Firefly RUINED Honkai: Star Rail?

In this video, MrPokke reacts to takes of Tectone and LegionzGaming about the current state of meta and powercreep in Honkai: Star Rail after Firefly's release. He discusses the difficulty of endgame modes, differences between old and new F2P accounts as well as the viability of old characters.
Honkai Star Rail Has A Problem...
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Powercreep & Meta Ruining Star Rail?! NUCLEAR DRAMA! l Honkai Star Rail
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00:00 Intro
00:21 Is the HSR community full of terrible takes?
04:34 Powercreep is ruining HSR?
17:24 Can the F2P player clear all HSR content?
25:23 Old account vs new account issue
33:35 Sweaty F2Ps vs Casual Whales
43:44 Nuclear misunderstanding
52:14 Conclusions
55:16 Outro
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[@carpe3183]

Bro is reacting to a reaction video reacting to a reaction video, what has mr. pokke come to

[@XiasGaming]

And we r watching it 😅

[@thrmncrsnnc]

holy reactception

[@clipbitlocker]

I think its funny... but yeah. Who is Tectone? I kind of mentally blocked anything the person says.

[@-Exen-]

watch his latest video on am I a narcissist

[@WaifusAreReal]

it was inevitable

[@iLomilIo]

Bald on bald violence 😭

[@ittehitteh9322]

🤣

[@WaifusAreReal]

bruh they do look the same

[@trysephiroth007]

Tectone doesn't argue to come to an understanding, he argues to win

[@MercSet1]

particularly when he knows he's in the wrong, which is why his wife left him

[@expeditor5895]

@@MercSet1 me when i dont know anything 🤡

[@justcrap3703]

@@MercSet1 >which is why his wife left him Found the mintpicker making sh1t up again. His wife left him because he caught her cheating and everything went down from there. Keep picking your mints kid.

[@scaleofequality5457]

​@@justcrap3703her wife cheated but I'm pretty sure many people would agree that he argues to win than to understand and that's a fact right?

[@lawfulgoodnun1646]

Prob why she cheated on him then ​@@justcrap3703

[@MakotoMajima30]

ya im skipping this drama harder than Jades banner. almost an hour is a decent gym workout, let alone their own videos

[@clipbitlocker]

Your almost there! Soon you will forget about him as much as I have.

[@No-cc1fq]

Yet you are here

[@nebulagray88]

Listen to the video while in the gym and get the best of both worlds.

[@hazy4285]

I LOVE PROTEIN

[@Malix2238]

Tectone will never admit when he is wrong even when it stares him dead in his face.

[@Darkspreader2]

If only he has as much hair as his ego

[@sct77]

How is he wrong? It's a perfectly valid opinion.

[@pillowhead4456]

​@@sct77Valid opinion, as far as opinion goes that is. But valid opinion doesnt equal to facts, when he himself dont really play the game and makes his mods do it for him and when he plays the game, he's just making a drama cause he didnt read boss mechanic is just stupid. In my valid opinion😂

[@sct77]

@@pillowhead4456 Yeah but there are no facts here because the entire discussion is objectively subjective. A lot of players have been complaining about roster checks, especially in Pure Fiction.

[@Ilya0084]

People complaining that single target characters aren't good in AOE game mode? @@sct77

[@markgruner5812]

I started playing in 1.6 on the 2nd half of the patch when Ruan Mei was running. I was spending a good chunk of change on most character banners, probably 100-150 per charcter I wanted to ensure E0S1 for most of them. Despite doing that, I wasn't using money to refresh or anything, just battlepass and monthly pass and played every single day. Even with being that dedicated to playing the game and enjoying it so much, I didn't manage to full 3 star clear MoC till SAM's MoC, which was SIX MONTHS after I started. Sure I was wasting a lot of resources and didn't really start learning how to build teams and characters well for the first 3 months but still, I was playing every day, using my stamina every day, and it took me that long to full clear while spending. My point being that despite spending money on pretty much every new character from Ruan Mei's first run going forward, I didn't full clear simply cause I pulled the characters. I still had to put in a ton of time and get lucky on relic rolls, learn how to build my teams correctly, start spending stamina wisely and just being smarter overall about how to play. I'll admit I'm nowhere near the average player. But the fact that Tectone thinks anyone should be entitled to just starting and being able to full clear every piece of content is just plain idiotic and shits on all the time the players like me and others that full clear all the content have put in to learning the mechanics of the game and building our characters.

[@azuregamer3497]

There are quite a few videos of people clearing AS and other modes with just 4-star characters. Tectone is just salty because he couldn't just auto the last stage of AS and not read the requirement of breaking the enemy first to do massive damage. There is power creep but it's not like older characters can't clear the current MOC, PF, and AS.

[@kuratse205]

You dont understand. It's an overall gameplay design shift. Tectone knows its bad because he played many gachas before where he faced mant gacha powercreep practices. AS suffers the issue of a "character check" or essentially a push for horizontal investment into specific characters and architypes, with no workaround. The ridiculously high dmg RES and latest banner limited buff makes these things a big issue. It's why PF is so disliked by people who dont built DoT.

[@fuumaruu7486]

​@@kuratse205I cleared AS with Seele and Dr.Ratio 😂 Tectone has just a massive skill issue and didn't use FIREFLY RIGHT LIKE USING BASIC ATTACK WITHOUT ENHANCED WTF

[@kuratse205]

@@fuumaruu7486 He is a super casual with skill issue, yes. However he understands how gachas go and sees the obvious issue of a push towards horizontal investments and character checks. All because he has many more years of experience playing other gachas than most people in the mihoyo communities.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

I literally beat Cocolia with QQ, a character most people say fell off

[@MinKiu410]

Actually PF isnt tailored for DoT character tho. Its mostly a place for Erudition characters to shine

[@apleb7605]

28:28 Um akchually 🤓$500 can get you 1875 pulls assuming you spend it solely on the Express Supply Pass for 100 months straight or 8.33 years.

[@JunaTirzah]

We in it for the long game!

[@dominicwoodford5711]

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that FF can’t kill trotters especially Numby

[@rioshin8209]

no one ruined anything in single player game, its just fomo not that deep

[@megugao]

fr its not like this is pvp where one overpowered character ruining others experiences, in the end its just you ruining the enemy npcs day

[@GRovyIIe]

​@@megugaonah, the point of this issue is that players who invest in characters are gonna mald once another character comes out, wasting all their resources building that old character and then being turned into mid in today's comp that's why players are very defensive on their invested characters because they are afraid and will get mad if their characters will get called mid bcs their output isn't as much relevant compared before

[@junyaiwase]

@@GRovyIIewho cares?

[@GRovyIIe]

@@junyaiwase the f2p players and the ones that spent money lol

[@astralcomet674]

@@GRovyIIe but you arent losing anything tho...If i clear 2 cycles faster than you units you still clear cause my 1 or 2 cycle faster clear doesnt affect your gameplay since it is a single player experience

[@Astamingo]

I love how decorative Pokke is in this video

[@ItsBiox]

ah yes 2 bald dudes with the same facial hair style duking it out over a fictional mech girl

[@iruui2369]

I think the point MrPokke brought up resonates with me the most, we are on Hoyo platter and whatever they feel like doing they will, we dont know how far are they willing to push the powercreep or unit or archetype shilling. That annoys me the most about hoyo games, whether be it star rail, genshin or zzz, whatever they put out whether its good or not we will have to eat it up because they are that big.

[@cricrane1062]

Almost every live service gacha game does this. They are a business and stagnation won't bring them money. As long as newer characters don't just break the game and make everyone obsolete, in my opinion it's a healthy development cycle. HSR even has selectable buffs which make the "off-archetype" viable.

[@franklindesign6943]

this other bald guy is power creeping tectone in baldness

[@shotgunshogun4707]

I mean, there are CN 0 cycle clears with seele with 4 star characters and f2p LCs...granted relic quality is high, but nothing unattainable. She's literally the 1st unit to be released in this game. And yet people are able to this with her cause they want to and have put in the work for it. And the fact of the matter is, firefly would not clear as well with any 4 star support (hmc isn't a 4 star and we know it) in this game. So which js it? Newer units decimating older ones? The game just fucks over older units? Both? Neither? When u think about it, the newer units simply have it a lil easier but that's the problem, people only want easy results in gacha games and it is what it is. Since newer supportive units get released and the fundamental design of the relic system, older units can keep up and even excel in the right conditions...we all saw the rise of himeko, clara, and even JY. Hell, kafka became the top of the meta with the release of B.S when people were shitting on her even BEFORE launch. Topaz became one of the most lucrative units with the follow up comp despite her questionable value to many people on her release. Powercreep isn't a problem in this game or any single-player gacha, and that's a fact. It's greed and recency bias. Reminder that a dot from an asta basic would do more dmg tham e6 s5 acheron against a traffic light. Yeah... These units we love are only as good as mihoyo allows us to make them within the context of the game itself...not compared to newer toys.

[@ahmedmubarak751]

You literally cannot 0 cycle with seele without playing 3 supports and having near perfect relics .

[@shotgunshogun4707]

@ahmedmubarak751 The relic argument is a nothing burger statement... This applies to everyone when it comes to 0 cycles and is a given (including acheron and firefly, especially after this moc buff is gone) I'm only using 0 cycle as an extreme scenario to point out that the more reasonable scenarios, aka normal/slightly fast clears, are beyond doable for most players if u just use ur 5 star supports and even better if u give ur dps their sig which reduces the relic requirements by a fair margin for most dps. And u most definitely can do a standard comp clear with seele...most standard seele 0 cycles use fuxuan. A sustain. Again, regardless of relic investment (which has a sealing ), the fact that seele can 0 cycle still to this day with 4 star supports is irrefutable evidence that people definition of powercreep in this game is objectively wrong yet people blame firefly when they're the ones whose view on the game is wrong.

[@ahmedmubarak751]

@@shotgunshogun4707 But you gotta recognize the fact that you farm more than 6 months for seele and then a character like acheron or firefly comes out that does her job much easier . I get that seele can still clear but why do I gotta suffer farming for months when a character can just easily clear without all this farming nonsense . Especially since firefly is one of the easiest character to build .

[@shotgunshogun4707]

@ahmedmubarak751 that's a fair statement however, the issue isn't a "why would u?" cause the answer is simply because u like said character and seele isn't exclusive to the relic hell...all none-break dps are right there with her alongside dot and supports...which is basically everyone 😅. The issue, tho is whether u can or not... which is what sparked this argument to begin with, which is that people are saying u can't use seele, blade, JY, etc. to clear content anymore, and by proxy, they've been powercrept to "hell and beyond" as if it's an absolute statement. Which is ironic cause as an example, those 3 specifically have been performing extremely well in the new gamemode, much to the surprise of many people myself included despite them having 0 built in synergy with the buffs provided. New units having "easier" access their value doesn't devalue older ones and that's my point. Whether it's worth the investment or not for a new player is also a completely different topic depending on said new player and what they want/are willing to do.

[@ahmedmubarak751]

@@shotgunshogun4707 Yeah I can see where you're coming from . Obviously players can clear with most of the 5 star units in the game fairly easily . And some will even go the extra mile to ensure their favourite character clears every cycle . Its just that some people doesn't like the fact that their favourite character has been powercrept or a new character made their grind really feel less meaningful . And new players are actively recommended to never pull for older dps units unless they really like them which makes some of these reruns less enticing because there is no competition between who to pull meta wise . It all comes down to preference and people's view on powercreep compared to other people's viewpoint . So its totally expected to see people angry about the notion of powercreep existing this early and quickly in the game .

[@dioxide39]

"Friendly fire will not be tolerated!"

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

Why do people think that characters who are able to implant weakness on their own are broken when they literally only have one way to do damage which is breaking? Also applying weakness doesn't remove the resistance like with SW so you're going to be doing less damage anyway. Only an idiot would play firefly on a fully fire resistant MOC. Also, there are already enemies that have toughness bar locking mechanics. This why I stop watching tecc bro doesn't even know what he is talking about.

[@themoon3669]

Plus all these Firefly haters fighting nobody but themselves again with their Archeron dickriding 😂

[@BailuGaming]

i've been saying that for sooooo long 😭finaly someone who understand what elemental advantage is.

[@ahmedmubarak751]

Ah yes 500k per skill is less dmg than my seele very true indeed

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

@@ahmedmubarak751 500K per skill tf you talking about FF isn't hitting that on a fire resistent enemies are you stupid. The only place she hitting that is in AS with weakness break buff or when there MOC turbulence that literally buffs her. She doing around 300K per skill after break also why are you comparing a 1.0 hunt character to a 2.3 destruction character u must actually braindead. And again she does no damage until you break their toughness.

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

​@ahmedmubarak751 you're not hitting 500k a skill with ff stop it. Your only doing that in AS due to the buff. FF does like 277 to 300k per skill(split between three targets not one enemy) and that's after she breaks the opponent toughness bar.

[@iwishthiswasicq5839]

Tectone's brain is as smooth as his head.

[@SoftandWet808]

I swear people will complain about a game being to easy, looking at ZZZ. Then, turn around and complain about a game being to hard 😂. If you have been playing HSR since it came out, then you should be able to clear all the content. If you are a new player, then you should not expect to clear all the content.

[@IshyMimic]

Yeah it's not that hard to understand, the game just depends on your playtime. People keep making problems out of nothing.

[@mirei9225]

yep, and if you're playing since lauch and still can't clear content, is either huge skill issue, awful account mannagement or you're just very casual and play it like 2 times per week for like 10 min lol. Cases of someone being unable to clear bc of not having the current character in the banner are pretty rare, unless they are a new player.

[@WithBeautyAndWithLove]

ZZZ isn’t too easy lmao, it’s way harder than Wuwa at least, especially the endgame. They both have piss easy mechanics and parries, so the only difficulty comes from DPS checks and the ZZZ dps check is way bigger than Wuwa’s

[@linuxguypc2123]

Acheron banner was better for my new to HSR friends. Because acheron had free dr ratio and the next banner was adventurine, crazy sustain carry. It was hard to build ratio and acheron at the beginning for sure though

[@isaaccaraballo5359]

As an day 1 free to play I can say I'm not that frustrated about it, usually take it more like a challenge and I was really happy and had so much fun when harmony MC was out, even more than acheron and firefly, I was using Luka, himeko, even Welt and having an absolute blast, something I can say is that I feel like having some level of awareness of leaks is the smart move when one is to be a f2p. I kinda agree with pokke on the fact that casual f2p are not the same at all as a sweaty f2p, of all the people I think maybe the only ones that are suffering are f2p that pull without having some awareness of meta and leaks and are also sweaty somehow, which is kinda surreal, really

[@razergarcia6323]

I'm gonna say this again, Mr,. Pokke's our account review with Xethrion was actually very insightful and he has a great take about powercreep in HSR. Powercreep in HSR is gonna be more noticeable since it is one of the few ways for people to pull characters since there's no pvp

[@BLAZING900]

the reason why hair leaves the scalp is because of lack of iron in the blood it's the same for trees no iron and the top stem becomes bare of Leafs and I'm not saying it as a joke.

[@RatchR]

Also in regards to that 1 million scanned, many of those accounts could just not have been logged into for months as well. They don't specify active and non active accounts

[@Borovski213]

I finished building FF a week before her banner even ended without using stamina refresh. This is despite everyone starting literally at 0 since her relic and planar sets both came out at the same time as her so no pre farming. Thats how fast super break teams are built

[@user-tc3ow9by3s]

Rolled her first day, still suffer to get relics with both break effect and speed substats, got the head and an ok boots so far, why does everyone say this is easy...

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@user-tc3ow9by3s You don't need perfect relics for FIrefly good is the main point only 2 of my relics have spd substats on them for firefly and my planar orb don't even have break effect or spd substats at all and completed MOC 12 in 1 cycle on her side with lvl 40 lightcone.

[@SCRKT007]

​​​@@user-tc3ow9by3s you just need SPD boots, her Planar and RM to hit 150 SPD. It's very easy.

[@GryphonTooth]

I feel like in HSR, the current cycle buffs for MoC/PF are much more essential to max star clears compared to Genshin (or at least Genshin's first 3 years, idk what it's like now). Abyss felt like you had a bonus to using the latest character (who you probably didnt have fully built yet if the boss mats/artifact set were new), but it wasn't so hard that you felt forced to use the latest flavor of the month teams, it was easy to 'brute force' with the same teams built around a bunch of 4*s.

[@dawsondemott1837]

They gave out harmony MC for free… one of the single most meta defining and powerful characters in the games history…? They didn’t even lock the super break support behind a limited character.

[@wesley4487]

its not meta problem if you can still see full 4* team 3star MOC 12

[@ninetyninenights6226]

LOL Tectone immediately disregarding because "he spent $500". Well, I spent $0 and I fullclear auto MOC even Apocalyptic Abyss.

[@mainfish88]

Lol agree, I’m f2p and I’ve won 7 50/50’s with 2 back to backs, I’ll take that over 200 pulls any day!

[@virrre]

Tectone arguing for the 99% majority of the playerbase aka "f2p casuals" who have never opened MoC in their life, about how they should be able to get max rewards from all endgame content. Even if you make it easier, they're still not gonna go there due to anxiety or lack of knowledge in the game.

[@Sync0102]

The game is not the one ruined by Firefly but the wallets of many

[@FireflyIsSamusAranSister]

No because she is very mid

[@FireflyIsSamusAranSister]

Also acheron is better

[@GRovyIIe]

​@@FireflyIsSamusAranSister doubt, she out dps acheron per cycle

[@FireflyIsSamusAranSister]

no

[@GRovyIIe]

​@@FireflyIsSamusAranSistereven an e6 acheron has no match for an e2 fly, fym?

[@colgado693]

I made a f2p alt account towards the end of fu xuans og banner. I would consider myself a tryhard. The biggest issue with f2p imo is the resources. Nameless Honor grants so many resources its insane. It lets you invest in more characters. Overall, Im having a great and fun experience with my f2p account. I tend to 3 star all the content most of the time. There are times when the buffs on the end game content dont benefit my team comps well at all.

[@maxismydog101]

Its hard for me to take anything Tectone says from a meta perspective just because, frankly, hes not good at the game. His whole argument would hold water, if there werent people know clearing MOC, AS, PF with 1.0 characters. But the fact that these characters are still relevant, kinda disproves powercreep in the way that hes talking about it. Theres a dude thats clearing all of endgame with 4* only units with no sig LC's (Shoutout to Ruri Goko) so hate to break it to yall, but if you have half decent built accounts, you not clearing content is a skill issue. I feel like the people argeeing with tectone are the people that pull on EVERY banner, dont vertically invest in the comps they already have, and just want the shiny new toy. When you do that, yeah, you can make the arguement that endgame requires the new banner character. But smarter players, that commit to 2-3 archtypes and invest in their characters dont have that problem. They invest in their units, only pull characters that would actually benefit their current teams, and use stam wisely. Theres skill in not only playing the game, but also building out your account. We are a year into this game, and 1.0 characters are still clearing endgame, which is already miles better than most gacha's. Do newer units require lower investment levels to clear? In some cases yes. Are they absolutely required? No, and the perfect example is SUPA BREAK himeko slapping this MOC. TLDR: Playing and account building is a skill set, and if your a longtime player still struggling to clear endgame, its a skill issue, respectfully

[@darkhime7005]

18:43 agree if you read the instructions on the gamemode they already tell you that you need to utilize whatever buff you picked.

[@analoque2412]

Cut my balls if Bald Man not gonna say this in Wuthering Waves 8 months from now. It looks like Gacha Games are designed that way.

[@kuratse205]

It isnt usually this bad though. With a competent balance team, most games can last for far longer before encountering this issue. I can guarantee you that wuwa will not face the same issues even 2 years from now. This is because kuro' balance team is actually competent. They have shown us with PGR and now with Jinhsi and Changli's kit design. They know what they are doing.

[@analoque2412]

@@kuratse205 ahh, casual "TKWTAD" argument. YES, DEVS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. Mihoyo reached the top not because they knew nothing. Kuro Games is gradually climbing the ladder not because they didn't learn from previous mistakes.

[@kuratse205]

@@analoque2412 💀 blud you have never played a game in your life before genshin, have you? Mihoyo's balance team is absolutely atrocious. You shouldnt defend them when you dont even know what balance is.

[@nonameiguess2836]

@@kuratse205 I wouldnt say pgr is a good example for kuro's balancing work on their game. My barely built S CW with no sig on anything outside her team absolute dog piled my over 10 month worth of investment on Veritas btw, I barely tried or having any clue on how CW work. Same thing for Alpha and Stigmata even with her leaps. Maybe its just a gen 2 unit thing, but so far WW is fine if they went for new gen route then the game is cooked

[@kuratse205]

@@nonameiguess2836 well yeah the difference between gen 1 and 2 is wild.

[@haizix_3770]

I just realized that the intro is playing come as you are

[@potatopcgamer739]

When my Gallaghar started doing 160k superbreak dmg (built as a healer) , maybe they r not complete wrong where game is going

[@MorinoTengu]

i still didn't see any powercreep in my game

[@KraizenFaraway]

The funny thing teccy is basically describing exactly how Genshin META is where all roads lead to XIANGLING 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥 Jokes aside, I think HSR is now on Hyperbloom phase in GI. Easy to build and easiest to clear with FF. At end of the day, It really doesn't matter as long people can still clear with old units. Seele being 1.0 is still S tier. Clara is still relevant. Himeko/Herta OP tier in PF. Yanqing continues to be fraud. At least for now, It's not a problem in HSR.

[@jordannathanael4884]

well, I played HSR from day 1, on the early days I can't even constanly beat phantilya until I got Fu xuan. my team at that time only consist of what, seele sw natasha and tingyun probably. so yeah, I had a hard time on the early, mid and late game so its still the same difficulty for me. even for now the PF first half pretty hard for me while I have clara, since the enemy didn't attack at all like the bug wait for explode then i lost my control on clara, she didn't even proc the counterattack.

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

Tectone is right , we are wrong What he mean of "lose" is not cant clear endgame content, but cant utilize the buff Even if you can clear MoC with 0 cycle as long as you cant utilize the buff that mean you "lose" 🤣🤣

[@rohit_boga]

BREAKS the meta, but firefly kinda saved my account because my DHIL was good but my jing yuan and seele are not good enough for the harder content. Lost a lot of 50/50s (including losing on Acheron) and had guaranteed firefly and signature light cone. I can clear pretty much anything now because of firefly

[@PlatinumLP]

on my f2p no pulls 4 star only account I 0 cycle full auto first try moc12 apocalyptic shadow autism universe every time

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

Kektone has skill issues. That's it. I've been playing since GGZ. The only game they have (which is still active today) that has a serious power creeping was Honkai 3rd. LOL.

[@mikazakhaev5011]

god, i want to go back to HI3 (because I got a better phone that may survive part 2 graphic updates) but all my battlesuits are probably useless now lol.

[@marcusbullock2753]

I like what Pokke has to say don't really know how I feel about the other two.

[@ClutchCombo]

This is such a funny arguement for me cause I’m a bp buyer and I have been using JY since he came out and I skipped Acheron and I have been clearing moc with him. Tbh hsr has done a good job of giving buffs to characters to keep them up to date power wise. I have no complaints about meta

[@thornszk]

Just introduce gimicks to disrupt auto-ing endgames😂. (like the traffic lights, or mechanics that negate nukes if you're not paying attention that the elite has put up its invulnerability buff) I think FGO introduced multiple breakbars when many units can oneshot bosses with new meta supports.

[@trysephiroth007]

Might as well just disable auto in those modes instead of adding gimmicks like that

[@Grayewicked]

speaking of artificial difficulty... *insert boss battles in Genshin, a proof that Hoyoverse can't think of other ways of making bosses creatively difficult other than increasing stats and stall mechanics* Yeah no, nobody wants nor needs that.

[@nf7694]

As a loooooong time FGO player, it's not really the same comparison. 99.99% of content in FGO does not have a turn limit. You could stall fights for eternity if you wanted to (and some mad lads have as a cheese to difficult content). After you break a bar, the enemy is invincible until their turn starts, so if they have 2 break bars, you can't kill them in a single turn. In games with a time/turn limit like genshin/HSR, enemy stalling the fight could negatively affect your clear rewards. But not in FGO. In FGO, as long as you win the fight, you get full rewards. Instead, what FGO does is add all kinds of mechanics to make it challenging. There's always effects that trigger when enemy break bars are broken. Sometimes they get massively buffed, sometimes they charge their 'ultimate' (NP) bar to full and use it immediately, etc. Before break bars all you had to do was make sure you do enough damage to one shot and you can ignore enemy mechanics. With break bars, you have to plan for how you're going to play after each break bar. Heck, you can even beat challenging content without a single SSR and it's been that way for years (it's 9th anniversary this year). There's entire channels that specialize in these big brain strats. CEs (the FGO equivalent of LCs in HSR) are unrestricted and can be equipped on any character, allowing for some very interesting tech.

[@rvender]

@@nf7694 Agreed lmao, FGO also buff old charathers unlike hoyo

[@charlesr.8159]

To me, having DOT, hypercarry, crit, break effect, follow up teams based on the availability of characters allows players to tailor their team comps. Considering 4* options and standard 5* units, you can do crit, and DOT teams at most, with a little hypercarry. I don’t agree that if you dont have this character, don’t bother. Remember genshin had characters that can shield, and then enemies had a way of reducing your HP even with shield on. In the future, there could be enemies that will have immunities to certain team comps, and that will require you to have many teams that can circumvent those immunities. Break effect teams weakness is that some units toughness bars cannot be reduced. DoT teams can freely enjoy because at the moment, there is nothing giving them a hard time, unless there are DoT immune enemies, or enemies that can cleanse debuffs.

[@poliwb1]

it's very easy for Hoyo to wall out Super Break... Shields, Multi-layer toughness, Toughness barriers.. Break dps needs their weakness implant to even do anything..

[@mirei9225]

Yep, super break teams are as simple as that, imagine a hole archetype based around silver wolf implating weakness lol. Ff and boothill's implant doesn't even reduce the res to their element like silver does, meaning that if you are against a dude with 80% fire weakness, your ff would just do no damage even with weakness implant. People surely likes to complain about powercreep since DHIL lol.

[@XiasGaming]

The true just pull what ever you want it. Can't clear Moc full stars? Or PF? Or apocalip shadow? Who care just 60 jades less everage.

[@pillowhead4456]

Tectone responding to this guy cause he thought he can win the argument but not responding to Iyo's video when Iyo proved him wrong is such a pussy move 😂😂. Also 8:43 he said something about using brain and strategy while he complains last AS cause he didn't know what the boss mechanics, HMC superbreak, Firefly enhanced attack is such a ingenious thing to say. Especially when he himself doesn't play the game, but his mods does it for him 😂

[@pakkasaurus]

these two wont even need to talk in a discord channel they can communicate via morse code with the light shining off their heads

[@hazy4285]

thanks pokke for being 1 of the only gacha content creators that doesnt immediately annoy me and i can actually listen to u lol

[@emilythedragon]

Ever since the SAM MoC I've been able to fully clear every piece of end game content with all stars. Low spender, all E0 characters, only Acheron's sig LC. I even skipped Followup meta entirely yet was still able to get through Aventurine MoC using my DoT team (with Asta, because I didn't have Ruan Mei) because I realized Kafka's Follow up was allowing me to get the 6th attack in a turn to trigger the MoC buff. The idea that the buff only works for 1 character is such a dogshit take, people used Himeko and Gui in place of Firefly to utilize the latest break-centric MoC buff.

[@lightblue8818]

I have really bad luck when it comes to relic farming so i have always disliked carry metas where the relics are everything. I aopreciated that they brought the dot builds to the front and break teams with hmc. Its so much more fun to not be cucked by an arbitrary rng system that just never hits.

[@koko-hh2bq]

Right? Feels alot better when you clear endgame through your own gameplay rather than flexing relic luck

[@vexusdesu6272]

"Have this character or you lose." As a person who knows what losing a few Stellar Jades feels like it ain't that deep man, hsr is still a top quality game

[@gandi8959]

tectone literally had the best teamf or second side with firefly ruan mei. he "had this character and stil lost" he just talking out of his ass

[@multipatt8710]

2024 has so many people debating about a damn gacha game. Just play and have fun.

[@Shiwayari]

Yeah that part about casual F2P getting max rewards in one try is silly. At that point noone would have a game to play. Max rewards in Hoyo games even as F2P is at the worst very doable and most commonly quite easy. I first max cleared MoC I think right when FuXuan came out and haven't missed any max rewards since in any mode. That is fully F2P account status (technically 15 bucks total for 3 passes but I never dropped below 20k jades). Funnily, in MoC it IS mostly 1 try. ApoShadow and PF are harder on my account. For PF my only Erudition is Herta. No Himeko, zero 5 star DoT units, no Firefly. Also didn't use Acheron in the new one because she didn't work well (sub 30k points). Still, after finding the right team I was able to get max rewards every time. Heck ApoShadow I did with Seele and Jingliu just because I wanted to not trivialize it with Acheron. My only signature LC is Acherons and my only limited Eidolon is FuXuan E1 (at 4 pity..). Everything else is E0 with Herta shop or 4 star LCs, and most of those aren't even close to S5. But if you're F2P and *not* playing every day idk why anyone would expect to get all rewards. You're not following the games intended gameplay loop at that point so, duh?

[@hadiibrahim3880]

tectone became so powerful to versions of him exists on our timeline

[@archerkuro4158]

In the great words of necrit if you walk into a bar ur gonna find liquor if you play a gatcha game the game will be pull to win to some degree Also tec mentions that he got 2 stats and his happy with it and didn’t want to restart that’s him ignoring the skill expression he claims isn’t there trying different teams and trying different optimizations in the battle is the skill expression it’s the same as saying I got 2/3 rd the way through a boss and the game let me progress the I could try again or try different weapons but I’m happy with what I got so I’ll move on if he is ok with that that’s fine but don’t say the game doesn’t have skill expression when ur choosing not to use it

[@Malix2238]

Super Break = Dendro, thats how much it broke the game and we all saw how dendro affected Genshin.

[@ziodyne7774]

Yea, except you need to break the enemy, before start doing damage, while HB is just straight up massive damage, so stop with this bullshit comparison, dot is much closer to HB

[@hjw7175]

I have true F2P experience since this game launched at the first day, I can clear any content even 3 star on end game content after 6 months gameplay It's hard but it is not impossible (But you know....sometimes if you can't clear, you just can't clear as F2p, I deeply understand😢)

[@thatalbeeguy]

the only horrible take is the one that MrPokke ain't a relatable f2p streamer with amazing neutral community and with only authentic and unpaid chatters 🔥🔥🔥

[@BigHumbis456]

bit late with the best time to start playing take no? the firefly/ruan mei banners ended

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

Acherons vs Yanqing its not about powercreep. Its about of bad desighned chars. Because even Serval > Yanqing in most cases she is 1.0 4* with him being 1.0 5* both standart.

[@rx71102]

I am one of those people who had to build a full new team just so firefly does not suck ass, it is not a enjoyable experience i can confirm

[@GRovyIIe]

Firefly just bulldozes everything in her way, she really did break star rail

[@vegitoblue6969]

i like how mlbb players also play hsr like me

[@gandi8959]

just not for tectone. he used firefly in apocalyptic shadow with ruan mei and stil fucked up. thats the original of the whole story and why he thinks there is power creep. because he has skill issues and doesnt want to admit it

[@itzvenny_]

Hot take but I don't think if you spent $500 on a character you wanted or liked that you should be considered a whale. If anything, maybe a whale moment. Been playing gachas since around 2016 and from what I understood, whales are people that spend up to thousands on every single new unit or character that comes out, thats why they are called whales. At most, the dude in the video could be considered a dolphin. Nowadays people love saying anyone who spends over X amount of money is a whale, but by that logic even monthly pass buyers will be considered whales when 3rd anniversary arrives and they've bought the same $5 pass for 30+ months

[@micopagcu405]

Damn. The Dramaception is at it NUCLEAR PEAK.

[@krazyaim]

Tectone bending the facts to fit his narrative

[@frankfencl7071]

Pokke with the nuclear reasonable takes

[@RageGS]

Late upload moment lmao but I agree with Tectone mostly when it comes to F2P players who are day 1 players who don't play everyday because they're not getting enough jades to grab the new shiny DPS but at the end of the day Players need to put effort in grinding better relics The game has auto play and if you can't click auto, you're lazy lmao

[@noghaltz16]

Personally, I'm eccstatic that newer characters don't require too much relic investment. Grinding for relics with RNG is the worst part of HSR's gameplay for me.

[@DaedLizrad]

I mean, she's ruined it for me. In the sense that after I pulled her, I started thinking, "Why am I not just playing a full rpg?" and I dont have a good answer for why not. Since for the price of pulling one copy of a character, you can buy a full rpg game. If youre fully f2p HSR makes some sense, but if you're someone who's willing to spend money on on games, like me, then Star Rail becomes a really bad value proposition both in time and money because every new character is the price of a new game and the story is infinitely mid compared to a full release rpg. Once I realized this internally, I lost all interest in the game and personally rate it as the worst gatcha in terms of value.

[@latenter1428571]

53:02 If you start right now and get all of meta characters then yes, experience should be good. But! Only for now. When Firefly will be powercrept then "all" of your resources are gone. Still you'll need at least Pela and Tingyun with eidolons, still you'll need resources for good LCs, good relics and relic's XP and so on. Veteran players will always have much better accounts no matter when new player starts the game. And if you really think this is a problem then.. start new fresh account, nobody stops you. Or just don't pull for 5 patches and then you'll have much more pulls than any of the new players would have. So, powercreep is bad for day 1 players but even worse for new players long term.

[@stefand439]

we got pokke reacting to tectone reacting to tectone from walmart reacting to tectone before gta 6

[@renzenallen5147]

seeing 3 tectones in one screen is crazy

[@BladieTv]

Tectone VS. Tectone

[@Mocchi-]

Us players clearing everything with max stars with only 4 stars 🤯

[@paubalid7897]

the double standards of these people that say they dont need to compare x game to y game when the situation favors that and then go back to comparing them again just to get a one up on the game that they shill on

[@Daniel-gs2hi]

I started playing the game 3 months ago and can clear full star everything, i think people that can't clear at all are just skill issued

[@Xailei_]

Ima b real, I still clear shit with my serval. I don’t even spend that much (monthly and bp). Like ima b honest, there really isn’t a difference between a lucky f2p account, and a person who spends to get a copy of each character. Like he’s assuming that all f2p players hit max pity 💀. Gacha smack has spent a good amount of money on the game, but his account is very relatable. A “whale” account is an account that has e4 -e6 units. But getting a copy of each character? And maybe their weapon? That’s not a whale. If anything, that’s more relatable to how most people play.

[@raiesh3813]

Two eggs beefing it out, peak content

[@ElevatorIsStuck]

Oh no pokke watches the egg

[@clipbitlocker]

who?

[@handlerone5172]

Pretty sure Seele can still go in and clear MOC 12...so where is the creep? Pretty sure I watched a video where a dude with ass invested free characters cleared the newest game mode and MOC. So where is the creep? If there is power creep in a PVE game, the devs are fucking up badly and that's all there is to it. Insane how in 1.1 of WuWa too people are ALREADY talking about power creep like fuck people, just play whoever and you will still win.

[@Ilya0084]

Funniest part of wuwa power creep is that it actually doesn't exist right now jinshi didn't power creep jiyan they're both different elements and you press one botton on jiyan and You CC almost every single small enemy I'm pretty sure jinshi doesn't have CC and is more complicated to use This is not power creep when they add another Aero DPS that can CC medium enemies and is as easy to use as jiyan that's power creep

[@inventedbaton958]

I mean there is no denying that the newer characters are stronger, but the older characters are not irrelevant. At least for hsr.

[@KIMOGE_NEKO]

I see Pokke losing his hair reacting to this

[@utsubyo]

I said it before and I'll say it again It's not as big of an issue if an issue at all, it was the case since game released, new character is always having a buff to make them stronger BUT other characters can still benefit from it and are very capable of clearing content Tectone is actually fighting for very small specific part of the community and not the largest demographic, the largest demographic doesn't care and doesn't even engage with the endgame - stats from prydwen

[@Frou-hsr]

I really don't like Ruan Mei as a character. So I pulled Firefly instead of her. I really, really regret it, she cannot do MOC12 without Ruan Mei. So the investment in Firefly isn't about relics, it is about getting the 5 star to support her which sucks just as much for a F2P player who started playing in 2.0 and loses every.single.damn 50/50

[@Astro_Shun]

Bro which chat is which 😭

[@Spacecowboy1997]

crazy that genshin devs mastered the powercreep problem by making dps more and more niece and have old powerful 4 strars. Quite genius tbh.

[@vegitoblue6969]

new players today will not be able to reroll fast enough because banner in going down in no time.

[@XiasGaming]

RIP DanIL E2 in F2P accounts.

[@Aki-bx1of]

Why did they not say this when acheron came out? At higher eidelons she’s far better than firefly Try using firefly at eos0 you’ll know Fucking overreactors

[@gamerphobe]

"if you cant auto with a completely f2p team and get max rewards on your first attempt it means im right" 😭😭😭

[@_Gabimaru]

I don’t think firefly is the problem I think hoyo is the problem, back when Acheron released they did NOT make enemies as big of hp sponges as they are now they decided to only do this for the break teams. I don’t understand why they waited till firefly to double enemies hp bars it’s like their saying “oh you don’t have Acheron or firefly? Drop money now or struggle without immense investment for your every team” it fucked me over on my alt cause I play this game more casually and take breaks once in a while so only a few of my units are well invested in

[@handlerone5172]

Dog, search up videos of rubbish teams that are made up of free units clearing all the content on rubbish gear.

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

Are you referring to MOC or AS because with MOC they didn't they actually did the opposite. The newest MOC has enemies with lower health.

[@_Gabimaru]

@@handlerone5172 they don’t exist because all of the “rubbish teams” are highest invested in characters with min maxed relics,maxed traces and top tier supports.

[@fuumaruu7486]

​@@_Gabimaru So it's a Vertical investment, like what Tectone was complaining about

[@_Gabimaru]

@@fuumaruu7486 yea and I agree with tectone, the majority of casuals cannot complete the endgame content cause the majority don’t keep up with the game every day religiously like a job to have good enough relics for 8 different units. The majority of these content creators for these games that are decently sized have others maintain all their gacha accounts for them so they don’t have to and tectone is the only one looking at it from our perspectives. The fact that guy said “I only spent around $500” is hilarious cause that’s enough to get every character on every banner, which the majority cannot do.

[@dan_chen]

Bro would anyone believe me when I say I make around 500/month? There's bills, rent, then I also gotta eat, and that's just my damn self, those Americans often forget how privileged they can be

[@dan_chen]

Still, I would disagree on the point of powercreep being that bad in this game. If the next leaked characters remain the same after they are released, then let's just know that Acheron is like Hutao of genshin and Firefly is like Nilou with HMC being Nahida. They are overtuned, that's it

[@agr_aldt]

I think you misunderstand tec’s take when he says “do it in one try”, Legionz is beyond overconfident in this video and tec is just challenging that, if he says it’s not a problem and any free to play can do it, he should have no issue proving that in the slightest

[@sahil97myst]

Imagine someone else is reacting to pokke's this video 💀💀💀💀

[@matchajellies]

I bet the next meta is going be FUA with enemys only base on the amount of times u hit them 😂

[@WaifusAreReal]

oh no not nuclear