POP PUNK TIER LIST vol 3

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty

[@Upside_Down_Guitar_Guy]

Ok! I love your channel, Finn! Would be great to hear your thoughts on Motion City Soundtrack

[@pradohealey3000]

Homegrown is legit AF

[@mikekalinowski3101]

Your list are fun, awesome, and mostly agreeable. But I have to wonder where is offspring Green Day mayday parade check Yes Juliet on this? I think you might need a part for my friend this is intriguing and awesome in there are so many punk bands I would love to see you compile another list I love what you do

[@mikekalinowski3101]

* a part 4

[@carltonbauheimer]

The real tier list we need is the Weird Al parody tier list.

[@Clown_Wizard]

Finn, get your ass on this one!!!

[@ethandumas6937]

And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone

[@bt0694]

I got friends begging’ for my top 8 spaces!

[@avancini6352]

Lagwagon needs to be higher, like A Tier. Even though they are commercially not that succesfull they have a great legacy and are very influential. Starting Skateboarding back in the day, before Blink, Sum 41 and all the others blew up, there were Lagwagon Logos everywhere.

[@SonicRyan1992]

there's a MakeWar song about them that plays on Faction all the time, plus their recent album too

[@ricardoaponte1637]

Let's talk about feelings is easiest top 5 pop punk albums of all time

[@BKJ-88]

Lagwagon is S tier.

[@Trizvdl]

Same goes for Millencolin, they may have not been as big as others but they are super influential and alongside bands like satanic surfers and the hives a staple of European pop-punk related acts

[@Richlucch]

@@Trizvdl no lol

[@joshann1251]

The Starting Line created the perfect pop punk song in every way with Best of Me

[@jordanharirchi4604]

Relient K is criminally low. They were getting mtv plays on two of their albums

[@joshuafernandez8225]

Not only that, they still pull around 1.4 million monthly listeners on Spotify last I checked when Finn put out the Christcore Tier list video. I would've put them at least a C or at most a B.

[@dannyranno]

​@@joshuafernandez8225 Feels good that I'm not the only one thinking this. Relient K are so underrated, they are incredible!

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

Man that Relient K rating hurt me to my core. Two Lefts Don’t Make a Right, But Three Do and Mmhmm are exceptional albums.

[@findethanjames]

Relient K is an S tier christian band. They were the one band you could reliably assume that everyone would like, and they got mainstream radio play which only POD had done before (other than KROQ, which we didn't have on the east coast

[@tarttooth6022]

Relient K is that one Christian band every former youth group kid still listens to regardless of their current religious beliefs. They're so much more than the connotations of the scene they come from.

[@gigiizzy5651]

I love POD but there are a lot of successful Christian banda like Skillet that I believe are huge all around the world. Buy in the pop punk scene: Relient K is the best mid 2000's band. And I love a lot of niche ones like Hawk Nelson, Stellar kart etc

[@tompetruno9922]

I love when Finn gets all fired up and starts yelling about something nostalgic. Definitely my favorite parts of his videos. Also, dang I haven’t thought about punk rock princess in forever and that was awesome

[@kanjosidr]

I love that you gave Yellowcard recognition they deserve. They were never as big as other big names in pop-punk but they got a lot of great songs to listen to in their catalogue. Their last three albums are not as good as 2001-2007 ones though, but Paper Walls and One For The Kids are solid.

[@timidstein888]

No way is Relient K D tier ha....they are a fantastic band and great song writers (regardless of christian labels or not). Listen to Mmmhmm or Forget and Not Slow Down 🙌

[@dannyranno]

Mmmhmm is an incredible album!

[@jonant8317]

I feel they got a raw deal this on this

[@midnightfm87]

“Justice for Mest?” How bout justice for Relient K? Extremely underrated. Brilliant song writers and funny too. Never took themselves too seriously.

[@romansweik]

woooord

[@gigiizzy5651]

Relient K have songs for feelings I didn't know how to put to words. One of my all time favorites

[@sEEKllsevN]

Relient k is easily b tier no matter what

[@insanetaco98]

ADTR. The band on all metalcore, easycore, and pop punk videos Finn makes. Fuckin love em

[@DaterscoolestESL]

Please listen to all of Relient K's albums. Underrated. Very talented group. I found their cassette taped to a port a potty at a festival in 99. Never stopped being a fan since then. Seeing them live next month! Btw I loved your interview with Sonny from POD!

[@tommymclaughlin-artist]

Now a video on Less Than Jake is in order.

[@T00FAST4L0VE]

SECONDING THIS

[@neilkennethofficial]

I both love Rufio and Mest back in the day.

[@Джонатан-р8д]

I was super into FTSK for their first 2 albums. They did a signing right outside the Hollister I worked at my senior year, and I didn't have anything for them to sign, so I just ran up to the front of the line and high fived a few of them on my way to work. Felt pretty good about it.

[@TheFoggyHollows]

Drank too much wine tonight so here are my views: "Homesick" is also a brilliantly named album because the nostalgia we all feel now is built into the title. Could still probably sing 90% of the lyrics to any given song on that record. IMO FYS is A tier or... Dare I say... because they basically popularized easycore. That isn't to say that we should downplay ADTR by any means. FYS's most recent album is actually really good and has had some decent reception as well... but you do you, boo. I love your opinions either way. Mest....They kinda made a nu-pop-punk song haha. I'm ngl tho that Cadillac chorus is a guilty pleasure for me. "Wut in the the california white boy trailer park suburbia tarnation is that?!?" TSL was what All Time Low was going for. Idgaf. Guttermouth is somehow ABSOLUTELY simultaneously S and F tier. Like the horseshoe theory of talent, they clearly stand on the cusp with one foot in each questionable ranking metric. Mark is a once in a generation phenomenon that nobody knew they ever wanted and actually... yeah nobody really does... However, then after hearing Guttermouth, you realize you still didn't want him, but like a drug he trolololed himself back into your system because you know you simply just can't live without these extreme levels of satire and irony, yet you still wanna die when you hear his ass haha. How you doing these day's bro? Loving the twitch highlights.

[@williamz7011]

Guttermouth rules and sucks at the same time. They're so great, but oh so terrible. But more importantly, they're great lol

[@myaccount425]

Five score and seven years ago by relient k had commercial success. Need to bump them up a few tiers there Finn.

[@micahperrego3334]

I CANT believe you said Four Year Strong’s other stuff was not so good! I hope you mean popularity wise cuz than I would agree but Jesus FYS is so underrated

[@ethan.branthoover3460]

Four year strong has never released a bad song 🤟

[@strictlystrong5503]

Theyre unbelievable!

[@josephmiller9161]

This right here!

[@cynicald380]

Oh mate. Come on

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

They were big during the first two albums but never got bigger really.

[@ScreaminSeahawk]

I love your list of groups that you ranked. Several of them were the bands that got me into punk rock, when I was in college.

[@jcockrellsays]

Thank you for giving The Starting Line the respect they deserve. I was glad to see so many Drive Thru bands make the list. Your mest rant had me dying 😂😂

[@richardcolmenarez8205]

I think almost everything four year strong has done is amazing, their musicianship, their catchiness and their way to remain the same while trying some new stuff keeps me hooked, could be one of my top 10 favorite bands easily, i recognize they're not too influential, but having a really strong album in 2019 (o is it 2020? Not sure) makes them at least B tier for me

[@oakenmaus]

FYS rated as a C tier band is one of the great injustices of our time.

[@DeadTempoPromotions]

Yeah that rating is a travesty. Besides for that one rock album everyone hated, they have put out some banger albums with almost no skippable tracks. Rise or Die Trying is a god tier album that should be beside Homesick. Enemy of the world was a solid follow up too with some fire tracks and the newest album is a perfect culmination of everything they’ve done and a fire album

[@richardcolmenarez8205]

@@DeadTempoPromotions i've hated in some way shape or form at the time it came out, but aftersome years have passed it has grown on me, not what we were expecting from them but also not a bad album. Enemy of the world was HUGE for mi, like, that album was the soundtrack of my early 20's.

[@richardcolmenarez8205]

@@oakenmaus couldn't agree more

[@oakenmaus]

@@richardcolmenarez8205 You know we're just gonna make him hate FYS, right? 😂

[@Elchonlster]

It would be cool if he talked about zebrahead they're one of my favorite bands of all time

[@markymarkbrand13]

Disappointed the only band you didn’t play music from was Relient K. Mmhmm is a masterpiece of an album.

[@takodabostwick8507]

Put Yellowcard in the A is very acceptable. I would personally put them in the S tier. I really low Yellowcard. They're in my top 3 for pop punk bands of all time and Ocean Avenue is in my top 3 for pop punk albums of all time!

[@Eric42RandomVideos]

Nah they get bumped down to A for trying to sue Juice after he died

[@turdferguson353]

Hit the lights skip school, start fights holds a special place in my heart

[@katherinegray9252]

I'm late, but 100% yes

[@seanhutt4621]

Man I came here expecting to hate I was wrong you nailed it crazy respect for you today man

[@darejohnson2251]

Lights and Sounds is so underrated by the scene. It's SUCH a good song

[@drummerAVA]

Really good album too.

[@SonicRyan1992]

my personal favorite Mest song is "Drawing Board" that shit slaps respect for the Less Than Jake love. my favorite is "Motown Never Sounded So Good"

[@Kingylfc123]

FYS latest album is fucking amazing. For me I feel they’re mostly consistent and they know how to write a riff, good musicians

[@steveremo474]

I take comfort knowing that high-school me would have had a finn-approved ipod

[@reedsims5407]

Did I miss something or has Finn really not included The Wonder Years for 3 parts straight?

[@jacoba4246]

The WY aren’t pop punk.

[@reedsims5407]

@@jacoba4246 they 100% were for their first 3 albums lol.

[@jacoba4246]

@@reedsims5407 yup, you’re right. I got mixed up with another band lmao

[@Jon-vn9sn]

Same with Set Your Goals. Not even one mention.

[@mikevandemark1993]

He forgot Green Day even after mentioning them in one of the previous parts 🤣

[@MikeMara]

lol enjoyed this one more than I’d like to admit. Also, reliant K needs to be moved up a rung.

[@josephmiller9161]

Aside from In Some Way Shape or Form everything by Four Year Strong slaps. Fight me.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

This. Especially their latest album.

[@KfuknBenz]

Holy shit The Starting Line just unlocked some core memories

[@natemiller6854]

Saw Mest back in 2004 as a headliner to a tour that Fall Our Boy was supporting. Mest was awesome!

[@jewlsmari3780]

Finn I feel like we would have been friends in another life. I absolutely love Mest, Yellowcard and many of the other ones you’ve mentioned. Thank you for this series. Please keep these videos going.

[@ab-lx2bk]

The only thing that bothered me, when you played homegrown you didn't play their Kings of Pop album..... close to a top 10-15 pop punk album. Great list

[@rustyshackle4rd]

Knuckle puck on d tier??? Finn how dare you

[@HMPOD]

LTJ is killing ALL those bands. Talk about a STRONG discography- they got it and they’re STILL putting out quality shit. It also doesn’t hurt that they’re some of the NICEST guys in the game. S TIER!

[@killeveryvenue]

Ten songs i think may raise your opinion of Four Year strong a bit, happy listening! 1. "Wasting Time (Eternal Summer)" 2. "It Must Really Suck to Be Four Year Strong Right Now" 3. “I’m a big bright shining star” 4. “Go Down in History" 5. Gravity 6. “Find my way back” 7. Stuck in the middle 8. “Heaven wasn’t built to hold me” 9. “Falling on you” 10. “Bada Bing! Wit' a Pipe!"

[@bearvsshaan]

Seriously. i will never understand why people think FYS only has one good album. Go Down in History as an EP is as good as Rise or Die Trying

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Maaaaan gotta include some Brain Pain stuff too!

[@gigiizzy5651]

Their cover for '"love song" is grwat too

[@jonabel7926]

Just waiting for the but rock tier list! The magnum opus, Finn’s fellowship of the ring!

[@doctorstrainlove6318]

Thank you for adding SoCo!

[@ashleybrown4754]

GutterMouth IS an S tier band and Musical Monkey absolutely could not be made today.

[@thejoshadams6]

Fun list..Relient K, Alkaline Trio, and Starting Line should all move up a tier.

[@djtek9ine]

I need a B-Tier tour to happen!

[@MayFlwr]

The starting line was honestly way ahead of their time. They had a touch of 2009 mallcore emo to their sound, years before the craze (give em some influence points for acoustic guitars and rocking swoopy hair in the times of high socks and dickies shorts)

[@David-uc6sg]

The Starling Line's 3rd album(Direction) is FANTASTIC.

[@mascorroheidi21]

You should so a whole video on drive thru records. They were everything to me! Haha great label

[@markwrenn5965]

My best friend all through junior high and high school was Vietnamese. It means something.

[@BW1TT]

Man. Yellowcard’s final record was fantastic.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Ehh.

[@hazelnut49]

I hope there is a part 4? Where is freaking Green Day, the God's of Pop Punk! And how about bands like Sugarcult & Zebrahead?

[@DustinHarrisWHBC]

My first ever show at 12 was Good Charlotte, Mest, and Goldfinger. Twas 🔥

[@kirkwilson6229]

I agree with you about LTJ being more important than Goldfinger. Less Than Jake was much better known among my peers than Goldfinger. It's probably regional. Is there something wrong with me that I like Guttermouth?

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

Idk what region ur in but same for me in the midwest

[@Benhilton88]

I saw Mest, Hawthorne Heights and the Ataris back in like 2013 at a dive bar in Columbus. What a fun show.

[@myaccount425]

He needs the ataris up there

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

nice to see Mest get some love. When i first started driving my own car, i'd listen to em all the time on the way to school. good shit.

[@dookieeater]

The dudes in FIGHT FAIR are so cool. We hung out in Jax those dude are obsessed with having fun lol

[@OnyxSkiesXIX]

I’m out here about to be a punisher for the Starting Line’s later albums. Based on a True Story and Directions are fucking phenomenal albums. Their first album is a classic, but damn those later albums just blow it out of the water for me. Also, don’t @ me but Konstantine is by far Something Corporate’s best song.

[@Ashleyhauckes94]

We need a Less Than Jake history video on your other channel that would be sick!

[@DuerstMania]

DUERST THE WUERST DUEEST THE WUERST DUERST THE WUERST

[@socksmccox1025]

I think Four Year Strong is one of the best bands out there

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

This

[@dasani7231]

Is it really a Finn Mckenty tier list if ADTR isn’t in the S tier?

[@mikephilly6748]

Finn low-key flexing his KZbin Premium

[@Landonio]

Underdog Alma Mater is legit a banger of an album. One of my favorites of the past 20 years. Infectiously catchy shit with some really cool ideas (like having 3 vocalists haha). It really sucks that all their stuff after that was just extremely meh. I've heard rumors of them possibly working on some new stuff, so that could be interesting.

[@LewisWilliams-xs7ck]

“Before consent was really a thing” 🤣🤣🤣

[@Madwaxx]

Yes that starting line album is still in rotation when I'm feeling emo

[@markolovis]

Rufio's Perhaps I suppose is as influential as it can get man

[@c.jarmstrong3111]

Love your content!

[@Bren]

OMG and after LTJ you go right into SoCo... Drunk Girl was the last dance at my wedding. I still love everything Andrew McMahon has ever done, just saw him play about a month ago. Damn right he is talented AF.

[@joshvaughan3403]

FYS is easily A tier. They only had one "bad" album

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Thissss

[@ZackSeifMusic]

Homesick was hands down my crossover album into metalcore. It all changed after that. S-Tier is what ADTR deserve

[@savesnine]

You interviewed Gabe Saporta but didn't include Midtown on this list? A few more recs (and tier opinions): * Midtown - C-tier. They're an S-tier band for me but if I'm being objective, they're incredible songwriters, just never got influential enough to break into that next tier (but had the talent clearly because of Cobra Starship). * Millencolin - A-tier. Pennybridge Pioneers is a damn near perfect album and they were on Tony Hawk. That album went PLATINUM! They still rank on Billboard indie and heat charts even today. Shocking they have this much staying power. They weren't Yellowcard or Simple Plan big but they're definitely bigger than Less Than Jake. * Motion City Soundtrack - B-tier . Songwriting is some of the best in the genre. Incredibly heartfelt and catchy. Commit This To Memory and I Am the Movie are iconic albums and both charted (and one went Gold). * Rx Bandits - C-tier. Another ska-punk band (less ska though than LTJ or Goldfinger). One of the seminal Drive-Thru bands (along w/ Midtown and TSL). Incredible talent, extremely creative. They were just never as popular as their songs were worth. From Analog Boy (very pop punk) to Decrescendo (arguably the best closing track of a pop-punk band?) they had so much range but only their most recent album charted on Billboard and that was way past their prime of Progress and The Resignation.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Good picks, thank you!

[@drivethrujedi83]

Ever heard of Drivethrujedi? We were doing easycore back in 2003. We never went anywhere though and I became a promoter after.

[@trevorwooten2910]

Solid rankings but dang, Relient K on D tier?? I can't argue that much tho cuz I'd give them a C lol

[@LongListOfErrors]

Bruh!?! Where’s the Suicide Machines at? No Face to Face?!!?! Wtf

[@princegoatcheese9379]

I've been on a pop punk kick lately. Maybe it's the pandemic getting to me and my brain wanting to reminisce my teen years when I discovered ADTR and TSSF, but I'm now realising there are some great releases beyond those two bands. I think those were my gateway drug into the pop punk scene. Also, I stopped giving a shit about what other people think of my music taste and vice versa years ago lmao. Anyway, you rule, Finn. Keep kicking ass out there!

[@tylerpoirier3699]

I mean for the sake of factual objectivity, FTSK crossroads was based around the riff from Thriller by Fall Out Boy, which was a scrapped racetraitor riff.

[@xkickit17]

Finn's obession with FTSK kills me every time

[@joshbeer414]

Love the content pop punk is my youth

[@thomasshreve4570]

The third Starting Line album is the best one

[@KennethDavis11]

Homesick is definitely one of the best albums of the 21st century.

[@tarttooth6022]

Relient K deserves better than D tier. They had far more crossover success than Finn gives them credit for, at least for teenagers in the 2000s. To this day I know a lot of people who aren't Christians that listened to Relient K back in the day and still dig their music. I think Finn is also underselling their talents as songwriters and musicians. Mmhmm and Forget and Not Slow Down, the two fan-favorite albums, have held up incredibly well.

[@ceejluige4816]

Fun fact. I once replaced Kenny as the bass player of a band called West Beverly. He left to start The Starting Line and when they started blowing up, he helped open a few doors for us. I only met him once or twice, but mad respect for remembering where he came from.

[@trithi9744]

Hey Finn, speaking of pop-punk, I know you already talked about some of them, but could you do a whole video about those Tiktok stars turned rockstars ? (like Sueco, Jeris Johnson, Jxdn, Lilhuddy, Gayle, etc..) I would personally be very interested to hear your take on it

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Yep i did about a year ago!

[@braydencrawley5976]

Lmao my take - they fucking suck

[@nicoletteschiavone5980]

Brain Pain is a fantastic FYS album. it's cool and young at heart are songs I would never expect from this band but they're straight bangers. i liked it a lot more than i thought i would

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Same here. I feel like BP was their best and most mature album. Been a fan of them basically since the start.

[@bballmaster1209]

I’m very glad you finally did yellowcard. Paper walls is my favorite album of all time. I’m satisfied and can agree with A tier in the scheme of things

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@LiveAtEs HAHAHA no fucking way.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@LiveAtEs True. Btw I live pretty close to Orlando. Going to buy my Beartooth/Silverstein/The Devil Wears Prada/ERRA ticket soon.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@Love Is Still Here Nah man, St. Augustine Amphitheater. I already live 30 miles north of Orlando so at least the drive isn’t as bad for me. I bought Senses Fail/We Came As Romans/Counterparts tickets for House Of Blues though.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@LiveAtEs haha do you play in a band or anything?

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@LiveAtEs lmao I feel ya. Check out my album of the year list video if you have a chance btw! Put a lot of time into it. It’s long though lol.

[@GonzoCiosain]

Hey Finn, would it be cool with you if I sampled part of your rant about Mest not being appreciated for a song? Specifically the "Everything about this world is bullshit, and I hate it!" part. I assure you it will be good, it's for a powerviolence song intro. (Obviously if you're not cool with it I won't sample it, but it would work so perfectly right before the heavy part kicks in)

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Go for it

[@GonzoCiosain]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Thanks man, it's a song called "Labyrinth Of Bullshit" and it's about being lost on tour, searching for a venue in a city you've never played before. We've all been there haha

[@squatchmode]

That B Tier list is really good. I still listen to both Something Corporate albums pretty regularly. Great and catchy songs. Andrew McMahon is a beast songwriter. I went back and gave The Starting Line's Direction album a listen about a year back and it really grew on me. I did not care for it about a decade ago. Would for sure say Best of Me would be in the top 5 pop punk songs of the 2000's if there were a list of songs everyone knew and loved.

[@ShrugSzn]

Holy shit I found the ONLY other Fight Fair fan on the planet!

[@judeasher706]

Hey that’s not true there are at least 3 of us

[@albertomorales7579]

“You can’t fuck with GutterMouth” 😅😂🤣

[@kwojo932]

The Starting Line was my High school gateway to pop punk. Saw them back in 2002 when they were on tour with RBF. Add Something corporate, Less than Jake and Guttermouth, you got part of my senior year playlist.

[@rebel107]

Dude... no freaking way FTSK is on the same level as Alkaline Trio... imo And now Less Than Jake above Alkaline Trio??!!! You're killing me, Finn!

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Alk 3 fans are rough stuff

[@kpheg59531]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA As a massive Trio fan, I can say that Alkaline Trio is a tattoo band. Meaning, they inspire folks to get tattoos of their logo and lyrics far more than other bands, especially ones of similar success. You don't see tons of Starting Line tattoos, or Less Than Jake. Tons of Trio tats though.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@kpheg59531 very true. I own a hat with their logo on it.

[@hunterking6033]

Relient K was S tier in Christian circles. They had multiple songs that did well on mainstream radio. They had more longevity and a higher peak than most bands on this list. If Mest is B tier Relient K is at least A tier, because I've actually heard of Relient K. Mest isn't sd good as most of your D tier bands based on what I'm currently listening to.

[@AportesKike]

3:23 "we found the Lamb of God fan" Hahahhahaa

[@famous12121]

4YS is an A Tier Band! Love me some 4 beards strong! Great content Finn! Keep it up!

[@DontstopIfIfall]

Everything Andrew McMahon touches is pure gold! Leaving through the window is a masterpiece from start to finish (especially considering they were like 19 when it came out). My favorite song from it is I woke up in a car.

[@Madwaxx]

I woke up in a car - Something Corporate

[@kendrickgibbs5326]

We need a video on the importance of Less Than Jake on the PRMBA channel that you eluded to. I get shit for liking LTJ still today but they're stuff is better than people give credit for.

[@KhaosKontroller]

Hearing you rant about Mest is funny, cause in Dutch, "mest" means "manure".