Finding Dutch 🇳🇱 Speakers in Brazil's 🇧🇷 Dutch Colony | Holambra

[@gilbertzan]

Really got impressed by the good natured Brazilians doing the very best they can trying o make the other fella feeling as welcome in that place.

[@LewisWirth]

Yeah that's one of the things that are so amazing about Brazil. Very grateful

[@LewisWirth]

@@lisandrasilva3084 Yes the nature is very diverse but we were actually using an expression. Meaning in the nature of the Brazilians, like in their essence they have good intentions. Or well at least most of them and the ones we were talking about from the video.

[@lisandrasilva3084]

@@LewisWirth oh ok.

[@LewisWirth]

@@lisandrasilva3084 No worries, thanks for your comment I'm just trying to help with your English, And thanks for watching my video

[@lisandrasilva3084]

@@LewisWirth Thanks for explaining.

[@TeuPreem]

I like the effort that the brazilian guy put into trying to talk in a way that would make sense to an english speaker

[@LewisWirth]

True and also the people driving me a round

[@RibeiroMariane]

I'm Brazilian and I also appreciate what the guy did. It's great to see fellow Brazilians doing their best to communicate, it doesn't matter if they're fluent/have a strong accent or not. I'm sure this guy felt amazing afterwards, and will communicate even better with the next English speaking visitors :)

[@marcoscabrinirianidosreis6655]

In the northeast of Brazil there was a Dutch colony back in the 1630 to 1654, cities like Recife, João Pessoa, Natal, and São Luís where part of the Dutch territory before the Portuguese got I back. In modern time you can find Dutch decendents in the following states Espírito Santo, Paraná, Rio Grande do Sul, Pernambuco, and São Paulo, however the Dutch language was lost with all this time

[@Melveyt]

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[@LewisWirth]

Yeah many people told me about that but with the language being lost and the additional cost of a flight all the way there. I made the decision not to visit. I've been trying to combine as many things as possible close together in this trip as that makes it more affordable as I have a small budget. Hope to still visit there as well some day

[@caxiasinvicto]

Esse pessoal estrangeiro no Brasil pode ser uma divisão de agentes de psyops, mapeando o campo pra futuramente financiar revoluções separatistas a fim de barrar o desenvolvimento do Brasil e nos manter como colônia de exploração pra prosperidade da Europa em detrimento da nossa.

[@carlosmendes6361]

Dutch heritage in brazilian Northeast is understimate. There’s a lot of visible evidencies, in food, city planning and even family names and genetics

[@LewisWirth]

@@carlosmendes6361 Alright, Idk man. Maybe more then I'd personally imagine

[@FredericoGuilherme-w7g]

1:54 That's my wife! My father is from South of Brazil, his family came to Brazil from Germany in the 1850's. He was born in 1942 and until 7 years old he and his family only spoke German. He had to learn Portuguese when he went to school.

[@LewisWirth]

Oh Deam hahaha did she like the video? Did she understand much?

[@FredericoGuilherme-w7g]

@@LewisWirth I explained to her. My Last name got you confused. People here in Holambra thinks that I am Dutch descendant.

[@BringTOBIWANback]

Went to Holambra many times. Now I live in the Netherlands

[@LewisWirth]

Oh nice, so you also speak some Dutch? Or are you just living there temporarily?

[@BringTOBIWANback]

@LewisWirth 4 years now. Yes, I speak some dutch, but it is really hard... mostly because everybody speaks english.🤣 When someone hears my G or my UI, they immediately switch to English.🤣

[@Hour882Die]

@@LewisWirth I think most of those Dutch families are the business owners, not the regular people. They are like the colonizer of those areas and those little towns were built based in the jobs opportunities created by their business. Most of those families probably have strong connection with their original countries and send their kids to study in Europe.

[@FWnatanzin]

​@@Hour882Die exatamente. exactly.

[@et1161]

HOLAMBRA=HOLLAND+AMERICA+ BRASIL.😊

[@kellypaulino369]

Sim 😁.

[@glxyzera7532]

its more like Holam (from Holanda, which is how we call holland and colloquially the netherlands) and Brasil.

[@marcellaabreu]

​​​​@@glxyzera7532yeah the M between it's a rule in brazilian portuguese grammar before P and B we use M to do the nasal sound and before other consonants we use N. Because M P and B are bilabial, we need to put our lips together to form the sound, so they work together when we need to produce the sounds thinking about phonetics.

[@marchauchler1622]

I am a from the German-Dutch border region and speak Dutch as a second language so please correct me if I am wrong but the speaker "Mr Rigman" sounds like he speaks an impecable version of Dutch. For how long has the language survived in the region or put in other words when did the first colonists arrive ( with maybe another version of Dutch or dialect)?

[@LewisWirth]

He definitely spoke with an accent but an accent local to the Netherlands, I would say a more rural accent but not from the very north or the very south so probably not too far from where you live. Though people in some provinces have even stronger accents but just to give a general sense of how it sounded to me. But I'm not amazing at guessing Dutch accents

[@alexandrejosedacostaneto381]

Holambra was founded by Dutch immigrants in 1948, so it is quite possible that a few of the original founders are still alive. It is different from most German and Italian colonies in Brazil because they were founded in the mid 19th century, thus basically everyone of German or Italian ancestry here are 5th or 6th generations in Brazil.

[@marcoz9497]

@@alexandrejosedacostaneto381 Your info about German immigration is partially right, some arrived in the middle of 19th century, but they kept coming until the 1910's in huge numbers, and in smaller numbers all along the 20th century up to the 60's. What you said about Italians though is not really right, the huge Italian immigration was from 1870's to the 1920's, it was the largest Italian diaspora in the World (larger than the one to USA). They came from all Italian regions, specially from the Veneto, but also expressive numbers of immigrants came from Calabria, Emilia Romagna and Lazio. Italians kept immigrating to Brazil in significant numbers until the 1960's, actually the second big wave was just after the Second World War. Most Italians here are in the fourth generation, my case, both my parents are grandchildren of Veneto that immigrate in the 1880's. But I know people with a full or partial Italian background that are in the second generation, from those post-war immigrants.

[@amandaguenascimento]

​@@alexandrejosedacostaneto381I have cousins in Holambra whose mom spoke dutch and was a second generation. However, it's not easy to find people who really speak dutch.

[@digitandoshshua]

​@@alexandrejosedacostaneto381 oh.. really? I did not know it was só recent. Obrigado pelo comentário.

[@kwaaikat100]

Very cool! Also impressed that he still seemed to speak the language well. I could understand the guy perfectly well, as an Afrikaans speaker. I’ve certainly heard Dutch speakers of deep dialects that were harder to understand! I watched the video about Boers in Argentina, and Germans in Brazil and really enjoyed watching those too.

[@LewisWirth]

Thanks! And yea he has a bit of an accent but I wouldn't say that strong and it's a rural Dutch accent, he sounds very native to me

[@leandrobarros2966]

Saudações do Brasil😊❤

[@LambertTech09]

There's also a city in the countryside state of Parana that is of dutch colonization. It's called Carambeí. You should see the city park and stop by Frederika's for a sweet treat.

[@LewisWirth]

I went there actually, but I have do much to edit before that 😂

[@LambertTech09]

@@LewisWirth okay 😃

[@JOAOLUIZDEMORAES-m1b]

Castro no Paraná/ colonização holandesa também.

[@JOAOLUIZDEMORAES-m1b]

Castro no Paraná, colonização holandesa também.

[@Nogoodalvarez]

Dutch Brazilians are 1,000,000.% of country is 0.5%.Dutch Brazilians are in Regions with significant populations Predominantly Northeast Region, South Region and Southeast Region of Brazil.

[@raar962]

A few decades ago, many people, especially from the south, were prohibited from speaking their country's native language. Some people, despite the ban on speaking, resisted the danger of policing at the time. We still have the Talian language from Italy and Hunsrückisch from Germany. My grandmother spoke Italian when she was a teenager

[@LewisWirth]

Yeah I’ve heard about that. Though it was mainly the languages of the axis powers Dutch was very small in Brazil anyway

[@FWnatanzin]

in south america there could be a europe 2..

[@pedroassis89]

​@@FWnatanzinNah, South America is South America, we are descendants of the Iberians with the indigenous people and slaves, we have our own civilizing ethos, the USA and Europe will always be there to sabotage us

[@pedroassis89]

É porque esses emigrantes nem ao menos estavam engajados no projeto nacional, a chance deles trairem o Brasil era alarmante. Basta ler qualquer obra sociologia referente ao período para concluir que o governo da primeira república e segunda república não haviam feito nada para tornar esses emigrantes cidadões do país.

[@joalexsg9741]

Indeed but I just would like to point out that Talian is a beautiful hybrid language which was actually born here in Brazil! It's a unique and precious hybrid of many Italian regional languages. When these speakers came here, Italy was not yet unified. I don't know if there's any other similar case of Italian regional languages mixing into a new language in any other diaspora but whatever the case is, Talian is historically and linguistically precious.

[@hugoborghifilho8702]

Holambra is worldwide famous for it's flowers and you didn't show or even mentioned it...!!! How come? Holambra has the second most important flower stock exchange and export tons of flowers every day to all around the world. Visiting Holambra and not seeing it's wonderful flower farms is unacceptable !!!

[@LewisWirth]

Hahahaha I Know I know I know I must say I grew up surrounded by them my entire life and have greatly lost interest in them especially tulips having worked with those when I was young. Tulips more then other flowers. Everyone from Brazil from whom I heard visited Holambra went there more for the flowers then the Dutch culture.

[@carlosmendes6361]

A few years ago we spent a wonderful afternoon at the Holambra museum. Those responsible for the place talked a lot about the colony and what it was like to make a new life in the interior of São Paulo. We left 2 hours after the museum closed. A wonderful time with very friendly people (P.S.: that dutch kitchen oven in the museum is from another world)

[@byoobyoo1280]

Nunca fui a Holambra, mas moro perto (Campinas). Dizem que é uma cidade bem turistica, bem conhecida por moradores do estado, famosa pelos festivais relembrando a origem holandesa da cidade e principalmente pela Exploflora o maior evento de floricultura do Brasil e provavelmente da America Latina.

[@welitonsilva-s5p]

Wow amazing wonderful.

[@LewisWirth]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@missv8562]

I'm from Campinas. It's a shame Holambra is losing its Dutch charm. But you should come at festival time. There are several Dutch attractions and it is very beautiful.

[@marchauchler1622]

Zeer indrukwekkend. Ik heb ook je andere video's gezien en kijk uit naar de volgende impressies. Groetjes uit Duitsland..

[@LewisWirth]

Heel erg bedankt, dan zie ik je vast snel weer verschijnen

[@adrianaanna4479]

Holambra? Aqui na região! É linda!

[@robertacmarques]

Haha, I used to live in a city close to Holambra. Now I live in Portugal. I bet people couldn’t stop looking at you!

[@LewisWirth]

In some cities it was very much like that but in other cities not at all. In some cities in the south I kind of fit in a little bit

[@rodrigoaguiar1400]

Did you visit the states that were colonized by the dutch during the 1600's? Fortaleza for example, got it's name because of the Forte Schoonenborch built by them.

[@LewisWirth]

Nope I haven't been there, many people told me about it though. I might come there another trip

[@marcusfenix4769]

Recife had bigger Dutch influence than Fortaleza because it was their headquarters. They had some influence on the architecture but not much else. After all, they didn't really come as settlers but "invaders", and the portuguese drove them off and regained control of the region pretty quickly(it lasted less than 30 years).

[@Andre.felipe84]

​@@marcusfenix4769That's True. The Dutch people didn't come as settlers in Northeast of Brazil, but as invaders for a short time.

[@marcusfenix4769]

@@Andre.felipe84 It's northeast. We don't have a northwest region in Brazil.

[@Andre.felipe84]

@@marcusfenix4769 Erro de digitação apenas.

[@Matthijs_Luuk]

Im learning the dutch language. My grandfather was dutch and im descent. My parents are from northeast from brazil, there were colonized by dutchs and there are many descendents of dutchs. I love dutch people and dutch culture. Be welcome in brazil im from rio de janeiro. ❤ im new to your channel god bless you

[@turvo314]

My parents are from Holambra and I was born in a dutch neighborhood in Cidade de São Paulo speaking dutch

[@LewisWirth]

There’s a Dutch neighborhood in the capital of São Paulo? Does anyone even speak Dutch there or does it look more like Liberdade with some themed shops and plastic decorations

[@turvo314]

@@LewisWirth These are neighborhoods where most people are descendants of Dutch, German and Swedish people; however, the only people who speak the language are usually elderly people. There are some houses with Germanic architecture but they are residential neighborhoods and not touristy. Neighborhoods such as Vila Mariana and Planalto Paulista

[@LewisWirth]

@@turvo314 ahh makes sense

[@lisandrasilva3084]

I love this city. ❤❤

[@gabrielpaiva896]

Sorry for some Brazilians commenting racism and xenophobia here, we are not like that, our culture is very diverse and everyone is welcome. Excellent video!!! God bless you

[@LewisWirth]

Thanks mate, keeping it positive

[@sergiofajardo6765]

In de staat Paraná, in de gemeenten Castro en Carambeí, vind je mensen die Nederlands spreken.

[@LewisWirth]

Ben ik ook geweest maar dat ligt onder op de plank, dus gedult eerst een video over Boere in Patagonië

[@marciogalante8886]

Hello Lewis, have you ever visited the Dutch colonies of Carambeí and Castroholanda in Paraná?

[@LewisWirth]

I have actually but I have many projects I still need to edit and that one has lower priority then a lot of other ones

[@sheilalopes5647]

Zo leuk om Hollanders te zien in Holambra 🤩 welkom

[@Stronghart]

Most of the cultures up São Paulo had been lost most of it heritage because of world wars, so people were prohibited to speak any languages out of Portuguese and English, meanwhile the colones that formed the South of Brazil, as the presence of Brazilians in these communities and almost none effort from government to absorb them as Brazilians that time, their cultures got preserved better than in the rest of the country, the Japanese culture suffered the most because their colonies were easy for government arms to reach.

[@LewisWirth]

Yeah, I don’t remember exactly how much I edited out talking about that with the Japanese in other videos but I know it’s very sad. And the ones that still speak it if any at all can never read or write in it because they didn’t lean it in school just from their family behind closed doors mostly I suppose

[@elizabethbruno9280]

Sou brasileira, e minha mãe é descendente de alemães e italianos.Minha avó foi alfabetizada em alemão,porém sua mãe alemã faleceu e ela é sua irmã foram viver na colônia ao lado de italianos e não falava português nem italiano! Teve que aprender italiano e depois português! Durante a II GG foi presa em prisão domiciliar pelo simples fato de ser filha de alemães e minha mãe de 5 anos junto ! Conclusão: minha avó falava português enrolado e meu avô descendente de italianos era bilíngue mas em casa só falava português! Tive uma amiga nissei (filha de imigrantes japoneses) que estudou japonês durante 4 anos na escola dos descendentes ! Até hoje eles estudam nas 2 escolas, brasileira e japonesa ! É uma colônia forte e bem sucedida e muitos descendentes vão fazer Universidade no Japão e voltam para o Brasil.Se casam ainda no templo por orientação do Mestre do templo e até hoje seguem as tradições! Aliás os descendentes dos alemães idem. Os italianos também têm uma colônia muito bem sucedida e também têm escola própria para os mais inteligentes e criativos em São Paulo ! Quase fui estudar nesta escola,mas não falava italiano ! Como até hoje!

[@LewisWirth]

@@elizabethbruno9280 To be literate in Japanese as a Brazilian can't be compared on the same playing field with German or Italian. I mean come on Japanese has 3 different writing systems completely removed from our roman characters and German and Italian have almost the exact same writing system those are very different situations

[@Nogoodalvarez]

Dutch Brazilians are 1,000,000.% of country is 0.5%.Dutch Brazilians are in Regions with significant populations Predominantly Northeast Region, South Region and Southeast Region of Brazil.

[@JonyRobsonLima]

Congratulations on the video, my friend. I subscribed and will keep following you.

[@LewisWirth]

Thanks mate I'm glad to hear you like it and want to see more as I'm busy working on more right now

[@GusBrunson]

Oh, the Dutch are truly amazing. Not only did they succeed in transplanting their signature houses and charming windmills to Brazil, but they even went the extra mile to import that classic, cloudy, gloomy Dutch weather too! Because who doesn’t love a good dutch gray sky in the tropics, right? LOL

[@LewisWirth]

I must say you're more right with the gray sky then the houses. The only houses I've seen are Brazilian, Brazilian with wooden decorative boards with drawings on them and houses where they kind of tried but that still look kind of like knockoff modern versions of Dutch houses. Though I have worked in construction surely not everyone gets that level of nuance i guess. It's just tourist stuff but still interesting and nice to have I'd say

[@paulovb7660]

Dutch people in São Paulo ... Holambra ... are Catholics ... the many Dutch people in the state of Paraná are Protestants ... ... Dutch lived in the Brazilian northeast for many years ... during the time of Nassau

[@LaercioPersonal]

Eu moro em uma cidade que se chama Artur Nogueira fica a 10 km de Holambra é a cidade vizinha mais próxima e eu trabalho em Holambra com plantas ornamentais de segunda a sexta, espero que tenha se divertindo no Brasil 😊

[@LewisWirth]

I had a great time and I’m glad you like sky video. I hope you like some of the other ones too

[@Stronghart]

Too sad he didnt speak only Dutch with his child, infant can learn multiple languages at same time and all of them would be interpreted as his natural language. My uncle is in USA and married with a Venezuelan, she only speak Spanish with her child and he speak only Portuguese, while he learn English at school, so my nephew at 9 years old can speak all 3 languages so well and can think all of them at same time (sometimes he might answer someone in another language then the one they're speaking, but its something he will fix out when he gets older). And I know cases of parents that made his childrens learn up to 8 different languages at same time.

[@LewisWirth]

He actually extensively talked a out difficulties with teaching the children the language and so on. One of his kids studies and lives in the Netherlands if I remember correctly and the grandkids generally just don’t speak it

[@noitecelestial]

Congratulations buddy! Keep up the good work 😉 New subscriber here.

[@LewisWirth]

Thank you very much and welcome

[@luccamm2]

I don't usually comment much on older videos, but since I saw that you've been following the most recent comments, I'll leave my personal story. I've loved watching your videos and getting to know many cities that I didn't even know existed. Although I live in São Paulo, I'm of Italian descent. With the exception of one of my great-grandfathers who was Spanish, all the others were Italian and your videos going around these cities looking for speakers of the Europeans language made me think about why my families didn't keep the language and I came to some conclusions that might interest you. Of all my different families, only my paternal grandmother and her sisters spoke Italian and the reason was very simple: We still have contact with their father's family, who still lives in Italy. They wanted to learn the language so they could communicate with their relatives, which didn't happen with my other families who were isolated here and completely lost contact with their relatives who stayed in Europe. I know that the Brazilian government has taken many measures to ban the Italian language here and things like that, but my family still maintains a very strong Italian culture, especially in terms of cooking. I usually eat a lot of typical Italian food that is not common here, and the recipes have been passed down through the generations, but the language, since it was useless, was barely preserved. I recently started the process of obtaining my Italian and Spanish citizenship and I had to map my family tree to be able to organize myself and find some documents. I ended up finding a distant cousin of mine from one of my great-grandmothers' family and I got in touch with him. It was really cool to get to know another family with whom we had lost contact, but the language barrier is really big, Italian is really hard to understand and all this history made me want to learn the language, which I am doing at the moment. So, I believe that the distance between the descendants of the immigrants and their families is the main reason why the languages are not so well preserved which may seem a bit obvious, but I believe that this would not have happened if it weren't for the measures that the government took during the Second World War, since Italian was VERY spoken here and would probably have encouraged all my grandparents to learn it. Regarding the descendants of the Dutch, I believe that the overwhelming majority are in Recife, which is where the Dutch invasion took place. I met a resident of Recife at work, he was of Dutch descent and told me several interesting facts about the Netherlands that have an impact on the city's culture to this day, but I imagine that it would be almost impossible to find a Dutch speaker there, since the invasion was centuries ago and although the vast majority of the city's millions of inhabitants have at least some minimal Dutch ancestry, the miscegenation was very large, it must be very rare to find people who only have Dutch blood there.

[@FN-lb3by]

Engraçado que no Recife nem falam holandês … Outro ponto mentiroso nenhuma imigração vinda ao Brasil falava o italiano standard e sim o dialeto asinelo

[@FN-lb3by]

Pela sua foto já vi que é bem brasileiro, todo fanzinho da merda de futebol 😂😂😂😂

[@luccamm2]

@@FN-lb3by Olha, eu acho que você não entendeu o que eu escrevi kkkkkkkk Tem que dar uma praticada nesse teu inglês aí. Eu falei justamente que é quase impossível achar algum falante de holandês em Recife apesar de ser com certeza o local com mais descentes. E sim, na Itália se usava dialetos locais para comunicação, inclusive, meus familiares que moram por lá falavam dialeto e italiano, normalmente usavam o dialeto pra falarem entre si e o italiano para conversas mais formais. O Italiano falado hoje surge do dialeto falado em Florença. Minhas famílias são todas do norte da Itália de regiões muito próximas, a maioria deles de Veneto em regiões com dialetos bem similares. No começo do século XX o italiano já era bastante usado, principalmente no norte da Itália e muitos dos meus familiares falavam italiano e os dialetos locais (acho que você não vai querer discutir comigo sobre minha própria família né?) kkkkkk

[@FN-lb3by]

Florença quem fala é brasileiro, a lei da cidadania vai mudar para apenas quem tem 100% de sangue da península itálica e grasie a dio vamos parar de receber bastardo de italiano aqui.

[@FN-lb3by]

@@luccamm2 sua família não, uma parte da sua família bastardone

[@paulovb7660]

One of the best Brazilian legislators is ¨Dutch¨ ... Marcel Van Hattem ... from the state of Rio Grande do Sul

[@RenanGarciaBorges]

I am really surprised that you a found Dutch speaker so "easily" haha.

[@LewisWirth]

That’s Brazilian hospitality for you. I’d say with all the places that I’ve visited and the frequency of that that’s definitely a big part of it

[@victor87]

4:24 acho que bigness é altura

[@feraradical29fx]

Wow, that's fascinating! I knew that the Dutch had taken control of Brazil from Portugal for nearly 25 years, but I had no idea there was a Dutch colony that lingered afterward, and I'm Brazilian.. Het is al heel moeilijk om goede Engels sprekenden in Brazilië te vinden, veel meer Nederlands sprekenden, haha How did you get there, just travelling in Brazil?

[@LewisWirth]

I set out to look for places like this as you can see in my other videos. I hope you like them too

[@feraradical29fx]

@@LewisWirth Yes, this was the first video of yours that KZbin suggested to me, and I really enjoyed it. Great work! People often think of Brazil and most of South America as just chaos, poverty, and crime. And while that can be true of big cities-just like major cities anywhere-it's refreshing to see you showcase the beauty and tranquility of the countryside. It really highlights that Brazil also has its peaceful side.

[@FWnatanzin]

For me, the video was also recommended by KZbin and now I'm watching some. I knew there was some Dutch influence in some parts of Brazil, but I didn't know where. I just left it there. lol

[@Henrique--Markovic]

The Dutch also settled in the northeast between 1630 and 1654 during the invasion of Guararapes, they invaded almost all the states of northeastern Brazil And during the Portuguese reconquest from the Dutch, Dutch colonists settled in the interior of the northeast So in the interior of the northeast it is very common to have blonde people with green or blue eyes.These Dutch who arrived in Brazil in the South and Southeast are modern Dutch, while the old ones settled in the Northeast In addition, there are several Dutch colonies established in the interior of Pernambuco, João Pessoa, Rio Grande do Norte and Ceará even today and many Brazilians do not know about this By the way, I am a Dutch descendant living in the interior of Alagoas.

[@joaoooob9304]

Fica no interior do estado de São Paulo?

[@contosdeavalon]

Sim, próximo a Campinas.

[@LewisWirth]

Sim

[@jonashermelindooliveira2823]

Brasil... ❤❤❤

[@metrocartao]

Nice place

[@MOPCLinguistica]

On the hill of Espirito Santo there seems to be a colony of dutch descendants who speak an unusual dialect of Dutch, at least one professor told me he discovered it when he researched the neighboring Pomeranians. By the way, I have the world's only grammar desciption in video on the Web of the Brazilian Pomeranian Low Saxon dialect (in Portuguese) = kzbin.info/www/bejne/op-kfoKbq7SAatU&pp=ygUNbW9wYyBwb21lcmFubw%3D%3D - I bet you are gonna love it. Many Pomeranians speakers contacted me to thank me for the detailed and accurate video.

[@marchauchler1622]

If the region is more Catholic then I would imagine that a majority of settlers came from the Limburg region..

[@hirsch4155]

Or Brabant.

[@rodrrodr7457]

The Dutch colony of Castro's region in Parana close to Curitiba its bigger and much more "real" than Holambra.

[@LewisWirth]

I went to the little Dutch park thing which was nice maybe a bit of a theme park but nice. Anyway it’ll take a fair amount of time before that comes out cause I’m prioritizing other things

[@hirsch4155]

I’m surprised they didn’t specialize in the dairy industry because the Dutch are good at that.

[@LewisWirth]

Actually there’s examples of that but that’s more in Parana

[@CachosPistache]

Muito bom❤ você ta Visitando o Brasil ? Ou morando ? Eu moro no sul do País, moro são José Sc

[@mtofd080792]

How did he forget about the other colony called Campos de Holambra, also known as Holambra II, in the south of the state of São Paulo? Sad!😒

[@LewisWirth]

Well there’s not as much to do and see there and it’s more remote and further from the line of things I’ve wanted to visit which is also why it must not get many tourists in comparison with the other one

[@mtofd080792]

@@LewisWirth I’m not referring to you, I’m referring to the gentleman who mentioned the Dutch colonies, but didn’t mention the Holambra II. But really, there isn’t much tourism there; it’s more focused on large-scale production of cotton, soybeans, corn, fruits, and flowers. However, there are still many Dutch speakers in the area. If you ever pass by, let me know, and I’ll find local contacts to show you the region.

[@LewisWirth]

@@mtofd080792 Ohh I get it. well thanks that's god to know

[@hirsch4155]

The Dutch rules for nationality are a a bit peculiar. If you emigrated and received another nationality, you would automatically lose your Dutch nationality . That’s what the man is describing because he said he’s no longer Dutch. (I assume he came to Brazil young.) But the kids even though they are born in Brazil are able to acquire Dutch nationality through the mother I guess.

[@LewisWirth]

No his parents or grandparents had come to Brazil he was born there.

[@rafaelmoraes_]

I respect this old man but when he said that the south brasil is europe and the north is the real Brasil I laughed. There are a lot of thought that can come out of this statement. Like a country cannot exist as one if there are different cultures whithin?? Another thing is that he talks like the south is like 99% white. Ok they can be a majority but its not like EUROPE lets be real guys.

[@LewisWirth]

I know it's not really Europe but I understand his situation making him a little biased. Form his perspective it might as well be. and in a oversimplified stereotypical sense the statement is close enough. But having experienced it myself with all its nuance and complexity was very interesting to me and it shaped much of my view of Latin America. Or well adding to it and answering many questions I had.

[@rafaelmoraes_]

@@LewisWirth As a Brazilian, I'm glad that you are showing through your videos the diversity of my country. And yes Latin America is very diverse, most of the people don't know that. Especially Brazil I would say, I'm sure it's one of the most diverse countries in the world!! Each region has its predominance but in general you will see all shades of color no matter where you go in Brazil. Another thing that it's just a subjective observation, only in the three states of the south there's this strong sense of belonging to a certain heritage or family, I believe due to the more recent immigration compared to the other regions. Besides that, the majority of Brazilians identify themselves simply as Brazilians that share the same language and culture that varies by region only and not by race (like in the us).

[@rafaelmoraes_]

I mean , the majority of us is a result of centuries of different cultures and people mixing and building what we see today.

[@enzostefanocosta159]

Sinceramente a maiorias das coisas bonitas que a gente ver hoje como construções e monumento são em sua maioria feitas por descendente de europeus, até mesmo o cristo redentor não foi criado por brasileiros, você ver a arquitetura do sul é muito melhor que a do norte, e as poucas casas bonitas do norte são arquitetura dos portuguêses

[@alexandrefernandes6084]

Yeah that is absurd. Unfortunately a lot of people living in the Serra have this distorted view, and also the sense of superiority that comes with it. It's a bit sad when you think about it, if they don't belong to the "real brazil", then what country are they a part of? My impression travelling in RS throughout the years is that these people feel very isolated, thorn between where their gradparents came from and where they now live. Maybe if they didn't have so much prejudice against the rest of their country they would feel more at home...

[@paske2001]

Acho que nessa cidade só tem o moinho de holandês mesmo.. kkkk

[@LewisWirth]

Também tem uma no Paraná de Gastrolanda. Eu visitei lá também

[@deejagers716]

je bent een Nederlander? Mooi.

[@Nogoodalvarez]

Dutch Brazilians are 1,000,000.% of country is 0.5%.Dutch Brazilians are in Regions with significant populations Predominantly Northeast Region, South Region and Southeast Region of Brazil.

[@LewisWirth]

I must say I have. I idea what you mean

[@jorgepiresjunior]

As a Brazilian, I don't understand why immigrants do not keep their native language alive in their own families, kids are able to learn multiple languages at a very young age. When I moved to Finland, my stepson was 5 years old and spoke spanish (He attended spanish speaking kind garden as his father is cuban) and finnish. Nowadays, he is 11 and is currently learning swedish and english at school. Many of his friends are able to communicate in finnish and english. Why in Brazil do we hold this belief that kids should speak only portuguese? I had a friend in Brazil whose father was Spanish, and he didn't speak any spanish.

[@marcosmarques9228]

Sorry for my bad english é muito brasileiro hahaha

[@Tropeiro-Paulista]

The pirates didn't learn their lesson

[@Marcos-ly9sw]

🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@felipemendes8337]

i read flying dutch

[@LewisWirth]

Hahaha yeah that’s quite something different

[@pedroassis89]

From 1889 to 1930, Brazil was controlled by agrarian oligarchies that only looked out for their own interests and the maintenance of their privileges; they had no national vision whatsoever. Many emigrants were not absorbed by Brazilian culture, And there were gigantic colonies of emigrants within the country, It was only in the 1930s that Getúlio Vargas took power and began to truly build the nation, assimilating emigrants into the country, starting industrialization with a nationalist project. Interestingly, in 1932 the agrarian elite financed a movement against Vargas, called "M.M.D.C", where most of the recent Italian emigrants had rebelled against the country and wanted to make São Paulo independent.

[@BrasilNewsN]

cool

[@jairodoframer]

Tem holandês no Brasil ? Kkk e eu estudando holandês a 3 meses sem saber

[@LewisWirth]

kkkkk pq vc estudando holandês?

[@jairodoframer]

@@LewisWirth tudo começou com o diário da anne frank agora quero descobrir varias coisas como entender a rainha guilhermina falando tem musica boa também e porque eu não consigo parar uma coisa que eu não termino

[@pedrogallovieira7474]

Essas pestes cansaram de invadir. Ficaram um tempão no Nordeste. Saquearam minha cidade também

[@eddiedejong5424]

@@jairodoframer Muito legal vc esta a estudar holandes, parabens entao. Muitos holandeses somente falam ingles, acham isso ser suficiente para viajar pelo mundo. Eu falo espanhol e portugues mesmo sendo holandes. Na Espanha a gente fala sempre espanhol isso faz com que os espanhois se abram. Muitos holandeses tem dificuldades assim que morarem no paises aonde o dominio do ingles esta muito baixo.

[@jairodoframer]

@@eddiedejong5424 estou literalmente estudando holandês neste momento, haha parei para responder legal Demais, curto muito a família real da Holanda ontem mesmo tava assistindo um vídeo da rainha Guilhermina

[@kauemoura]

Ze gebben gebracht mensen en zelfs sommige elementen uit Nederland om die molen te bouwen, maar ja, da's gewoon een Tourist trap.

[@LewisWirth]

Blijft het beste wat ze hebben daar die tourist trap

[@luiznuness]

I’m from Recife (mauritsstadt). Maurits Van Nassau is our hero. We have statues, universities, streets, bridges in his honor. Also a fort (Forte Oranje) in honor of the Oranje-Nassau royal house. 🇳🇱🇳🇱🧡

[@vmvm949]

15:20 ele gosta de balada? 😂

[@mpessan]

Why would anybody in Brazil want to learn Dutch? Holland is not a benchmark for Brazil. It's tiny and Philips is not a high-end brand here.

[@LewisWirth]

To communicate with family, preserve your culture and feel culturally connected to that culture. Minority languages rarely have many of any practical necessities. Except when there’s monolingual speakers

[@JustinJust-In]

Their northern neigbour Suriname speaks Dutch. And they are in South America right?

[@LewisWirth]

@@JustinJust-In That's not meaningful at all, in Suriname they also speak English for the most part economically they're very insignificant and most people live along the coast I don't even know if there's a road connecting the two over land because their border lays in the amazon so I would say you might as well just forget about that. Also the border is on the least populated part of the country that goes for both countries actually and for Brazil it's major population centers are about a continent away compared to Europe and Australia sizes. So I mean technically sure and interesting you knew that they do speak some Dutch there

[@JustinJust-In]

@@LewisWirth It's the official language of the country Suriname. Dutch. Like the majority speak it, so I won't say they speak some Dutch. They speak Dutch.

[@thomasschumacher5362]

Major cities close together in Australia? Must be a different Australia to the one i am from​@@LewisWirth

[@digitandoshshua]

Do you spk Dutch?" No. " So sad "😂 Come on...These immigrants came to Brazil many generations ago. Give the descendents a break 😅

[@LewisWirth]

Some still did and it wouldn’t be much of a Dutch town if it wasn’t for those few people still left and the windmill replica

[@oldluantty]

Ele parece o Kiko 😂

[@LewisWirth]

Quem é Kiko?

[@FWnatanzin]

​@@LewisWirth Kiko é um personagem de uma serie de televisão muito antiga chamada "chaves".. que na verdade essa serie é do México, mas q foi dublado por aqui e bem famoso por muitos..

[@LewisWirth]

@@FWnatanzin ahhh claro

[@symptomesdelau-dela5442]

vergonha alheia uma cidade turística não ter um guia que fale um inglês decente

[@bre_eduardo]

Quantos turistas de outros países visitam esta cidade?

[@LewisWirth]

Bem, o Brasil tem um turismo predominantemente nacional e poucas pessoas falam inglês. Mas é claro que isso os ajudaria.

[@ricardocarvalho9990]

Vergonha nada vai nos estados unidos Alemanha França para ver se eles falam português...odeiam outros idiomas é vc y vc tipo se virem.

[@LewisWirth]

@@bre_eduardo Não sei, apenas pelas pessoas com quem conversei em Holambra, mas de forma semelhante em todo o Brasil, ouvi muitas vezes que a grande maioria do turismo é nacional. Até conheço pessoas que administram grupos de turismo aqui, todos em português, apenas para turistas nacionais. Isso se deve principalmente ao fato de os estrangeiros terem medo do crime e ao fato de a América do Sul ser isolada

[@vinao7045]

é o que eu tava pensando, Holambra é cidade turística, deveriam investir em mais pessoas que falem ingles pelo menos, doeu de ouvir o rapazinho falar ali no comeco, mas pontos por tentar

[@francescosilverio7343]

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🌅☀️🇧🇷

[@lgoncalves50]

Nações que não tiveram colonias, como a Alemanha ou a Áustria, possuem identidades muito mais fortes e presentes que países que tiveram colonias e que hoje estão mergunlados numa séria "Crise de Modelo de identidade"; Por causa da força da identidade que em comunidades alemães e austríacas eles falam alemão com enorme frequência, mas em comunidades holandesas, em uma geração o holandês desaparece (França, neste momento, me parece uma excessão)... Essa é a maior ameaça que a UE estabelece aos países ex-colonias, a falência dos modelos de identidade.

[@pedropereira2211]

a Alemanha nao teve colónias??? Claro que teve, tanto que as teve de entregar depois da primeira grande guerra à Inglaterra e EUA e não eram tão poucas (Namibia, Tanzania, Togo, Camarões e muitas outras possessões no Pacífico). Hoje, na Namíbia, ainda há muitos falantes de Alemão e continua a ser um destino de eleição de turismo alemão. Quanto à Àustria, até à primeira grande guerra controlavam grande parte da Europa Central. Como estavam rodeados de outros países, não se podiam expandir maritimamente. Mas eram um império Europeu e subjugavam outros povos europeus.

[@joalexsg9741]

If those Dutch who want to preserve their culture bought more land and built traditional houses, hotels, etc here, they could do it better in their diasporas in our southern region than in modern Netherlands since the whole of Europe is being 'globalized' in a scary pace ... sadly enough. Any Europeans for that matter!

[@LewisWirth]

Well first of all I don't believe they were this preoccupied with preserving their culture. The main goal was more like starting big farms on cheap farmland with cheap labor. Probably a bunch of second and third born farmers sons that couldn't inherit a farm themself stuff like that I actually personally know of a hand full of Dutch people that moved to the US Canada or Australia for exactly this reason. And then on the replacement of Europe's population the only places you have any chance of moving to avoiding this are settler colonies with a European base like US/Canada New Zealand Australia. All of these have similar problems as Europe in this field. Brazil is already a multicultural nation and people are mostly content with this fact it's part of their identity and culture. Though the south is nice, safer and retained a fair bit of it's culture it's already more multicultural then Europe as a whole. Brazil is also not a free nation with even less freedom of speech as Europe generally has with as exception perhaps the scary case of the UK. This goes for almost every such similar nation like other examples in Latin America. The concept you seem to be alluding to is white flight and I have a whole list of problems with this concept some of which I've already listed. If you don't like the changing demographics of your nation make some noise politically. Democracy doesn't do you much so you'll have to basically do all you can to shift the overtone window as far as you can so you can later make some compromises. Belief it on not that's far more realistic and will do a lot more for your cause. For left wingers the advice is a little different because they seem to have some other problems with lets say their public relations but let's not go there. If you're an extreme leftist just move to a multicultural nation (like Brazil) there's a good number of those and life can be very good if that's what you like. If you don't care to specifically preserve your specific culture but something more generally western European consider your options within western Europe, North America Oceania and so forth. And for those that really insist on freeing far away from civilization, your only good option is a European countries overseas territory (they're not all made the same!) there's some nice British and French ones, the Dutch ones are multicultural some of the British ones are part Polynesian. Also know you won't be able to defend yourself and you'll rely on the nations military to keep the Island safe.

[@joalexsg9741]

@@LewisWirth I'm neither far left nor far right, I vote for the Green party here but I loathe Marxism and their political alliances in the 21st century. I don't agree with some of the points you made but a KZbin comments section wouldn't be the place to discuss such complex geopolitical, anthropological and socio-political aspects. Moreover, I've learned with age that when people have already made up their mind, discussing only leads to endless arguments leading actually nowhere whatsoever. Basically, I believe ancestral cultures to be preserved need to have articulate and enlightened parameters so that the movements hence created don't degenerate into spurious forms of supremacism or dogmatism. For any healthy movement to thrive, there needs to be flexibility but not too much so as not to lose its purpose and identity. That implies the need for multiple approaches like the linguistic, anthropological and even notions of holistic spirituality as a guidance to the strategies to be taken for the purposes adopted. Diasporas like the Welsh one in Patagonia have been quite successful in that direction in my opinion, though they're far from what I conceive as a holistic approach to culture. However, everything is in a constant process of change, the question is if that change is improvement or loss of precious traits. And the latter also implies what ideological tools one adopts to asses those changes obviously, as in everything. I try to do my best as a cultural activist for our minority languages,whether they're of our natives (First Nations, who, by the way, has a huge number of tongues) or of European and Asian diasporas. I believe in ancestral spiritualities and try to preserve them from patriarchal spiritual acculturation but in the case of European cultures, our pagan traditions have only started to make a come back in the 50's in the last century. Nevertheless, these pagan/shamanic traditions have been thriving more and more, including those of Ugro-finnic cultures in Europe, and the best is the ones which are more clearly shamanic have been exchanging a lot of their experiences with other related traditions from other continents, a spiritual enrichment which I think should be the ideal to follow, instead of the promotion of Islamic supremacism most leftists do, calling it multiculturalism and diversity. Last but not least, I also believe all these cultural aspects should be promoted under the values of respect for non humans' rights, protecting the environment and the cultural treasures of these legitimate minority cultures. Dankje wel for your attention and may the beautiful languages of the Netherlands be preserved, especially Frisian, Twents and Dutch itself but not only:-)

[@LewisWirth]

Trying to maintain your settlers culture with no sovereign political power is just fighting an uphill battle. Quebec even has that to quite a far extend and even they struggle but they're probably doing better then almost any other example of a minority culture within a larger nation. They actually seem to have higher then proportional power in Canada because of government dual language requirements. Is Twents a language? i haven't heard of it being considered as such before. You seem to not fit the stereotypical mold of a divined ideology/leftism generally/ Which is a sign of being a free and independent thinker, even if I may disagree on thing. Though I must say I'm a little confused. Like are you Brazilian it seems so, I mean my best guess is part Jewish Brazilian that would have things make more sense. Nah I must say I'm really not sure. These kinds of discussions indeed often go nowhere but usually the main reasons for this are conflicting interests and a misunderstanding of the others interests/beliefs in the instances where interests align. Also most people have very limited interest in stuff like politics and anthropology or fit in basic boxes with their ideas. With how uncommon it is that someone mentions certain standpoints or ideas I haven't heard before I find it quite interesting. Even if a comment section isn't my favorite medium for this.

[@joalexsg9741]

@@LewisWirth I do indeed have Jewish lineages and have been aware of one German Ahskenazi ancestors on my mom's side since I was 12 and later learned about the Iberian converted Jews that many latinos all over the Americas have in their lineages as well. Ukrainians have a well preserved diaspora here! They do learn their language, write and speak it, as well as Portuguese, at least the descendants I've got to know on XTwitter. Our Italians also have a high percentage of speakers of their Italian dialects here, some cities in Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina I guess have it as the second official language. And our Japanese seem to have kept theirs as well but I can't say for sure how many. Our Pomeranians do speak their language, with even a grammar being published by a Pomeranian-Brazilian researcher, something I think they don't have even in the original region but I'm not sure about the percentages of fluent speaker. Our Poles also seem to keep theirs but I only knew a few groups when I was still on Facebook, I left that social web in Sept 2017 though. I think the new generations of each minority seem to have waken up to the importance of learning and preserving their languages, perhaps due to the fact that our federal and state universities here are not paid yet and cultural movements seem to be getting a lot of attention, with our First Nations languages being more studied, with KZbin channel lessons and even a course in some universities. I also have at least one South American native lineage on my dad's side, this one for sure but I may also have one on mom's side on one of our great great grandads. I still hope someday I can afford to get my DNA test cause I believe in shamanic traditions (some of the East) which teach the utter importance of ancestral lienages. Twents is a regional language as much as dear Frisian, from what I read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweants_dialect#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20variety%20of%20Dutch%20Low%20Saxon%2C%20recognised%20by,for%20its%20promotion%20and%20preservation. As you probably know, it's one variant of Low Saxon and I prefer the varieties spoken in the Netherlands it cause in Germany people tend to call these Low Saxon varieties as Platt Deutsch and I don't think that's fair, it's not German but a Germanic language. From what I've read, it's even a much older tongue than Hoch itself and to my ears it's way more euphonic than the latter. In fact, I find all the non official varieties of German way more pleasant to the ears, even the Austrian Hoch and certainly their regional languages. Needless to say, I way prefer Dutch itself to German:-) I prefer to think of myself as a centrist now, I've come to loathe Marxism over the years and even being a staunch voter for our Green party, I've got no sympathy for the Labor Party and much less the even more radical parties, except for our social democrats, the PDT. In the next elections, if the PDT candidate for presidency doesn't win in the first run, I won't vote for the Labor party in the run-off at all. Our Green party is too small to get any chance whatsoever running for the presidency anyway, the options end up being between a far right and a far left party in the run-offs.

[@Alejandrocasabranca]

O melhor estado do Brasil é o Ceará estado português 😊

[@Userm4ster]

😂😂😂

[@marialuisabastista]

Eu concordo

[@GuilhermeRodrigues-t6b]

Mas é bom, só não é melhor, mas é bom☝

[@ThiagoKlock-l6x]

é bom pq fica bem longe de onde eu moro!

[@GuilhermeRodrigues-t6b]

Que continue assim, e nunca visite, vai ser um a menos (não moro no Ceará)

[@joaomoreira9689]

Vergonha uma cidade turistica só ter um cara que fala Inglês e mesmo assim nível Joel Santana. 😂

[@julianojacinto4463]

I definitely disagree with you. He can understand very well and he speaks very well. He has courage to speak. You should respect him. I doubt if you were in his place you can speak English better than him.

[@andrelima6458]

Os turistas são na maioria brasileiros. Por que teriam tantos guias falando inglês?

[@FWnatanzin]

tem a questão do abolimento dos idiomas nativa dos descendentes europeus q vieram pra cá na época da segunda guerra pelo governo..