you forgot the Grand Seiko SBGM221.
@darrylyee409
@darrylyee409 Ай бұрын
I came here to say the exact same thing, especially for the same price as the Tudor.
@notDonaldFagen
@notDonaldFagen Ай бұрын
I have a mental block when it comes to GS, in that it has to be Spring Drive and have a crazy dial.
@latinballa88
@latinballa88 Ай бұрын
To everyone saying the Zulu is the obvious choice. Do yourself a favor and try on the Seiko. I know that the price is a little bit offputting for the specs, but you’ve really got to see it in the metal to fully understand.
@santalexandros
@santalexandros Ай бұрын
Can you make some videos showing your Pagani Design collection? Thanks in advance!
@theenavybluemonster
@theenavybluemonster Ай бұрын
I’d pick the Seiko out of these 3. If Tudor got rid of the gilt/fauxtina and added the 5 link bracelet, then I’d get one.
@jeanlefranc3817
@jeanlefranc3817 Ай бұрын
Given I only wear a GMT watch when I’m traveling to a different time zone, which is not every week, my Grand Seiko SBGN003 is the perfect answer with its High Accuracy Quartz, guaranteeing perfect time keeping 365 days per annum (or a least six months, as we have winter and summer time here in Europe) But if I were to purchase an automatic GMT, Longines gets my money with the Zulu.
@RatajStrozynska
@RatajStrozynska Ай бұрын
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of MAMACOO 's watch 99% of people will never see.
@m1907_
@m1907_ Ай бұрын
BB58GMT is a great watch.
@anfusolunnie
@anfusolunnie Ай бұрын
I have to say that MAMACOO 's watches are amazing!
@brucesuitt993
@brucesuitt993 Ай бұрын
I love the looks of the Seiko, but for the love of god, why can’t they spend a little extra time to regulate their movements! Even my ‘62 MAS with the Grand Seiko movement isn’t regulated and runs at +\- 15 secs a day. When micro-brands and Tissot and Hamilton can do this, there is simply no excuse.
@kims2r
@kims2r Ай бұрын
The stated accuracy is very modest, even their more affordable movements are more accurate than that
@bodrulm1
@bodrulm1 Ай бұрын
Seikos need to overhaul their naming convention. Model SPB113 is hardly memorable
@thekrazycow
@thekrazycow Ай бұрын
Could you recommend a GMT with no bezels? thanks
@jjDemir
@jjDemir Ай бұрын
I’m going Seiko!
@genes8871
@genes8871 Ай бұрын
Definitely Tudor!
@kevind6006
@kevind6006 Ай бұрын
What's the rationale for chosing Aluminium as bezel material on the BB? It's a notoriously light but scratch sensitive material, because it's butter soft compared to a steel, let alone a ceramic bezel like on the Longines. Thanks for the insights already!
@viva360
@viva360 Ай бұрын
somehow i had a hunch you would go with the Seiko at the end 🤣
@aceaspillaga
@aceaspillaga Ай бұрын
The cream Presage Cocktail GMT have GS feels
@thegorn
@thegorn Ай бұрын
The Phoibos Wave Master GMT is a sweet 39mm piece. No short-D GMT hand there, and a convenient caller GMT, whixh I prefer to traveller. I avoid traveller GMT like the plague - no quick-set date murders me.
@mdbowman78
@mdbowman78 Ай бұрын
Love the Seinfeld reference, nice content!
@WatchCrunchOfficial
@WatchCrunchOfficial Ай бұрын
Classic 👌
@smoove314
@smoove314 Ай бұрын
Praying they update the BB pro with a thinner case after the release of BB 58 gmt.
@johnyu88
@johnyu88 Ай бұрын
Traska Venturer GMT - $720 and is more compelling than the Seiko imo
@alphacause
@alphacause Ай бұрын
In this case, as with so many others head to head comparisons between Longines and Tudor, Longines puts so much thought into the design and achieves a certain level of refinement that it doesn't make sense, at least for me, to go up to the Tudor level price point. While there are quality differences between the two brands, they are not significant enough for me to spend the extra two to four thousand dollars to choose the Tudor over the less expensive Longines equivalent. In this specific case, the Longines raised Arabic numerals looks far more classy and premium than the simple circular and rectangular indices on the Tudor. The height of the Arabic numerals, along with the way it contrast with the dial, makes the Longines' dial appear to have more depth than the Tudor. In this instance I would prefer the Longines, and in many other head to head comparisons between Tudor and Longines, when it comes to value for money, I would choose the Longines.
@JasonAuerback
@JasonAuerback Ай бұрын
40.5mm Mido Oceanstar GMT is better value than all these, and not too precious to actually travel with. So I have that and a 37mm Spirit and a BB58 to cover my bases 😉
@dannyg6592
@dannyg6592 Ай бұрын
3 very nice 39mm GMTs, especially the Tudor. However, a compelling argument can also be made for saving a great deal of $$ with a Lorier Hyperion, a 39mm true GMT with classic Pepsi style for $599. I tried it on at a local watch show and it is quite nice, giving off pleasing vintage 1675 vibes - feels like a NOS vintage watch.
@user-iz9co4qf6z
@user-iz9co4qf6z Ай бұрын
Seiko has the best design by far
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