Firing a musket - Four rounds a minute - Sharpe myth busted

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@joegill3612
@joegill3612 2 ай бұрын
First rule in firing a musket like Sharpe is to take your shirt off when the camera's on you or when there's a young woman about.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Can't believe we missed this fundamental rule 😆
@BlackStar2161
@BlackStar2161 Ай бұрын
Now that's soldiering
@yorkiebar1966
@yorkiebar1966 Ай бұрын
Second rule is to say ‘bastard’ on a regular basis.
@BlyatimirPootin
@BlyatimirPootin Ай бұрын
Seems reasonable
@T_bone
@T_bone Ай бұрын
Made more hilarious by the fact a suggested video underneath this one, has "Sharpe teaching how to fire" with no shirt on!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Rhubba
@Rhubba 2 ай бұрын
The line of dialogue in "Sharpe's Eagle" was the "ability to fire 3 rounds a minute in all weather". Private Dobbs manages to fire 4 rounds but then collapses. Sharpe also instructs the South Essex in the way of "tap loading" and not use the ramrod. However in "Sharpe's Battle" he teaches the Irish Company how to load and fire muskets the traditional way.
@allenhilburn8686
@allenhilburn8686 2 ай бұрын
I thought it was 3/minute, not 4. 3 is a much more realistic goal. I'm glad you pointed this out. Saved me having to go hunt down the scene.
@chuckm4540
@chuckm4540 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your sharp(es) observation.
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 2 ай бұрын
Different script writers for these episodes?
@STho205
@STho205 2 ай бұрын
Yes I remember the line in the series by Sharpe's character. I never read the books. I can consistently load 3 a minute give or take 5 seconds with cartridge....traditionally loaded with returned rammer. I have done 4 a few times, however that fast is perfect weather, and fresh flint. Tap loading only works if you discard the paper, and drop the bullet (roundball or buckshot) naked. With the paper it is too tight a fit. Rifles can't be tap loaded as the ball must fit hard and be driven into the groves...or patched where the patch does that.
@STho205
@STho205 2 ай бұрын
The most without misfire for me was 36 rounds in a competition. I came in 2nd. The winner has 39. Now we were both using Miroku replica 1763 French muskets...that were manufactured in the 1970s. Both well cared for having shot thousands of blank and live rounds. I don't think we could replicate that reliability in 21st century replica imports.
@jasonb1776
@jasonb1776 2 ай бұрын
I have shot muskets for over 30 years and I have couple of observations. The flint - it matters where it was from. In the 1800's and before the flints were all from Suffolk and mined from the area around Grimes Graves. These flints are about as good as can be obtained. I knap my own gunflints from flint purchased from there. It is not unusual to get 120 + shots from one flint. Commercial flints (often black in colour) tend to be heat treated to allow easier knapping (thus increasing production). I would be lucky to get 30 shots from one of these commercial flints. So getting the authentic flints makes a big difference. Firing ball means things also slow down a bit - getting it rammed home through the fouling takes a few moments more to make certain it is seated. There is no going off the aim if there is delay or hangfire - you have to take normal safety precautions, hold it in the shoulder and give it a bit longer in case it cooks off a live round. Firing blank is one thing, firing ball is another.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 2 ай бұрын
@jasonb1776 Hello Jason. Could I ask please where do you order these flints from Grimes Graves? Thank you very much.
@badbob6689
@badbob6689 Ай бұрын
Dido on the hang fire.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 Ай бұрын
@@jasonb1776 Hello Jason….. where can I order Grimes Graves flint from? Thank you
@annemariewong5866
@annemariewong5866 Ай бұрын
Read the book. Start with a loaded and prime musket. First shot fired #1 second. 50 plus seconds remaining for three more shots. Cromwell states only the best could accomplish this. The made for TV series is complete crap.
@williamhalgarth6625
@williamhalgarth6625 Ай бұрын
Very interesting about the flints, thank you
@theeddorian
@theeddorian 2 ай бұрын
Sharpe asked for _three_ rounds, no "four."
@hemmingwayfan
@hemmingwayfan Ай бұрын
Well Sharpe did technically cheat. He started with a loaded musket then only needed to reload 3 times
@tibzig1
@tibzig1 Ай бұрын
Sean Bean asked for nothing more than his actor's pay!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@phililpb
@phililpb Ай бұрын
sharp had a rifle not a musket
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565 Ай бұрын
​@phililpb These are the comments I am hear for.
@headshot6959
@headshot6959 Ай бұрын
Harper: _"What is it Mr Sharpe says makes a good soldier?"_
@markcole5108
@markcole5108 2 ай бұрын
I’ve tried similar tests with a replica French model 1777. Sustained and accurate fire at this rate is not possible. After six or so shots, the barrel gets too hot to touch. After several shots, especially in humid weather, the barrel is too fouled to fire accurately. There was tests performed in France during the wars and they had to be ended because the barrels became so hot that they risked igniting the powder while loading.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Really interesting, thanks Mark.
@allenhilburn8686
@allenhilburn8686 2 ай бұрын
Yes, barrel heating is definitely a thing. I took to wearing a wool glove on my left hand during battle reenactments to protect from getting burned. Barrel fouling is an issue, but this was mitigated by using undersized bullets. For example, the British Land Pattern muskets, aka the Brown Bess, had a .75 caliber bore, but the round ball caliber was. 72 to .73, which allows loading with a fouled barrel. Also, keep in mind a musket is basically a spear that can shoot. They are inaccurate, and initial engagement ranges were relatively close in most cases so the number of shots was limited before you engaged with the bayonet. In the reenactment, we did where we were assaulting enemy troops in a fixed fortification I could get off ten shots with some luck before it went hand to hand. This event is what led to wearing the glove.
@michaelwright4456
@michaelwright4456 2 ай бұрын
Ramming is the key to consistant firing of more than 10 shots. Its definitely possible and fore me demonstrable to fire more than 5 shots tap loading in a minute. Ramming I can and have done 4 using a 1777ix infantry
@patwarner397
@patwarner397 Ай бұрын
Eight to ten rounds before fouling took hold, in a Brown Bess and a Charleville, when my re-enacting group tried it.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
@@patwarner397 Interesting. I lost count of how many rounds we went through, but we must have managed c.15+ over the course of the day, and didn't sluice the barrel. We did use two muskets though, so that would probably explain it.
@LordKane38
@LordKane38 2 ай бұрын
I thought it was 3 rounds a minute in Sharpe not 4?
@stuartjarman4930
@stuartjarman4930 2 ай бұрын
Either way, it is nonsense as British doctrine was a single volley followed up with the bayonet, not extended firefights
@LordKane38
@LordKane38 2 ай бұрын
​@@stuartjarman4930 For attacking an opposing line or position yes. But not always. Defending positions wouldn't bayonet charge out fortifications. There are plenty of scenarios where extended firefights took place.
@edwardhyde4861
@edwardhyde4861 2 ай бұрын
@@stuartjarman4930 not always, platoon fire decimated the French at Waterloo
@Apollo890
@Apollo890 2 ай бұрын
​@@stuartjarman4930 That's not true, during the Napoleonic wars British troops would often do extended platoon fire against French columns during defensive battles like Talevera and Busaco as in most battles of the Peninsula the British were outnumbered.
@alexh4436
@alexh4436 2 ай бұрын
A continuous rate of 3 rounds per minute could imply that in the first minute of fire that 4 rounds were fired, because the musket would probably arrive within rage already loaded.
@robertlewis8295
@robertlewis8295 2 ай бұрын
Paper Cartridges also has done this, he got 4 shots per minute using something roughly like the proper way. The spit tap method was more like 2-3 rounds per minute. He started with an unloaded musket, but he was not bringing it to the shoulder and pausing before going to the firing position. He also goes into some depth about why the spit tap method is bad, and why the cartridges were constructed the way they were.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, our experiment was really focused on whether it can be done by sticking exactly to the drill manual. You can definitely manage more by cutting corners on the drill.
@josharchibald4637
@josharchibald4637 Ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars Well, that's interesting. It kinda flies in the face of my above comments premise but, in the beginning of the video it really sounded like you were testing the Sharpe's method. If that's not the case, the introduction is rather misleading.
@peterward4005
@peterward4005 Ай бұрын
Sharpe taught his men that bits of doctrine could be skipped in a real fight, in cornwells Starbucks novels the ram rod was not returned but leant against the body for easy access saving time.
@Rob-e8w
@Rob-e8w 2 ай бұрын
2:28 I thought that the phrase `a flash in the pan` referred to the powder in the pan failing to ignite the charge in the barrel.
@WoodyWood-di5gr
@WoodyWood-di5gr 2 ай бұрын
Correct 👍🏻
@tearlach61
@tearlach61 2 ай бұрын
It kind of is. You can get the flash, but for whatever reason, with no boom from the gun itself.
@allenhilburn8686
@allenhilburn8686 2 ай бұрын
@Rob-e8w A "flash in the pan" is usually due to an obstructed touchhole which is a hole in the barrel leading from the pan where the priming charge is to the breach area of the musket. One of the tools you would carry and have readily available in a vent pick for cleaning the touchhole.
@chrisbarrett8817
@chrisbarrett8817 2 ай бұрын
I think the phrase is usually used in the context of “just a flash in the pan”, meaning the main charge failed to ignite.
@spikespa5208
@spikespa5208 Ай бұрын
"flash in the pan": someone who is all show with a lot of noise and fury...... but with no substantial result, i.e. the tribal medicine man in _F Troop_ . What is referred to as a doghead I always heard called the cock ( kinda looks like one), hence the term "going off half-cocked".
@OptimusWombat
@OptimusWombat 2 ай бұрын
Sigh, the line was "three rounds a minute in any weather". If you're going to bust a myth, then at least get the myth right first.
@historicarmourer
@historicarmourer 2 ай бұрын
Don't shoulder the musket between loading and firing and you'll save 6-10 seconds in the sequence. Also, the ramrod can be stuck in the ground rather than replacing in the stock. Not typical practice but can save a lot of fumbling in a stationary engagement.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, part of the point of the exercise (which we didn't explain in the video because it would have made the narration tedious) is that we did everything in line with the drill manual, hence why we didn't cut corners. Tbh I think even I could have done 4 rounds with the ramrod in the ground.
@michaelwright4456
@michaelwright4456 2 ай бұрын
fumbling ramrod is avoided with right technique
@iangarrett741
@iangarrett741 2 ай бұрын
Ramrod in the ground frowned upon, even a slight change of position and you’re in danger of leaving it behind.
@GrahamWalters
@GrahamWalters 2 ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars The first thing any soldier does in the heat of battle is throw the drill manual away!
@jaydunno8266
@jaydunno8266 2 ай бұрын
Any sergeant would have been "upset" seeing a ramrod stuck in the ground, and would have made his displeasure known to the offender. The musket is pretty much useless without the ramrod. yes, one could possibly have tap loaded a couple of rounds, but bear in mind the drill was designed for battalion sized elements firing in a line formation. The idea was that everyone does the same thing at the same time, so that the battalion can fire a volley at the enemy.
@BjørjaBear
@BjørjaBear Ай бұрын
Sharpe must be one of the few tv series/films where Sean Bean actually survives. He seems to die at a frightful rate no matter what he is in.
@David_Crayford
@David_Crayford Ай бұрын
Not Ronin. He just gets the sack. 🙂
@inagaddadavidahoney
@inagaddadavidahoney Ай бұрын
In The Martian he also gets fired.
@christianemden7637
@christianemden7637 Ай бұрын
Well he has to make up for a lot of situations, Sharpe survived everything no matter the odds.
@formicapple2
@formicapple2 2 ай бұрын
I used to shoot as a member of the Vintage Arms Association. Rifle shooting at Purfleet Ranges, Gravesend, UK. Brown Bess flintlock musket. .75 cal. Best I could do was 3 rounds per minute. If it was warm and dry.
@tonyspaghetti9043
@tonyspaghetti9043 Ай бұрын
That last attempt was actually a nail-biter. Crazy impressive.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 ай бұрын
Nice work. This is the only other demonstration of the correct footwork I have seen. I wouldn't hasten to put too much weight on this, modern experience regarding misfires though... Reproduction muskets may have poorly harden hammers, or bad flints may shatter... Misfires certainly are a factor in the case of general flintlock practice, but "conclusive" observations based on a somewhat flawed foundation need to be taken with the necessary grain of salt. Of course, we don't see the larger picture of how his firelock functions 'normally' and this might have been a case of the muzzleloading gods being cantankerous.... It wasn't shown in the video, but was the flint knapped once it ceased to function properly? It's hard to tell, but is the flint held in leather or lead?
@LiamTelfer1985
@LiamTelfer1985 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I’m a huge fan of your work and have used it a lot in training. It was the first time firing this firelock so it was taking some time to get used to its nuances, it is an Indian made reproduction. The muzzleloading gods have since become much less fickle when using it. The flint was indeed knapped but it didn’t want to spark at all. The hammer itself was newly hardened. The flint was in leather, although I’ve toyed with the thought of using lead I haven’t yet. What’s your experience of the difference, if any?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 ай бұрын
@@LiamTelfer1985 glad to hear the gods’ fickleness was fleeting! I use leather for the flint and never had issue to change. What did you use to harden the hammer? Great to see a well put together demo with good turn out and soldierly handling of the weapon! If you haven’t already had a chance to fire live, make all possible arrangements to do so! Even more take aways! Great job.
@LiamTelfer1985
@LiamTelfer1985 2 ай бұрын
The hammer was hardened for me by the gunsmith Peter Dyson and now that I rectified the flint issue sparks very well indeed. Thanks again for the feedback, as you know it’s a lot of commitment to build a solid impression and praise from someone I hold in such high regard is greatly appreciated.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 ай бұрын
@@LiamTelfer1985 Glad to hear things worked out. Don't mind me though, I'm just some silly plonk who likes shooting.....
@nickdougan394
@nickdougan394 2 ай бұрын
Hi Rob and Liam, all interesting stuff. I'm interested, Rob, in the suggestion here that reproduction muskets are less reliable than the originals. What I took, possibly erroneously, from your videos on firing the Brown Bess was that reproductions - and crucially with modern black powder - were probably more reliable and consistent than the originals. Certainly, I was impressed at your ability to land all of the musket balls on a No4 target at 100 yards. Even as a (latter day) light infantryman, I didn't think that was possible. As far as 4 rounds per minute, I think that even Cornwell suggested that that was possible only when you started with a loaded musket. And in any case, if you were skirmishing, you would wish to take your time. If, on the other hand, you were in the line at close range, the object was to land a couple of good volleys and charge. High rate of fire close quarter volleying just got all of your guys killed. So delivering the second volley before the other side delivered theirs was hopefully all you needed to do.
@angelikaopland7880
@angelikaopland7880 19 күн бұрын
Good demonstration of why the order "Fix bayonets!" wasn't usually given before it was time for a bayonet charge. You'd cut yourself loading the bloody musket in such a hurry. I've fired a Hawken .50 cal. rifle a few times; the greased patch & rifling demands more effort with the ram rod, so more accurate but slower...
@mikegrossberg8624
@mikegrossberg8624 2 ай бұрын
Just fyi, the phrase "lock and load" came from the way one loaded a flintlock musket from a cartridge: first priming the pan(the "lock"), then pouring the rest of the powder and the bullet down the barrel(load)
@jimaanders7527
@jimaanders7527 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, I've wondered about that expression.
@gaiustacitus4242
@gaiustacitus4242 2 ай бұрын
Priming the pan was not the lock. The lock was literally locking the hammer back prior to priming the pan. The loading of the shot had to precede the priming of the pan on a muzzle loading musket or rifle, lest the priming powder fall out of the pan while ramming home the shot. The modern use of "lock and load" is nonsensical. It is used in TV shows and copycats in the military where the phrase "weapons free" should be used. When actually performing a "lock and load," the safety is locked in place prior to loading a magazine into the receiver and charging the bolt. This prevents the firing pin from being triggered and striking the round in the chamber. In the movies, a firearm is ready to fire after a "lock and load" but in the real world the safety is disengaged upon a command of "weapons free". Anyone having a live weapon after only hearing "lock and load" is a danger to himself and those around him.
@mikegrossberg8624
@mikegrossberg8624 2 ай бұрын
@@gaiustacitus4242 Number one, I wasn't talking about "modern" firearms Number two, the reason one doesn't prime the pan of a flintlock before loading(these days, at least) is for safety reasons, i.e. having the gun go off unexpectedly When a British soldier loaded his weapon, he used a paper cartridge containing both powder and ball. A pinch of powder was first put in the priming pan, and the frizzen(or "hammer", as it was called then) closed over the pan. The only way the priming could have fallen out was if the frizzen didn't close all the way, which would be a mechanical defect, and could have rendered the musket unfireable. I suggest you consult the British manual of arms for loading a flintlock musket. By the way, I've fired flintlocks for many years, and I've NEVER had the priming fall out once the frizzen was down on the pan
@ainmaloy1727
@ainmaloy1727 Ай бұрын
​@@gaiustacitus4242I've never heard this expression been used in sense you've mentioned. Probably 'cos I never watched that kind of shows. But I had heard it in meaning "I'm ready" or something like that. And I always thought that it's only normal and logical meaning of that expression
@TheIronDuke9
@TheIronDuke9 Ай бұрын
Wow I've wondered what that meant since hearing it used on the tv show Tour Of Duty in the 80's! Thank you
@nickcoffin8339
@nickcoffin8339 2 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff- thanks. It backs up my experience with trying to get 4 live rounds off in a minute. I only ever managed 3, but that was starting with an unloaded musket. Adding the musket ball slows it down even further, especially after the barrel starts to foul.
@davedixon2068
@davedixon2068 2 ай бұрын
Got twenty off in under a minute,(well under actually), but then I was using an SLR
@richardhubbard540
@richardhubbard540 2 ай бұрын
Wasn't one of the tricks used in the book "Sharpe's Eagle" was that Sharpe started with a loaded musket, and the clock started when he fired? Only need to reload in 30 sec for 3 shots/min (20 sec for 4 shots/min)
@nickcoffin8339
@nickcoffin8339 2 ай бұрын
@richardhubbard540 - best I managed with someone timing me was 3 shots in 1 minute and 5 seconds starting unloaded. It's very difficult, any slip or fumble ruins the attempt. Also didn't feel 100% safe. I used a 12 gauge doglock and a belly box for the cartridges. The cartridges had a 695 ball and the whole lot went down the barrel with the exception of the priming charge as per manual of arms
@EllipticalReasoning
@EllipticalReasoning 25 күн бұрын
I imagine it was possible for some exceptionally skilled individuals in good conditions to load and fire four shots in a minute, but I'm sure there weren't any armies doing it.
@generalsandnapoleon
@generalsandnapoleon 2 ай бұрын
Really nice work on this. Good idea with slo-mo to show each step.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@richardsimpson3792
@richardsimpson3792 2 ай бұрын
Not read the books or seen the TV, but my dad was a fan. He said Sharpe was a 'rifleman' hence the green jacket. The rife was loaded and fired carfully to engage long range targets accurately from cover ...the greenjackets were akin to today's snipers and recon units. They only fired twice a minute at most...half the rate of a musketeer.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely right. The leather-wrapped ball was harder to ram down the barrel due to the rifling. In the scene we refer to though, Sharpe fires off four rounds while using a smoothbore musket, which is why we did the exercise this way.
@Green.Country.Agroforestry
@Green.Country.Agroforestry 2 ай бұрын
Even with preloaded powder charges, it is a challenge to get three shots off per minute with a rifled bore
@markwatson8714
@markwatson8714 Ай бұрын
It depended on how they were deployed and what they were doing. Riflemen could be expected to 'stand the line', at which point the expectation was the same three rounds a minute of a musket. Similarly if called upon to form square they'd be looking for three rounds per minute. They were actually issued two separate types of ammunition for just such occurrences - the loose leather wrapped bullets for skirmishing or sharpshooting work, and regular paper cartridges for line work. It's one of the inaccuracies in the Sharpe TV show that the men are always seen using the paper cartridges.
@jchan3358
@jchan3358 Ай бұрын
Four rounds a minute? Now, that's soldiering!
@papercartridges6705
@papercartridges6705 Ай бұрын
Fantastic effort and very smartly done. I made a similar video but did not have the period correct uniform and accountrements, and therefore had to set the cartridges on a bench, and everyone commented to say I couldn't do it when loading from the actual cartridge box. This video proves that it was indeed quite possible to be done, loading from the cartridge box and using the period drill, without any special Sharpe fictional inventions like spit-loading or butt-thumping. Excellent job!
@onehairybuddha
@onehairybuddha 2 ай бұрын
"...in any weather".
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
What impressed us was that Liam got through this without calling anyone a 'BASTARD!'
@onehairybuddha
@onehairybuddha 2 ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars Should have told him that if he couldn't do it he'd be flogged. I hear that's a motivator.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
@@onehairybuddha Tbh though, he was the one with the gun, so he had more leverage! 🤣
@yordanazzolin
@yordanazzolin Ай бұрын
0:22 "this is what the British were doing to beat the French in the Napoleonic wars" I think people forget the Napoleonic wars is more than just Waterloo, and that Waterloo was not vs the Grande Armée
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
We run an entire podcast on exactly this point. 👍
@kurttate9446
@kurttate9446 2 ай бұрын
I’ve always heard what you call the hammer as the frizzen.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Frizzen is a more modern term. We're particularly careful about things like this for obvious reasons.
@spikespa5208
@spikespa5208 2 ай бұрын
And what is referred to as a doghead I've always heard called the cock. Thus 'half cocked'.
@ronvaughan4600
@ronvaughan4600 Ай бұрын
No the frizzen is the vertical item that the hammer/dog head strikes
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
@@ronvaughan4600 Today that part is known as the frizzen. Historically it was called the hammer. Frizzen is a more modern term. At the time, they would have referred to that part of the musket as the hammer. That's why we called it that in the video - believe me, we've done our research on this 👍
@kurttate9446
@kurttate9446 Ай бұрын
@@ronvaughan4600 That is what I was referring to. What you are calling the hammer I think was referred to as the cock. @thenapoleonicwars enlightened me as to the old and new terminology for the frizzen. Perhaps he can tell us what the contemporary term was for the cock/dog, if different. I think the modern term for the hammer probably came about when percussion caps were invented.
@passengerplanetearth
@passengerplanetearth Ай бұрын
Reading Sharpe a long time ago I calculated that a thousand musketeers firing 3 rounds per minute would rain down 50 shots per second on the enemy. Ever heard that buzzing from a neon light fitting? That's 50 cycles per second. Same rate. Imagine the damage that can do, 50 balls per second raining down, they wouldn't even have to aim.
@craigwilliams3630
@craigwilliams3630 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant - nice to see the full firing sequence broken down and explained - great slow motion work as well.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Cheers Craig. Glad you enjoyed it!
@MrTrevorkemp
@MrTrevorkemp Ай бұрын
From what I remember in the TV series, his emphasis was from not being loaded to use that quick Pace and to be able to get off three rounds in a minute. The TV show seemed to abandon this four rounds per minute concept and concentrate on fully loading and discharging three rounds per minute.
@530jazzercise
@530jazzercise 2 ай бұрын
when l see a sharpe clickbait headline, l press play..that's my style sir
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
That's KZbin-watch-manship, Mr Pullings! By God that's KZbin-watch-manship!
@skipsmoyer4574
@skipsmoyer4574 2 ай бұрын
3 is easy, and a few things can go wrong before you get good enough for 4. Excellent video Zack
@loreauvillephil
@loreauvillephil 2 ай бұрын
I've always thought that biting into the paper satchels of gunpowder for a whole battle would have left the the most horrible taste in your mouth by the end of the day.
@toddwhetton1959
@toddwhetton1959 2 ай бұрын
Shouldering the weapon after reloading may have been omitted in combat that would've saved maybe 10 seconds
@Penco40
@Penco40 2 ай бұрын
You shoulder the weapon because you cannot fire until ordered to do it. These men fired volleys.
@martinryan
@martinryan Ай бұрын
Sharpe: "The ability to fire three rounds a minute in any weather, sir"
@CoffeeFiend1
@CoffeeFiend1 Ай бұрын
One thing that people often forget is if the two sides are equal in terms of accuracy and boots if one side can do 3 shots in a minute and the other can do 4 shots in 70 seconds, they're still ahead of things. The volleys are based on uniformity of everyone being the same standard which has pros and cons in of itself.
@oliturner4710
@oliturner4710 2 ай бұрын
This was great. I have no doubt professional soldiers at the time were able to accomplish things that we today would think of as impossible. With dedicated practice incredible feats can be achieved, especially when your life depends upon it. Just look how insanely fast modern gun enthusiasts in the USA can shoot - for anyone who doesn’t regularly do that activity you would genuinely think some of the modern speeds are impossible if you couldn’t see it with your own eyes. Obviously not saying that wellington had an army of John Wicks 😂 but logically the same principle applies to historians and reenactment enthusiasts trying to compete on the same level as professionals. Just as the same logic applies to amateur/professional athletes.
@prolamer7
@prolamer7 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. I guess most soldiers were slow but few elite could fire really fast.
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 2 ай бұрын
They may be fast but do they hit anything?
@sksaddrakk5183
@sksaddrakk5183 2 ай бұрын
@@Ettrick8 Afaik Muskets were not exactly precision weapons. The damage was done by firing volleys into the enemy formation (a fairly large target) at relatively close range. Also, one does not need to kill to reduce the enemy's ability to fight back. In fact 'only' injuring the opposing soldiers is more harmful to morale and the soldier in question is out of the fight regardless. It also is a burden on a strategic level as wounded soldiers need to be collected from the battlefield, be tended to and fed, without pulling their weight in the next fight (if they were able to fight again at all).
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 2 ай бұрын
@@oliturner4710 the Duke of Wellington in 1811 in London organised a test. During this test, the Brown Bess muskets were fired at a wooden shield representing an infantry or cavalry line. The results were as follows: At a distance of 100 yards (91 meters), 53% of the shots hit the target. At 200 yards (180 meters), 30% of the shots hit. At 300 yards (270 meters), 23% of the shots hit. These results highlighted the musket’s effectiveness at shorter ranges, which was typical for smoothbore muskets of that era
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 2 ай бұрын
@@sksaddrakk5183 what was more important was everyone firing volleys simultaneously and leaving Sharpe to skirmish
@chrisruzsa2798
@chrisruzsa2798 Ай бұрын
Impressive even with my modern crossbow I am still doing 1 bolt a minute.
@Ostsol
@Ostsol 2 ай бұрын
I noticed some powder being wasted when tearing open the cartridge. This combined with the imprecision of priming the pan makes me wonder how much the great uncertainty of how much powder actually ends up in the barrel contributes to the inaccuracy of any given rifleman.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic observation. It probably wouldn't have affected accuracy (precision came from the quarter turn of rifling in the Baker rifle - Liam is using a smoothbore musket, which was the more common firearm of the time). But it would certainly have affected range.
@JrrrNikolaus
@JrrrNikolaus Ай бұрын
Sharpe Got off 5 in the book in his demonstration run (having loaded first). Apparently Sir John Moore himself was recorded as having fired 5 rounds a minute impressing his men as a young officer. I suspect 3 was the ideal.
@REmm-rf8fl
@REmm-rf8fl 2 ай бұрын
Sorry can I just say how incredibly vivid your description of the process is! Very cool
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@apedley
@apedley 28 күн бұрын
I think if other shortcuts were taken it could be possible but I wouldn't be certain on reliability. For example, tapping the butt of the musket on the ground instead of using the ramrod (or at the very least just staking it in the ground rather than putting it away after each use. Skipping the shoulder arms stage after the load would shave a couple of seconds off per cycle too.
@jimhitchcock2383
@jimhitchcock2383 Ай бұрын
Black powder leaves a residue in the barrel on each shot.. after several shots (depending on actual bore diameter and quality of the powder) it becomes harder and harder to get the ball down the barrel. Eventually the barrel has to be cleaned. My experience was about 13 shots was the max for a .45 cal rifle with patched ball. With a smaller caliber rifle you should get fewer shots. With the larger military calibers and unpatched balls you should get a few more shots. Most of the 1700s era cartridge boxes had wood blocks with holes for 14-18 cartridges. I've always suspected this was about the max. number of rounds you could get off before powder fouling restricted or stopped your firing.
@fredl4173
@fredl4173 Ай бұрын
It's more than possible to fire four rounds a minute even without the weapon being already loaded. Most reenactors simply don't have the practice to do it. I worked at a Historic Site for many years where we trained people for 2 months of the summer every day on and off to fire the musket and every single member of our staff could do a 15 second load after 2 months of practice. I've seen people who can do it in 10 seconds at least for a single shot and I've seen many people do 4 rounds continuously in a minute. They grab the wood of the stock to avoid the barrel heat and power through round after round. A better knapped flint would also severely reduce his misfires.
@donaldgrant9067
@donaldgrant9067 2 ай бұрын
My father had a flint lock, and it seemed to be 6 foot long to me as a kid. Later on we all bought the kits that made a cap and ball. Even with the cap and ball there was a short hesitation between the pulling of the trigger and it going off. But even those would foul out as where the cap sit would clog up from the residue. But fun times.
@josephwalukonis9934
@josephwalukonis9934 2 ай бұрын
Rapidly of fire wasn't everything. General Wolfe of Quebec fame was more concerned that his troops properly loaded their muskets rather than rapidly of fire. It was also common practice to have the first rank of a three rank line which was kneeling reserve their fire for emergencies while ranks two and three performed the platoon exercise (fired by platoons). I know British infantry in the Napoleon's wars normally formed in two ranks but fire in three ranks was commonly used in the earlier 18th century. There were those who say that Frederick the Great's Prussians could fire five times a minute but this was only on the parade ground using blank cartridges. One other thing to keep in mind is that the balls historically used were smaller in relation to the bore. British troops using the Land Pattern musket with a bore of about .753 were using balls of about .685. This is based on the archeological report at Fort Necessity in Pennsylvania
@daleboyd8531
@daleboyd8531 Ай бұрын
Brilliant to see a modern service man show the way thanks lads great show
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 28 күн бұрын
Appreciate the positivity - more like this coming soon!
@grizwoldphantasia5005
@grizwoldphantasia5005 2 ай бұрын
I was surprised how little of a kick there is when firing black powder rifles. It's more of a push then a kick. I have introduced a few people to black powder, and they all say the same thing: "58 / 69 caliber? That thing's gotta kick like a mule!" Then they try it. "It doesn't kick!" and the smile is wonderful and they can't wait to do it again.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Out of interest though, are you firing with or without the ball loaded? Our conversations with those who have done both indicates that the musket has quite a kick to it with the lead bullet loaded?
@grizwoldphantasia5005
@grizwoldphantasia5005 2 ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars I don't think I've ever intentionally fired without a loaded bullet. Maybe it seems so unkicky because I was used to WW II battle rifles. I once walked around an unofficial shooting field with a Mosin Nagant carbine, the one with the folding bayonet, plinking at every leftover can and shutgun shell. About half an hour, maybe 50-60 shots. The wooden furniture got so hot I had to hold it by the sling only, but it never felt like it kicked too hard. On the other hand, I hate shooting .357 magnum, but .38+P+ is fine. My favorite black powder long arms are a smooth bore .69 1842 Springfield replica and a rifled .58 1861 Springfield replica, and they are so heavy, that helps tame them too.
@sunrayuk
@sunrayuk 2 ай бұрын
Instead of bringing the musket up to the left shoulder after loading. What if you imminently made ready and fired.. that would save a few seconds each time.
@paulbennett4415
@paulbennett4415 2 ай бұрын
I really liked the use of the brush to clean the priming pan and the picker to clear any burnt powder in the touchhole. The small chains (sometimes leather thongs) were, I believe, attached to a button in the centre of the tunic. 🇬🇧👍
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely right! Liam is very careful to make sure that his kit is precisely accurate with the regulations of the period, and even has different kit arrangements depending on which regulations were in force during different points in the war - he's a seasoned pro with this stuff - its why we love working with him!
@ThePerfectRed
@ThePerfectRed 2 ай бұрын
Keeping the ramrod permanently out and sticking it into your belt instead of returning it to the gun would help, but of course would have been against regulations. A concerted volley would have been impossible anyway if every soldier works at his limits. Wait until 80% have loaded, then fire the volley. Those who lag behind will join the next volley.
@nathand6467
@nathand6467 Ай бұрын
Or if not in line and required to move you can keep the rammer hooked between your fingers, or propped up against something. As Srgt Harper does in the first episode, your last shot you can always send the rammer too.
@markus000karkus
@markus000karkus 2 ай бұрын
Have shot 4 in a minute with a Brown Bess. Started loaded and tap loaded in Light Infantry style at a show in Dumbarton
@michaelwright4456
@michaelwright4456 2 ай бұрын
do it with a ram rod or your fooling your self. Use the correct technique and its not hard.
@markus000karkus
@markus000karkus 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelwright4456Not at all. A 71st HLI private shot 5 in a minute using tap loading in the Penninsula. But that was in action, using live ammo, not pretending or fooling yourself at reenactment!
@michaelwright4456
@michaelwright4456 2 ай бұрын
@@markus000karkus Yes you can tap load for about 10 shots then your muzzle becomes to fouled to shoot Ramming the cartridge paper down partly cleans the barrel with each shot. if you are firing live rounds expect less than 10 round before its too fouled to get a ball down ...From the voice of much experience live and blank firing.
@markus000karkus
@markus000karkus Ай бұрын
@@michaelwright4456 not so in my experience and as I say, in a real battle, 10 shots could be the difference between surviving or dying!
@anthonyp4209
@anthonyp4209 Ай бұрын
No idea how the heck I ended up here, but that was great. Sharpe is one of my favourite shows and its great to see that this is actually possible.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Cheers Anthony, glad you enjoyed the video!
@admthrawnuru
@admthrawnuru Ай бұрын
I saw a guy manage 5 once (cheated a couple of seconds I think, and yes the first was preloaded), but he was shooting blanks and cutting corners. Notably, he kept the ramrod in his hand the whole time, and pointed out that if he were in a dense line he'd be whipping the poor dude next to him. He said he did something to his cartages, too (perforated the tear maybe?), and had some comments on how infeasible that would have been that I don't recall. I think it would have been unsafe or much harder with a ball. Still fun for a demo, though.
@stevecastro1325
@stevecastro1325 Ай бұрын
It makes perfect sense that the rifle would be loaded as the timer starts. The soldiers would load as they near the Battlefield, in case of ambush or sudden call to action
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Really good point, actually. Thanks for sharing Steve 👍
@JM-db8ez
@JM-db8ez Ай бұрын
Everything seems easy when you're not afraid of your life ending at any moment.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Fully agree on this.
@StevePorter_au
@StevePorter_au Ай бұрын
I can't help thinking a lot of time would have been saved by not shouldering arms after every reload.
@HagbardCeline23
@HagbardCeline23 Ай бұрын
The 95th Rifles used the Baker rifle, which had better range but was slower to reload than a standard musket rifle due to the need to wrap the ball in greased linen. That limited them to 2 shots a minute.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Indeed. Although the scene in question where the idea springs from involves Sharpe training a light company equipped with muskets rather than rifles. 👍
@bryantimmins339
@bryantimmins339 26 күн бұрын
I’ve done this once with a pedersoli ( brand new in the white) using priming powder and spit wads . One once balls 4 fired in 1 minute 3vseconds. The next time the flint failed after 2 shots. It worked lose. I don’t think it’s impossible just hard to keep up for more than a few dozen shots. Powder fouling and flint quality. Maybe the guys knew how to work their muskets better than we do
@Aodyri
@Aodyri Ай бұрын
Liam also takes the ridiculous measure, part of reenactment, of standing to attention before volleys. Adds 2-4 seconds each shot. Guess what you are not doing when a french cavalrymen is charging you?
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
If a cavalryman is charging you and you're in square you're firing on command, not at will. So standing with arms shouldered is the sign that you are ready to present. You would therefore absolutely be standing to attention as per the drill. If you're in line, you're either running or forming square. So Liam's method absolutely stands. Its not a 'ridiculous measure', its doing things according to the drill manual, which is how the men were trained.
@Aodyri
@Aodyri Ай бұрын
@thenapoleonicwars ... I don't even know where to start. When the battle starts you are at stance. When the first command to fire is given, with enemies still approaching, NO, you would not return to attention. You would probably be flogged or sent to latrine duty for being the dumbest sort, if you lived. You are going to keep firing until given the order to cease, unless firing in ranks.
@Boydenp
@Boydenp 2 ай бұрын
Very correct explaining on firing a napoleonic musket. I am a reeanctor myself and my record is 0.58 starting with empty musket. So yeah, 4 shots is only possible with the musket already loaded.
@userb3nje909
@userb3nje909 Ай бұрын
God damn he looks Sharpe AF!!
@robertslusser6753
@robertslusser6753 Ай бұрын
I'm 74 years old now and in my younger years I hunted with and shot for competition a .50 cal. flintlock. After one particular match in hot, humid weather I had two epiphanies. One epiphany was that there was a reason that our forefathers developed smokeless powder and the other was you don't have to take your compound bow apart and clean it everytime that you shoot it. Mada my life so much easier.
@WolfKnight-y3v
@WolfKnight-y3v 2 ай бұрын
I just found your channel so I subscribed I would like to thank Liam for his service and you for the channel. Keep up the good work 👍🐺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Cheers Wolf. Appreciate the positivity.
@RooZvonBooZ
@RooZvonBooZ Ай бұрын
Nice video, also brilliant soldiering from both of ya 😂 Subbed!
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Cheer bud - appreciate the positivity! 👍
@HistoricalWeapons
@HistoricalWeapons 2 ай бұрын
And this is why archers continued to be used in China along with guns, 20 arrows a minute is not joke to underestimate
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Genuine curiosity here: what's the effective range of a bow and arrow? (ie you'll hit something with lethal force, not just hitting what you aim at)
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 22 күн бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars Depends on the type of bow. Longbows actually had a better effective range than muskets against unarmoured targets (rifles can match them, though the longbow still fires faster). Of course you could train a musketman to the point of being useful in a month or so, while a longbowman was something like 15 years (rough guess, assuming the guy started training with lesser bows in his early teens or younger), minimum.
@Lasingna1
@Lasingna1 5 күн бұрын
I've read accounts of how Americans in the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 often suffered from a shortage of flint, and the flint they had only lasted 20 - 40 shots.
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 Ай бұрын
Ive never seen Sharpe, but its definitely on my list of shows to watch. That being said, ive never ever heard of "4 shots a minute" with a muzzle loading musket. The saying ive always heard is: "A good infantryman should be to fire 3 shots per minute."
@KravKernow
@KravKernow 2 ай бұрын
Spending all day in a field to make a wonderfully informative and entertaining video, now that's soldiering.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
👏👏👏We like what you did there!
@anthonyat2401
@anthonyat2401 Ай бұрын
Fed up of reading about unrealistic rates of fire. In a battle, I imagine that even two a minute would be unlikely.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 28 күн бұрын
Rate of fire is going to depend on so many things - fouling, flints, nerves, training, officers, etc
@cammobunker
@cammobunker Ай бұрын
I can tell you that loading and firing blank cartridges (without a lead ball) is completely different than live ammunition. Blank charges have much less pressure at the breech and allow the touch hole to foul more readily and really crud up the bottom of the flint. Firing live rounds from a 'Bess leaves things much cleaner, for relative values of "clean", anyway. Also after half a dozen full charge live rounds from a Brown Bess your shoulder can really tell. That .75 bullet and the powder you push up the barrel under it (as ignition comes from the back) really translates to a wallop to the buttstock and the Brown Bess butt plate is no picnic being slightly domed out in the center and of solid brass.
@howardjolley2215
@howardjolley2215 2 ай бұрын
Yes, shooting in the Sharpe series was in a perfect TV/movie world. Can 4 rounds per minute be done, yes, if everything goes perfectly. Did it always go perfectly, no. But that doesn't mean it didn't all work almost perfectly most of the time. The men of Wellington's army had one thing over their enemies. The practiced and practiced and practiced. Mr. Telfer, I'm guessing, hasn't fired hundreds of rounds with a musket and needed to clear a musket with his life at risk if he doesn't. (I am not disparaging his military service, just putting into perspective.)
@LonesomeDove-dn8dk
@LonesomeDove-dn8dk 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, what reenactors don't seem to realize is that a professional soldier would have fired hundreds or thousands of bullets in practice. A reenactor might fire a couple dozen a year. The level of experience makes a huge difference so could a Napoleonic era British regular do four a minute normally? Probably. Did they? No. Their doctrine was to fire sustained three rounds a minute, at which point after around 12 minutes the musket would be too hot to use which was nice since they would also have fired off most of the readily accessible bullets they carried on their person. A fictional story isn't a good reference source while the actual manuals they used at the time are wonderful.
@russby3554
@russby3554 Ай бұрын
You're definitely not disparaging his service. Last I checked, the Brown Bess isn't the main weapon of the British anymore. Give him the weapon he used in the service vs a normal chap and see who works it better!
@GravesRWFiA
@GravesRWFiA Ай бұрын
i've been a re-enactor for 30 years and have three comments.- the smoke from the musket itself can form a coating on the pan meaning you can't get a spark, he did all those practice shots and that didn't help, it also clogs the touch hole. If i was seeing this while walking behind the firing line I'd be saying "Wipe them down!"and "Check your touch holes!" A flash in the pan is when it does go off in the pan but doesn't connect through the touch hole to set off the gun, see comment above "Clean 'em out!" Lastly you do NOT rest your musket but on the ground. You hold it just above it, among other things you put it down on mud and then hold it firmly to your shoulder you will discolour your regimental. I catch any on my men with it on the ground after a warning of "get it off the ground" and the next time it will be more personal "Are you so infirm you can't hold a musket in one arm? This is the british army, are you trying to be like the french?"
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Liam's manoeuvres are literally done according to the drill manual that they used to train guys at the time.
@rogernull6151
@rogernull6151 Ай бұрын
I'm a big Cornwell fan, but I wondered at the 4-per-minute claim. I really had a hard time believing in spitting the ball down the barrel. 1. It might not make it all the way to the bottom and thus, cause a rupture in the barrel. 2. There would also be no wadding between the powder and ball, resulting in some loss of power and accuracy. I had also heard that the French would average @ 2 shots per minute while the Brits were doing closer to 3. I own a replica Hawken rifle with a cap/nipple instead of a flint lock. It can be a pain to remove sometimes. But thanks to your in depth explanation, I now see why it's more dependable than flint.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Glad you found the video enjoyable and useful 👍
@TheSamwisdom
@TheSamwisdom Ай бұрын
I always thought it was silly that they properly replaced the ramrod each time into that small slot. It would be much quicker so simply hold it alongside the length of the musket after each ram.
@Wimbold
@Wimbold 28 күн бұрын
Marshal Maurice de Saxe wrote: "Light infantry should be able to fire 6 shots a minute, but under the stress of battle 4 should be allowed for." It's difficult to see how this could be accomplished, but there are period claims to that effect.
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 22 күн бұрын
Light infantry who aren't formed up in line for company or battalion scale vollies can take a lot of shortcuts with the drill and have it matter due to not needing to coordinate on such a large scale. And supposedly particularly well trained line units could manage 4 a minute under decent conditions (presumably by way of their officers incorporating some of the more suitable shortcuts into the entire battalion's drill... or just having done the drill that many times.)
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 2 ай бұрын
The quality of the lock is vital to good performance on a flintlock, as is a good quality of flint. Both English and French flints are usually excellent if properly knapped. I doubt that the locks of infantry were 'tuned' to the degree that they can be with a bit of work, or as well made as they can be, so the performance vis a vis good reliable ignition would have been at best variable. Placement of the touch hole relative to the pan is critical, and helps when the pan is over primed (much more common than the reverse) which fouls up the flint and frizzen; I would posit that vents were pretty large on military muskets to help avoid blockages. Another factor was the very variable quality of the powder available. I have no experience with smooth bores, having only owned flintlock rifles, which are slower to load... 2 rounds a minute (starting empty) is doing well, but then effective range is doubled... roundabouts and swings.... Love my flinter..... it is surprisingly accurate and can launch a .490" ball at around 2000 fps with a full charge, although for most purposes I run it at about 60%....
@Starfleet8555
@Starfleet8555 2 ай бұрын
Another factor that would probably affect rate of fire, is combat conditions with increased stress levels the soldier would face.
@elxaime
@elxaime Ай бұрын
Count Alexander Suvorov's approach ("The bullet's a fool, the bayonet's a fine lad") makes more sense when you consider these low rates of fire. He wrote in "Train Hard, Fight Easy" about the emphasis on training, accurate fire, and speed. Although they never met in battle, Suvorov is considered by many historians to have been Napoleon's peer as a military leader and perhaps better than Napoleon in terms of logistics.
@kennethdacey8604
@kennethdacey8604 2 ай бұрын
am curious, is he also shooting ball as well or just blanks, i have done 4 live rounds a minute tap loading with my 1766 Charliville during a compitition stake shoot.
@stuartjarman4930
@stuartjarman4930 2 ай бұрын
Incredibly unsafe and foolish as it can cause a burst barrel. As a qualified NRA Range Officer I would not allow it.
@mikegrossberg8624
@mikegrossberg8624 2 ай бұрын
As you can see the musket recoiling, the rounds fired were live
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Hi there, producer here - I can confirm that these were blank rounds. For one thing this was shot in the UK where the laws on ammunition and gun control are very strict. This was not shot at a range where live ammunition might have been feasible. As others have said, there are major dangers associated with using live ammunition in reproduction muskets - they generally aren’t treated to withstand the increased pressures. And finally there is absolutely no way I’d expose my team to the associated risks of live firing. You’re right, there is a small recoil, but that’s just the reality of using black powder. The recoil would be much worse with live ammunition. Hope that helps. 👍
@davidpowell5437
@davidpowell5437 2 ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars I've used our club repro 'Bess with round ball and the recoil wasn't actually that bad - more of a surge than a shoulder breaker. I couldn't swear to using an historical full charge, but with my own .50 BP carbine the main effect of doubling the charge was an increase in the number of complaints about air pollution... 😁
@knightwolf5006
@knightwolf5006 Ай бұрын
it would be faster to keep the ramrod out, and go straight from loading to firing instead of doing the shoulder rest in between
@markcrites7060
@markcrites7060 2 ай бұрын
It seems like the shoulder arms step is superfluous in an actual combat situation. Seems like it takes at least a couple of seconds during each firing sequence that could be eliminated.
@AvtarSinghHistory
@AvtarSinghHistory Ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, would anyone know, how many shots could be made/produced from 1 barrel of gunpowder?
@ataxpayer723
@ataxpayer723 Ай бұрын
How big is the barrel?
@tinkiekat
@tinkiekat Ай бұрын
In the Shape books, Richard tells the story of going out and practicing for hours as a raw recruit, after his first experience in battle show him how bad he was. In the “Yankee Pasha” book and movie a big deal is made of firing a rifle two times a minute in a real fire fight, which was considered impossible on the Barbary Coast.
@ducomaritiem7160
@ducomaritiem7160 2 ай бұрын
It seems to me (former Napoleonic reenactor, 14th cuirasier) that it might be the hardness of the frizzen ( the part that's hit by the flint) can be the issue. My former flintlock pistol never misfired... the sparks come from the steel fragments and ignited by the flint... too soft steel makes no sparks.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
You'll see that Liam has comment on this on another commenter's query, but his hammer (frizzen - we just use the period-appropriate word) has been through the necessary treatment to ensure it was hard enough. He's since managed to get the musket into a better place, but as we say in the voice over, we had issues with both muskets.
@EssensOrAccidens
@EssensOrAccidens Ай бұрын
Fun stuff. I enjoy Sharpe, Hornblower, etc. This is an entertaining video. However, in any human endeavour, dedicated, consistent, focused practice, with skilled and attentive coaching, is capable of producing results that seem incredible (truly not-believable) to others. Re-enactment without the same depths of commitment, repetition, stakes, etc. cannot be an adequate indicator of what is possible. Just watching the enactment a viewer can clearly see unskilled, inefficient, awkward, wasted or even counterproductive, movements at nearly every point. No snark intended! I have never fired a weapon like that, or worn those garments, etc. The reenactor would easily outperform me by a huge margin. And a skilled British infantry veteran of actual Napoleonic warfare would outperform the reenactor. Myth remains plausible.
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 2 ай бұрын
Note: The British army could do this as they were the only European army that actually practiced regularly with hugely expensive LIVE AMMUNITION!
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565 Ай бұрын
So I am curious. I grew up learning a musket was smoothbore and a weapon with rifling was a rifle. And when I read Sharpe's rifles years ago I thought he was in the 95th Rifles regiment. So please explain to me how a discussion about how muskets firing rates addresses the topic at hand? Or what am I missing.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
No worries, so I suspect you have not read Sharpe's Eagle, where Sharpe is promoted to Captain and attached to a regiment of redcoats. He is tasked with bringing the redcoats up to scratch, and as they are all equipped with muskets, instead of the Baker Rifle, he has to get them firing faster, and demonstrates that he can fire four rounds of musketry in a minute. 👍
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565
@unexpectedparolemadwerewol6565 Ай бұрын
@@thenapoleonicwars That must be the case. Thanks for the clarification.
@IncognitoAtreides
@IncognitoAtreides Ай бұрын
Very well done! Beautiful kit as well..
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@dragonade85
@dragonade85 2 ай бұрын
Frederick the Great's Prussians were allegedly trained to fire up to 6 rounds a minute, but it is highly unlikely they could do so in anything except ideal parade ground conditions.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think that's one of the big challenges with the whole exercise - you can't recreate what it was like to be in a battle with all the stresses and carnage.
@robertthegrape2192
@robertthegrape2192 Ай бұрын
What happens if you get a misfire, and in the heat of battle you load another round on top of the one already loaded? Would they both go off simultaneously, would the barrel explode or what?
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Great question. Firstly, you'd know it had misfired, so you would be unlikely to make this mistake, and there was a tool that you could attach to the end of the ramrod to effectively drill the bullet out, and then you could tip the powder out. If you did double load, a lot would depend on why you misfired. If the flint had gone, then it would be unlikely to fire on a second attempt, but if it was a lack of priming, then a double charge had the power to potentially explode the barrel.
@blackukulele
@blackukulele 2 ай бұрын
I think the misfires might have been managed by having more than one soldier firing at a time. Those guys seemed to fire in lines.
@pulcherius
@pulcherius Ай бұрын
I am a War of 1812 (US vs Britain in North America) reenactor of some 12 years experience. Some observations, your flint appears to have no sheath. Flints are usually held in the jaws of the dog by a leather or lead wrap. I secures the flit tighter and helps to prevent shattering. Also here in NA we don't ram our paper as it can start fires on the field in dry weather. This slows us down a bit but as we have to pour the charge down the barrel. We also don't ram as a safety measure (a ram rod launched can kill). In the balance I think the timing evens out. I can regularly get 3, 4 or some times even 5 rounds off per minute. One other thing, you referred to the hammer when you meant the frizzen/pan cover.
@allenhilburn8686
@allenhilburn8686 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I did reenactment for the US National Park Service for a few years, firing muskets almost every day, and I have been able to fire 4 shots in a minute, but only a few times and everything has to go perfectly as you showed. 3 shots per minute is a more realistic rate of fire, and, of course, this is not in an actual battle. If it's a fire at will situation, your well trained and battle experienced troops could probably maintain 3 shots per minute, but in a fire on command situation you are at the mercy of your slowest individual. Again, excellent video.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Cheers, Allen! Really appreciate the kind words and you sharing your experiences.
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 ай бұрын
> I would suppose that a trained soldier would have practiced the loading and firing operations hundred ----perhaps thousands of times. You note that your daily practice made a significant difference. Such practice is just what armies do to become competent.
@angrydoggy9170
@angrydoggy9170 2 ай бұрын
I can imagine it being a bit of a challenge with bullets and cannonballs flying around.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
We think so too. In fact the only way we could put Liam under any kind of stress, was to time how long it took him, but that obviously isn't close to what these guys would have been experiencing in combat.
@angrydoggy9170
@angrydoggy9170 2 ай бұрын
@ I experienced first hand how you can struggle with simple tasks when under fire. Looking at how infantry had to fight in those days, the importance of drilling until every single movement became automatic sounds really important if not the core value of a regiment. I can see stressed out undertrained conscripts forgetting to remove the ramrod, forgetting the prime, that’s not mentioning the stress you must feel after a misfire having to clean the pan. And all the while people are getting hit left and right, perhaps some heavy cavalry is coming your way. In my opinion Napoleon eventually lost because he ran out of decently trained troops. Apart from getting overconfident and messing up the diplomatic situation.
@GWNorth-db8vn
@GWNorth-db8vn 2 ай бұрын
Seems like a bad idea to put your mouth directly over the muzzle of a loaded and primed firearm, especially considering that there are sparks and burning powder flying around from everyone else in the line.
@bakeredwards
@bakeredwards Ай бұрын
I seem to remember they didn't use the ram rod always but tapped the stock on the hard ground.
@Sakyosha
@Sakyosha Ай бұрын
If I recall, "a good soldier can fire off 3 rounds a minute"
@michroz
@michroz 27 күн бұрын
On the firing itself: one big delay is to extract/reverse/restore the pushrod. If you keep it in your left hand somehow holding by the index finger all the shooting time - this could help. Another delay is to put the musket on your shoulder after loading. If you start aiming right after loading - this could save another couple of seconds. IMHO.
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 22 күн бұрын
As an individual, yes. As part of a close parked linier formation? no.
@M1keWrites
@M1keWrites Ай бұрын
Skirmishers might load and fire without a bayonet, but the line regiments would almost certainly have bayonets already fixed
@jongibbs8112
@jongibbs8112 2 ай бұрын
I was quite confused by your flintlock terminology - What happened to the frizzen?
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars 2 ай бұрын
Its a common point of confusion that people have raised, but actually frizzen is a more modern term - at the time people used the term 'hammer' for what we would today describe as 'the frizzen' 👍
@Beniboi-y7u
@Beniboi-y7u Ай бұрын
Three rounds a minute was considered standard if I remember correctly. What Sharpe is doing is relying on a technique where you don't actually ram the bullet down the barrel, but tap the butt on the ground and hope to God that the bullet goes down. By the time you've fired a number of rounds, the fouling would be so bad as to prevent the bullet from descending the barrel with a simple tap of the rifle butt. This could lead to bad things happening, but would certainly reduce the velocity of the ball significantly. I don't think it was a technique that was used regularly in the British Army, and certainly was rarely if ever used with a dirty barrel. Black powder fouling is pretty massive, and after you've fired 20 rounds also even if you're ramming, it's difficult to get the bullet to seat and eventually it becomes too hard - barrel then needs cleaning before you resume firing. I know this because I have shot black powder firearms a fair bit, and came across the problem myself.
@thenapoleonicwars
@thenapoleonicwars Ай бұрын
Yup agreed. Our aim was to show that you don't need to cut corners like Sharpe does in order to achieve the same effect. We didn't have fouling issues while shooting this, but then we used two muskets.
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