Finland's Election Results Explained: How Sanna Marin Lost

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Many in the english speaking media were surprised last weekend when Sanna Marin, Finland's PM, lost the countries election. So we dive into the election results, and find out why the widely popular (internationally) Marin lost, & what it means for Finland
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0:00 Introduction
1:20 How Finland’s Elections Work
2:57 Rise of the Finns
4:21 Marin’s Tenure
5:20 results
7:34 What Happens Next
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[@puha1816]

It's actually incredibly rare for Finnish prime ministers to stay in power for consecutive terms So in Finland this really wasn't a surprise to anyone.

[@frankhaugen]

It's healthy for a country to rotate its leadership as often as possible, it forces a system that is stable in its institutions and less reliant on political leadership

[@puha1816]

@@frankhaugen yeah it's not like this'll be a major change of course for Finland Maybe there'll be slightly less public spending for a few years, but not by much

[@frankhaugen]

@@puha1816 probably not, because I'm Norwegian and we have a very similar system, (except for monarchy), and any attempts at change usually results in everything staying the same. It's easy to promise spending cuts, but then the media shows families being unable to send their kids to soccer practice and it self-corrects to be enough to placate the poor and little enough to placate the rich, which is probably the same spending that is now 🤣

[@puha1816]

@@frankhaugen yeah The biggest change that could come from this is that if perussuomalaiset (true finns) get in government, people might remember for a while what kind of clowns they really are outside of opposition lmao

[@castor3020]

@@zUJ7EjVD in this round around 70% of those who have the right to vote did. That is not low political engagement.

[@Pelaaja20]

3:56 Correction: the more moderate ”Blue party” was actually voted out of parliament in favor of what was left of the Finns party. So exactly the other way around than presented here

[@aristocraticrebel]

The cucks got voted out. Excellent.

[@Crudeliciousbops]

Lucky we didn’t get Biased Ben for this topic cuz he tend to be misleading by making biased statements. It’s unfortunate when the topic is about Sweden though cuz TLDR ALWAYS puts him in charge for that 💀

[@Pyryp2]

Depends on what you mean by moderate. Blue party was more moderate on most issues but it was more socially conservative.

[@LaurenticAspie]

Finland has effectively a parliamentary system (at least as far as domestic and economic affairs are concerned), not semi-presidential like, say, France. We used to have the latter (since 1919), but the president's powers have been reduced by most administrations since the 1980's, with what remains mostly concerning foreign affairs and security. (Had to edit this after so many replies.)

[@playdischord1791]

It used to be semi-presidential. Like Austria, it was technically semi-presidential on paper as the president still has some power legally but it was de facto parliamentary. Now it’s pretty much a parliamentary republic.

[@nikikiiskinen183]

Semi-presidentialism is a broad category and with a couple different definitions. On the most common conception it is sufficient to have a popularly elected head of state alongside a head of government who can be removed by parliamentary vote. Although Finland has a weak president, it is nonetheless strictly speaking a semi-presidential system. Source: I study political science

[@lucone2937]

@Never repeats The Finnish President leads foreign policy together with the Goverment and he is the Commander in Chief for the Finnish Army. The Premier Minister leads the Goverment that takes care of economic and social decisions, the EU issues, and other everyday questions. The Finnish Parliament doesn't choose the President but he is elected by the popular vote for 6 years, and the same person can be the President for maximum 12 years (6 x 2). It's very common that the Finnish Goverments have stayed power for full 4 years to the next Parliamentary Elections even if they have always been coalition goverments. In Finnish politics right-wing and left-wing parties like the National Coalition Party and the Social Democratic Party have been in the same goverment quite often since 1987. Democracy is based on political comprises especially in multi-party system.

[@janhunen3013]

@Lauri Hirvisalo perustuslaillisesti suomi on yhä semipresidentiaalinen tasavalta, sillä presidentillä on edelleen merkittävää valtaa ulkopolitiikan alalla, mutta yhteistoiminnassa valtioneuvoston kanssa. Mutta perusoikeusuudistusten, kv/eu-velvoitteiden sekä perusoikeusuudistusten jälkeen Suomea voi kutsua myös parlamentaariseksi tasavallaksi

[@yarpen26]

I didn't bother to check myself but my red light flashed the moment he said that. This channel is notoriously unreliable and messes up stuff like this all the time.

[@canles]

Sorry, but the Blue Party you mentioned (Blue Reform) actually got smashed in 2019. None of their members kept their seats. Finns were 2nd. Blue Reform was a faction of the Finns party that left the party in 2017 and formed their own party.

[@peagames2002]

They left after they ditched the Finn's Party's original ideologies to support the current government's policies, in turn throwing Finn's Party out of government seats leaving only a small minority of ex-Finn's Party. This didn't get unnoticed, as it showed in 2019, where Blue Reform thought they would get crushing victory, quite contrary, they disappeared from existence of politics altogether after betraying what they were standing for in first place. For this humorous 2019 election, you can search a little video named "kusinen tulevaisuus" = "pissed future"

[@northernandyboy]

The blue party split off because they didn’t like the new Finns party leader who had been prosecuted for his racist blog remarks.

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

sounds very similar to what happened to the swedish democrats a few years back

[@user12122]

The ones in the allready dead blues party tried to coop the finns party while onboard but they were all kicked out. Blues no longer have any part in finnish politics, which is awesome.

[@jkausti6737]

@@user12122 That is not actually accurate. The party convention in 2017 voted out the old leader Timo Soini and people close to him. As a result Soini and the other ministers (The Finns were in the ministry at the time) left the Finns party and made their own group, ie the Blues, and stayed in the ministry. Reasons for this vary but one was that the new leaderships of The Finns would have spelled trouble, and probably doom, for the ministry and Soini pretty much decided it was for the good of the country to keep the current ministry untill the next sheduled election in 2019. Some of the defector even said at the time what they did was political suicide. Which was proven to be true. So no, (Future leader of the Blues) Soini didn't "try to coop" the Party, he was the leader of it untill that point, and no they were not kicked out but left starting their own political group. It is true that none of the Blues are active in National politics anymore.

[@sakarituomisto3440]

Correction: Antti Rinne was not a veteran in SDP. He had been an MP for 4 years before becoming PM. Correction: Marin was not youngest by "quite a margin". Esko Aho become PM at the age of 36 in 1991 so the margin to second youngest is 2 years.

[@apainintheaas]

Would have nice if the actual changes in the amount of seats would have been shown

[@TheValkosuklaa]

This election compared to 2019’s election Kokoomus (NCP): +10 (48 seats) PS (Finns): +7 (46 seats) SDP: +3 (43 seats) Keskusta (Centre): -8 (23 seats) Vihreät (Greens): -7 (13 seats) Vas. (Lefts): -5 (11 seats) RKP (Swedes): 0 (9 seats) KD (Cristians):0 (5 seats) Liik. :+1 (1 seat) Non-aligned: -1 (1 seat) Edit; added the last 2 I forgot

[@aleximj3618]

Starting with the current opposition. The national coalition went from 38 seats to 48, gaining 10. The Finns went from 39 to 46 gaining 7. Then the current government. The SDP went from 40 to 43, gaining 3. It is really rare for the prime minister party to gain seats. However their aggressive election strategy to remain the largest party explains in part, not fully, the hurt of it's closes allies, the other left wing parties from the government. The Greens going from 20 to 13, losing 7 and the left Alliance going from 16 to 11, losing 5. The centre party has been struggling for 8 years after being the PM party and being in this government tore the party even more internally and with voter. In this election they went from 31 to 23, losing 8. Good to keep in mind that in 2015 they still had 49.

[@Psi-Storm]

@@aleximj3618 Looks like the Left lost seats to the SDP, Greens seats went to SDP and NCP, the center party really lost votes to the right, and the SDP, while gaining seats, also lost a bunch of voters to the NCP and Finns.

[@elomial724]

@@TheValkosuklaa You forgot the LIIK +1 (1 seat) and one non-alligned

[@Droidman1231]

Did you watch the whole video? Do they not show it at 3:30 ?

[@upnorth2421]

All through our independence we have had changing coalitions. In a multi-party system nobody rules alone. Our politics is all about compromise, which brings stability. In important issues, like external security, we can still react quickly enough like we saw in the nato issue.

[@roqsteady5290]

Congratulations on joining NATO, a bright spot in the news over the last few weeks.

[@mexlo1001]

We did it natobros! 🤝

[@wile123456]

The right wing creates instability always though

[@franekkkkk]

CENTRIST ALERT 🚨 CENTRIST ALERT 🚨 The idea of political compromise is a dumb. Especially since one party is right wing.

[@jooseppuusaag75]

cough cough Kekkonen cough cough (I joke, he's the exception)

[@sebastiansandvik825]

Correction: The Swedish People's Party is not left-leaning. It's a center-right party with some really messy political ideologies centered around securing language rights for the Swedish-speaking minority.

[@puha1816]

Tbh RKP is pretty much just the 'mandatory Swedish education' party Otherwise all for whatever the majority party says lmao

[@honda6353]

I thought they already had that right?

[@muttilainenakseli6764]

The swedish peoples party has one goal and it is mandatory swedish lessons wich are pretty much useless in most of the country.

[@puha1816]

@@honda6353 yes. That's why RKP has nothing new to offer.

[@earlh]

@@honda6353 You call forcing everyone else in the country to learn your minority language a right? 😁

[@sampohonkala4195]

Sanna Marin was the youngest PM of Finland at 34, but not by a large margin. Esko Aho was 36 when he was sworn in office in 1991.

[@adam-k]

This is really misrepresented in the news around the world even in the title here. It is misleading because it sounds like people vote for a prime minister the same way in the US people vote for a President. There was no vote whether Sanna Marin should be the prime minister or not. People voted for political parties.

[@pritapp788]

The funniest thing is that this channel has content being created by English people, and they of all nationalities should understand that.

[@firstlast5454]

You do know that the president doesnt make every decision there government makes, right? Knowing the general opinions of an elected offical is easier by knowing their party affiliation

[@stananderson4524]

US people do not understand parliamentary democracies. They vote for the party. Not the pri-minister.

[@Tingletonttu]

In 2017 The Finns party collapsed into the Blue party and the Finns party. The Blue party stayed in the government but did not get any members elected in 2019. 4:22 you have the seats switched between the Centre and Green parties

[@lawrencefrost9063]

That was a political suicide. They actually thought it was a good idea to spin off a new party and betray their old party. They got what the deserved, zero seats.

[@peagames2002]

I can imagine the salt in the wound of Blue party when they see how well Finn's Party is still doing. Should've not stepped over the "musta kynnys" and treat their own party as stepping stone for wealth.

[@wallinollipekka]

Only most of it's MP's formed another party but the party itself left intact and the Blue party lost power and seats inside the Finns party.

[@franklinclinton4539]

TLDR: Marin lost because that's what always happens to the previous government in Finland.

[@roqsteady5290]

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. The other side have not yet made any mistakes, because they were not in power to do so.

[@danielmalinen6337]

And nothing changes. Politics and decisions are still the same year after year, regardless of parties and election promises.

[@mr.boomguy]

​@@roqsteady5290 couldn't have been said better!

[@christophermorrison8632]

Or indeed anywhere else they have proper elections.

[@erozionzeall6371]

Sounds like a failure of democracy

[@Varjaagi]

As others have corrected, the Finns' moderate offshoot "Blue Party" didn't get a single seat in 2019 and have instead vanished as a political force.

[@Tounushi]

people saw them as traitors who'd rather cling to their seats in government than stand by the ideals of their party.

[@vloh3097]

It's also important to know that kokoomus has supported Finland's nato membership for a long time while SDP opposed it until Russia started their invasion of Ukraine. That probably contributed a lot to the popularity of kokoomus.

[@meretricioussimp7759]

but nato membership was huuuuugelly unpopulr until the invasion

[@RabbitShirak]

Highly unlikely, since almost everyone wanted to join Nato after 2022.

[@potatofuryy]

@@Valokaari That just means Finnish people trust the government, not if they actually believe Finland should join NATO.

[@viktator4205]

​@@potatofuryy while true, it also means it wasn't "hugely unpopular". Sure, few outright supported it, but not many outright opposed it or would have minded either per se.

[@Tounushi]

@@meretricioussimp7759 it was publicly unpopular because it was publicly unpopular. Finns can easily be rather browbeaten to tow the common line. That's largely how Kekkonen stayed in power and how there was little direct opposition to the USSR during his rule. When people don't want to go with the mass anymore, things happen. True Finns rising as a political force is one of those things.

[@moisuomi]

4:14 Lol you put the Keskusta symbol by Vihreat (Green League)! A small but goofy mistake. I have been noticing these kinds of mistakes on your channel more recently. You should really hire a good editor.

[@_jpg]

You do know there are "willingly" done mistakes, right? Might not be on this channel, but it helps the algorithm, when dozens of people comment on the same small mistake ^^

[@thetrashman3129]

​@@_jpg How do you know

[@_jpg]

@The Trashman It's a common tactic, everybody knows that-

[@funnyman4744]

@@thetrashman3129 an example is when youtubers mispronounce something

[@juuhan4892]

Sanna as a leader of SDP they didn't win any elections. She was popular but also very disliked because of massive debt taking

[@abdihamidabdihamid4061]

This was literally her first ever election as the leader. You could've just said she didn't win this election.

[@sampohonkala4195]

A bit controversial result, as SDP gained three new seats in Parliament. It is extremely rare that PM's party can make gains in the next election; has happened only twice since 1966 and now for the third time. So, in parliamentary elections SDP was among the winners, but considering the PM post they lost.

[@dv9239]

She was not popular lol 😂

[@juuhan4892]

@@abdihamidabdihamid4061 You don't count another elections like municipal election? There have been three elections and she has lost them all.

[@juuhan4892]

@@dv9239 She gained massive vote amount personally and party was bigger than 4 years ago.

[@niksamaravic8886]

Its not semipresidential. It is actually parliamentary system.

[@oscargentz9177]

4:20 You guys mixed up the seats of the green league and the centre

[@Lennukusti]

The biggest reason that SDP is too profiled around Sanna Marin. Finns reject the overly inflated personality cult. Especially when a person is worshiped too much (appearance and number of Instagram followers). Sanna Marin's understanding of the economy and the functioning of the national economy is very weak, so the Finns did not trust Sanna Marin's ability to solve problems in a constructive way, because she has not acknowledged the mistakes she made (domestic and foreign policy). Finns have not liked the fact that Sanna Marin puts others on the bus and does not take responsibility herself.

[@garageliddiard8420]

Seems a bit harsh, but it is intriguing to see an electoral system that doesn’t just boil down to personality politics.

[@ilmarinen79]

@@garageliddiard8420 Harsh but accurate. She behaves exactly like Trump. She won't answer even a simple question, goes into hiding when she does a horrible mistakes or orders some think tank piece that claims criticism is because she is a woman, or because of racists or far-right. She also liked to act like the president as PM...Yeah, totally normal stuff.

[@jonatanwestholm]

At least Finland politics are so civil that people get put on the bus, rather than under it

[@jfirbfi3383]

​@@garageliddiard8420 Yes, as a Finn who somewhat follows politics in foreign countries, I find it stupid for politics to sometimes become a publicity and popularity contest between different personalities and less of a matter of logical debate.

[@henkkahenrik4183]

Yeah... I voted sdp but didn't vote for Marin either. Like while I'm not one of the people outright criticizing her, because as far as I know she hasn't really fucked up anything that bad and did a decent job during her tenure, i also don't get why she specifically is so popular when i found many other better candidates in her party with more moderate opinions. I also don't really like the whole us vs them attitude that seems to have gotten popular lately, and I feel like Marin just might be a bit too much on the extreme side. I dunno, i just don't really want Finland to end up with something resembling a two party system, so i don't wanna vote for someone who leans too much on just left or right or follows their party's ideology too closely and doesn't form their own opinions on stuff. One of the reasons i didn't wanna vote for greens or leftists and ended up with sdp in the first place.

[@limaluu3250]

As a Finn, i can't see any reason to like Marin. She is basically a pretty face with no real solutions. The media has just gone crazy because ''Wowie she's young and a woman!!!11!''

[@RabbitShirak]

Funny, almost the same way I think of our president. An old face with no real solutions

[@TzeiEm]

The Finnish government tends to alternate between slightly left and slightly right every election. Some might say it's a bad thing, because in their mind nothing ever gets done that way, but I think it's good because it ensures our country doesn't fall too much to the left or to the right. And I'd say that has worked wonders for us for a long time, because despite its flaws Finland is still an incredibly great country to live in.

[@arttukettunen5757]

Me, a finn wondering why doesn't every democracy have at least 8 relevant parties in politics

[@connorcampbell5274]

Well, at least here in the states, it's the first past the post system. There is no incentive to vote for someone well aligned on policy that perhaps might normally garner smaller, but significant support, over someone that has a higher chance of winning, but compromises on policy. In fact, voting for such a candidate will likely ensure that the candidate least aligned to you will win. Thus, it's better, politically, to just for vote candidate closest aligned to you while still having the best chance of winning a simple majority (

[@jarmosalonen2068]

Here in Finland the PM usually changes in most 4 years. That is the democracy that does not seem some don't in foreign understanding. It is not like in Russia ;)

[@RabbitShirak]

@Never repeats it probably is

[@bertilhatt]

The important thing about Finland is how much they are _not_ like Russia. At all. - What about vodka? You drink th… ::angry look:: - You use birch sprigs in the sauna too? ::angrier look:: - Winters are long, I guess, and… ::angriest look:: - So, nothing like Russia. At all. ::silent approval::

[@RabbitShirak]

@@bertilhatt you forgot the depressing music

[@pritapp788]

TLDR's content creators and subscribers assume that because they "like" a politician - particularly if she happens to be a woman who says the right things like Ardern or Marin - that politician should forever be reelected regardless of their actual policies and actions.

[@ilmarinen79]

It's still a LOT like Russia. There is no discussion culture at all. Only a single truth allowed or you are attacked with lies or smear campaigns. All the largest media players are left wing and far-left apologists. Silence when group A, shit storm when group B type of deal. Ex-president was also Putin's friend, which is not discussed much by the media rulers, for a reason lol. It was even worse in the 70s when the whole country was ultra-brainwashed and it was not allowed to criticize Soviet Union and the left worshipped the Soviet Union as this wonderful utopia... This is also kept pretty hush-hush like it never happened or wasn't like a batshit crazy era at all. The attitude is similar to how Russia is still admiring Stalin even he was equal to worse than Hitler... Though now as a NATO country it might be time for change and like the deeds of the nazis, also the left's collusions and treasons with Soviet Union/Russia will be dug up unto clear daylight.

[@jattahietala1994]

She maybe looks like rockstar and superhero in the other countries but her action as prime minister here in Finland makes many people angry and worried about.

[@Jan-mp2ud]

You have mixed Centre Party and Green League in the picture at 4:15. Its funny when you see videos of your own country and you see so many incorrect facts in smaller news channels. Videos like this always reminds me how we trust random youtubers who really dont have any fact checking behind them. Not that im a huge fan of mainstream media, but atleast the usually have their numbers straight.

[@lauriniiranen1941]

I would just like to point out that at 4:18 the centre party is shown as the smaller one of the green colored parties when it is actually the bigger one on the right

[@Sikk2]

Thanks for the informative video! However, I would appreciate, if you would display the graphs for longer then 5sec

[@samisuhonen9815]

This video is not entirely correct and I have a few issues with it. 1. Her government did NOT do a good job with covid. Not really. A big reason why we as Finns did well during covid compared to other European nations, is the culture here. We like personal space. Our cities are not crowded. We had less infected people even though it took longer for Marin's government to react, than it took other European nations. But the response our government had, was a total and utter mess. They were indecisive and slow to act. 2. You REALLY downplayed her "dancing video". The issue was not her dancing with friends. The issue was that she had a week long streak of partying while there were important energy price related meetings she was supposed to handle and make sure Finland is not struck with insane energy prices. Another issue was that her party friends were shouting "powder gang" in Finnish, raising suspicions of cocaine use. It did not help that she refused to take a hair based drug test. And the last issue here was that she let her party friends (small celebs) into Finnish government buildings to film inappropriate content for social media. 3. Her partying scandal was not her first scandal. She also abused a breakfast benefit meant for early morning meetings, by milking it for over a thousand euros a month. It won't crash our state budget, but it shows disrespect and losing touch with her voters. She is a leftist. Her whole political image is about being a cute girl from a poor background who knows what it is like to be poor. She knows the value of money unlike those out of touch tie wearing right wingers. So it really erodes that image, when she can casually spend tax payer money worth the entire minimum wage on her breakfast bill, and not feel guilty. 4. Any time she has been called out, she refuses to take responsibility. She plays the victim every time, and hides behind excuses that often sound delusional and out of touch. 5. Her clear interest in international fame and career, over serving Finland. She is much more interested in travelling to Europe and the states to take progressive ass kissing interviews with magazines, than she is in doing her job. That's why you all foreign fellows have such a good view of her. She spends 70% of her effort in her international image. She also always bows down to EU in favor of defending Finnish interests. This is because in the past she has been open about being more interested in a career at the EU than in Finland. It kind of pisses off Finnish voters. 6. The Finns party did not really moderate their image by changing leaders from Halla-Aho. Actually he was more popular as a leader. He was soft spoken, factually correct, educated, insanely polite and good at debates. The surge in popularity is down to the party kicking out some of the more lunatic representatives. These extremists have made their own parties with very little support. 7. The polls about Marin are not really accurate. They are based in the biggest cities, which are much more green/red leaning than conservative. A lot of the city dwellers are more liberal and progressive. To many of them, they defend Marin due to ideology rather than her being good at her job. But Finland is NOT densely populated. We have a lot of our population in more rural areas and their political opinions are vastly different from the people who live in the few big cities. (big by our standards, small cities by European standards).

[@juhajaakkonen2306]

Exactly this. I agree 100%. Not to mention that she and her party have previously been anti-NATO and the party has historically been liking Russians boots. Many Finns have been dissatisfied with her government's irresponsible debt-taking and economic policy. Fortunately, we can finally get rid of her and hopefully get this time a responsible prime minister.

[@Tyrgalon]

Tell me you didn´t like her from the start for personal reasons without saying it, so much nonsensical drible about things most people didn´t care about because they were none issues. She is even more popular now so your bias is not supported by facts.

[@Tyrgalon]

@@juhajaakkonen2306 Would you rather they nuked public services so average people suffer when the country was hit by both covid and the Ukraine war...? Conservative/right wing governments being better at economics is a complete myth they have spread themselves and is proven by factual statistics from countries all over the world and across decades. Both of you dissapoint me, I excepct better from my fellow usually well educated and informed Finns.

[@kmeanxneth]

​@@Tyrgalon you just said you are bias for her, without saying you are bias for her :) if you want facts. riikka purra got more votes than Marin got, so

[@KonstantinChikov]

Make a video on the Bulgarian political crisis. We had like 6votes in under 2years

[@happyelephant5384]

You are an Israel of Eastern Europe now ?)

[@timavoievodin3255]

not so much important

[@piebit101]

as an israeli this is relatable

[@Felineintuition]

​@@Ammar0000Romania: same 😅

[@cryptic2121]

And we just had another one too XD This joke isn’t funny anymore

[@MrTuamo]

There was also discussion about the rise of second generation gangs in major cities and heading towards Sweden’s problems here. And her comments about hornets while she was in Ukraine was also an issue.

[@4rct1c9Ic3m4n]

It was just a suggestion that maybe it can be discussed in Finland

[@theman2624]

@@4rct1c9Ic3m4n no it wasnt

[@shueibdahir]

I'm quite proud of the fact that Finland has been dealing with that issue really well. It's mostly an issue centered around the capital area. As a second generation immigrant i've noticed that the gang issue seems to stem from a problem of pooling large minority groups in single areas like itäkeskus, kontula, rastila, vuosaari, myyrmäki, martinlaakso. It creates an enviroment where there's a bunch of people who don't have the need to assimilate into the dominant culture. Add welfare checks to that problem and you now have a situation where most people won't even try learn the language, let alone joina the workforce. Sweden did the same thing but at a much larger scale and now it's backfired heavily. Entire neighbourhoods that can't be entered.

[@tezz2698]

​@@4rct1c9Ic3m4n a PM has to be mindful of their words. A maybe will be interpreted as a yes. She should not have said anything about our military equipment.

[@MrTuamo]

@@4rct1c9Ic3m4n it was still an issue that other parties used against her. She should know that it was not possible. She was (is) the PM anyway. But ppl are against that being a populist move cause she is bright and beautiful and her values are such as they are. Her popularity in europe rose just like when she uses quite strong language against Russia. We are still their neighbour and we should look more into future also. Considering that she was against Nato before this turn is also bit populistic. Older politicians are wiser I think. It still is a big country with a past that should be remembered. I don’t aggree with their actions but I would still be bit more carefull. We have a long border with them but I am also worried about what this all may lead to even if Russia would lose the war. What happens after that? What if that huge country should really fall apart? What happens to their nuclear weapons? What if their economy collapses and there is a major crisis? Maybe we should cross that bridge when we get there and now aim to end the war and stabilizenthe situation hopefully as peacefully as possible. Living in Finland just affects how one thinks. Or at least how I think.

[@wosse666]

I love how there is like 500 corrections in the comments from us Finns :'D "Gotta get it right mate"

[@franklinclinton4539]

Marin's government really failed in the economy aspect. Spending was way too high. The National Coalition won because they want to decrease spending by 6 billion. And people think it needs to be done.

[@niki75]

And it should. We're pouring FAR too much money into affairs that dont affect the Finnish people. We paid nearly 1.2 billion euros in foreign developmental aid (Kehitysapu) and what do we have to show for it? Nothing. And while I'm certainly not against immigration it should be work based. Not just for economic benefits. And there *needs* to be quotas for how many we can take in.

[@ItsAweeb]

The thing is none of the opposition parties actually provided shadow budget that could have prevented taking loans. The situation was not ideal, but the government did do acceptable job.

[@ItsAweeb]

@@neverepeatsbutrhymes What do you need to understand that historically speaking we have known to choose to starve over taking loans. (quite literally) There's a major stigma when it comes loans.

[@ItsAweeb]

@@neverepeatsbutrhymes oh i absolutely agree with that, i was just trying to illustrate how Finnish people see loans in general. A lot of the campaigns really pushed hard on fear mongering and while there was actually good points as well they were mixed with lets just politely call it bull poop.

[@ItsAweeb]

@@neverepeatsbutrhymes Ah damn being absolutely filled with forrests id assume we would have come up with that, but instead we have "magic money wall" funny how people do find similar nonsensical stuff to discredit keynesian economics.

[@KeijoAmbersson]

Many have already stated this, but it is indeed extremely rare for prime minister to remain in power for two terms. The fact that SDP actually gained seats speaks a lot for Marin's rockstar status (also partly thanks to tactical voting of course). I think the assesment of these being economically focsed electios is spot on. In addition I think part of it is down to green politics, particularly forestry and farm economics. The Greens lost badly, and so did the usually rural-focused Centre Party (Centre Party is traditionally the tractor/forest machine party). Centre party lost their voters to the Finns, as they worked in previous goverment with the Greens, which many saw as betraying their voters. Especially the pressure from EU on finnish forests as carbon sinks and natural preserves is seen by many as unreasonable, as the EU plan puts kind of unfair load on Finland and Sweden while central european countries are expected to do much less. Finnish welfare state miracle was built on forests, and many expected Centre Party to take stronger stand. Add to that the struggling farmers, and the Finns had an easy payday.

[@chardonnay5767]

This new batch of right wing voters are slowly learning that the centrist party always betrays everyone, they are no exception

[@jfirbfi3383]

The farmers practically own private businesses, and the Center party has not defended them and driven their cause when working with the left. The Centre Party basically played themselves, losing the faith and votes of most farmers.

[@kalmari.1269]

Sanna Marin was seen dancing with friends in a party in where people seemed to be using cocaine. She also was technically at work. Imagine getting a call about any crisis while likely being drunk.

[@petripuurunen2491]

Finland does not need rockstar - we need capable professional politician for prime minister. Social democratic party and Sanna Marin cost over 40 billion euros in just four years. Also, lots of false infomation about Sanna Marin. Former prime minister Antti Rinne got sick and had to give up his place to Sanna Marin. Latest scandal was about Sanna Marin promised finnish fighters to Ukraine without asking anybody else - including president who is responsible of foreign policy. "Dance-scandal" was about drugs.

[@sampohonkala4195]

Total bullshit. This was not a single party government, therefore blaming SDP for debt is stupid. Antti Rinne did not get sick, he had to resign as the Center party lost confidence in him - obviously you don't follow politics at all - Marin promised no fighter jets to anyone, she did not even promise the issue would be discussed in Finland, only said it could be. The dance 'scandal' did not have enough grounds for the police to even investigate if there was drugs - shouting about drugs in a video is perfectly legal in Finland. You can even sing of a murder, which used to be popular. Sanna Marin with a master's in administrative sciences and experience at the municipal level - leading the third largest city at the age of 27 - as well as being second term lawmaker when she started as PM, being a former minister etc. is by far the most professional PM we have had in recent decades.

[@GeorgeT96]

very good video, haven't heard much about Finland's election elsewhere!

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

finland is not really influental in international politics. the only reason they talk about this is because their PM is a pretty girl.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

​@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Eh, my national news shows talked about the Finnish elections Truth be told, without rhe Russian ruckus we might have not touched it, since they talked about the change of political scenery in Finland with its adhesion to NATO as the main focus

[@Wicky173]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Smart, intelligent, active, young women are a huge political driving force around the world today, with their focus on the welfare of the people instead of on "Big Business, Big Corporations and the extremely Wealthy. Happy healthy people are of far greater value to the country than profit-driven-business.

[@milaalaniva775]

​@@rizkyadiyanto7922 yep noone got this exited about Tarja Halonen 😂😂.

[@yarpen26]

It's not good at all, just check the comments: mistakes upon mistakes.

[@EuropeanAndrew]

Congratulations Finland for joining NATO! 🇬🇪🤝🏻🇫🇮

[@osheridan]

Hope Georgia can join the EU 🇬🇪

[@miguelpadeiro762]

​@Zaydan Alfariz Im sure Georgia can join whatever zone Ukraine is joining, Ukraine isn't becoming a full member, it's getting in a special zone first to acclimate first afaik...wartorn pseudo-democracy doesn't really fit the EU standarts, but Ukraine needs solidarity. I don't see why Georgia wouldn't join as well If only Turkey hadn't started de-kemalizing with all the fudamentalist policies of the new government, we could have had an EU spanning from Portugal to Armenia

[@insertnamehere5809]

They needed to & it's not as if the Russians haven't tried to invade Finland in the past (it was a part of Tsarist Russia)

[@Blitzkers99]

​@@osheridan Turkey,Hungary and France are extremely close allies of Russia,They will use Veto if Finland tries to go against Russia and Most Importantly Sana Marin Lost the election,The Far Right won the election which makes it worst for Nato countries

[@RabbitShirak]

Kiitos!

[@Miamcoline]

Good coverage! Thanks!

[@insertinsidejokehere5799]

Thanks for covering this

[@diegoyuiop]

Glad to see the Finns were worried about too much spending!

[@bertilhatt]

They are surprisingly concerned about government spending for a country where public work is so visible, so beneficial, and so appreciated. Education is the best in the world because teachers are better paid than engineers; healthcare is top-notch; infrastructure and public transport are impressive (in the South: the North is mostly forests and lakes); social work is fantastic too (and necessary: loneliness, drug use, and alcoholism are widespread issues). Taxes are high, but you absolutely get your money's worth. Finns once explained their homelessness policy: “We give them a home. It’s cheaper.” That extreme concision, Lutheran-appropriate amount of generosity, and focus on the most effective solution are very representative of their policies.

[@RabbitShirak]

@@juliushakala5148 well, not since it's been corroded by right-wing policies

[@diegoyuiop]

@@bertilhatt they're concerned about raising public debt, not spending per se. That is, spending more than they can afford (taxes might be high but that still doesn't cover for the government spending apparently)

[@diegoyuiop]

@@juliushakala5148 I'm not that sure a country in which engineers are paid less than teachers is an utopia anyway

[@temegron6695]

Yeah. About fricking time. Well, better late than never.

[@verneri1032]

Here it’s seen as a win, pm party made better result than in last election gained more popularity and got 3 seats more in parliament than 4 years ago, this happens very rarely.

[@JenniferA886]

Great video, thankyou 👍👍👍

[@laiska396]

The Finns Party hasn't really moderated their image under Riikka Purra, her policies are basically the same as her predecessor Jussi Halla-aho's. Also, the Finns Party still views leaving the EU as the long-term goal.

[@debater452]

Doubt that Finland will leave the EU the Finnish public dosen't support leaving

[@mokied]

Right wing populists are wrecking havoc everywhere.

[@OsmovaaraRyan]

The party's chairman has said herself how that particular goal isn't exactly realistic nor current and how only a rare number of Finns actually support it, at least at the moment. Its true tough that the party hasn't moderated that much compared to Halla-aho's line. More like other parties have come a step or two nearer to FP's policies, just as it has happened in Sweden.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

@@OsmovaaraRyan Not really. It has actually gone the opposite way. More support for immigration due to a shrinking workforce, more pro-EU after Russia's invasion and more support for action against climate change since it has turned out to be good business for the country. There's a reason the Finns didn't publish anything on their policies. They know that pretty much everything they stand for is deeply unpopular and that people are voting for the unknown out of discontent.

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Yes why would they? Immigration is still out of fucking control, ISLAMISM is still taking over Europe and Finland, as long as we are on track to hell, there should not be any moderation, there should be escalation of preventive measures to prevent this spiraling plane from crashing to Jihadistan. I don't want my country to turn to France, Great-Britain, Italy, where you have grooming gangs that have caused millions of rapes of tens of thousands of young kids (Great-Britain), no-go zones "states within states" that are leading to actual civil war (France) or cities so full of young muslim men that they are absolutely overwhelmed to the state of anarchy (Italy)

[@Karpaneen]

One big reason for the downfall of Sanna Marin (and SDP) was her public image. Even tough Marin could be seen as an extremely popular PM to foreign audience, she was and still is a very polarizing personality. Her arrogance and unapologetic nature on every scandal must have increased the popularity of the opposition parties. Especially among men. For an example, she was caught paying her and her family's breakfast meals with taxpayer money. Technically legal yes, but it was considered distasteful and hypocritical for a PM from a "workers party" with a huge monthly salary and other benefits. Rather than admitting her lapse of judgement, she became very hostile towards the media and even ordinary people who critizised her. Also on many occations she explained critizism towards her as being just sexism. Also during the debates before the election, she was semi-openly telling the public that her party will increase taxes rather than cut the spending, which was really worrying for many citizens who are fed up on the already huge tax rates of Finland.

[@CorporalCookie]

I would hardly call it a downfall when the party gained seats and she was re-elected. Wasnt a win, its just that NCP had even larger gains from the loss of support from other parties.

[@Karpaneen]

@@CorporalCookie Yeah maybe a "downfall" wasn't the right term. However her action/public image must have motivated opposition's voters to get up and vote.

[@trinex123]

Can't see anything wrong with partying. She has her own personal life, like everyone else.

[@XGD5layer]

​@@Karpaneen Voting was on the same level as the last election, if not lower. The main discernable difference compared to last election, when the topics favoured SDP and the smaller parties' more human image, is that the topics this time were more fiscally focused.

[@maxxon99]

@@CorporalCookie they gained seats by cannibalizing votes from the other leftist parties. On the whole the leftist block lost 9 seats.

[@jemleye]

It's particularly notable that while the Finnish politics has for most time been dominated by rather similarly outlooked three major parties, becoming more polarized only lately, it is absolutely expected that the previous prime minister party will lose the next election. Paradoxically, this means that most often the prime minister party changes a lot and often in Finnish politics. In fact, despite their loss, the SDP under Marin achieved only THE THIRD TIME in THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF FINLAND that the sitting prime minister PARTY ACTUALLY GREW in their next election. Yes, some claim it was only because of tactical voting, but that is simply not true, at least the full truth. SDP did still something right by growing their share of votes, when the other coalition partners lost their share. It is a complicated issue without a single clear answer, but the fact remains that the SDP still exceeded expectations by a lot. We'll see what the government will end up looking like soon, but few weeks might be a bit optimistic.

[@RabbitShirak]

NC will form a government with either Basic Finns or Social Democrats. Otherwise they create a minority government, which don't usually last for long.

[@kungavaen]

From a Finns point of view Marin seems to be a lot more popular abroad than in Finland. She has done things as Finnish prime minister that anyone, literally ANYONE else would have been kicked for. She's got that critical boost from social media and legacy media to stay immune.

[@artimkalash3347]

yea most of my Finnish friends really dont like her, but internationally she's loved for some reason.

[@timohamalainen1138]

She's super popular in Finland even after the term compared to any of the previous ones

[@kyou42]

Maybe that's your bubble. In my bubble everyone likes her. But as mentioned, she has a really high approval rating which is a better measurement than either of our anecdotal evidences.

[@esanahka9284]

@@zUJ7EjVD Approval just means they don't hate her guts. If she was as popular as the approval implied she would have gotten re-elected as after all she got like 19.9% of the votes as opposed to the 20.8 of the winning party.

[@mexlo1001]

Sanna "Kisuneiti" Marin 😩💯🙌

[@theconqueringram5295]

This is what I like about these multi-party parliamentary republics. There's a lot of coalitions, compromise and cooperation. It's not perfect, but better than the crap show we have in the US.

[@topi2209]

True tho

[@jfirbfi3383]

American politics is a fucking shit show

[@prkp7248]

But there is a problem in this - no matter what happens, at the end centrist with their business as usual economy are in power.

[@Chokwik]

also there was the Uniper mess, which didn't look too good for the pm and govt.. but if the leading party changed, it's just the natural laws of ping pong

[@tezz2698]

The party video was far from the only controversy she had.

[@Scumboogie]

Lots of scandals but people choose not to remember those because she's so kawaii :3

[@mooney3350]

Honestly though, there's not that many things people without political gain (ie right parties) thought of controversial. It was mostly noise from those that already were never going to vote for her... I think the part this video got the most right is that the rest of the party is uninteresting, and even then they gained seats, but to be sure at expense of other left parties.

[@ilmarinen79]

Gone are the days when a single 'wrong' txt message ended your minister position. Snake culture now.

[@DuBstep115]

@@Scumboogie kawaii WEF puppet who tried to destroy Finland

[@mollythesock]

she had many small irrelevant contreversies the new pm on the other hand is a neonate

[@lorettawatkins5024]

Love this channel!

[@aki3774]

Marin never won the elections before either. SDP won the elections in 2019 but then the party leader Antti Rinne became the prime minister. He stepped down after he was gaught lying and Marin inherited the position. She was the 6th popular candidate in 2019 elections. She always seemed more like a social media influencer than a decision maker. I don't get her hype in foreign media, because her political actions and accomplishments do not justify it.

[@LapinskasDarius]

those other 3 prime ministers were 37 at the time of the start in the office?

[@Psi-Storm]

@@elfrjz Sebastian Kurz was elected Austrian Chancellor at 31 years, i hope she doesn't become just as infamous.

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@swedishmetalbear]

The exact same thing happened in Sweden last year.

[@cryptic2121]

Please talk about the elections in Bulgaria too. We kinda have a political crisis so it could be interesting seeing your take on it

[@kasperilindroos2370]

''Perus Suomalaiset'' doesn't mean 'True Finns''. It means ''Basic Finns''.

[@GegoXaren]

We still say "Sannfinländarna" here in Sweden.

[@rizka7945]

Ordinary Finns or Common Finns are the best translations.

[@YksiSuomalainen]

@@Valokaari I believe that intentionally false translation was made by foreign establishment media trying to portray 'The Ordinary Finns"-Party as more radical than it really is.

[@digitalatom6433]

8:09 "Coalition negotiations are expected to last a few weeks" Me, a dutchman: *spits out coffee* Excuse me?! Can we get some of that please? Last coalition negotiations here took *8+ months*. Meanwhile, in Belgium: "Uh, so you actually have a government?"

[@bertilhatt]

An idea for an explainer: *explain what is the Center party*. It’s unique to Nordic politics and has counterintuitive positions. They aren’t really the “politically centre,” as you mention: they are more pro-decentralisation, and what Europeans typically call Liberal (free-enterprise, ambivalent on social issues). They are a staple of government coalition because their position is compatible with traditional Social and Conservative positions. Still, they might not have achieved as much as one would hope for being in power so often.

[@RabbitShirak]

They were an absolutely horrible government partner last time because of their horrendous election results.

[@seneca983]

The Finnish Center Party isn't Liberal. They're socially more conservative that the main center-right party (National Coalition) and they also favor the state more actively managing the economy.

[@bertilhatt]

@@seneca983 That's what I mean when saying they aren't a very legible political force.

[@jonhoward4884]

Yep, she is Finnish'ed.

[@McSlobo]

Left lost because the right side succeeded to set the tone of discussion: budget cuts.

[@forzer45]

On a side note, the centre party is also a major rural peoples/farmers party, so they battle with the finns party of rural votes also.

[@emmairons2180]

Nice video. You should make a video about politics in Bulgaria. Bulgaria is in a parliamentary crisis- the government is not able to form a coalition, hence- a parliament. Last week we had the 5th parliamentary elections in the last 2 years.

[@nenasiek]

Didnt know that, I watch dw and France 24 and they havent brought it up either (as far as I know) Would be interesting to learn about it

[@patrickuotinen]

3:52 Did I undestand correctly, that you claimed that the offshoot of the Finns party, the Blue party, did well in 2019? The Blue party lost all of it's MPs, who all had defected from the Finns party, but the Finns party got a win of one MP, meaning it gained as many seats it had before the Blues had defected, plus one.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

That's not the definition of a semi-presidentialist system. Semi-presidentialism means the head of state has some power,, much like France, whereas constitutional republics/monarchies or full parliamentarian systems mean the head of state is a ceremonial figurehead with very little power. It does not mean the head of state and head of government are both elected. This is very basic.

[@peagames2002]

You misunderstood Blue Party. Blue Party existed only during Centre Party's government, however during 2019 elections Blue Party didn't get a single seat on parlament. This was due their betrayal of Finn's Party as they had pushed Finn's Party from government and replaced it with Blue Party with most of the leaders from Finn's Party, leaving Jussi Halla-Aho as party lead who they treated as "useful fool". However they underestimated Jussi's determination of keeping Finn Party's integrity and kept working towards fixing what was broken within, meanwhile dealing with constant criticism from other parties who knew little to nothing of the party. After Jussi retired from spokesperson seat of Finn's Party, Riikka Purra was chosen to be his successor (which I believe has its little downsides, although she is equally as determined as he is), from there Jussi has been watching from back seat to see how Finn's Party survives. Also, RKP or swedish party wasn't part of this government. There were only 4 parties on government, SDP, greens, centrist and lefts.

[@t-pnaminami3808]

The Soini backstab will go down in history as one of the worst betrayals in Finnish politics.

[@JussiValkila]

RKP was/is part of Marin's government

[@-Finlandia]

RKP is/was in the Marin government though, so the last paragraph is completely wrong.

[@Khantia]

Bulgaria also had elections last Sunday.

[@jhosioja]

The fact that SDP gained seat and Marin got the second most votes in the country shows a bit how relatively well she did. Usually when there's a shift after an election, the previous PM and their party absolutely tanks, but while a shift occurred, she and her party remained fairly strong and only the coalition collapsed.

[@Wezqu]

The main reason why SDP lost the highest party position was nothing else than people being unhappy with The Center Party and their former voters decided to vote True Finns or NCP. SDP won at the elections they just were not the biggest winner. People are really missing the real reason why NCP won and it was not really anything to do with SDP but the failure of The Center Party to hold its own voters.

[@RabbitShirak]

@@Wezqu It feels like the Centre party has been through an identity crisis of sorts, since they fell from ”the big three”.

[@t-pnaminami3808]

@@Wezqu The far-left voted tactically for Marin and a bunch of right-liberal Greens voted NCP. In a normal election without factionalist politics, NCP and Finss would have still gained seats and she would have lost them, but Left Alliance and Greens would have lost less. It's a function of the way we count votes.

[@moisuomi]

@@Wezqu So what you are basically saying is Perussuomalaiset ja Kokoomus won? 😂😂😂😂😂 You contradict yourself bud.

[@Wezqu]

​@@moisuomi If you gain seats you are considered a winner in the elections SDP gained seats so they are a winner in the election they just weren't the largest winner. So no I did not contradict myself you just did not understand what I wrote.

[@Doilem]

What I found the most amazing about this election were all the Americans on twitter amazed that all the votes could be counted in one day.

[@McSlobo]

Another amazing things: there's an automatic re-count to verify results which has been completed already. I guess things are just simpler when there's no voting machines. On the other hand, Americans I believe vote on multiple matters in one election which makes count more difficult.

[@Maplelust]

there's only like 15 people in Finland.

[@radeee87]

@@Maplelust so then there is about 800 people in USA. Also the amount of votes, or voters don't matter. The amount of counters matter. You can compare Finland to lets say Minnesota. Does Minnesota count votes in one evening?

[@sampohonkala4195]

I have been three times in the election board of a precinct, and after the premises close, the counting of votes immediatelly starts. This is how it can go: we put tables together and the box is emptied on the table and checked that it is empty. Then you start arranging the votes in piles by the number around the edge of the table. A separate pile is for those where the marking is not absolutely clear (the numbers are drawn by hand) or is irrelevant (Donald Duck always gets a vote or two). As there may be a dozen members arranging the votes, representing different parties, counting a few thousand votes does not tke that long. Then we go through the ballots where the marking is not clear and decide if they are valid or not - there are not that many, so it does not really affect the result, but of course has to be solved as well as possible. The chairman then announces the result of the precinct, the ballots are packed and sent for a recount. The central board is informed of the result. When the official results come out, you will notice that the result of your precinct is the same as what you counted yourself, and therefore you know the voting has been fair and accurate. Nowadays an increasing number of votes are cast in advance, and counting of those votes starts during the election day, so that it is done when the premises close. Therefore a preliminary result can be given at once. However, supporters of different parties are different - some like to vote in advance, for some it is a tradition to go voting on the election day. Therefore the preliminary result is never accurate. Also thoe votes are cast a week earlier, so last minute changes in the political atmosphere may change the course of voting.

[@Fritha71]

@@radeee87 They definitely used to! Americans used to be able to tell the results before the morning after just like we do - but suddenly, for some reason, 2020 changed all that.

[@cgt3704]

Reddit simps will surely cry after hearing this news Edit: also can you cover the Montenegrin and Bulgarian election. They happened at the same time as the finnish one

[@TheWebstaff]

Well the PM's world swimsuit calender 2024 just be the same without her though.. 😭

[@Manka2]

She might create an Onlyfans account.

[@Jari470]

@@TheWebstaff I don't know. Maybe PM Orpo can surprise you.

[@Kauppi2]

​@@TheWebstaff she's average/basic becky in Finland, but i can understand Anglos simping for her judging by their women looks...

[@Wicky173]

That was a brilliantly informative explanation, Fins appear to be generally sensible people and the voting system used seems democratically sound, however, it never ceases to amaze me, how universally, people believe in the myth that Their Conservative Party is the more fiscally responsible Party, but, again, universally this is almost always not true!

[@WRAAAMmh]

I don't know so so much about fiscal policies, especially around the world, but the Coalition party seems to mostly be conservative in the sense that they want to limit government spending, and thus you could call them "responsible". I appreciate the Finnish welfare system but it has its downsides too and I think the Coalition party is a necessary counterbalance to the more ideologically driven SPD and leftist parties of Finland which are more about ensuring the growth of welfare and fighting for human rights. Finns party on the other hand is more value conservative and seems to lack a coherent party program, other than being opposed to leftist politics.

[@castor3020]

Thats because you and the people you are talking about are mixing cultural politics with economic ones. Conservativism =/= Free market capitalism.

[@franekkkkk]

@@WRAAAMmh the idea of balance in politics is dumb and a plague on democracy

[@Wicky173]

@@WRAAAMmh I believe that a happy healthy, up-and-running country will well outperform a greedy, profit-driven one.

[@ratatatuff]

@@WRAAAMmh It's always the conservative parties that claim to be against government spending that ramp up the deficit. It's like the Republicans who claim to be fiscal hawks but always leave a financial mess for their successors to clean up.

[@DrLowHouse]

Sanna Marin is what you get when you order politician from Wish.

[@janhanchenmichelsen2627]

Very normal in a proportional representation, multiparty, parliamentary system. Marin did well, gained a seat and was very close to winning. Just not close enogh. But with the collapse of the Centre party, a "block system" is emerging, more similar to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. BTW: The president’s power has been gratually reduced ever since Kekkonen left office in 1981 after ruling for 25 years.

[@xanathem7]

Okay TLDR News is just too sloppy to be taken seriously, ridiculous mistakes like mixing up the greens and centre 4:20, the excessive loaded language, showing the 2019 election results but not the 2023 ones. 3:52 Then with the whole Finns party / Blue party debacle: the blue party did not come in second, they got 1% of the vote and 0 seats, the Finns part came in second with 39 seats. But then of course a sentence later you continue as if the Finns party did come in second (which they did). So I am unsure what was attempted to be said here. So please, for the love of God, JUST DO A BASIC FACT CHECK BEFORE UPLOADING THE VIDEO.

[@knightshade2654]

I used to watch TLDR news fairly often in 2020 and 2021, but the regular video errors continued to way me down. It is disappointing to see that basic errors are still so prevalent.

[@kmeanxneth]

from experience many medias don't like finn party, so this is expected but yeah is bad. (finn party don't do the things what mainstream media want)

[@t-pnaminami3808]

A part of the problem is the language barrier and lack of reliable foreign news sources on Finnish politics which lead to multiple mistakes and lacks in the facts of the video and in foreign news in general, but the things you pointed out could have been fixed with a simple fact check which they failed to do.

[@glennjohansson4051]

As the election was mostly about the economy, I think it is highly unlikely that the National Coalition will form a coalition government with the SDP, as they disagree widely on economic policy. The best outcome for the NC would be a coalition formed of the current opposition parties (100 seats) together with either the Center Party or the Swedish People's Party. The Center lost massively, so they probably won't join. The SPP have also said that a coalition with the Finns is possible, as long as they aren't the prime minister party

[@mattivirtanen4043]

That might be hard. Finns-party and Swedish party disagree from status of Swedish language in Finland. And for center-party might be more benefical to stay opposition than be included in goverment again. There is tendency in Finland that opposition parties increase their popularity in next election

[@glennjohansson4051]

@@mattivirtanen4043 They do disagree on language politics, but if I remember correctly Purra said that the issue of pakkoruotsi is not one of their main priorities in this term, so the Finns will probably be willing to let that issue go in order to get into the coalition. Far more difficult is the parties' views on immigration and the EU, which are major issues for the Finns right now. Honestly, the Swedes could go either way.

[@jarnvag1564]

This all sounds weirdly similar to Swedens election outcome

[@FaceFish9]

It is, because Marin's politics have been too left leaning for alot people and her controversies which would have left every other minister the option to resign did not help.

[@puhistagram]

We are weirdly similar, my brother. 😉

[@moustachio05]

​@@FaceFish9 no policy is too left leaning we need more left leaning policies across the world this countries voters are idiots

[@esanahka9284]

@@puhistagram We really aren't

[@puhistagram]

@@esanahka9284 I know Esa, we are not.

[@hyperteleXii]

The president of Finland is also the supreme commander of its military.

[@sampohonkala4195]

During peace time, yes. At war the president only commands his own shoes.

[@hyperteleXii]

@@sampohonkala4195 False. Finnish constitution 128 § "Tasavallan presidentti on Suomen puolustusvoimien ylipäällikkö. Presidentti voi valtioneuvoston esityksestä poikkeusoloissa luovuttaa ylipäällikkyyden toiselle Suomen kansalaiselle." The president can delegate that power under exceptional circumstances, but nowhere does it say the power is limited to peacetime.

[@moisuomi]

“Supreme commander”, what? 😂😂😂😂 This sounds like a space villain.

[@smb123211]

Finland excels in coalitions and leadership changes (which may explain its incredible success). We lived in Finland a while and it was just such a nice place. Despite being a high-tax social democracy home ownership was higher than the US and for the third year in a row it was the "happiest" country. It starts early. It's common to have the same teacher in every elementary grade. Schools serve healthy meals and a doctor and dentists are available in schools. Teaching is a valued profession and unlike the US, the union encourages out of the box thinking. Students must study religion for nine years (their own as well as others). There are virtually no private or religious schools in the country. We liked to shop at the small makeshift stands where young people sell fresh berries - no tax, no certificate needed, no hindrance. But those winters - glad to return to the US.

[@revolution1423]

No place in Europe allows you to think outside of the box, otherwise Germany would be free of guilt.

[@smb123211]

@@revolution1423 This response has nothing to with "thinking outside the box" (which, of course has nothing to do with blame, guilt or intent) It's so odd I don't know what to say

[@revolution1423]

@@smb123211 "encourages out of the box thinking" huh? So if you challenge events in WWII that will be entertained? No. It's limited free speech.

[@mikojarvinen6273]

@@revolution1423 Thinking outside of the box means at least in Finnish language creativity. You’re able to use multiple viewpoints and absolutely not political.

[@smb123211]

@@revolution1423 What is wrong with you? This has nothing do with history! It''s new solutions for problems such as poor school attendance, individual learning, relating math to the real world, etc It can also apply to everyday life - music practice, exercise, maintaining Moore's law, searching for exoplanets, diet. Anything EXCEPT rambling about WWII.

[@puranenkaapo]

Good video!

[@fonkinstubbleduck9163]

Your pronunciation of the names made my day.

[@kurolotus4851]

Fairly good job TLDR! This is best report on the subject in english language media. Not just in terms of UK, US, but also in terms of non-natively english-speaking english language media in countries like France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Sweden and Norway. However, couple notes: in 0:35 you guys said something along the lines of: 'as 34 year-old Marin was BY FAR youngest ever prime minister'. However in 1991, Esko Aho (center party) was elected as 36 year-old to be prime minister, and Jyrki Katainen (NCP) was elected as 39 year-old in 2011. So she is the youngest, but not with that wide margin. I just wanted to point that out to the viewers. Finnish political analysists have been saying for about a halfof year that Marin's coalition has been kept alive thanks to war in Ukraine. Either the greens or the centre party would have likely left the coalition if there wasn't war in Ukraine. They don't want to be put to finnish history books as the political party which coudn't cooperate during national crisis (=war in Ukraine, which is considered as security threat also to Finland). Had either the greens or the centre party left the coalition, the coalition wouldn't have been majority in parliament anymore. This was due the fact that the greens and the centre party had (and still have) different political goals. The center party is agrarian party traditionally supported by rural voters and people from regional capitals, whereas the greens are environmentalist heavily Helsinki metropolian area -focused party. Marin's coalition has made really environmentalist/green politics such as banning peat burning as energy source (peat is the biomaterial found in swamps between the plant layer and the actual soil. Peat collecting using tractors/special machines in significant sector of economy (where new jobs were created) country wide in rural Finland, because there's lot of swamps all over country. Peat is also used on dairy industry, because peat is really healthy (and relatively cheap) option for cows to lay in (it prevents infections to their udders), increasing fuel prices due added taxes and increased biofuel portion requirement to the gas. They have also limited forest owners ability to cut down their own forest for lumber (came to effect starting at Jan 2023). Limits on lumber cutting have caused record boom on forest cut down pre 2023 (at least in my area). And these goverment's green policies haven't really helped the greens (like they normally would have) in the eyes of wider public, because Sanna Marin is soooooo progressive that they count them as her political victories. So, during 2019-2023 Marin's coalition has done record amount of environmental policies which green party voters normally like, but in practice green party's support has decreased over these years (in polls) while they likely changed to support Sanna Marin's SDP. This has caused the greens to slash against the centre party with even harsher environmental policy goals, and the centre party has slashed back by trying to limit harshness (at least in their eyes) of these environmental policies. Marin has tolerated this in-fighting and stayed in sidelines as 'the sensible one' while reaping political benefits. During the campaign, Marin and also her party in general, campaigned against NCP+the Finns coalition goverment which they referred as 'sinimusta hallitus = blue-black coalition goverment'. However, the colors of these parties are blue (NCP) and light-blue (the Finns). In media, this was seen as her implying that the coalition (not just the Finns, but the whole coalition) was fascist since blue and black are the colors of well-known finnish fascist (non-political party) social movement between 1929-1932 and it's political party equivalent PPM (IKL in finnish) from 1932-1944. And what makes this accusation more serious is the fact that in 2022 finnish political party got a new member. This party was 'sinimusta liike = blue-black movement' which regards itself as 'neo-fascist white-nationalist party' whose leader openly regards himself (and his party in general) as racists and facists. So, Marin and SDP campaigned against possible NCP+the Finns coalition which they perceived being fascistic in nature. During last debates, Orpo even asked Marin to apologise for referring him and NCP in general as fascists. Marin agreed to an non-apology by apologising that her words had made Orpo feel that he deserves an apology (not the fact that she implied him being a fascist). Some SDP supporters have now backtracked this position by saying that Marin meant only the Finns party. Okay, but doesn't that imply that NCP and Orpo are then at least semi-fascistic fascist-sympathizers since they have open to being in coalition with the Finns party??? Why would SDP want to be in the coalition led by people who sympathize with fascism? This is question which Sanna Marin's SDP has to answer in coming weeks. During their campaign, or before the official campaign had even begun, SDP agreed to yearly budget cuts of 0.2 billion euros (which was even less than socialist party) while Orpo's party informed that they will agree to 6 billion euro budget cuts (from yesrly spending). This (prevention of budget cuts) was also one of SDP's main campaign promises against perceived future 'fascist coalition'. With this promise SDP caused left-wing block's (the greens and socialists) share of parliement members to drop by 12 while they only gained 3 new seats. Socialist made their worst performance since 1945 despite having really popular leader also in their party. So, all-in-all Sanna Marin managed to get Finland a historically right-wing parliement by stabbing her own political allies to back (they are absolutely furious at her about this), by calling her political opponents fascists and with this action rallying NCP's and the Finns' supporter to defend their parties from such accusations. I am sure that Sanna Marin gets to be in coalition goverment with such performance (heavy sarcasm), at least one of SDP's vice chairmen is all-ready agreeing to supporting 6 billion budget cuts despite aggressively campaigning against them in election (typically vice-chairmen and other party high-ups signal to prime ministrial candidate party (NCP in this case) what concessions their party is willing to make in order to get into a coalition). If that isn't definition of populism, I wonder if populism even exists.

[@kmeanxneth]

no, this is not good job, this video have many problems (this is from a finn)

[@kurolotus4851]

@@kmeanxneth But much better than other english (language) reports from mainstream media.

[@t-pnaminami3808]

@@kurolotus4851 Compared to the rest? Yes. Compared to reality? No.

[@ilmarinen79]

Spot on!

[@Somebodyherefornow]

🤓

[@mikitz]

Not everyone in Finland was sad to see the dems and the greens lose. Not by a long shot. The people have spoken and now we'll probably get a descent government.

[@jurgnobs1308]

a descent one for sure lol

[@TheZoomari]

"we`ll probably get a decent(WTF?) government" That part alone shows how utterly partisan and devoid of reality your comment is. Marin`s government faced the hardest circumstances, way harder than any previous government, since WWII. Covid, global inflation, energy crisis, Ukraine war, just to name the biggest issues. Still, even during this spring several polls showed up to 55-65% of the Finnish people were satisfied with the governments` performance, so people indeed did show strong approval. Especially Marin`s government (with pres.Niinistö) leading Finland to Nato was highly appreciated by the Finns. But sure, the government parties did lose the election, as so often happens in Finland and now the opposition parties have to show what they can do. The easy time of shouting slogans from the sidelines is over.

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@TheZoomari no, a descent one. it's going down lol

[@man4437]

Hell naw bruh I'm moving out of this fuckin country. Far right politics on the rise and neoliberalism out the ass destroying hard-fought-for social programs. I have no clue why people think Kokoomus is going to change anything for the better. All they're going to do is make the country better for foreign capital with no upside for the average person.

[@sonnyblc7287]

I thought the party girl was quite popular there ?

[@delavan9141]

As an outside observer, it seems weird that a video purports to discuss why Marin "lost." And you've got three major parties all within about a percentage point between them, vote-wise. Seems pretty obvious that leaderships will swap around quite regularly. And well, there's the problem of clickbait.

[@pentti3715]

4:20 Actually the light green is the green league and the darker green with more MPs is the center party.

[@zurielsss]

Her party may have lost, but Sanna will party on 🎉

[@freezedeve3119]

Sanna is loyal party girl

[@moisuomi]

Lol she stepped down as party leader

[@zurielsss]

@Zaydan Alfariz No one cares about some Brunei Sultan

[@Eppu_Paranormaali]

In Finnish election discourse anyone who increase their share of votes/legislators is considered a winner (losing seats = loser). That's what happened to SDP and especially Marin, so it's misleading to say she lost. The former government coalition wasn't an option because the Centre party was leaving the government already in multiple occasions, while it was clear they would lose their hold in Finnish politics. It's indeed likely that SDP forms a new government with the National Coalition whose leader Orpo will of course be the prime minister as the biggest party, if the Centre won't again give in their promise to go to opposition after a clear cut defeat.

[@RabbitShirak]

I think Centre going to the opposition might be their best option.

[@perapertti1992]

A couple of corrections to the video: 1. The Finnish people voted for the parliament, not for the prime minister or the government. Even though usually the biggest party becomes the party with the prime minister, there is no law stating that it should be like that. The biggest party just starts the negotiations to form a government. The government is then formed through a vote in parliament, which instates a government that can have any composition. A government can also be formed of politically non-aligned people, although such governments have not occurred in some decades. 2. In 2019 the "blue party" did not do "pretty well". The "blue party" got 0 MPs in 2019 and their more recent offshoot "korjausliike" also got 0 MPs now in 2023. The Finns party came second in 2019 and it was chaired by Halla-aho, the guy who won the vote in 2017 for the chairmanship of the Finns and after that vote the party split into two. Voters were not very kind to the around 20 MPs who left the Finns party and remained in the government as the "blue party" offshoot. 3. The Swedish People's Party is usually labeled as right-leaning, although this naturally comes down to the definition of what is "right-leaning" or "left-leaning". Traditionally it is about economic policies and in this sphere, I think it, would be hard to argue that the Swedish Party would be left-leaning. The Swedish People's Party has virtually one agenda and it is to advance the interests of the Swedish speaking minority and hence, as long as these interests are secured in the deals, any Government composition goes. Be it left-leaning or right-leaning. 4. This also explains why the Swedish People's Party's popularity looks like the EKG of a dead person, traditionally about 4,5 %. And why they actually did not lose any seats in 2023, even though the video claimed that all government parties lost in the elections. 5. I am not sure whether the Finns have "moderated their image" to any degree. In the pre-election discussions Marin implied that the Finns and National Coalition would make up a fascist government. She has also refused co-operation with the Finns. Whether this statement will hold or not remains to be seen, especially as Marin is going to vacate the chair of the SDP. 6. No-one has advocated "getting debt to GDP to 60 % in a single term (4 years)". The National Coalition has stated that they will want to form the Government from the basis of 6 billion euros of spending cuts during their term and this should be followed by further cuts of 3 billion during the 2027-2031 parliament. And the basic reasoning for this is that it would, ceteris paribus, balance the budget. The Finns have had more ambiguous statements, but have generally signalled willingness for cuts. The SDP on the other hand has been very negative towards cuts and the SDP's way to fix the Finnish economy was/is based on getting higher growth levels for the Finnish economy, which would naturally also help in balancing the budget if high growth rates would somehow be obtained. But yeah, all in all, most newspapers seem to be betting that the Government would have National Coalition, The Finns, the Swedes and the Christian Democrats. That would come to 109 seats (Åland traditionally goes with the Swedes and they have one seat). The problem with this is that the Finns are not very positive towards the Swedish pet projects in Finland. And the Swedes are not positive towards the Finns being negative towards their pet projects. The Finns would probably want to form the government with the Centre and the National Coalition, but the Centre lost so many seats that they might want to just go to the opposition and try and fish votes from the Finns and the National Coalition. At the end of the day, with good opposition politics the Centre might regain its footing against the Finns and the National Coalition. In the government there is less for them to win, especially as they got managed to get the Social and Health reform through during the past parliamentary cycle. The SDP+National Coalition were quite far from each other in terms of the public finances and getting these differences sorted out might prove difficult. On the other hand, if the SDP backs down somewhat from its earlier stances (mainly that they do not go to the same Government with the Finns), it would at least make for an interesting government if the National Coalition+the Finns+the SDP would form it together. But this seems quite unlikely.

[@attiepollard7847]

Please the voters are not stupid they know that they vote for the party not the prime Minister but the person who is leading a party is the face of the party. I do not understand why you are peeing parliamentarians do not understand that. Someone has to be the face of the party in order for the message to get through

[@michael506]

Youngest Prime Minister to get thrown out. 👍🏻 Another record!

[@aleksihirvonen4967]

Marin's SDP didn't offer any solutions in growing debt and interest problem. They wanted to keep spending and increasing government money spending (more debt) while hoping that economy somehow grows. They also introduced more taxes, which Finland has already one of the most in the world. Winning party wanted to reduce taxing in the work/entrepreneurs which would heal economy, also cutting of our massive governmental institution. Peoples here had enough of socialism.

[@Miku-2020]

well the dancing wasn't the only scandal. there were government fund missuse and also suspected drug abuse what wasn't handled within normal procedures. also that 60+% doesn't represent all people because not that many follow Gallups and most of "predictions" and statistics are based on Gallups and what it seems like SDP bases many things on these Gallups.

[@babstra55]

except that none of that was true, but stuff made up on two nationalist online forums and then uncritically printed by the tabloids. as a result sanna marin's popularity increased. in general any analysis based on claiming that sanna marin did something unpopular instantly fails against the facts that both SDP and sanna marin INCREASED seats and votes from 2019.

[@ilmarinen79]

@@babstra55 None of yours is true.

[@incumbentvinyl9291]

4:13 - This is actually wrong. RKP leans to the right. They are fairly liberal, but due to their economic and some would claim elitist policies in that regard, they tilt to the right and are by no means a ''left leaning party''. Neither is Keskusta.

[@jackerty]

Although SDP lost in seats in vote share matter is pretty close. 20.8% KOK, 20.1% PS, 19.9% SDP. Bigger problem with SDP is get more younger voters in next election. Right now PS does not have that problem.

[@hieutranminh3277]

As Sebastian (among others) have commented, the Swedish People's Party and its partner, the Åland Coalition have historically worked with everyone in exchange for minority rights. So a KOK-PS-RKP coalition doesn't seem that far-fetched. Obviously, I don't know much about Finnish politics, so feel free to add more down below.

[@sampohonkala4195]

The Finns party is openly against the Swedish language in Finland. The Swedish people's party has been very smart by stating that they will not be in a government that promotes the policies of the Finns party - by saying so they keep the focus on the substance, not the party. But in reality that means they are not going to form a coalition with the Finns party.

[@finnwraith5319]

​​​​​@@sampohonkala4195Finns Party have pointed out people do not need to learn Swedish everywhere in Finland anymore a lot of places almost nobody speaks it as a first language anymore So why is it still manditory to learn it everywhere While The ideas Finns Party believes in might be seen as conterversal majority of Finns agree that learning Swedish should not be manditory

[@sampohonkala4195]

@@finnwraith5319 Almost every school subject in Finland is mandatory. The purpose of mandatory subject is to guarantee everyone skills that they would likely need or find helpful later in their lives. Sweden is the closest neighbor and among the very top trading partners both in exports and imports.. Then there is the domestic use of it and the fact that prior to 1863 practically all official documentation in Finland was in Swedish; therefore in higher education of society, law or history you need Swedish. It is sinply considered the most important language after English, which is also mandatory. You might have proper reasons for not supporting mandatory Swedish, but the problem with the Finns party is that they take a racist stance against it and have members that argue that even the Swedish speakers should abandon their language and understand that Finland is only for Finnish speakers. Swedish speakers should move to Sweden. That far right nationalism is the issue.

[@RabbitShirak]

@@sampohonkala4195 …in Sweden Finns use english most of the time. Never in my life have I needed swedish in work, school (except for swedish lessons naturally), hobbies or travelling. It's a waste of recources. Giving swedish a minority language status would be far more logical.

[@sampohonkala4195]

@@RabbitShirak Never in my life have I needed school chemistry which was also mandatory. Still I fon't call it waste of time, as I know people that have gone to that field in university and there are people who need it to get started in their studies. The same is true about the Swedish language. You have used English, I know people that have gon to Sweden to work or study and need the language.

[@Greenbackster]

The Center voters switched to vote the Finns. Smaller coalitions supported SDP but unfortunately same time gave many last seats to the Finns and National Coalition. From two versions of tactical voting SDP gained only stronger 3rd place and not the 1st. Sad.

[@davidsummer8631]

Also there where people who voted SDP in the last election but this time voted Finns Party

[@Greenbackster]

@@davidsummer8631 Must be extremely rare because these parties voters are so far from each others in values (most of are from the Finns).

[@davidsummer8631]

@@Greenbackster Not really both parties have a working class voter base the people who I work with who did swap from SDP to Finns Party one of the reasons they did that because they didn't think that the SDP where addressing issues with immigration issues because its the working class who suffer the most when a immigration system is not working correctly.

[@Greenbackster]

I don't know where are you David from but I have lived my whole life in Finland and therefore at least I have an inside perspective. Not to underrate you :)

[@Aurinkohelmi]

You can´t even truly say lost, as SDP got more votes and places than last time. But yes for keeping the 1st place.

[@axoloneidolon4702]

It was about damn time...for the Finns to come to their senses.

[@Ant-tx2ej]

She was never even elected prime minister by the Finns.

[@findor5639]

There is also a bit of disconnect here with polling: If I'm asked if Sanna Marin would be doing OK job as PM, I would say for sure. She has done well in difficult circumtances and most of the "scandals" were completely overblown. But I still wouldn't even consider voting for SDP since I disagree with their platform.

[@Kauppi2]

Jauhon käyttö ministerinä olisi johtanut miesministerin eroon, mutta kun valitettavasti näitä valkoritareita ja feministejä riittää, niin naiset pääsee helpolla (samalla lailla kuten asevelvollisuudessa...)

[@findor5639]

@@Kauppi2 Tietääkseni mistään laittomasta ei ollut mitää todisteita, mukaan lukien vapaaehtoinen huumetesti? Korjaa toki jos olen väärässä.

[@defeqel6537]

@@findor5639 ko. huumetesti ei pystynyt näyttämään viikkoja vanhaa tapahtumaa, olisi pitänyt hiuksista testata, mutta sitä ei tehty

[@TurmoilDot]

​@@Kauppi2 ​​Mikä teitä vaivaa? Sanna teki testit ja olisi tehnyt hiustestin myöhemminkin, mutta kukaan ei ole ottanut Sannan tarjoamia hiuksia vastaan. Ottaisitko sinä? Vai miksi täällä valitat?

[@bengheinrich7500]

Popularity abroad doesn't matter but Popularity domestically does that is a same problem Jacinda Ardern had in New Zealand. Personal Popularity also doesn't always transfer into votes Bernie Sanders had that problem in the US. That's Sanna Marin in a nutshell. She should stay on and try again in 4 years though.

[@bengheinrich7500]

@@furry_homunculus I disagree with you on the Covid policy. Ardern actually won in a landslide because of her handling of Covid. Though the cost of living crisis was too much for Ardern and she had to step aside. I think people think she overstayed her welcome. Though I as an American tend to like young politicians its breath of fresh air from politicians in their seventies or early eighties were used to getting from with Trump and Biden. I think that is why Jacinda Ardern and Sanna Marin are so popular abroad.

[@Jako1987]

Accurate video but I want to do small notices. 4:36 We mostly compare yourselves with other nordic countries and we are lacking behind. 3:04 Finns party has lots of support among youth. One extra reason could be pisa results what have been tanking for a decade.

[@kgizzle92]

It’s interesting because their vote share and seats increased…two other parties just happened to have that happen too and to a greater extent!

[@davidoldboy5425]

Europe is slowly but inexorably turning right after some of the lunacy of the last few years, a welcome relief for common sense returning to politics.

[@defeqel6537]

We can only hope (edit: actually we can do more than that, but hope doesn't hurt)

[@kalahomi1]

and thank god for that