Firearms Expert Reacts To Necromunda: Hired Gun’s Guns

[@KorporalNoobs]

"... or a Nerf Maverick." Ok, he really is an expert of the field.

[@dd11111]

I really hope they do an episode where he reacts to nerf guns. Cause some of those are way more complex and interesting than you'd first think)

[@muckus_the_macka7340]

I have one on top of my shelf when he mentioned it i looked over to it and just giggled

[@neilaquino5294]

A REAL MAN OF CULTURE!!!

[@HoodWeegee]

I could've swore he mentioned that the Royal Armouries made a temporary Nerf section before as like an April Fools Day joke.

[@angelusnielson7135]

What I like the most about this series is that he's a gamer, too. He's not so uptight that he doesn't realize that if you're not ARMA you don't need to be hyper-realistic.

[@alberich3099]

God, wearing a "ghost" t-shirt and calling it the rule of cool. Damn one needs more curators like him.

[@phillipmele8533]

I suspect there’s plenty like him, there is a minimum amount of nerdiness necessary to be a museum curator in the first place after all.

[@basey3219]

was about to comment about the ghost shirt

[@gutfrets1693]

that’ll be all of us when younger people start to have positions like this lol

[@Sterben1031]

@Angry JayByrd daily reminder there are leftist firearm enthusiasts

[@BOYVIRGO666]

I love how in context in 40k 'why are none of these silenced?' reason 'because it would displease the machine spirit' is a totally viable and thematic answer.

[@Vanastar]

Or because it would spoil the intimidation factor of the weapons when used in the apparently standard Napolionic regimental battle line tactics that are in use.

[@S0renz]

A suppressor would anger the Machine Spirit! It likes it loud!

[@TheSchultinator]

@@S0renz Tech-priest! I think this weapon was infected by Ork spores!!

[@S0renz]

@@TheSchultinator You do realize that Astartes Bolters are loud for this reason as well, yes, Guardsman? But in their case each shot that rings out across the battlefield is a prayer to the gods of battle.

[@TheSchultinator]

@@S0renz Yes, but this weapon is speaking brokenly, like an Ork, sir

[@lawrencewatts1838]

"We're cheating some physics there" Bravo to the video editor who put that line over footage of the player double-jumping.

[@jacobbradshaw995]

Lol! 10:25 for anyone wondering. :)

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

We are talking about a world that has Orks, Egyptian Terminator Robots and Daemons that break te laws of Physics so why wouldn't the IOM have stuff that does that too lol

[@rareraven]

It's warp... Stuff... Warp stuff, ohw Kay? Look, don't ask so many questions, we need more Dakka! I didn't say that, Mister Inquisition, sir... I DIDN'T SAY THAT!! AAAH

[@Liminal.Headspace]

Taken from the wiki, on Bolters and Bolts The propellant itself is shaped to control the bolt's direction and speed; however, this method of rocket propulsion would normally warp the barrel due to gas pressure. The Bolter uses an ingenious two-stage method to prevent this. As well as the rocket propellant, a small conventional charge is also utilised. This charge is strong enough to force the bolt out of the barrel at a significant muzzle velocity, and simultaneously ignite the bolt's propellant. The rocket-propellant is precisely fused to ignite immediately as the bolt leaves the barrel, alleviating any possibility of pressure build-up. The bolt then accelerates toward the target under its own power.

[@lexcrowne4546]

A Bolter Round can actually be considered a three stage round, as they're not only explosive, but have the 40k equivilant of a tungsten carbide core spike, that the explosion of the round is meant to propell into and through the target, while blowing off any kind of ablative or conventional armor.

[@11jerans]

Does that mean you have to feed your bolter very specific rounds? Like if I have an 18" barrel bolt rifle, then I would need 18" bolt rounds, and if I put in 9" bolt rounds meant for a pistol, the barrel on my rifle might explode?

[@Kevlin0069]

@@11jerans What sort of noob tech servitor tries to load 9mm pistol rounds into a 7.62 rifle magazine? HERESY!

[@11jerans]

@@Kevlin0069 I don't think you understood the nature of my question. Bolter pistols and bolter rifles are the same caliber, but bolts meant for a shorter barrel mean they have shorter fuse and might ignite the rocket while it's still in the barrel of a rifle, which would cause the gun to explode, by the explanation above. Don't ever question my devotion to the Omnissiah again.

[@thatguy4544]

@@11jerans Well luckily while that could happen, some tech priest was smart enough to standardize bolt barrel lengths. It should be said that it seems like every variant of boot gun also has a different kind of bolt shell, as in a different caliber almost, at least by that logic.

[@MrSaturn012]

Out of all of the "expert reacts" videos out there, Jonathan is the best at this. Not only does he know guns and gun history, but he also knows games. He is able to look past obvious flaws and unrealistic things and focus on the "what if". He also never takes it *too* seriously, so we get a good show out of it too ;)

[@SqueakyNeb]

And he can even go as far as "that's nonsense, but I think it's for gameplay balance". Top stuff.

[@nihoimahnoi1096]

It does really give him yet another thing that sets him apart from others. It is fare more fitting to have a guns in games commentator who actually can add to the dialogue the possible reasons why there are inaccuracies for gameplay sake rather than just take it far too seriously and dismiss it as just "bad because inaccurate."

[@ellagrant6190]

I do find he strikes a good balance between 'this is a game' and 'serious analysis.'

[@Girvo747]

“Pumping away” after talking about its… er… “phallic” looks… I see what you did there Jonathan haha

[@VileScarMind]

You're dead right about bolters being two stage - there was supposed to be an expelling charge. The caseless aspect I think just comes down to designers not understanding what it means or how to model it.

[@AGrumpyPanda]

Most things in the 40k universe need to go through a slight filter of 'the writers don't always understand how things work,' but with a bit of common sense they check out.

[@spookmeyer970]

also those giant soda can sized casings flying out looks awesome. theres probably a degree of testing where people think it's weird there's no casings coming out, as that's something even the mostly firearm illiterate have picked up on "gun go bang, case come out". People expect it. Then again, they also miss when it doesn't happen all the time in movies and tv so who knows.

[@GeordieSwordsman]

"...which is bonkers." Gentlemen. Welcome to Necromunda.

[@CallanElliott]

Welcome to Warhammer in general

[@petriew2018]

@@CallanElliott 'Rule of Cool' is an actual force of the natural world

[@cymoncheng9644]

@@petriew2018 and that force is the thinkin’ of da orkz

[@therasslintheatre2960]

WELCOME TO ESTALIA, GENTLEMEN!

[@CallanElliott]

@@therasslintheatre2960 I SHALL NOT LIE, THE CHANCES OF YOUR SURVIVAL ARE SMALL! ((Wrong game, but anyway.

[@nikhilnayyar2623]

This guy is so devoted to guns he reacts to everything that starts with the word gun.

[@cottonballs185]

Almost as if though they're his life's work or something

[@nikhilnayyar2623]

@@cottonballs185 I won't be surprised to know if he probably sleeping with em guns. But he is a good expert tho regardless.

[@hiramabiff604]

I appreciate the fact that he's wearing a Ghost shirt with a chaos symbol on it while looking at warhammer 40k weaponry. [Insert obligatory heresy comment here, the Emperor protects and all that]

[@balss248]

The “Stub Guns” that fire brass casings are cheap in the 40k universe

[@tau-5794]

Also, the reason why primitive weapons like stub/autoguns still exist in 40k is not just that technology has been lost, but because they're so damn cheap and easy to manufacture even compared to common weapons like lasguns. Stubguns are about equivalent to WW2 era weapons, and autoguns are about equivalent to modern/near future weapons. Examples being heavy stubbers = Browning machine guns, stub rifles = M1 Garands, autocannons = 40mm autocannons, and autoguns being caseless assault rifles, or something similar. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@SaveMeXenu]

@@tau-5794 Don't forget also that they're used during boarding actions in space ships. They aren't powerful enough to go through the hulls.

[@masterzoroark6664]

@@tau-5794 Well. Seems even more legit for the setting of Necromunda aka Gang violence central

[@POTUSJimmyCarter]

It's odd that some sources insist that autoguns are all caseless and the term "stub gun" differentiates the more archaic cased rounds, but then others (like this game seemingly) just define an autogun as anything that's capable of automatic fire. Which is odd, because the heavy stubber is pretty uniformly referred to as such even though it's definitely automatic.

[@terrelldurocher3330]

@@tau-5794 lasguns are not even used by civilians. At least not widely, it's purely army type weaponry.

[@DistantFred]

Jonathan, what you need to remember about 40K as a setting is that practicality is rarely the preeminent concern in manufacturing. A good touchstone might be the Chinese Warlord Era pistols your friend Ian is currently kickstarting a book about. The people making the weapons are largely just copying things from places and languages they don't understand, because someone up the hierarchy tells them to. The pointless hammers are like a Chinese Mauser copy's nonfunctional ladder sight- there because the design is 'supposed' to have them.

[@davidfartwinkle2198]

Honestly this guy is the only reason anyone watches this channel.

[@sevenfold3415]

Yep im here only for Jonathan

[@thealgerian3285]

Must be why these videos are getting more and more stupid with more and more completely irrelevant games.

[@neonghost8608]

Same

[@ranbojd1070]

@@thealgerian3285 how are they irrelevant?

[@nicktanaka]

Yup, I think he's the sole reason the channel still have so many views.

[@Coyote_Man]

Jonathan wearing that Ghost shirt just got more of my respect

[@gundricsgamesandhistory.9450]

The tech and wealth strata in Necromunda, as in any 40k hive world, would be wildly divergent. You can go from scavvies at the sump of the hives, armed with pointy sticks up to fully power armoured top hive hive nobility with esoteric or xenos weaponry. So literally anything in-between is possible, hence some of the low tech, but serviceable, anachronistic weaponry.

[@InsomniacDoggo]

From what I understand, Bolters work exactly the way you described. The initial casing launches the projectile out of the weapon and upon leaving the barrel the rocket kicks in and accelerates the round even more, and the explosive charge in the round is set on a small delay so goes off after it has penetrated a target. all of that would be pretty difficult to get across in a fast paced shooter like this so I dont blame them for going with "assault rifle but big and with HE rounds.

[@inspirationaljam3212]

My mans back only person keeping this channel alive.

[@murphy7801]

Literally only Vids I watch on this channel

[@ineedscissors6176]

damn he has a ghost shirt, sick

[@wikihowfrog9034]

Another reason to like him

[@dodgeman777]

Jonathan describing things as ‘very metal’ has brought me joy today

[@TaylorSimmons616]

I love hearing Jonathan nerd out about, not only firearms, but video games he likes as well. He's a perfect fit for this series.

[@AndrewConlan]

there will always be brass cased ammunition in the 40k universe, mainly because of ease of manufacture, there will always be the materials to make conventional ammunition for the common citizen of a galactic empire.

[@quin.disfigured]

2:30 the ghost bc shirt makes jonathans status as a legend and man of culture once more justified

[@Happymali10]

"Firearms" "*Title of shooter-game*" "Guns" "Intended for mature audiences" Yeah what a surprise.

[@Fede0779]

Lol

[@Tunkkis]

Huh?

[@fromthebackseat4865]

Who cares? Don’t children of today know you never use your actual birthdate on websites?We knew that when I was growing up during the dawn of the internet. As far as websites are concerned I’ve been 18 since 1995.

[@Gameoflegendstv]

someone seriously needs to hire this guy for advice on weapon design. love this guy

[@cerealslayer7291]

"But what do I know?" - The Firearms Expert

[@igorthelight]

The more you know - the less you think you know.

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

I would really love to see a reaction to the guns, jams, and catastrophic failures of Far Cry 2's weaponry. I think even lefty guns aside he will enjoy those details a ton!

[@Ragnarok8807]

I'm pretty sure some of them would give him an aneurysm though

[@matg919]

In necromunda most of the guns are craft made copies of military arms similar to guns made in Brazil or the Khyber pass today so them been a bit strange fits.

[@Crazyasian123456]

Has John reacted to the weapons from the Halo universe? It'd be interesting to see his reactions to the UNSC and Covenant weapons. (Forerunners don't count)

[@ARTEMISXIX]

I'd love to see that. I actually think he'll react very positively to the og UNSC weapons, even the assault rifle

[@tostie3110]

Yes, even forerunner weapons could be quite cool just to show off the concept

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

@@ARTEMISXIX MA5B is somewhat cheating physics tho

[@crabbykronos7647]

The BEST expert ive seen on this channel. Brutal Honest

[@forman596]

Warhammer nerd here for the lore. "Autogun" refers to any brass firing gun like we have nowadays. They are used because at this point we have such experience in making them they are dirt cheap. This is a timeline where laser weapons are considered cheap so imagine how many of these we can push off a fully automated assembly line.

[@Shadowrunner523]

Ide love to see him talk over 40k lore with him. A lot makes much more sense once you understand the background. Like the presence of archaic guns. Your in an under hive, old designs will be the norm. The nice future toys are mostly in the hands of the real military forces.

[@RaderGH]

Great video. Something to consider with 40K: I think depending on which military branch, location or STC you get your weapons from you could get any number of possible weapons with the same name. Your bolter could be different from one on the opposite side of the planet, never mind the galaxy.

[@SimonLe2704]

When will we have him reacted to the game Squad? It's a half realistic half casual FPS and the gunplay is very good in my opinion

[@peppernwarming6226]

Whould be cool to see him react to Payday 2, Killing Floor 2 and/or Generation Zero

[@DavidCowie2022]

IIRC most of the weapons in Generation Zero are real world weapons with the names changed a bit, so he should have plenty of examples on hand.

[@peppernwarming6226]

@@DavidCowie2022 yep

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@DavidCowie2022 and, the Ak4, Ak5, GRG, KSP-58 and the 6.5mm mauser are all really fun to shoot irl. The Glock17, not so fun imo. I found the G17 too light in the frame for the 9×19mm m/39B cartridge I was provided with bybthe owner of the gun to test it at a firing range. (I used to compete at amateur level pistol sports about a decade ago) The m/39B was developed as a +P+ cartridge for the Kpist m/45 with a harder copper alloy jacket and a hotter powder load than the international standard for 9×19mm parabellum FMJ in order to defeat the improvised body armor and steel lined civilian vehicles used by the Katangan militia and mercenaries in the Congo crisis.

[@frameception2370]

thank god i'm not the only one who gets dirty thoughts from seeing the ballsack drum mags

[@richardbell7678]

In the dark ages of WH40K (circa 1989), a stub guns and autoguns were variations of contemporary firearms that lasted into the forty first millenium, because they were easy to manufacture and cheap. A heavy stubber is the 40K equivalent of a contemporary general purpose machinegun.

[@enkiduo]

I'm so happy your making fun of the double drum barrel 40 round pump shotgun. That was the one that I was like where on earth did this ridiculousness come from. I love how it blocks the whole screen when you are reloading as well

[@PhantomJay909]

Yesssss more Jonathan!

[@justicar5]

Bolters are supposed to be two stage, shotgun like first velocity, then the rocket kicks in, (for most rounds, some don't, the Stalker rounds for instance have no vapour trail) Also GHOST good choice. Plasma weapons have comparable impact to a single target shaped charge, think LAW or RPG-7, they can and have been used to take out light and medium vehicles. Auto-guns are roughly modern assault rifles and machine pistols, Stubbers are large calibre weapons, such as hunting revolvers, general purpose and heavy machine guns etc.. Since 40k is basically scavenger world tech after several apocalypses , and in general, the Imperium is less concerned about people with access to modern equivalent personal weapons, shotguns, rifles and similar have hung around, because Changing designs and innovation are Tech-Heresy and the TechPriests will kill you for it, and you don't need TechPriest level factories to make them, so gangs still use them, some Planetary Defence Forces still use them, even some full on Imperial military units still use heavy stubbers as vehicle weapons, because the sacred designs call for them, and changing sacred designs = burned at the stake if you are lucky....

[@popinmo]

It would actually be a genius design irl

[@justicar5]

@@popinmo like miniature rocket assisted artillery,

[@VestedUTuber]

Regarding the bolter, that's always been an issue with video game depictions. No matter how many times you tell the devs that bolters are caseless rocket-propelled rounds, game devs will still depict them as having cases and using a propulsion charge because "tHe PlAyEr ExPeCtS 2 SeE cAsInGs". As for stubbers, they're basically just heavy machine guns. You commonly see them mounted on tanks as an alternative to a storm bolter.

[@_M0MSY_]

Just want to Jonathan knows ONE THING : Thank you MASSIVELY to introduce me to Ghost !!!! THANK YOU JONATHAN!!!!!

[@HAWKS_NEXTLEVEL]

He should react to the weapons of Titanfall and Apex, Especialy now that he said that in 12:00 He would like the iron sight of the 301 And The mastiff

[@_tonypacheco]

I'd love to hear his opinion on the triple take 😂

[@ryugekiken435]

Love that he’s wearing a ghost shirt

[@Tapperje16]

Jonathan is so amazing and fun too watch, and the Ghost shirt! Big freakin' win!

[@LecherousCthulhu]

I would love it if games workshop said that Bolters are actually a 2 part system where a projectile is thrown forward using a railgun magnetic system and then the spin and futher acceleration happens from the rocket propellant which turns on after the shot has left the barrel. It would make the bulkiness of the Bolter seem more realistic as it would need that extra room to hold the railgun parts. It would also make sense that (if we're able to use a rail gun on ships today) we would be able to figure out a hand held railgun system and need the rocket propellant to add the rifling effect.

[@triippy...6476]

Love the Ghost shirt, hopefully he actually knows what he's wearing

[@MCSWEATS]

Jonathan Ferguson: Dark side of the Nerf guns is a pathway to many weapons some consider to be unnatural

[@roamlangevin4582]

The blue glow on the plasma is the cooling coils, they help keep the plasma gun more stable and less prone to randomly explode, but even with the cooling could they still sometimes randomly explode

[@kelleymcmahan6457]

Correct information on the Boltgun it is supposed to be a two stage RAP round. it used an unlisted propellant charge to expel the mini rocket out of the barrel where the flight motors take over. It is listed in the game materials to be roughly 75 caliber or just about 10 gauge (19mm)

[@ThisFinalHandle]

Game devs are taking notes.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

You'd hope.

[@igorthelight]

@@TRIIGGAVELLI Look at Insurgency and Squad ;-)

[@NPLMAgentOrange]

As Johnothan is certainly aware, Gyrojet rounds are efficient at range more so than point blank, the reason being that Gyrojet rounds have to reach terminal velocity before they are properly effective. I'm certain that somewhere in some long forgotten tidbit of lore the Bolt rounds were caselss but that isn't the case on the whole, as explained by Jes Godwin, the man who created the Bolter originally, the gun needed to be brutally effective, to he overkill no matter what it was being fired at. To that end, Bolter cartridges have a primer and powder system just like modern cartridges, which fires the Bolt shell down the barrel of the Bolter at such high velocities that most human being are physically incapable of firing even semi-auto full sized Astartes Bolter without it wrecking their arms, then the Gyrojet system kicks in speeding the round past the primer speed and to terminal velocity almost instantly, once the Bolter hits its target or a sufficiently hard surface, using a computerised system the warhead determines once its buried and detonates destroying its target, or in the case of beasts and creatures too big to fell immediately, filling the bugger full of toxic heavy metal shrapnel & giving it a rather bad case of chemical burns.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Even the caseless Phobos pattern and earlier patterns of the great crusade and unification wars were two-stage weapons, it's just that the laquered primary propellant block of the caseless bolt rounds is inherently fragile and thus hard to manufacture and distribute (it had to be stored and shipped in hard disposable boxes used to fill the magazines in a similiar same way as stripper clips are used with a speed loader to fill up STANAG magazines) the point that when Horus revolted and shattered humanity once more, the complex supply lines nessesary for the compact and light weight caseless ammo was likewise shattered beyond recovery.

[@michaelroa9752]

Can we see him review eye divine cybermancy? I want to see what he has to say about fuller auto

[@MartinTraXAA]

Would be fun if Jonathan would do like a 'bit-grab' of various hilarous\amazing gun designs from a bunch of different games. Tho more than that I want to see him do 'Painkiller' cuz it has a stake-launcher and a gun that shoots shurikens and lightning!

[@caelanfox3448]

I always had the feeling a lot of guns on hive worlds like Necromunda are craft made, so maybe that explains some of the seemingly obsolete mechanisms

[@weldonwin]

Its more than that. Technology in the Warhammer 40K universe is incredibly anachronistic, with soldiers as likely to be armed with laser rifles, as they are shotguns and you have massive miles-long starships powered by fusion reactors, that are largely operated by vast numbers of press-ganged laborers, pulling on chains. A big part of that, is just how much technology and knowledge mankind has lost, found and lost again, so you'll have incredibly primitive technologies that persist, because they are simple, they work and are easy to produce.

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

Wait til you hear about agri-worlds that are still in medieval/renaissance era

[@weldonwin]

@@eyeballpapercut4400 And a few that are still basically Stone Age, but STILL contribute troops to the Imperial Guard, so you'll have literal Cave Men, fighting alongside Mechanized Infantry

[@mikelramirez2585]

The only reason i tend to give a skip to warhammer 40k when it comes to "simple" weapons in this sci-fi world is because this is a sci-fi world where a lot of things are "simple", "cheap" and mass produce, like some of the tanks the imperium uses still use rivets and some of the lore says that some regiments use makeshift weapons, like a makeshift lasgun, simple weapons to furfill the porpuse of galactic size mass production, so i wouldn't be surprised that these kinds of weapons are made to supply the largest canon fodder in the galaxy.

[@dergon4796]

He forgot Brandon Herrera’s Tactical Bean Holder when talking about the rail at the beginning.

[@ScornfulSix]

I love, love, love this Mr. Ferguson man. He's not only extremely knowledgeable in the historical firearms department, but he is also knows alot about games and their development. I can tell this man has played his fair share of tabletop and video games. Keep it up Jonathan!

[@planescaped]

It's funny that Taofledermaus's footage of the gyrojet being shot in slow-mo has become the definitive source for the gun. I've seen the footage referenced in many places now. I'm glad Danny shot it in the clip, RIP.

[@akiva2112]

Need to have him react to more 40k it’s so fun to see him try to figure out all the guns and where they derived from

[@ClockwerkMan]

I'd really love to see him take a look at the Astartes depictions of the weapons, especially the plasma pistol

[@KanuckStreams]

You would be correct, sir, that the guns labeled as "autoguns" are firing solid projectiles! They are indeed "older, less advanced" tech that are used mostly by gang members and the Planetary Defense Forces of less well-off planets, and are often sneered at by those with access to the higher-tech and cooler-in-every-way Lasguns, which fire lasers! Pew! Pew! For a fun bonus point, because WarHammer likes fun names, "stubber" and "autogun" are effectively equivalent. Other examples are "stubgun" and "autopistol".

[@CallanElliott]

I dunno if Jonathan can see this, but the actual lore description is that it's a two stage projectile as you described. A small charge for initial propulsion from the weapon followed by the rocket motor engaging. However, we're dealing with a game from people who probably never held firearms (hence the big rims) and a video game adaptation made by people who have never held firearms (hence the massive cases which should be a lot smaller, and the lack of a trail behind the rounds).

[@v0dka885]

as for the boltgun ammo, I had a fun talk with one of the staff at my local Warhammer shop about the bolter and he stated that the ammo is the size of a Redbull can.

[@nafereuskortex9055]

On the bolters rockets, yeah it is 2 stage because they are also high explosive so they have a arming distance that lines up with the beginning of propulsion, after it hits its target the timer in it activates, a split second later explodes inside its target. They are tipped with depleted uranium and computerised and the storm bolter fires 10 of these a second.

[@redcap1923]

A little theory, Bolts are first fired traditional with a case followed by the round igniting a propellant and functions like a gyrojet. Possibility? Writers and artist didn't understand, hence many times they're depicted with shell casings. As for stubbers in 40k theyre basically any kind of LMG, MMG, HMG or General Purpose Machinegun from WW2. Some even resemble MG42s, Brens, Browning M2s, etc.

[@tritonneptune3834]

I love the upgrade in quality in terms of Camera and mic I think. Also Ghost shirt!

[@MajesticDemonLord]

"We know why it's a pump shotgun... BECAUSE IT'S COOL" Preach Brother, Preach!

[@bradenalder9016]

One type of gun most often not talked about in 40k is the grav gun

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

and volkite. and radguns. and quake cannons. and volcano cannons. and many more.

[@F1ghteR41]

I was just thinking about Jonathan's opinion on the matter, and here it comes!

[@thefall3ngamer925]

Yeah the way the bolter rounds work is there’s a preliminary charge as you said l, that launches the round clear of the barrel. And then the jet aspect takes over. Then when it impacts with the target, rigid tip and core impact to start a half second or less timer to explode when inside the target.

[@Alva_Lombax]

id like to point out that (assuming Im remembering right) 40k lore did adress what Jonathan pointed out the bolter first shoots the "bullet" out like normal ammo, and only then does it starts to work like a mini rocket

[@aniquinstark4347]

It's possible that bolters have a primary charge in a case in addition to a rocket in the projectile. That would also explain why they're lethal in close quarters despite rocketball ammunition traditionally needing room to accelerate after exiting the barrel.

[@9PlatinumGamer9]

I think you should show him the weapons from EYE: Divine Cybermancy, from the same dev as this game. It has an SMG with two fire modes: full auto and fuller auto.

[@DFloyd84]

In 40K jargon, "autogun" is an autoloading firearm that uses cased metal projectiles (e.g. a modern military rifle). Said projectiles are also called "stubs" for some reason, so autoguns are also sometimes called "stubguns." The "heavy stubber" is basically an M2. Plasma weapons are amazingly deadly, to the target and to the user. That bright blue glow is from heat coming from a tiny fusion chamber that generates the enormous amounts of power needed to create plasma bolts. Eventually, the chamber has to vent excess heat and Imperial plasma tech is really bad at doing that safely; plasma weapons have a reputation for blowing out heatsinks and flash-melting the user's head.

[@MiketheMadness]

The bolters, purely because brass ejection is cool, are both rocket propelled and also cartridge fired. So they are two stage as you say. In several game depictions they do have propellant trails from the mini rockets.

[@mikolaj-lt8tv]

It's really bugging me so I need to say this: some of the weapons, like the shotguns, the autogun, and the stubgun, are basic slug throwers and shotguns (also using technology such as basic tactical rails) because of the setting itself. In Warhammer 40k humanity for about 25 millenia A.D. was a steadily rising in advancements, highly technological and logical society. It was the Age of Technology. But then, in approximetely the 26th millenium, The Men of Iron (highly advanced and intelligent robots humanity used for different purposes, mostly physical labour) rebelled against humans. Although in the end humanity won, mankind's interstellar empire was shattered, connection between worlds severed and technology lost. For the next 5 thousand years it would still regress further, as people on distant planets reverted back to even feudalism, and some to tribal levels of advancement, many more STCs (Standard Template Constructs, easily used blueprints for almost everything, one of the biggest strenghts of mankind, making colonizing new worlds and thriving there a dizzy) were lost to the hands of time and primitivity. This time was later called the Age of Strife, due to the constant turmoil on isolated palnets. After this however, the Emperor (re)emerged on Earth, and through his Space Marine legions united humanity once again. One of his sons however (he had 20, each leading a space marine legion, and also being a formidable demi-god themselves), Horus, rebelled against him along 8/9 of his brothers, and by almost killing the Emperor before dying himself, broke the Emperor's dream of rebuilding humanity. in the next 10 millenia, humanity would still regress to a somehow advanced technologically society in some branches, but also a Dark Ages style hyper-religious Empire.But now coming onto the game. The protagonist is a mercenery, and not some aristocrat or Inquisitor, so he can't really have the MOST advanced weapons of humanity, so he kinda makes-does (while also showing he can afford some pricier things from his financial gains as a mercenary, for example a human-sized boltgun). Slug throwers are really simple weapons that can even by assembled by hand by hive world citizens, and later used for many things, such as gang wars. So really, the reason they use the weapons mentioned at the start of my comment, even while being so far in the future, is the regress of humanitys technology through the last 15 thousand years. So they use tactical rails and handcocked shotguns, so what?

[@mypie2473]

Valid

[@TheGrumbliestPuppy]

That was a really long sperg-out for what could've been said in a sentence, lmao.

[@thetawnypatriot8118]

I think you’re taking this too seriously bro

[@gregtronica3569]

jesus fuck man if i wanted to look at the wiki id look at the wiki

[@gringotom242]

I like this this guy. He's probably top of my "people I've seen on the internet who I'd most like to have a beer with" list.

[@josiahzabel8596]

seems like the kind of guy who'd agree to have a beer with you too

[@janotyx]

I feel like an episode on Xenos weapons would make a lot of sense, pulse guns with the Tau that basically shoot split atoms, Eldar shuriken weapons, anything Ork that goes along tellyporta-guns and stuff like that and also Destiny, especially in terms of holographic (free-floating) sights and fusion guns

[@ricardolaza5685]

In fact, in the lore of 40k, the bolter amunnition is 2 stages: first, a convencional detonation like any other cartrigde and, when the bullet clear the muzzle, the rocket engine kicks in, propulsed by a center rocket to catch velocity. Additionaly, they are tipped with AP points, and a explosive payload

[@timothypryor7952]

Common misconception about bolters being caseless. They're more like an RPG7 than a gyrojet using a 2 stage launch. First stage, the casing, is used to send the round out of the gun and give it initial speed. Second stage is the rocket.

[@andymac4883]

RE: Bolters, I believe that they do indeed work these days as a two-stage projectile. The cartridge case has enough propellent to make the bolt lethal straight out of the muzzle, and the internal propellent kicks in after (I believe, just after the bolt leaves the barrel). From what I understand, gyrojet ammunition had an issue (one of many) where the round didn't have enough time to build up sufficient velocity to do real damage until it had gone at least a few feet from the barrel, and the two-stage bolt design is supposed to correct for that. Of course I don't know if things have since changed, as it's been a while since I really immersed myself in 40k lore, and it isn't necessarily the most consistent! A lot of depictions do funky things, too, like here in Hired Gun where the bolts don't appear to be rocket-propelled. They also have pretty inconsistent fire rates; in the old PS2 game Fire Warrior they shoot like grenade launchers as well, firing maybe two or three bolts a second, while in Dawn of War and Space Marine they have a fire rate closer to modern assault rifles.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Bolters come in both caseless and cased designs. Presumably because they added extra detail to later models that included an ejection port. Additionally Bolter ammunition does have a small amount of conventional propellant that provides an initial push out of the barrel (unlike gyro jet weapons which are entirely rocket propelled). Thus bolts leave the barrel at speed, and the rocket propulsion ignites immediately after leaving the barrel. However I believe this "small amount of conventional propellant" concept was a later addition to the fiction.

[@retrospectus]

Yeah a lot of people think that bolters fire caseless ammo even though I don't think I've ever read an official description that describes them as such. as far as I'm aware they've always been a two stage design, the cartridge accelerates the round out of the barrel and then the rocket kicks in. This is to compensate for the low initial muzzle velocity that a rocket propelled round is going to have, it also means that the barrel can be rifled and make the gun more accurate. I don't think any of the writers have ever addressed why they use a rocket motor at all, My theory is that it allows the gun to have a longer effective range. boltguns have pretty short barrels when you consider the size of the ammo they fire so I figure this is to allows the gun to be used at much longer ranges and (more importantly since the round has to get inside the target to do it's damage) penetrate armour reliably at range.

[@Brendissimo1]

I like these videos so much that I watch them for games I haven't even played.

[@horusdark4343]

Gw rewrote bolters. They are 2 stage weapons. Stage one a small amount of powder sends the bolt out of the barrel. Stage 2 the rocket part ignites shortly after leaving the barrel

[@R3v1091]

in the warhammer uni, autoguns with brass casings exist because they are cheaper than your scifi laser weapons, normally used in hives because you can, you know, actually make them, as opposed to the technology required for a laser weapon. Technology gets backwards the further down a hive you go.

[@burritodorit0772]

bolt pistols are a lot more ludicrous, they're not just side arms, they're paired with a melee weapon like a chainsword or a powersword

[@AGrumpyPanda]

I know the vid's a year old, but in case anyone's freshly coming across it and doesn't know: a heavy stubber is a machine gun. Stub-gun or stubber refers to the bullet fired, which is just a good old conventional bullet. You also get stub automatics, stub revolvers, et cetera.

[@mina7572]

So is there a difference between "stubber" and "autogun"?

[@AGrumpyPanda]

@@mina7572 In practice no. Generally speaking what we'd call an assault rifle would be called an autogun not a stubber, but there's not really a substantial explanation for why.

[@zackcook5123]

I like the assessment of the bolter, it's a classic bit if sci-fi. Being a massive massive warhammer nerd: The boltgun shell fires initially like a normal firearms that sends the round clear of the weapon, it's rocket starts soon after. I think the principal is that it lets the bullet fire at high velocity through weird conditions like odd gravity or space. On impact it's hardened tip let's it pierce partway into the target before detonating a small charge. Not grenade powerful but any explosion would be unpleasant. It's such a silly weapon and I love it *Just remembered the bolt shell might be .998. Stubbers are comparable to the Browning

[@CarlAlex2]

We do have a working caseless assault rifle in the G11, but it never became popular on account of the cold war ending, so developing it broke H&K. Them brass cases have a very important but rather unknown effect of removing heat from the weapon. It might simply be that firearms as a technology is so mature that its getting hard to improve - otherwise we wouldn still use firarms desigened as far back as WW2 (MG 42) or even WW1 (the M2 HB). And if you handed the latest model KBAR to a guy from the Iron age he would have no problems using it - probably without any additional training. And dont diss iron sights - they are sturdy, never run out of batteries, never fog over, dont have large luminous dots hiding the targets beyond close range (I regard Aimpoints as a CQB tool). Sure I would prefer an Elcan over iron sights, but I would also prefer iron sights over an aimpoint.

[@spencernoffke8259]

“Some sort of two stage rocket system…” Yes, it’s supposed to be like this in the lore. No that’s not how they’re depicted. Stop thinking, start dakka.

[@bfhtom]

jonathan rly pulled up with the ghost shirt... what a badass

[@Osiris085246]

Love that T shirt. I have not ordered mine yet. Good to know you're a Ghost fan!

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

I think I remember reading that back in the american frontier west era, with blackpowder revolvers, some did preload extra cylinders for speed sake & did keep the spares in a pouch, good guess.

[@Komodo_Bebop]

Always love seeing Jonathan 😍 I would suggest he take a look at the guns, as he mentioned before, Gears of War. A few other suggestions as well being the Timespliters series, Perfect Dark, Turok, and perhaps some of the futuristic Call of duty guns?

[@SangoProductions213]

4:46 I mean... It's a pump action shot gun... with 2 drum magazines... With a big "muzzle device at the end"... We all know the allusions it's making.

[@thomas4092]

He does realise most of these weapons lore wise are made of random junk they find lying about or steal from the Arbites right? Of corse theyre gonna be simple by 40k stadard its the equiviant to a pipe gun in the setting.

[@diestormlie]

What's the difference between an Autogun and a Stubber? Good question! As far as we can tell from the outside looking in, the distinction is in caliber. Everything above a certain caliber is a stubber; everything beneath that limit is an Autogun. (Fun fact: The Heavy Stubber as modelled on some Imperial Guard Vehicles is... Literally just an M2 Browning.)

[@sevenproxies4255]

For someone working in the Royal Armoury, I find it surprising that he doesn't mention that there are suppressed revolvers IRL, where the issues of the cylinder gap has been taken care of.

[@VoltieBird]

7:50 In the base books for Shadowrun it's explicitly stated that all firearms use caseless ammunition systems, but the revolvers can all be modified to use cased ammunition, which the book says is actively detrimental (casings leave behind evidence, and since they're extremely rare it makes it really easy to track you), but is an option solely because some people want to feel like cowboys popping open the cylinder and dumping brass.