Firefight Battle Report - Enforcers vs Plague

DreadPathZone is at it again with another 1500 point Firefight Battle Report!
The Enforcers are here to wipe out the Plague, but can they do it in time?
So sit back, get a beverage, and get ready for some dice carnage!
Huge thank you to Mantic Games for sending over a bunch of awesome Firefight stuff that will be featureed in future videos!

[@zeroa6]

Awesome! I hope to see more Fireflight Battle Reports in the channel! Subbed.

[@josecahc233]

One possible answer to the Persecuter (and fliers in general) is to charge it with the Murderbirds. If you can get a single wound, the Persecuter will be pinned and marked as activated (since it can't fight back, you will win the assault with a single wound). It's not ideal, but it is something. The other option is to get your own Hornet and equip it with the Missile launcher.

[@NewbieDice]

Yea seems like that's it. A flyer must advance or sprint every activation. So if they are pinned, they're gonna unpin and advance, not getting to shoot.

[@NewbieDice]

Even 0 damage, will result in a draw and both pinned.

[@mark011181]

@@NewbieDice Not quite true, vehicles work slightly differently so would need to cause 1 point of damage.

[@NewbieDice]

@@mark011181 ah you're right!

[@barakmakabi6017]

Great paint jobs guys! Enjoying these reports as I am just getting into the game with Forge Fathers! Thanks for the content!

[@DreadPathZone]

Forge fathers are on my painting table at the moment and I’m remembering why I love them so much!

[@Ultramarine40]

+1 for Forge Fathers, I am enjoying painting mine as well.

[@dwarrenmsp]

I just love how versatile the Deadzone terrain is. I also love that the plague got wrecked. (No offense)

[@DreadPathZone]

It’s the best terrain out there, and no offense taken, everyone holds grudges ;)

[@rustedbeetle]

Some impressive board wiping from Tim!

[@DreadPathZone]

Ruthless enforcers are ruthless

[@tibour007]

By the time I have seen this it is already a year old and things may have changed. Have you tried using the Hornet Flyer to chase the Bomber down with the Missile AA upgrade? Flyer on Flyer action. Keep up the good work. My brother and I just started playing Fire Fight and I have enjoyed your videos. We are in the process of upgrading our Deadzone forces now.

[@DreadPathZone]

That’s certainly an option, I don’t love the hornet for what it does but it’s not unusable

[@superjay8643]

Aberation like V got me XD Guys, i cant say this enough i Do loveyour bat reps! But Tyler really should fiel some Smoke mortars next time ;)

[@DreadPathZone]

I was pretty proud of the aberration silliness 😆 glad you enjoyed it! (And yes, I’ll have to wip up some smoke perhaps)

[@richardlaking3171]

Thinking on the Persecutor, it's still only A6 with HP5 so maybe just looking at 'brute forcing' it with Weight of fire? a bunch of ghoul units can blaze away with potentially 20 dice on 8s, and with the 3a General you can get a load of units blazing away without even activating for a single command point. It'll drop with enough dice being rolled. One other thing (not persecutor related) that really jumps out for me in Plague is the smoke mortar. Being able to punt an expendable unit forward, ideally to a point anchored on something like a building, then dropping smoke to block LOS to stuff behind the smoke seems really nice for an army with both a good charge range as well as often limited ranged options

[@Toirneachgames]

You could saturate it, might work actually especially with blazing away with ghouls but it won't Pin it, sadly. Rulebook p.38 : Vehicules will only gain a Pin marker in the following circonstances : 1) suffering at least one damage from a weapon with the anti-tank keyword. 2) If the vehicle has the Fly keyword and suffers at least a damage point from an Anti Air weapon. 3) It loses an Assault.

[@phelyxz]

Thank you.it WAS a feast for the eyes

[@DreadPathZone]

Thank you!

[@willdeuring1290]

Very nice. Love all your battle reports. I'm only deadzone at the moment but knowing how this hobby goes I'm sure i'll be jumping into firefight at some point. Having said that my only experience playing plague is dz and yah shooting is always an issue. My only shooting unit that survives is either the grenade launcher or the mortar team and everyone else just tries to sneak into combat before getting swiss cheesed. Often bring an hmg but that guy is gone the moment he sticks his nose out to pop someone.

[@DreadPathZone]

Plague HMG guy I’m deadzone is often my MVP! Glad you’re enjoying he content, thank you!

[@jibdivision6012]

hi guys! at 13:45 you activate your 1A leader and spend the infection faction order on the zombies. Is it a mistake or can you effectively do this? I thought you could just spend a faction order on a unit during their own activation . Thanks for yours battle reports! love them. cheers from France

[@snackelwolf4462]

Fantastic bat-rep! Excited for this game. What Deadzone set(s) of terrain have you found to be the best fit for Firefight?

[@DreadPathZone]

All of the terrain I have is modular and can be mixed and matched quite a bit, I think you can’t really go wrong in terms of which set, just pick the ones you like the look of the most!

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Great game that enforcer flying machine is deadly and extremely efficient. Due to the about of fire power the plague were at a slight disadvantage. Forge father's wouldn't of stood for this type of enforcer behaviour hahaha. Great game - Tim was on fire.

[@DreadPathZone]

Tim having insane dice didn’t help the plague chances either, there were tons of rolls that were simply ridiculous, like needing 5s and only missing a couple

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@DreadPathZone Tim has been praying to the Dice God's and his rolls have been really good of late. I remember a time you kept getting nothing but explosive 8s and Tim rolled 1s on a regular basis lol. The Dice God's can be fickle lol. It was a great batrep look forward to the next one. Forge father's would not tolerate that Enforcer shinagins lol.

[@rburt3]

Forge Fathers - why yes, we shoot but also... hammers.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@rburt3 yes forge hammers lol

[@terrainaholic]

Tim scrapes by a win. The same size scrape that took down the Titanic:)!!!!

[@squallgoku777]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Firefight 2nd edition, I played the 1st edition a lot and enjoyed it, and I completely missed the need for a 2nd edition.

[@DreadPathZone]

1st edition had issues and felt pretty generic to me. It had a ton of unnecessary tokens and overall broken combos that got in the way of itself. Second edition is absolutely awesome, similar to how dreadball 2, Deadzone 3rd, and other Mantic systems are just better than their original iterations

[@squallgoku777]

@@DreadPathZone I DL'd the free rules for Firefight and am not entirely sure how I feel about them - I really liked the 1st edition suppression markers rule which I felt was fitting for a very shooting-centric system. Plus it visibly looked good on the battlefield as you could see where the bulk of the firefighting has been happening with those blast markers. Not very keen on the new moral system that seems very old school GW. How are these changes in practice when you actually play a game?

[@DreadPathZone]

@@squallgoku777 I found the large amount of counters in first edition to be very distracting and made the battlefield cluttered, but to each their own I suppose. I really love the simplicity of the current firefight, it’s just a ton of fun and the game doesn’t get in the way of itself, so I feel like your actions have more meaning rather than finding specific combos and exploits like first edition

[@superjay8643]

Hey Tyler maybe you should overthink your opinion for the murderbirds;) Because units with the fly keyword are able to assault fly vehicles, that in combination with the smoke mortars which i mentioned earlier could be pretty much awesomesauce against the interceptor ;) I

[@DreadPathZone]

They don’t have any AP, I hardly think that is worth trying. So far I think smoke and Polaris striders are the only real solution and I’m not totally sold on smoke anyways

[@superjay8643]

@@DreadPathZone youre right, its Worth a try, some things are often differently on the paper than on the table. Im really looking forward for your next bat rep :)

[@ChilliJez]

On paper it looks to me like Plague are going to suffer vs fliers. I'm thinking of trying a strider with polaris cannon and mules with laser cannons to try and wear them down and not let them have things all their own way.

[@DreadPathZone]

Playing some games off camera and I’ve learned that murderbirds are actually pretty fantastic at shutting down flyers. If they combat them, you don’t even need to do a wound and the flyers will take a pin marker, often times an activation too

[@ChilliJez]

@@DreadPathZone My murderbirds are on the painting bench as I type. I am hoping to have some fun with them.

[@DreadPathZone]

@@ChilliJez gotta get em cranked out so they can jam up in some flyer engines!

[@NullSheen]

Another great report and I love how the game flows. I noticed that with the exception of Hornet, you guys have not targeted tanks or armour really. Is there a reason for that? The other question is it better to fill out units or go MSU for unlocks?

[@haleccles6878]

Amazing report again lads 👍

[@DreadPathZone]

Well I don’t really know how to take out aircraft with the plague list, but the real reason for lack of armor attacking is neither faction really has tanks

[@DreadPathZone]

@@haleccles6878 can’t wait to see when you guys finally film some stuff…. 😉

[@NullSheen]

I have not got my books yet. You can't assault fliers? I'll need to check back to the video it looked that the Aberration was close early on. Looking at Easy Army Enforcers getting 2D shooting and the orders thing looks really powerful. I hope the Forge Father AP works just as well

[@Toirneachgames]

@@NullSheen Can't assault flying vehicule with unit that don't have flying or antigrav keyword. But you can assault flying unit which are not vehicule. Aberration has none of those keyword so it could not attack the Interceptor, sadly.

[@Toirneachgames]

[Scratchy noises and muffled voice] 'Plague man is wondering how to cope with flying vehicule. Nest Maligni found the solutions ! 1) Burn-Roast the metal board with It Burns ! Weapons, really effective (always hit on 4+ whatever the odds but won't be of much help against the 7+ armor). 2) Pin them with Anti-air or anti-tank shooting weapon (you get only one, on the Hornet 65 IIRC), they will have to waste their turn or go down in flammes (flyer vehicule need to move or crash, Pinning force you to forsake an action. 3) Smoke them with your mortars to block their line of sight. 4) If you play a scenario which allows the use of reserve troops, bring loads of units (especially Ghouls to Blaze away the metal men) and surprise your adversary with them. They will die-die but who cares ? 5) Charge it with Murderbird : it won't fight ( it has - in Combat score) AND if tou manage to do a single point of damage it will lose, so it will get Pinned. Problem is : chances are the mean birds will be gunned down before attacking.'

[@nrais76]

Did you forget your Resilient (2)?

[@DreadPathZone]

Yeah probably, we forget a good amount of stuff 😂

[@nrais76]

Yeah, I typed ot before I got to the point where you realized you forgot it and retroactively rolled it for the heavy weapons support squad. I've been playing 40k with my kids for a few years, we forgot lots of things. Just getting us into Firefight, as prices for 40k are out of control, and it's also hoped it's easier to play Firefight with my oldest daughter, who has ADHD. Took us nine hours to get through 3 turns of 40k last weekend. That's slightly better than we usually do.

[@DreadPathZone]

@@nrais76 well firefight is a fantastic and super fun game, I hope you get into it!

[@patrickpoh9]

tough game for plague

[@joshual6305]

Seems like standard close combat armies lose to shooty armies like every other minis game. I've watched a few of these battle reports and it seems like alot of the command abilities need to be once per game and not every round because there's no reason not to spam the same command ability every turn

[@cowfan9]

I don’t think you can judge an entire game system based on one battle report.

[@superjay8643]

Nah thats wrong. Plague have a few options to get very close to the enemy like smoke mortars or a few command ablities. Of course enforcer are a extremly good shooting army and thats what they Do they shoot hard and Deadly. BUT in firefight its absolutly not said that a shooting army will always be the better army.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

The plague are total beasts in close combat and rip through shooty armies.

[@DreadPathZone]

I think it’s just an overall issue of learning the army. Like I said in the text of the batrep, I really need to get better at utilizing orders like transfixed by fear and being more aggressive with my aggressive units than I did. The smoke suggestion is really good, I’ll definitely have to look into that as well. Either way, I’m really excited to try out more tactics, which is the sign of a fun, good game!

[@eventhorizon1943]

Looking for a good game to replace 40k that has fallen to the woke army of death AD FERNO

[@frogstud]

first

[@DreadPathZone]

First in our hearts too ❤️