Fire Emblem Weapons So Terrible I Question How The Series Got This Far

[@gorade1901]

You don't understand the Iron Blade carried this franchise on it's 12 Weight back

[@Faerghast]

I love the iron blade. I would never talk bad about the coolest swords in FE7!!! Good against my code..

[@Infernosab3r]

Blades were always an odd one but you cant really complain with their use cases on higher con units, or in Engages case, their extreme utility on armored or slower units for their incredible counter hits

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Myrmidons: “Why is this steel axe so long and pointy?”

[@Telogor]

its*

[@astralguardian5930]

​@Faerghast One Blade you could definitely mention, especially in GBA games is the Silver Blade. In those games it's just +1 Might compared to Silver Sword and weighs 13 compared to Silver Sword's 8. But the biggest flaw is the hit rate, in Binding Blade it has 55 Hit versus Silver Sword's 75 and in FE7-8 it has 60 hit versus Silver Sword's 80. So +5 Weight and -20 Hit all for 1 more might. It's horrendous to witness. (Though thankfully Engage actually made the Blade as well as the other Smash Weapons actually feel like they hurt both in animation and raw might, so it put some respect on their name)

[@MythrilZenith]

My petition to add the Wo Dao to this script was denied as a "personal vendetta."

[@AhmadKazan-wk7ei]

I mean +20 crit in most cases is better than slim sword.

[@toumabyakuya]

What do you mean by "personal vendetta"?.

[@Vandelorian]

@@toumabyakuya I think it means "An enemy used it and crit me to death one too many times for me to not despise the fact it exists."

[@user-jw2it4qf2r]

Isn't Wo Dao actually uniquely terrible in Engage? It perplexingly lost its identifying feature of less power but even more crit over the Killing Edge, now sporting less Mt AND Crit than the Killing Edge, but also requiring higher weapon proficiency and needing to be forged from Steel Swords instead of Iron like the Edge. It's lighter and more accurate, but it's just so weak that trying to fish for crits with this thing is a shakier prospect than ever, especially with Maddening's enemy bulk.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

​@user-jw2it4qf2r With the various engraves available to you, Wo Dao can still put a decent dent in enemies with. But yeah, from Three Houses to Engage, the Wo Dao got nerfed.

[@Slenderquil]

Shoutout to fe4 fire tomes, which have the same stats as thunder and wind but are way heavier.

[@MythrilZenith]

I don't know what they're making those books out of if a fire tome is as heavy as a steel lance.

[@ShermTank7272]

@@MythrilZenithmore pages for extra kindling for the fire.

[@rngsomeone1003]

I'd actually argue that all three fire tomes are not that bad, and have niche use cases. Aside the fact that tying lances in weight is not totally unsalvageable unlike axes, as lance users are common, they are still surprisingly workable. Bolganone still has 20 MT, and while Leif usually ends up getting Tornado, it is often Azel's children's best weapon; it's BIS for Azel!Ced and while both Azel!Arthur and Azel!Tinny can use Thoron, there is only one copy of Thoron obtainable. Elfire is usable by Azel before he promotes, being a workable boost in firepower. Fire, while otherwise bad, has a niche use case by being Julia's worst weapon; have her put all of her stuff in the convoy save for a Fire tome to minimize her threat level as an enemy in Endgame.

[@nanofate8662]

@@MythrilZenith Our poor mages ending up with scoliosis after the war.

[@Underworlder5]

@@MythrilZenith my headcanon is that higher weight on a tome means the spell is more complex and needs more time to cast

[@Luigiofthegods]

Fun fact: Gleipnir gets its name from its original wielder, Gleip Shitto

[@Direblade11]

Gleip is pronounced like "gl-eye-p" right?

[@tristanbowles7258]

Special shoutout to the Imposing Axe in Awakening. A D rank axe with 14 might and 10 crit. Seems great right? Until you see the 35% hit rate, one of the lowest hit rates in all of FE behind broken weapons in Thracia and Eclipse in Binding Blade. Pretty funny to use tho

[@morganwithaneevee246]

The imposing axe is the funniest weapon in the game I love it

[@astralguardian5930]

If anything Imposing Axe could sometimes just show how refining could be super handy to new players, since an Imposing Axe that is Hit refined can be an absurd early game "nuke" if you happen to get it and invest.

[@tristanbowles7258]

@@astralguardian5930 I always forget Awakening has forging

[@astralguardian5930]

@tristanbowles7258 Yeah, only let's you have 8 upgrades. But still enough to max out hit boost on Imposing Axe in this example (+25 Hit rate boost, for a maxed out hit of 60, still not amazing but at least mildly usable) and have 3 more to invest in either even more might or boosting the crit rate a wee bit more.

[@erinmiller1433]

It helps if the wielder has a partner boosting their accuracy

[@usaminolulu]

Honestly I'm kinda surprised you didn't talk about the infamous silver Blade during the GBA era. It has all you want: Low amount of usage (15) A high price A not so justifiable might compared to the silver sword A high weight And bad accuracy to cover it all

[@astralguardian5930]

Yep, -20 Hit and +5 Weight all for 1 more might then the standard Silver Sword. And as you said lower durability too, 15 compared to Silver weapon's usual 20

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Shocked that Sol Katti didn't make the list.

[@conorb.1901]

It legitimately baffles me how bad the Sol Katti is. Less might than a silver sword and almost as heavy as freaking Basilikos is just absurd to me. I'm not a particularly big Lyn fan, but for her "legendary" weapon, the Sol Katti is pretty garbage.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

​@@conorb.1901 Lyn may as well use Sol Katti as a dumbbell

[@conorb.1901]

@@TheBreakingBenny maybe if she does that, she might actually level strength for once!

[@michaelgum97]

@@conorb.1901 It's also pretty garbage in Awakening. For a Regalia weapon, it's weaker than a Killing Edge/Brave Sword. The 100 hit is pretty redundant given a Myrmidon/Swordmaster's high skill stat, the 50 crit isn't as great as it looks if you're not dealing single or low double digit numbers.

[@DiogoJ1]

I'm not. It is meant to be used on the final chapter, and the final chapter has plenty of enemies Lyn can double even with an 8 SPD penalty. Nergal and the Fire Dragon being the most important ones to use it on.

[@LonePython-hl1rh]

I wish to throw everyone’s favorite lead brick into the mix, The Sol Katti. more weight then Basilikos and locked to a chronically mid unit.

[@michaelgum97]

And has less might than a Silver Sword.

[@lyricalmage]

I beg to differ but Lyn is no mid unit. It's just Sol Katti actually cripples what Lyn at what she is good at, unlike Manni Katti, best lord starter weapon in the game.

[@Underworlder5]

@@lyricalmage not sure why blazing blade chose to make the endgame weapons so absurdly heavy. hector can use armads just fine, but for eliwood and lyn, the speed loss can be deadly

[@twigz3214]

@@lyricalmage I mean Lyn is probably bottom 5 in the game, she's frail, has a terminally late promotion, everyone else reliably doubles most enemies anyway so her being fast doesn't matter, her strenght is lackluster, and her avo is too poor to be reliable and isn't backed by any defensive bulk to rely on if you do get hit. She also has gets the 2 weapon types that lack 1-2 range in an enemy phase game, not that her stats could reliably enemy phase anyway even if she did. Sol Katti is indeed awful though, to the point where it feels like they know she's bad and just wanted to make her feel even worse. Fun unit to use sometimes and good animations but the game bogs her down in every way it could.

[@hombojimbo]

Mid is a generous evaluation

[@zansolo5653]

Emblem leif just feels more like an enemy emblem than player one imo. The master lance usually ends up being very scary on any boss enemy since they're built to use the lance properly (King Hyacinth)

[@michaelgum97]

Honestly, out of the three 3-10 tomes, Eclipse is the absolute worst one, halving the target's HP isn't worth it when it only has 30 hit. And the Binding Blade version if only good for two shotting the 99 HP walls because that's the only thing you can reliably attack with its horrendous 10 hit.

[@juhaniaho6698]

You can grind up a character's dark magic weapon level with Eclipse, since it gives out a lot of WEXP.

[@justnoob8141]

I’ll attack the wall *Miss* How!?!??!??

[@henrygutierrez3243]

my favorite from fates is speed thunder. It has a respectable 9 mt but a somewhat shaky 70 hit. If you fail to kill, you rally the enemies and give them +4 speed.

[@d3-ll754]

I'd also throw in FE6's Hammer. Even at WTA against a Lance-wielding General, it's still worse than an Armorslayer at WTD because the Armorslayer will still have more Hit.

[@Faerghast]

hey all! Thank you so much for watching today's video. Please let me know what you believe are also bad weapons in the series! Maybe they'll pop in for a part 2. Don't forget to leave a like as doing both helps boost this video in recommended tab!

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Honestly doing a video on steel weapons of fe6 or doing a video on Fates terrible weapons system might make for their own good videos too

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Do a second part and include the Silver weapons from Fates and Sol Katti

[@blademasterfe2227]

I personally find the FE6 steel lance to be worse than the steel axe. The steel axe is bad, but is at least E rank so a promoted Deick can use it with ease and I find that more units suffer greater speed penalties from the steel lance than do the steel axe.

[@themarauding]

I think FE6 steel weapons in general were a sick joke. Miledy and Echidna could have been given any other useable weapon and they would have made a better first impression.

[@AzureShadow42]

@@themaraudingEspecially when the Killer weapons exist and blow them out of the water in every single stat while only requiring C weapon rank.

[@opalyasu7159]

binding blade is full of enemy axe users so i totally agree with you

[@ivanbluecool]

Beta legendary weapon: I give special effects but break quickly. And connect to the true ending sometimes Chad forged weapons: we come in and do our job. Not create fomo

[@xuanathan]

A small correction, Fe4 slim swords were a direct upgrade from iron, higher mt and lower weight, they were just rare

[@starkillahx]

Ok I thought it was weird how he said they were never worth, thought I was misremembering their stats

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Nah dude, the Slim Sword in FE4 is the goat, it allows Arden to double generic bandits!!!

[@LoudWaffle]

@@AzumarillConGafasBv I love FE4 for having real, practical gameplay scenarios where a unit with 0 speed can pretty consistently double a not-insignificant portion of the enemies.

[@xuanathan]

@@AzumarillConGafasBv I mean Arden just needs pursuit, despite what his statline and dialogue might imply, he's not slow (If only because he uses swords and enemies use Lances and Axes)

[@NotRealAkira]

@@xuanathan Slow refers to his move speed iirc

[@rngsomeone1003]

Some more honorable mentions: FE9 Tornado. You're telling me I trained up an A in wind for a 4 MT weapon that while effective against fliers, still has a comical 12 MT. FE7 Gespenst. Take Gleipnir and get rid of the +5 SKL boost. Thats Gespenst. Aside from being available only in the Endgame, it's so comically heavy that Canas needs literally every single Body Ring in the game just to not get doubled by the Fire Dragon, and if you're bothering to do that, you deal more damage by doubling with the already bad Fenrir. And lets not forget the broken FE7 Luna tome. At least Veronica did the spell justice... Vio Rhyse Alberia! FE5 Hammer. This thing has 10 MT, 50 Hit and 18 Weight, in a game where armors are at their squishiest until FE16. PCC and magic swords all hut invalidate enemy armors, who due to the low enemy growths and overall low enemy quality, are lucky to break 15 DEF, at which point stuff like Brave Sword, Silver Lance and the like kills them. Even the many armor bosses are easily disposed of with more reliable options like Tomes, Armorslayer or PCC as weapon triangle is effectively non-existent. FE4 Silver Axe. Unlike the Iron and Steel Axes, which are surprisingly good for their acquisition time by being powerful enough to 2HKO enemies reliably, the very powerful Brave Axe or the Hand Axe, which while bad is at least a rare source of physical 1-2 range, the Silver Axe is just flat out bad. The Brave Axe is accessible by the time the Silver Axe rolls around, and only 2 units per generation can even use the damn thing, and in both cases, the Silver Lance is just better. Brave Axe is better as a means of WT-ing enemy Lance users, and the Silver Axe's one niche use case as a wallbreaker for Leif to use on Arvis (as the best candidate to go up against him if other Holy Weapon users are dead/too squishy and Tyrfing was lost due to a lack of fliers) it is overshadowed by the Silver Lance, as the Axe is too heavy to double with the Speed Ring (Silver Lance outperforms Brave Axe as Brave Weapons in FE4 are treated as always activating Adept, making the skill itself redundant; this ends up causing the Silver Lance to have a higher damage average against Arvis).

[@ness6099]

Tornado has 6 might, so not as bad but still painful. What’s worse is you’ll probably still be slowed down while using it, as Ilyana’s not getting there and Soren is so pathetic strength wise that you need 3 lucky 5% growths on normal mode and your promotion to not be slowed, and heaven forbid you’re playing on fixed mode, you might get 1 strength growth the whole game! Elthunder has more might and 10% crit on it and comes with Ilyana in Chapter 8. Yes it’s heavier, but Ilyana and Tormod have a strength growth unlike Soren, and if Soren’s doubling something with a 3 or 4 speed penalty, he’s probably also doubling that thing with a 4 or 5 speed penalty. The biggest loser tome wise is probably Rhys with a pitiful 2 might D rank light tome. You don’t want him seeing combat anyway, and his promotion only gives 1 strength unlike Soren’s, so if he’s not lucky he’s being slowed by 3 points. On fixed mode he has a much higher initial strength growth count, so 1 strength growth before promotion is possible, so… Rhys only gets slowed by 2 when using a D rank tome after promotion… yay?

[@SSBBPOKEFAN]

FE9 Tornado is better and worse than you say. It has 6 might, so slightly better. Too bad effective damage in this game is only double, so it still only deals 12 damage to fliers. Might as well use Elthunder. 1 more base might at only D-rank thunder. Plus that 10 inate crit.

[@LoudWaffle]

Mage weapon ranks in PoR are just for being able to use seige tomes. Otherwise, a forged version of the base spell is all you need. And that's sad 😢

[@OrlandoAguirre222]

For my first fe4 playthrough I aint know anything about no Brave Axe acquisition in Gen 1. Silver Axe was good for keeping up with enemy stats, and the same for Gen 2 I think. I forgot exactly when brave and silver are available in Gen 2 since I haven't played in a while. Silver being "bad" is only for the knowledgeable who probably have better means of damage from theory crafting pairings or are doing a challenge run of sorts.

[@rngsomeone1003]

@@OrlandoAguirre222 Brave Axe is in Ch1. Dropped by Schmidt in Ch6. Silver Axe is in Ch3 armory, goes to Ch9 armory I think

[@hisen3.146]

He mentions weapon triange advantage not playing a part in the enemy phase, but it's important for leif's Arm's Shield. It reduces his wielder's damage taken when he has weapon triangle advantage.

[@MercuryA2000]

Except he ended up taking more because he got doubled!

[@superpokefan9567]

While Arm's Shield can be useful, it won't help if you don't KO a Backup enemy and they just park next to you so that you'll take plenty of damage when the horde advances. Arm's Shield is nice when it works but Gentility does the same thing but at all times unless you've swapped to Ephraim. But if you Engage with Eirika, no problem.

[@wouterW24]

The funny thing about slim weapons is that the retooled 'training' weapons as your lightweight option aren't half bad in the Houses context with hard to negate weight penalties early on, and the upgraded version reducing weight and increasing durability further. They are dirt cheap too. At one point I also got use out of the hammer setting up kills for weaker units abusing it's weight, but that was on NG+. I suppose it's nice to have a fallback option to smash up fortress knights though. It's niche, but it can work as advertised, especially with the other axes being missable. Houses also does have the notoriously useless venin class weapons, having a seperate set of ore for just iron weapon stats at higher costs and poison just not fitting the needs of the player at all. Devs didn't get the memo of not bothering to give the player them at all I guess?

[@SwissCheeseMann]

The durability is also only relevant in a 3H context. 65 low power uses is still trash, but it lets you spam combat arts when your units are too weak to double. Earlygame tempest lance/curved shot my beloved

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@SwissCheeseMann Eh, I personally save one for my Vengeance users.

[@ShermTank7272]

I'm surprised you could narrow it down to just one weapon in Fates. Any weapon above Steel felt like such a detriment in the long term. The stat nerfs felt like less of a balance for durability and more of a buff to enemies. High attack power with a severe drawback fits perfectly for disposable cannon fodder enemies, but does not synergize well when you want to keep your units alive.

[@rattyxoxo7397]

I think another contributing factor as to why Silver Weapons are seen as so bad in fates is because (in Conquest, the hardest route) you get no free silver weaponry, so you’d have to buy it, in which case you might as well just buy some more iron/bronze weapons and make a strong forge for a comparable price without the drawbacks. If you got some for free, as you do in Rev, they then at least exist for players to evaluate whether they need the might of silvers or the lack of side effects of iron/bronze weapons. It also hurts their viability that fates can have so much class changing for skills, which makes teaching high weapon ranks fairly impossible for a lot of units

[@Castersvarog]

It’s insane just how bad anything silver and above are. It would be one thing if the debuffs didn’t stack repeatedly, at least that would make for a good risk vs reward, but the fact that you can completely annihilate your damage because the enemy phase happens is maddening. And that’s the silver, the S rank weapons are absolute garbage.

[@rattyxoxo7397]

@@Castersvarog honestly I think the stacking debuffs on silver weapons really works at distinguishing them from the other weapons as a high might player phase option that punishes the player for using them unwisely, much like how durability does by limiting usage of stronger weapons. The issue is that they are expensive and forging ruins their niche of high might because a forged iron weapon does everything they can for significantly cheaper and without the side effects. I also think the S rank weapons get a bad rep. They for sure are hard to actually use because of how fates handles it’s weapon ranks, but they’re just extremes of silver weapons where their high might is actually sizeable enough over the competition that it may make a difference with what’s arguably less of a downside since the half strength effect alternates each combat when their in use. It also helps that for every S rank weapon that halves strength the wielder has to be in a class which gives that Weapon-Faire, which is important because the cut to raw strength ignores damage from skills, alongside pair up, rallies etc. Ignoring the more basic Hagakure Blade and Aurgelmir which are just high might weapons, the side effects of the other S Rank weapons are also fairly impactful, with the Waterwheel being a higher might Guard Naginata, the Chakram effectively having Seal Str, Mag, Def and Res, the Pursuer and Excalibur being high might with Flier effectiveness, and the latter also having high base Crit and Hit. The real issue is how late you get the weapons, but in the case where you do use them they’re truly interesting in their respective niches

[@miacasual1263]

Number 1: every steel weapon in FE 6

[@miacasual1263]

Oh you included the steel axe, ok yeah

[@supermariogamer5294]

Steel Swords are the only ones that are decent in FE6, in virtue that the sword units that can use them have decent Skill to make up for it and have the highest Hit of their kind at 70 on top of that. Although shoutouts to Dieck whose massive 14 Con upon promotion makes him capable of making the Steel Blade work.

[@Luigiofthegods]

​@@supermariogamer5294Rutger is also good with the Steel Blade, he has so much Skill and Speed that he can accurately double with it while actually really needing its extra might to one-round chunksters on the Western Isles

[@miacasual1263]

@@Luigiofthegods my Rutger got viciously skill screwed so steel swords aren’t an option for him anymore

[@Wildflower2760]

Eh, steel swords are fine and steel bows are bearable

[@danelo13]

We all got to the end with iron weapons. Only pulled out cool weapons for final boss

[@jk-2053]

Yeah, too-good-to-use syndrome was strong in my child self where I didn't know how many chapters there were, so I just couldn't afford to use anything else until the end, lol.

[@miraclePoints]

I tried this but FE broke me of this habit. It took me multiple playthroughs of FE7 before I could do a deathless run, and actually using fancy weapons is a big change for me. That's why I still love it, it permanently changed how I approach games

[@unusualpan]

I'd really like to see a follow-up video going over Fates' S rank weapons or a video on how Siver weapons change from game to game, possibly including maps where they were actually useful

[@arikaaa69]

I honestly love the Fates silver weapon because of the high might with the usage debuff. It’s a strong backup tool on player phase for when your weaker weapons aren’t enough to get an important kill, then use the trad command to equip their iron or steel weapons before enemy phase starts. Otherwise spamming or using silver on enemy phase has huge consequences on your units offence, just as much as brave weapons are for their defence. Imo its a much more interesting way to limit the use of silver weapons than limited durability

[@LucaxCorp]

Fates S rank weapons are a balancing hate crime and anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

I will die on the hill that the Pursuer and Excalibur are still good.

[@conorb.1901]

The main problem with Fates' silvers in my opinion isn't their debuffs, but their price. If you only need to kill one enemy and then that unit won't see combat for another few turns, then silvers are great, but they are about 4x more expensive than irons while they are most definitely not 4x better than said irons. It's a case of too expensive for nowhere near enough gain

[@arikaaa69]

@@conorb.1901 that’s true, and it’s exasperated by the forging system which makes upgrading it 4 times as expensive on top of that

[@LAZERAK47V2]

In the Master Lance's defense, weapon triangle advantage DOES matter for the Leif ring on enemy phase, since it synergizes with his other skill, Arms Shield, which provides True damage reduction if the unit has Weapon Triangle advantage. It's still an awful weapon, no question, but you do gain SOME benefit from it if the enemy attacking you is using a 2-range sword.

[@ceruleanvoice3538]

Yeah but I think everyone would prefer getting hit once for 15 than twice for 10 or 12 lol

[@LAZERAK47V2]

@@ceruleanvoice3538Oh, no question. That's why I typically avoid putting the ring on a frontliner, unless the extra build stat from the ring itself can compensate for the weapon's weight. The only time I ever seem to Engage with Leif is to unleash his Engage attack. For the most part, I just leave him unengaged, since units passively benefit from the Build buff and Vantage just by having him equipped.

[@naiRISE766]

One funny thing about Master lance is that if your Leif unit can use lance Leif will prefer a +0 unengraved Javelin over it. Since Adaptable uses total stats and Javelin has 86(80 hit 6 might) while Master lance has 62 (55 hit 7 might)

[@Pikachufan-hz4xb]

And then you get doubled and die

[@conorb.1901]

The game is at least smart enough to recognize that the master lance is terrible. If your unit has access to another range 2 weapon then the game will usually pick that. As an example, in one playthrough I used Leif on warrior Pannette, and gave her a killer bow along with the axe. As long as no thoron mages were there, Adaptable always picked the bow for ranged enemies.

[@tanphamnhat969]

Further coding into the game, I saw that Gleipnir has a unique thing that other Sacred Stones regalia don't have: It grants its user 3 WEXP instead of 1.

[@tanphamnhat969]

"Gleipnir grant 3 WEXP instead of 1? Can't wait to train Ewan's dark magic so that he can reach S-rank dark sooner"

[@lsrrr3857]

did you also find a code that gives units triple exp once they reach lv20?🤣🤣🤣

[@gloopatroopa3747]

Shoutout to the gba silver blade, which is heavy (for a sword), has shaky hit rate, but worst of all has only 15 uses, which is less uses than every single legendary weapon in the gba games iirc. All this for what exactly? 1 more might than the silver sword...

[@n00bplayer72]

> Fun fact: The only reason why I went through the trouble of building a +7 Silver Bow in Fates was to load it into my Ballistician, since their ballista ability won't trigger the penalties. (Also worth noting, bows with special attributes like the beast-effective Hunter's bow will apply to the ballista ability, giving you a beast-effective splash etc.) > I would argue Smashing weapons are pretty bad in Engage. I don't know what the devs were thinking having fragile _Lapis_ be the unit to demonstrate Smash weapons.

[@astralguardian5930]

Yeah...Louis or Jade would've been a better option. But I guess it was to commit to the Lapis trait of being physically stronger then appears, but still considering her low base Build it doesn't quite line up.

[@Mir-d3k]

While we're talking Smash weapons, Carwenhan. Thieves don't want the downsides it has, and it's range locked to boot. While it COULD be used to poison armored units... you get a better option for that purpose... as your reward for completing the very chapter you get Carwenhan in!! Also, Ukonvasara. Mega-heavy at 24 weight, and needs the unit to be a Berserker to use... when Berserker isn't a great class.

[@n00bplayer72]

@@Mir-d3k Actually both Jade and Vander have modifiers that bump their Axe rank up one level, so both of them have S rank in Classes that allow it. But yes, Berserker is awful in this game, which sucks because Panette loses her drip when you swap her into a Warrior

[@richardklein1167]

They chose Lapis to use Smash because they know a lot of people train up sword masters in their games, park one at an entryway and use their dodge rate like one would be using a general's defense to "negate" attacks. Smash is there for them to push back an enemy and place a more defensive unit like Timerra with "Ike" Ring in front of the enemy phase. I'm not sure I've liked either character, but that's there to teach players, "Hey, you know how you used to have dodge tanks with sword users? Well, you can't do that as much now unless your character is closer to a hero with enough defense to ignore some actual damage if it hits you. Break system will make them drop their sword if they get hit cutting down their stats and making them unable to counterattack." The only exception, as some people have shown in Engage already, is Kagetsu because he's their literal middle road character with enough capability to do what a sword master could do, dodge and strike back.

[@Kwang_Ko]

Several people already mentioned that weapon trianle does matter for Leif, but something else that needs to be mentioned about the master lance is that it's actually NOT the weapon prioritized to be equipped when played correctly. And "played correctly" is surprisingly not too hard to do. One thing Adaptability factors after counterattacking, weapong triangle and effectiveness damage, the third being irrelevant for Master Lance, is the weapon value. Weapon value is calculated by weapons mt+hit+crit+avo+ddg, and because Master Lance's horrendous hit, a base Javelin and Spear will both be prioritized over Master Lance. So as long as you don’t engrave it to lower the weapon value, a lance user will never have to suffer Enemy phase Master Lance. Not that this makes Master Lance any good, but it's worth noting when you are actually using Leif. I guess I should mention that due to this reason I like Timerra with Leif because as a Picket not only she's Lance user, but she's more meant to be a defensive unit who actually likes making use of Arms shield. Also extra build is always nice on Timerra. I can't deny that Sigurd is probably still a better Emblem than Leif for her, but Sigurd is more contested among units than Leif, so there’s definitely a room for it.

[@ritachikorita6916]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Bolganone in the original Mystery of the Emblem. Easily the heaviest obtainable tome in the game with 15 weight, the least accurate with 70 base hit, The highest WLV requirement at 14, and the least cost-efficiency (even if that isn’t really a problem in Fe3) at 150 gold per use. Not to mention that they can only be bought from the secret shop in Chapter 13 in book 2, and most enemies have so little resistance that You’re better off using literally anything else so long as you can double. Shaver tomes are also in the same secret shop, and have literally zero weight. While it’s probably not a contender for worst in the series, I certainly consider it the worst in the game.

[@Kruggov]

Funnily enough, I actually got a lot of use out of a Bolganone tome I bought in that shop, because it deals effective damage to Ice Dragons, and guess what you're fighting in this chapter and the next? Besides, having a high power tome IS a very good thing against dragons, with them having permanent 0 speed and all.

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

The Bolt Axe in PoR suffers from being in a game where Axe users have a poor Magic stat. I'm surprised you didn't include the Sol Katti from Blazing Blade. A legendary weapon with less Might than a Silver Sword and is so heavy Lyn stops doubling targets.

[@alexanderkosten7611]

It's not even good when the enemies use it - "Bolt Axe Shogun", anyone?

[@LiroRaeriyo]

@@pandabanaan9208 i had a playthrough awhile ago where jill got absolutely jacked magic for no explainable reason, i fed her every spirit dust as well and she actually capped magic which blew my mind, gave her both the bolt axe and flame lance and she did a decent job with em.

[@manologamerss5801]

​@@pandabanaan9208There's a character in Bells of Byelen that's a prepromoted Warrior with higher magic than strength.

[@specr1356]

I gave the Leif ring to Ivy and she still one round ko the opponent with Master Lance, but my Ivy was blessed by level ups (except speed but she doesn't get slowed down at all due to being bld blessed). I love whenever she says Leif's "I'll take it back...all of it." I think his lines fit with her motivation of retaking Elusia. I do think the brave effect should've been on all phases though.

[@BloodyAltima]

Side note, general efficiency consensus is that FE7 Luna wasn't even that broken, and that if you were gonna use a dark mage in the first place, Flux is generally better anyway. Enemy RES is mostly trash even on enemy mages, so that goose egg MT is generally not doing you as much as Flux against anything other than the odd boss, and those bosses who do actually have a RES worth noting are generally better off being stabbed to death anyway. It's a useful tool for certain situations, but it did not deserve to be done the way FE8 did it.

[@memetan_24]

Thracia hand axe is atrociously bad 6 might and 45 hit not only does it have low might but horrendous hit

[@dryzalizer]

Definitely not good, but FE6 hand axe having 50 hit in a game with much tougher enemies makes it even worse.

[@ness6099]

@@dryzalizereh, hand axe is usable in FE6, in particular Marcus and Zealot with their higher con can take care of javelin units well enough, and they’re 300 gold making them the cheapest 1-2 range option in the game. Not only are hand axes statistically worse in Thracia, but they don’t even complement how you want to be playing the game; axe units should be up front and abusing things like supports, skills, and the capture mechanic, plus there’s not many non-magic 1-2 range units unlike GBA FE, so the option is less of a necessity.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

I've found almost all of the non-brave or otherwise very special weapons in 3H to be worse than a forged training weapon. The higher weight cost and lower accuracy is just not worth it. Quite often it's the training weapon that deals the most damage anyway, because it doubles when the others don't. And they're dirt cheap with lots of durabilty too. Primarily they would have needed to lower the weight across the board or (probably better) have the weight reduction from strength be every 3-4 points instead of every 5 points.

[@artificialaceattorney6822]

I disagree. If I can't double the enemy but have good accuracy, I'll go for a combat art with a Steel or Silver weapon.

[@U2B4U]

@sunkeyavad6528 @artificialaceattorney6822 Both of these comments are true.

[@gg_sam7847]

Training Axe+ with Exhaustive Strike is very fun

[@twigz3214]

You use combat arts most of the time if you're using well built units anyway. Having a training weapon on hand can be nice for units like Catherine, Petra, Byleth, etc who rely more on raw stats but they can still easily double mid speed enemies with heavier weapons. Also if you're having hit issues weapon prowress and hit + 20 from archer goes a long way, and isn't hard to pick up on anyone who does physical combat if you try to grab it. I often find myself wanting D bows on anyone who does physical combat anyway just to have 3 range in case, so going to D+ isn't much extra. Generally of course I like to have a training weapon on most units just to have something to use to finish off something low without wasting durability on something better, or if they one round anyway with how squishy enemy mages are.

[@8bitowners]

Shoutout to the Flame Lance in Engage being worse than the levin sword in literally every way (including availability).

[@juhaniaho6698]

FE4 Iron weapons are the low point for iron weapons in the series. The iron sword has less might (6) compared to a SLIM SWORD (8), while the iron lance has equal might to a slim lance, a lance that weighs HALF of what all lances weigh. At least the iron axe is instrumental in order to get a Brave Axe for Lex in Chapter 1.

[@dryzalizer]

This is more that slim weapons in FE4 are quite good, not that irons are bad really. Iron bow is extra bad in FE4 though.

[@Fin0fLenster]

I think you're underselling just how strong the Iron Lance and Iron Axe are in Genealogy. 12 and 14 might are both very respectable damage. And since you can't go around buying infinite of any weapon it's not like you can just outfit everyone in Slim.

[@Kruggov]

​@@dryzalizer No, you only use irons in FE4 if you have nothing better. Iron Axe is invalidate by Steel Axe, and later Brave Axe since you get at most three axe users, and two of them want to use anything else (maybe give one of them a Silver Axe as a backup). Iron Sword is invalidated by anything else too, even more so due to all the C rank swords that are all better. The only time I have used an Iron Lance when anything else was available is on paladin Jeanne, and even then I later replaced it with a Slim Lance. And Iron Bow is useless once you Killer Bow and Brave Bow. I'd add another useless weapon from FE4 - the goddamn Aura tome. Because 20 Weight is just a massive oof, and in 2nd gen it directly competes against Nosferatu, and you're never picking Aura over Nosferatu after seeing how terrible Aura is firsthand.

[@juhaniaho6698]

@@Kruggov Yeah, FE4 not only has the worst Iron weapons, but the worst iteration of the Aura tome in the series. Wouldn't 10 weight have worked better?

[@Kruggov]

@@juhaniaho6698 Maybe, that's +20 avoid (and +10% Adept activation rate for Julia). Aura's biggest problem in Gen 1 is that it's literally the only weapon Deirdre has, so she has to deal with its 20 weight all the time, while in Gen 2 it is mutually exclusive with Nosferatu. EDIT: Huh. I have just realised that Brave Sword (and Killer Bow) are literally the most accurate weapons in the game, while Brave Axe is the lightest axe in the game. Weapon balance, what weapon balance?

[@Wildflower2760]

FE6 Hammer has gotta be one of the biggest middle fingers ever. It's somehow useless in a game with a decent amount of Armored lance bosses

[@ivanbluecool]

I feel fates did it well with giving legendary and basic weapons ups and downs aside the bronze weapons where crits are locked off. The weapons being non breakable would lead to spam so giving downsides is nice. Legendary wise aside Leo they are very good and it's especially cool ike has one only two range swords without the drawbacks. Wish more games had the forge system like 3 houses but just gold not specific ore to reforge weapons and allow them to be at full use. Engage wise again want more magic based weapons to be added to spice up the triangle.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Iron Sword +7 >>>>>> cuck Legendary Weapons

[@ethanwebster3764]

@@pandabanaan9208Magic swords and stuff is also cool in general in my opinion.

[@sharpeylogic2907]

Surprised Engage's Flame Lance didn't make it here. It is so blatantly worse than the other magic weapons it isn't even funny. The Levin Sword and Radiant Bow are incredible, with strong stats across the board making them usable on even low Mag units. The Hurricane Axe has a niche of being a flier auto-kill button. The Flame Lance comes in with -3 Mt, -10 Hit and an atrocious +5 Weight over the Levin Sword, making it weak, heavy and slightly inaccurate. It is a massive shame considering how cool it looks and I'm convinced IS made it suck only to make Mauvier an easier boss

[@baxterbruce9827]

Wh... Why not just nerf his boss stats? His boss version has separate stats from the playable version

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

I swear out of all magical weapons in the series, lances are the most inconsistent

[@tuandao2493]

The Flame Lance in Engage is a pretty massive turd. 16 wt and 10 might??? The Levin Sword is also 1-2 range, weights 5 less, and has 3 more might. Radiant bow has almost twice as much might, 5 less weight, and is effective against fliers. Hurricane axe is also a turd but has flier effectiveness

[@dracotias]

Hurricane Axe can be really good on specific units and if you build around it, essentially do all your killing on the enemy turn with a unit that can tank/dodge through it...Sure there are more optimal ways but the Axe can be HILERIOUS.

[@jaidora]

The dessert weapons from Engage, why bring potions when you can eat your own weapons?

[@Nikolaay2212]

Gaius and Asugi liked this

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

​@@Nikolaay2212Saizo the Third*

[@jaidora]

@@pandabanaan9208 I suppose so but it's more embarrassing when something like the fruit knife from Fates is better than a steel dagger or shuriken. A vast majority of Birthright's exclusive weapons, let alone Fates as a whole, were hit or miss and that goes double for the character specific weapons like Kagero's dart and the pebble Frederick gives you (weakest throwing knife in the game but gives a -8 on the opponent's stats).

[@Rabbitlord108]

Just be glad the Faceless from Fates couldn't restore their health by eating each other. That feels like a point Fire Emblem could've had cannibalism like it's Marvel's ultimate universe.

[@jaidora]

@@Rabbitlord108 honestly that would’ve been very interesting. I think Leo was the one who created the Faceless but if his creation was overtaken to be teething monstrosities that regenerate by eating each other would make them feel more threatening.

[@noahpokeemon6503]

Anyone else get sick of seeing -2 damage+skill post combat effects in fates?

[@pheonixmmkc]

Yes

[@JF-vz1ju]

It's probably the worst aspect of Fates gameplay wise. There has to be a better way of balancing weapons than gimping your stats. And making the legendary weapons borderline unusable was an awful decision.

[@elpopman2055]

Yep. It was pain.. But the greater pain was the writing and story of Fates

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

I do, I love playing that game but oh boy, I hate the debuffs

[@LoudWaffle]

I love Conquest but yeah I just stick to Bronze and Iron weapons, maybe sometimes I'll use a forged steel. Silver and legendary weapons were just terrible, unless being used for like the final hit on the boss of a map.

[@fla_vee]

Very enjoyable to hear you talk about this! I like these more detailed topics which also tend to sometimes be seen differently by different people. For instance, I like the moonlight tome in Fates, even though it is pretty useless considering the alternatives, just because it looks pretty. And Ginnungagap, while being an absolute trash heap of a weapon has a cool animation too. .. Sadly though, aesthetics isn't always the most relevant point to consider. 😂 I do wonder though if you have any favorites regarding attack animations? That's something I hear people rarely talk about. 👀

[@_GLXC]

I played a fates mod that reduces the downsides of S rank weapons, and I think units with those weapons are basically lategame jagens. They can 1round, if not 1shot a lot of bulkier enemies and help other units get kills with dual strike, or using 3 range weapons with dual strike to cheese bosses.

[@rockowlgamer631]

I literally grinded the best Great club I could for my girl Scarlet using the DLC fightathon that was added, gave her the skills necessary for a Vantage crit build since her special skill increases her crit rate when she's low on health. The Great Club adds more crit at the cost of hit rate and by grinding the club and forging it higher I increased the hit rate. General Scarlet with a +5 Great Club and +5 Defender Spear made her tanky as hell and hit hard. I'm so proud of her.........too bad she only lives in Birthright. I would use Silver weapons but they suck terribly, debuffing stats is not a good idea to use in a FE game.

[@Silith13]

Silver Longbow from Radiant Dawn insane high cost per use. Hand Axe and Hammer from Tear Ring Saga with their 35% hit rates. Hades Ω from Three houses. Inaccurate and extremely heavy A rank dark magic. No extra effects. Even a best case Edelgard will still lose about 9 speed while wielding it.

[@Mir-d3k]

Longbows in general were really bad in Radiant Dawn. Terrible hit, and their already bad accuracy takes a nosedive when attacking from 3 range. Hades at least has high might. Aura is probably worse; it's accuracy isn't much better (in fact, it has WORSE accuracy than Hades after prowess boosts), and all it has is high crit chance, which doesn't really salvage it. For that matter, all offensive white magic spells in 3H suck, EXCEPT Seraphim.

[@Bongyes]

A fun way to fox slim sword i saw in few fire emblem romhacks is to give it small stat boost to speed. This ensures its even faster than iron sword (because both have low weoght they are same speed woybout boosts) which might help you double some folks.

[@ChrilIo]

First of all, I'm surprised Fates' Nosferatu wasn't on the list. Using the Mine glitch to give a bishop access to Dark magic allows Gleipnir to actually be somewhat useful. And while Ginnungagap's debuff could be removed with a Dual Strike, using Replicate to make both the normal attack and the dual strike at the same target results in you never getting the debuff in the first place (provided the target lives to take the Dual Strike hit). Doesn't change the fact that it sucks though.

[@joe_simon]

Because Nostanking is still good in Fates. Of course not as strong as in other games but Conquest Odin with Nosferatu can tank a lot of stuff in the early game. Even on Lunatic. And even in the late game it's decent. Fates Nosferatu is still pretty good.

[@marcjehle2480]

If the debuff only activates when you attack and dont already have the debuff, cant you defeat an enemy with the Gap and deal Chip damage to another enemy when you have Galeforce as a skill?

[@twigz3214]

Fates Nos tanking is still great, Odin does it well in early and mid game Conquest and Ophilia also does it fantastically for a long portion of the game with vantage. It's not as strong as it was in Awakening but it's still good.

[@Typical_Tyeus]

You've mentioned them plenty of times, but the FE7 prf weapons are notoriously mediocre in the American version. The Rapier, Wolf Beil, and Mani Katti are extremely underwhelming for something that's lord locked. Actually....I think the rapier of horrid in almost every game its in.

[@alexanderkosten7611]

The Rapier is very good in FE1, where Marth is unironically one of the best units in the game and enemies prioritize him constantly, which leads to him getting lots of XP and becoming even better since his growths are vaguely acceptable rather than nigh-nonexistent like the rest of the roster.

[@Kruggov]

Maybe Rapier in FE7. Mani Katti is carried by its crit, and Wolf Beil is still a quite accurate axe with 10 Mt and effectiveness. As for other games, no rapier is not horrid. It's busted in FE1, it's decein in FE3 and Phina can use them too, in FE5 everyone can use them (at C rank) and armors are everywhere, in FE8 it's 7 Mt with triple effectiveness, so it's OK at worst (not as good as Reginleif, but no lord Prf is as good as Reginleif aside from maybe FE5 Light Brand), FE11-13 forging exists, cant say anything about Three Houses. So, basically the only games where rapier is meh is FE6 (bad might, WTD all the time, Roy is meh) and FE15 (you have to give up a killing edge).

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@Kruggov The 3H Rapier is one of the best Swords in the game imo.

[@ethanwebster3764]

Rapiers are useful against enemy knights as well

[@papersonic9941]

@@Kruggov I'd swap FE11 and FE6. I haven't played FE11, but from understanding Rapier isn't that good because Marth is bad and the game is full of Lances. Meanwhile, FE6 Rapier is a really accurate weapon in a game where you need all the damage you can get during the early game. Not an amazing weapon by any means, but decent.

[@bradleyharris774]

Damn Tellius is catching all the L's in this video.

[@GeoSage1137]

Would love to see a video on FE's Gag weapons sometime

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Oh, I'd love a rant about FE12/FE14 Frying Pan

[@DoctorSpacebar]

It's not bad, per se, but the ROM hack Last Promise had a pretty silly weapon: Charge, Eduardo's personal lance. It's got 5 might, 60 hit, 0 crit, and a brave effect. It's not *bad,* per se. You can potentially get use out of it if you're lucky. And if it was on a higher Skill unit, it'd be amazing. But it's on Eduardo, whose stats look less like a cavalier and more like a fighter, and that hit rate is *worse than the game's Steel Axe* (which is 65). It's going to miss. A lot. That said, if you save up your Secret Books...

[@johnathanedwards9054]

I'd say that the Master Lance definitely deserved that title in Engage, nothing really justified using it over either a spear or a brave lance aside from a small crit chance. Engage is very heavily player phase oriented with skills like Canto, Seadall being a dancer that you'd put in every time you could, and Byleth's Goddess Dance Engage Attack really meant the Master Lance was simply taking up a weapons slot in your inventory that you couldn't remove. I'd also put down Alear's unique sword Liberation since at base it is just a slightly better iron sword, but it has ridiculously good forging stats.

[@Telogor]

Gleipnir has one great use case as a nuke: 1. Use the Enemy Control glitch to get a copy of monster magic. 2. Use the monster magic with a Bishop until he gets a level in Dark. 3. Increase his Dark to S 4. Use Gleipnir + Slayer for a 69-might weapon. You can oneshot Fomortiis with a crit. Or, more likely, you'll die to the counterattack after not critting.

[@roboscout64]

I honestly think the fates' s-rank weapons are overhated. They're not the most efficient to use just because they are each locked to a single class and it takes significant effort to get to s-rank in fates alongside low availability, but the weapons themselves are honestly decent options when you can use them. They have genuinely massive might that you aren't going to match with a forge unless you grind for a LONG time, since the cost to forge grows exponentially with each level. Each of them also has bonus stats alongside their might that add some utility to them (ranged weapons give +5 effective speed, hagakure gives you avoid, waterwheel has def/res, aurgelmir has crit). The downsides hurt (durability for the ranged weapons, halving strength for melee) But it's worth noting that the halved strength effects does not apply to skills. And considering 5/6 basegame classes with an s-rank weapon have a faire-skill, that's going to help out your damage. As mentioned in the video, you can also use attack stance to remove the debuffs. On the other hand however, attack stance doesn't proc the debuffs, so you can have ally units temporarily switch to the legendary weapons to give allies very strong attack stance hits without any downsides. They aren't fantastic, and availability isn't good outside of revelation, but I think they are more usable than a lot of people give them credit for.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

The Pursuer and Excalibur are some of my favorite weapons in the game. They're high-risk for their reward, and you don't get punished just for using them.

[@Lex_Araden]

There is one devastating use of the Hammer in 3 Houses. It let's you use the Magic Axe Combat Art and get Armor effectiveness against Edelgard (and Fortress Knights, though the silver axe is usually enough for those).

[@pearlgalaxy]

... Why in the world is your Rinkah a Sorcerer

[@Tesla2586]

Sorcerer Master Race : 3

[@Rabbitlord108]

Heck. Oni Chieftain lets her use Magic & Clubs.

[@lagspike7763]

8:10 Fire tome. You want a Fire tome, not a Thunder tome. 12 more hit at +2 vs Thunder +1 for the same cost. You want a Fire tome.

[@lagspike7763]

And silvers aren’t bad because of the debuff, they’re bad because of the 5 crit avoid penalty.

[@danny18894]

Thanks for another amazing Video Ghast , Wenlove and appreciate your work on these. I enjoyed hearing about this video idea prior from the S Rank Podcast so it was great to see it all in one video.

[@skynet0912]

I don't understand what it is i'm doing differently from everyone else, but i never seem to have problems with Leifs master lance in Engage, even on Maddening... Sometimes it messes up, but just knowing that it can happen, also makes it very easy to avoid getting in trouble with it too. And honestly, i think Adaptability has saved me more than it has screwed me, especially when i forget that enemies can have both 1 and 2 range attacks, and the weak might of the weapon avoids me suffering from success when enemies start stacking up chain attacks. I think the only strange thing i do in Engage, is that i never allow broken combinations of engage skills on my characters, and only allow stacking the same stat boosts like Build on Leif, on top of being engaged with him. So if i put Leif on someone, that person is only allowed Knife Precision and Build as inherited skills (as they are the only ones that stack). So it might be because my Leif user always ends up with a +10 Build buff, i can't say for sure, but it seems to work just fine for me...

[@CasualFehPlayer-rf6sl]

I haven’t played all games and I’m no expert but from the ones I have played: FE7-Most of the weapons from the last chapter especially Sol Katti, Durandel and Gespenst All too heavy for anyone to use effectively. FE8-All Dark magic, though Glepnir was terrible I feel it applies to practically every dark spell in a game where Anima is more reliable and light is pretty much broken in the hands of a Bishop not to mention sages and valkires can also use it means dark magic was dead from the start. Awakening- Glass weapons They took the meaning to a whole new level with these ones literally 3 uses. Fates-Literally every silver weapon It was easier to use a refined Iron or steel weapon than deal with silvers dumb mechanic Echoes Venin weapons but particularly the bow poor might terrible hit rates gimmicky mechanic and rarity that almost rivals the relics literally no need to use them. Three houses is a hard one but I have to agree with the hammer I literally never used it but there was also that bow that was locked too Mercedes’s crest in Dimitri’s route I can’t remember its name but I never used it. Engage- the S rank bow who’s name I can’t remember Much like most of its type you get I stupidly late not to mention it’s too expensive to refine when I a +5 steel bow worked way better. Also I’ll probably never play Thracia 776 so could someone tell is the master lance good in its original game? I know it’s bad in engage but I always like using it just for fun.

[@fakesmile172]

FE1 Iron Lance: same might, hit, and uses as a steel sword, but 2 more weight and only 1 lower weapon level requirement. Not awful but almost useless as most lance-using classes can also use swords. FE3 Javelin: 20 weight, 70 hit. GBA steel lances are just bad in general, but they're at their worst in FE6.

[@AzureGreatheart]

I still want to know what the thought process was behind Radiant Dawn thunder magic. They made changes that meant that proper balance _required_ good thunder magic, then nerfed mages in general, but _especially_ thunder magic, into the abyss. The splitting of mages into three classes _already_ addresses some of the balance issues with thunder from PoR, so that was just dumb.

[@Longshotter]

Actually i use Leif in FE Engage on Kagetsu, while he gets an accuracy buff during his turn and brings more defense on him. Offense isn`t to worry, if it`s Kagetsu, the slaughtermaster himself. Dodge, defense and a kill in the next turn. Speed Taker and Resolve include.

[@harrisonsmith958]

I stil cant get over how fun and dynamic engage endgame maps were on maddening

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Pro tip. With the Replicate, you can use the "half stat" weapons without penalties, if you just pair each unit that uses them with their replica in attack stance.

[@zenronez1158]

(previously on faerghast) Ghast: Oh my God don't tell me I forgot his name. What is your name! (Now resuming upcoming faerghast video)

[@deadlypandaghost]

Slim/training weapons are specifically for setting up kills for project units. They are not actual killing weapons and are always immediately replaceable with iron.

[@Venkintus]

Surprised he did add the fe 6 legendary weapons, the only weapons in any fire emblem game too my knowledged that you can be punished for using sens eyou can lose the true ending for overusing any one of them

[@gryphose1849]

To be fair to Thoron in Radiant Dawn, all Thunder magic was nerfed badly in comparison to Path of Radiance. In PoR, Thunder was the high-damage/low-accuracy element, contrasted to Wind's low-damage/high-accuracy. But for some reason with RD, they swapped the damage and left the accuracy.

[@Mir-d3k]

Bolting got the worst of it though. In Path of Radiance, it had 13 might. Radiant Dawn knocked it down to only 6 might, and for good measure, it needs to be stolen off enemies. But with how bad it is... it almost feels like it is not worth it.

[@gameboyn64]

Here's a couple more. Stonehoist and fire from fe1, hand axe from fe 4, the long sword from fe 7 and 9, and the light tome from fe 9.

[@BobbyCorwen42]

Such slander for the double bow. The massive bulk of enemies in maniac means this is a completely safe way to chip a bulky target in order to take them down. Not one rounding with it is a complete moot point as the idea is to simply not get countered while you deal damage to a dangerous target, while also keeping proper space for positioning. It's just good design.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

The craziest part about the fates legendary weapons is they’re all class locked too. Literally ONLY spear masters can use the s rank lance, only sword masters the hagakure blade, etc. It’s absolutely wild

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Actually Lodestars can use the Hagakure Blade and Witches Excalibur

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 well those are dlc classes so I don’t own them 😔

[@tatlxtael2303]

Wow I never realized Luna was so bad in fe8, I never noticed cause of how broken resistance penetrating was

[@ByoKora775]

Wind magic and I mean all of em in awakening and Radiant Dawn were completely useless if I remember correctly cuz Pegasus units had too high resistance

[@diegotheolive8329]

Iron Weapons in fe4. They have the same weight and hit% as steel weapons, but less might. Slim swords weigh less than iron, but have have 5 more might(8), and have higher hit%.

[@wronghouse5833]

Can we talk about how the footage shows Ilyana with a blessed Thoron instead of Rexbolt

[@dabbingperson9236]

The Wayward Lance from Echoes is also pretty bad, especially for a DLC weapon. Mostly because it only has 70 hit in a game where (at least in my experience) hit rates are shaky as is. That and Heaven or Hell being a terrible weapon art, making your attack either crit twice or miss twice, while also lowering your hit by another 30. The only thing really saving it from being complete trash is it’s got decent might (3 at base to 10 at full forge) and good crit (20 at base with 30 at full forge).

[@richardklein1167]

Um, has anyone mentioned something like the Horse Slayer/Ridersbane or the anti-triangle weapons like Lancereaver? I've had times where I put them on characters in areas with units they are effective against on player phase or enemy phase only to have my particular character whiff their hit rate and get critical hit by 1-3% chances. Why give them some reverse effect of it's not effective at killing the enemy they're supposed to hurt?

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

I don't know about past FEs, but Dual Weapons in Fates are pretty good when used correctly

[@jaynemesis3055]

The Devil Axe... it kills you at random

[@Expelsword014]

You can get some meme use out of Gleipnir if you use glitches to get monster weapons (which count as no rank Dark ) to give your Bishops a Dark rank. Gleipnir isn't double effective against monsters like all the other Sacred weapons, but with Slayer it can be triple effective! (Ivaldi is actually slightly weaker than Aura with Slayer, but it is substantially lighter and could be used by Sages who don't have Slayer). Even this isn't that great, unfortunately since it's just so heavy. Getting 69 MT for one hit is cool, but doubling with Ivaldi would be 68 total MT anyway, so unless the monster has a ton of Res or you can't chance a counter it's a vanity thing.

[@ByoKora775]

The only real use for a slim is to use it to disarm opponents for better weapons in Radiant Dawn honestly I remember when I would disarm every enemy when I got disarm greatest memories ever heck I remember trying hard to get the distance or siege times bolting and meteor with disarm good times

[@Mir-d3k]

Bowguns are better for that as they have fixed might. Also, Bolting is complete ass in RD.

[@Americawtff]

Playing Thracia New Theory and Fe4 (permb hack) has made me appreciate the wind times so Much

[@ferintown6628]

I will say that the halving of str/mag is not as bad as it sounds It doesn’t stack it’s a toggle so you can just attack with it again and switch back its might Though the only useful weapon with this effect imo is the crescent bow

[@Kruggov]

Ginnungagap is probably OK on a mixed attacked Dark Knight, as you can alternate between physical and magical attacks to dodge the "halved magic" issue.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

You don't actually have to worry about it there is an exploit with Replicate that negates it, discovered and detailed in the TV Tropes page by yours truly.

[@butteredsalmonella]

Just get a Bishop with S in Dark Magic and Gleipnir finally gets a niche lol!

[@charsage1036]

Im surprised for fe6 you didn't mention the hilarious 10 accuracy tome in Eclipse like seriously it's only use is to break walls.

[@MrGksarathy]

Pleasantly surprised that I agreed with pretty much this entire list. I would also add Rexbolt from Radiant Dawn because chances are no one will ever use it.

[@Kruggov]

I mean, that's only if you ditch Ilyana. And there's definite highs to using Rexbolt, especially against GOLDOA WILL NOT MOVE.

[@Mir-d3k]

At least Rexbolt has a use, namely against King GOLDOA WILL NOT MOVE. That's more than I can say of Balberith. While we're talking about thunder magic and Radiant Dawn, Bolting. Bolting has a big track record as a fearsome spell to see on enemy units, especially bosses... and then there's Radiant Dawn, where Bolting is... frankly, really bad. Compared to Path of Radiance, RD Bolting has -7 might (!!!) as well as 19 weight. For that matter, the other long range spells got similar nerfs. As an extra kick in the nuts, Bolting MUST be stolen from enemies... and there's only three chances to do so... and on top of that, one of those is in the 5 part endgame, and its user has nothing else. For how many hoops you have to jump through to get it, it's really really bad.

[@IcyDragonPolaris]

That Double Bow range *had* to have been an oversight, right? ... right?

[@DarkWorldQ8]

Axes and Fire tomes in Genealogy are bad because they weight a lot, and weapon will reduce attack speed no matter what. Fire tomes are so heavy that they neglect the disadvantages it has over wind magic, and it will make the fire mage more likely to be doubled.

[@samkeiser9776]

Lief is good if you… don’t get any of his other weapons and just use him to vantage wrath with a warrior equipped with a killer bow, killer axe, and long bow.

[@Cuprite1024]

I don't know much about Fire Emblem, but the last one feels weird to me. Like, who said "Let's give this character an ability that removes player agency!" and genuinely thought it was a good idea?

[@ilmoro2659]

FE8 SHORTBOW, its way more expensive than a silver bow, and i think weaker than a iron bow, the special about it is the x2 wexp

[@grahamdamberger7130]

I'm surprised the tree branch, log, and ladle from Awakening weren't mentioned here. Maybe the weapons listed make those joke weapons look decent enough to utilize?

[@Kruggov]

They are joke E rank weapons only obtainable from action tiles, and IIRC they also have the highest hit in their category.

[@charsage1036]

Surprised for fe6 you didn't mention the hilariously bad 10 accuracy tome in Eclipse like ya steel axe is heavy and inaccurate but you can actually hit stuff on occasion with it meanwhile the only use for Eclipse is turning those annoying 100 hp walls into 1 hp walls.

[@voltron77]

Knifes on pre promotion sages is actually a genoux idea, it makes it so that if you want a sage that can use staves, then you have to train one yourself. It also makes pre promotes not immediately better the normal sages you’d have to train.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

All the Silver weapons from Fates should be here on the video, they're so horrible, like, they only work on enemy's advantage and not player's advantage, plus, the debuff are so comically dumb your unit will become useless until they attack again Also the Beast Stone+ from Fates belongs in here too, stackable debuff that may get your Selkie/Velouria useless if you use it 8+ in a row, I never thought it was bad until I leveled up Selkie several levels and notice it

[@radiantherooftellius1138]

I love these vids faerghast, i love how u went into fe weapons

[@Meladoom]

I genuinely have no clue why I love watching your videos late at night, something's so cozy about them...

[@redheadrebel9581]

I petition to add the Hero's Relics of Three Houses to the list. Durability is a bit of an issue in that game, but come on. These weapons have been weilded for centuries by champions of lore and created by the most advanced civilization on the continent out of godlike beings, but they'll break if I even think about using it's signature art more than once a playthrough? I'll just take a forged silver weapon in that case.

[@hungrytaco6879]

Also the fact that their reforge materials are super rare makes it even worse

[@ResurgentRaven]

I'd go out of my way to say that only the lance and axe ones (besides Aymr and Areadbhar obviously) are actually bad, as well as Balthus' Relic (love you bro, but your relic is mid). The rest are actually solid choices. Failnaught is an extemely powerful longbow, Blutgang is a more powerful Levin Sword at 1 range, Sword of the Creator has 1-2 range, Thunderbrand has higher durability and the brave effect, and the rest are all accessories, and therefore have nice and unique effects that make them better to have than your average Hexlock Shield. Probably the worst one is Crusher (Annette's weapon). You can only get it in Dimitri's route, it's heavy and for a magic unit like Annette, this weapon isn't worth using at close range. And its combat art isn't as strong as a lot of the other ones.

[@IWish2500]

Durability alone doesn’t make heroes relics bad imo. Areadbhar and RD Thoron have the same amount of uses and I’d much rather use Areadbhar

[@ChrilIo]

@@ResurgentRaven Crusher is lighter than a steel axe and has the strongest non-scaling combat art in the game at +20 Mt (it's Hit does suck though)

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@hungrytaco6879 You literally fight more dragons than any other monster in the game, Umbral Steel is not rare at all

[@jierdareisa4313]

I love ALL Faerghast videos!!!! ❤