Jordan Peterson | Full Episode 8.3.18 | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover | PBS

[@PoxikFrostbite]

This is how PBS is supposed to be. This is journalism, not activism.

[@SB-mr2nk]

refreshing to see them asking real questions while not trying to start a fight over it. This is amazing, have I been transported back in time?

[@hawkarae]

Right?!!

[@desnock]

And which it has always been, it's almost like you believe the political marketing of a specific political party that thought it could stereotype PBS because it isn't promoting religious messaging. It's foolish suggesting that PBS has been activist. Or is that just a confusion of political perspectives?

[@PoxikFrostbite]

@@desnock Maybe you should listen to PBS and NPR some time and get back to me. Listen to it for 30 days and do an analysis of how much of the content is political in nature, and how much editorializing there is about the subjects by the "journalist."

[@desnock]

@@PoxikFrostbite Maybe you should? The idea if you're not OAN or Newsmax or Fox means you're political (and of the "opposite" persuasion) is a confirmation bias of YOURS. PBS and NPR both have folks that are apolitical on, as this very story (but also historically) proves out. Punditry is certainly more popular than ever in every facet of life, especially in social media, as practiced by YOU and I in this very moment. I certainly would agree that not all punditry is the same - some is far more researched and objective. I'd suggest PBS certainly (maybe to a lesser extent NPR, but not that far off) is as apolitical as they come. That's the reason they refused becoming a commercial broadcasting station, though the pressure of the market and political rancor by those who see politics in everything, as it seems you do, has them needing to reassess to survive...

[@ianbenjiman]

It isn't rare for Peterson to have a good interview, it is rare for him to have a good interviewER. Margaret was great.

[@tocarules]

Margaret Hoover is my screen saver @52 second mark. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioDYXmWjqtGApck

[@rutvin8763]

Not challenging the utter stupidity of his views = good interviewer. Got it.

[@tocarules]

@@rutvin8763 So what your saying is being a moderate liberal?

[@ianbenjiman]

@@rutvin8763 there was plenty of challenging, that's what made it a good interview. Did you watch it?

[@dustin802]

So what you're saying is Women can't do what men can do and be paid the same because of toxic masculinity? Lol that interviewer there..

[@jayallen81]

Margaret did an amazing job. She challenged him in some parts, but only to flesh out his thoughts. Never out of disrespect or because of some ideology. This was enjoyable to watch.

[@Joe_Gunn]

she is always like that a great journalist

[@rickt5413]

You nailed it, such a refreshing interview.

[@MrMustangMan]

...and she is easy on the eyes. ❤

[@mfet56]

Not surprised, especially being the great granddaughter of a president! 💪🏼

[@LeninovaPles]

This host is the opposite of Kathy Newman. This lady actually listens to his words and seeks the precise meanings. What a sight for sore eyes. Thank you.

[@SCtopogigio]

So you're saying she was good? 🤣 I agree, great host.

[@fabioj5896]

So you're saying a non-profit public broadcasting company is capable of good work?

[@alonsomendoza424]

Or, what a sound for deaf ears

[@zippyzipster46]

@@fabioj5896 she learned from other failures. But to ask him about his faith. That crossed a line. Too bad you can’t see that. How about Biden and abortion and Catholicism? Never asked. Pathetic. It was a sin to ask a democrat. But no one of logic.

[@carltonreese4854]

Newman is a leftist who went in to her interview as opposition. Hoover is not a leftist.

[@johncooper1747]

Beautiful to see an interviewer who has done her homework and actually listens to her guest and good to see Jordan Peterson in vintage, eloquent form

[@AM-fw6jl]

PBS often does very good with this sort of thing.

[@itWouldBeWise]

PBS is one of the few channels that has journalistic integrity.

[@desnock]

Hoover is ok, but she let him off the hook in many ways because of her own confirmation biases that wanted to "claim" him as a conservative, which he certainly resisted. Not much that I respect Peterson for, but not aligning himself formally with whatever "conservative" is these days was smart. That being said, he absolutely engages in identity politics and did so throughout this interview. Not sure how the anti-identity politics crowd misses that they engage in the very thing they are critical of?

[@mr1skali]

@@desnock How did he engage in identity politics? I'm genuinely curious if i'm not seeing something.. I have mixed feelings about Peterson, if anything he is dangerous in a way

[@desnock]

@@mr1skali Sure - he engages in identity politics and tribalism by conflating many different groups he opposes into one giant "us" vs "them" (though I'm not sure who he considers the "us" in that concept if not the far right who are fans of his). So he makes various claims about the left, the leftist, the radical left, the post modernist, the marxist, and so on - these are all tribal 'identifiers", that is, they describe in a very general way a group of people he suggests conform to some nefarious other. However, there are issues with this - primarily that none of those groups are synonymous with each other. That is not to say each group doesn't exist, they certainly do as there are various forms of any political leaning. But he goes further than glomming them into a single group that he suggests needs to be feared, but does so in a way that is QUITE similar to groups like the Germans in WWII did - that is, they pointed to Jews, Catholics, Unions, foreigners, etc as being the group responsible why the mostly uneducated German was suffering, NOT looking at the very bigotries groups like the Nazis represented. So there is a contemporary danger of those concepts being reintroduced as if they have some veracity - they simply don't and whether it's Peterson, who has to jump through a lot of hoops to translate Jung and Nietzsche into his point of view, or Trump who may just be an expression of where Peterson's perspective ends up, it's worth challenging strongly - not only to prevent susceptible groups LIKE in Germany or Japan (or at other times in our own US history) from being deceived, but to protect those groups who mostly suffer from the kinds of ignorance that Peterson proposes by his misapplication and confusion on these topics. Again, I am willing to stipulate that his personal problems with alcohol and drugs may in fact confuse his professional perspectives, obviously his research into addiction post his alcohol problems didn't serve him well in contemporary terms as he almost died from another addiction his professional capacity should have warned him from falling prey to. Thus why I have a tremendous problem with people not aligning the facts of Peterson's philosophy and life with this sort of morbid hero worship of him.

[@markf1840]

This is one of the best Peterson interviews I've seen. Thoughtful intelligent questions and space given for thoughtful nuanced responses. Buckley would have been proud

[@silverado0938]

What an interview. She challenged him but also didn’t attack or disrespect him. Thank you

[@InsertCleverNameHere1]

I'm glad we didn't get another, "So what you're saying is...."

[@bingosantamonica]

Agree, with the exception of the introduction.

[@emiromiranda1214]

@@InsertCleverNameHere1 oh gosh. Exactly. Like that insufferable british woman who interviewed Peterson and was trying sooo hard to back him into a corner, but only looked like a fool in the process..

[@kpudzekakewir1360]

That is very true. I have been looking for this comment.

[@desnock]

@@emiromiranda1214 She was hardly backed into a corner, that interviewer was masterful in letting Peterson show his true colors in that he couldn't coherently explain his position to one that didn't conform to his biases. It's fascinating to see that people mistake an emotionally unhinged Peterson (likely in the throes of his current issues with addiction) as a sign of intellectual merit. It goes to the lack of intellectual and/or rational strength of those who confuse emotionality with strength of position.

[@timdurbin]

"I believe that what people believe is what they act out." - This is perfect.

[@johnkaimins9998]

Yes. Absolutely.

[@Rabbitburnx]

Without opposition..... otherwise you are just a hypocrite of hypocrites.

[@Rabbitburnx]

@Michael Collier It's almost impossible to be a Christian in an atmosphere of fraudsters, the hypocritical examples of God hating false Christians is a poison to the soul in all it's expressions. You can't be Holy if you remain a sinner.

[@verigone2677]

Perhaps the entire world you construct in your mind keeps trying to head back in the direction of Tribalism because it makes you feel safe...then we figure out that tribalism is the one thing keeping us from making the next full evolutionary step in our cognitive capacity. Perhaps the whole concept of God as you think of it is utterly wrong. Perhaps we are all immortal in a sense because our specific DNA and our actions on this planet will resonate and ripple on forever. Those who are corrupt or willfully wicked have figured this out...group a attempt to seize power thinking they can do it better and group b feel oppressed by power and respond violently against both systems and other tribal groups. Those who are righteous will do their best to have as large of an impact on the world and the memories they leave behind contain as little darkness as manageable. I could go on forever, and this is just some ramblings from an atheist (not and anti-theist) who thinks we have just as much to discover about our past as we do our present and what you believe is yours, I hope it helps you find the answers you seek but don't forget to also look for those answers on your own as well.

[@MrJamberee]

Indeed. Isn’t that really the truth of human life? Yet, from infancy, we pretend that what we think or are taught to think is what we believe. We cloak our souls in deceit.

[@Bavubuka]

"If you make yourself weak by engaging in deceit, if you fail to take responsibility, then you transform yourself into something that cannot bare to endure the structure of existence" Powerful.

[@jordanabu1]

I've watched every Jordan Peterson interview on KZbin that I could find...and this woman stands out as one of the best. Well done, Margaret.

[@MrJgremmen]

He did an interview for a radio station in the netherlands. It was very in depth as well. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2fUc6uklM15erM

[@janglingjack]

Might want to introduced some variety into your life.

[@henrynoel4223]

I must confess, she actually interviewed him, rather than antagonizing him.

[@desnock]

@@henrynoel4223 He is easily triggered, that's for sure. For someone who purports to know his stuff, he's a very angry and antagonistic personality himself. A contrarian - which is ok, but to ignore that he himself antagonizes? Hell, most of his uneducated right wing fans key in on JUST THAT in terms of what they take away from his rhetoric - that there is something to be said for antagonism on its own. Rational critique is one thing, but hardly the conversation with Peterson fans with anyone outside of that cult.

[@meeetwaad]

@@desnock I agree with the perception that he is somewhat easily triggered, but to label his personality as mainly angry and antagonistic, that doesn't sit right with me. In my estimation, he comes off more-so as assertive due to his claim to "know his stuff," and he does so with conviction, which is NOT the same as anger. For the antagonistic part, he definitely does antagonize some people, which could be for a plethora of reasons from lack of education to pathological thinking (in the sense that the thinking is "extreme in a way that is not normal," and I only point that out due to my own confusion about the term,) or simply because they reasonably disagree with some of his stances on certain topics. But going off what he's said in other interviews, antagonizing people is not his focus by any stretch but is more or less a consequence of the current times and the popularity of the ideas he opposes. The question is should he be taking responsibility for how those people interpret what he says, despite how self-apparently true their take on what he has to say is? I honestly have no clue, as I myself feel I'm not educated enough to delve into that, and as I type that I feel like it's somewhat of a cop-out answer because I can become more educated, but ay. But, I thought it might be useful to someone (maybe you) to give my perception of how he speaks at the very least because he genuinely doesn't seem to me, for the most part, angry or antagonistic, although he definitely does come off like that some of the time. The exact, or even, the general ratio between the two (antagonistic/angry and assertive/confident) I couldn't say as I haven't watched all that I can of him, (and I mean that as I have watched a lot of him,) nor do I want to as I'm stupid and it hurts my brain if I watch too much of this kind of content.

[@TheGuitologist]

Margaret, thank you for having the guts to give someone like Jordan Peterson a platform to express his opinions and share his area of expertise. I found this to be a frank, open, fair, and interesting discussion between adults. This is something not even NPR or PBS seem capable of hosting these days. What a breath of fresh air! I can see you eventually running up against the editors in your organization, who will surely hate this type of discussion as much as Google and KZbin seem to.

[@dotthompson5789]

This IS PBS, what did you think you were watching?

[@leojanuszewski1019]

@@dotthompson5789 It sure didn't SEEM like PBS.

[@VooDooMaGicMan81]

Lol 'someone like Peterson' - the man is a certified liberal, thus part of the status quo.

[@desnock]

@@leojanuszewski1019 You do realize that the show has been on PBS for years, and had Buckley (a noted conservative intellectual) hosting it? I think what you're saying is it didn't comply with your bias, and so the natural question is - is your bias the problem because you conflate anything that doesn't comport with your POV a nefarious "other"? I suggest people stop just presuming that media is what people "say it is" and make a determination on their own. IF you have made a substantive determination - why do you say it doesn't SEEM like PBS? Be careful, if you say "it's liberal", the natural question will be "why do you say that" and I'll want evidence to support your opinion, not merely your opinion.

[@desnock]

@@VooDooMaGicMan81 Actually, he's not a certified liberal, he is popular with the alt-right and uses terms like "leftists" to be equal to "post modernist" and/or "Marxist", all of which are different things he conflates incoherently. It undermines any validity to any of his points, to be honest, as does his current struggle with addiction that almost killed him recently.

[@jasoncollin9949]

Hoover is a beacon of enlightenment on PBS, articulate and well researched questions that promote critical thinking. Balanced, thoughtful, and respectful. Absolutely should be anchoring News Hour!

[@artiefount]

If she tried to import any balance to the news hour she'd never last there

[@ragerontilt4778]

Wow she actually lets him talk. I didn’t hear her say “so what you’re saying is...” once!

[@toddmerriss]

She is the best.A great journalist.

[@ImAManMann]

So what you're saying is she is racist...

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@ImAManMann No what I'm saying is that homosexuality is gay and anyone who disagrees is a racist.

[@adamdadschannel8697]

LOL Excatly!

[@Menaceblue3]

@@MK_ULTRA420 So what you're saying is that you believe all conservative leaning individuals should be sent to the gulags and eat lobster for the rest of their lives!

[@sherwinhulley4921]

This interview was so satisfying! She asked difficult questions without pushing some agenda. She just wanted to get to his truth. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!

[@wazzlopiok240]

Not what I’d expect from what I’d describe as ‘interview barbie’.

[@ysycotik]

The truth* There's no such thing as unique individual truths..

[@sherwinhulley4921]

@@vivienneb6199 you felt patronized? That’s unfortunate for you, because I was being as sincere as possible.

[@THEbeautifuLIE]

“She just wanted to get *[THE]* truth.” People can have a subjective reaction to it, but that does not affect it’s validity. Everyone doesn’t have their own, personal “truth”, my friend.

[@sherwinhulley4921]

@@THEbeautifuLIE that depends. Philosophically “truth” isn’t an absolute. Anyone that understands the Principle of Polarity would have idea of what I’m referring to.

[@spencer6288]

Extraordinary interview! Margaret is one of the best journalists I've ever seen and she didn't misrepresent Dr. Peterson's statements, nor used the "so what you're saying is" cliche. Truly brilliant!

[@mattzahuranec9335]

This interview is EXACTLY why millions of people follow Mr.Peterson!!

[@unslavement]

Oyy

[@scatdawg1]

300k views

[@gabrielhaslam3852]

@@scatdawg1 that would be the amount of people following firing line

[@twelvetone]

@@scatdawg1 1.7Million followers just on Twitter.

[@jpe1]

@@twelvetone and having followers on Twitter means what? I've been told Donald Trump has many millions of followers on Twitter, doesn't mean he is a good person or has anything to say worth listening to. Peterson is a disgusting person who advocates reprehensible views (apparently just to make money), that fact that 1.7 million people follow him doesn't magically make the bile and vitriol flowing from him any less horrible.

[@GeorgesElchakieh]

The interviewer was wonderful, even if she did not agree with him, she let him speak. Refreshing.

[@clsr1911]

Her body language and phrasing indicate that she is actually interested in his answers, not leading with a biased agenda targeting gotchas and confirmation-bias for a particular side. Excellent work, questions, and overall interview. Subscribing based solely on how this interview was conducted.

[@tonydoberman21]

@@clsr1911 nailed it

[@Joseph_Omega]

@@tonydoberman21 Double Ditto. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@jjmikhail]

So what you're saying is...

[@canadianroot]

That nasally, whiny, American woman voice, though.

[@adriancastillo1957]

This is what an actual interview looks like! So refreshing!!!

[@jbthesfm]

It's nice to see an interviewer that doesn't try to attack him with talking points and actually listens to what he has to say. Bravo Margaret!

[@dang1861]

I was thinking the same thing. All of the liberal interviewers take what he says out of context and try to inject some different meaning

[@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866]

She really is the model of a brand of journalism that has fallen out of favor of the networks (for whatever reason). She interviews all sorts of guests, and she seems to be fair and balanced to all of them.

[@hittpitch1019]

Jonathan, I'm unfortunately much shallower than you. I was thinking, "Man, why can't ALL journalists look like THAT!!!" :D :D :D But, yes, she's a gem in terms of how she conducts the interview.

[@christianalmli9085]

@@dang1861 As someone who generally identifies as a liberal it's immensely depressing to see. And it's not like I'm a fan of pigeonholing or identifying with one group or another, but it becomes pretty damn difficult to illuminate and reign in the worse actors on the other side of the political table when such an obviously terrible and awful thing is eating away at my own side.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@christianalmli9085 Peterson talks about this in a chapter of his book... "clean your room", he says. He's talked about it in a number of interviews, without, as best as I recall, EVER poking it at any specific group. To perhaps oversimplify, he's referring to getting your own life/house in order before you go complaining about someone else's. This philosophy isn't new... but it is, I think, VERY profound... By the time a person ACTUALLY accomplishes this, they will have lived for YEARS, gained maturity, become responsible... become adults in EVERY meaning of the word... and have gained a lot of wisdom and experience along the way. More, they will have suffered pain... and almost certainly have learned compassion from that. By THEN, perhaps they will have actually learned HOW to go about fixing society's problems. One of the things that I see from the Left... or THINK that I see... is this virtue signaling. It's a CHEAP, EASY, FAST way to satisfy certain aspects of our natures... to FOOL ourselves into thinking that we ARE "good"... without actually putting in the EFFORT to truly BE "good". To put it another way, it's like having a broken leg, taking massive amounts of painkillers, then walking around that same broken leg... and doing far more damage in the process.

[@robertbentley3589]

Well done. No agenda. Like a breath of fresh air.

[@leskobrandon691]

I watched this specifically to see if this would be PBS interviewing Dr. Peterson or if it would be objective & rational & I have to say this was the most enjoyable interview of JP to date. Hat's off to the interviewer. A true professional.

[@terryschoenith5249]

It's Margret Hoover- she's always been a class act. Professionalism.

[@seanhogan4484]

Great interview, Margaret. You asked some great questions. It's not often Dr. Peterson pauses before answering but you made him pause a couple of times. It was a thoughtful interview.

[@MrMawnster]

She's a sassy lady, and sharp...but respectful and honest to pure journalism. One of the best interviews with Peterson I've seen I think.

[@temizim]

agreed. just thing how much more insight the average viewer would get if every interview was conducted like this one.

[@nathanking6670]

She was mostly respectful. Slightly sassy, yes but we didn't really see her sharpness. I think you are just overcomplimenting her because she's easy on the eye.

[@chrisisom992]

Very good interview, but not as entertaining as watching disrespectful journalists get confounded by Peterson. He's good at pushing them into their own traps.

[@howardnelson2942]

Thank you for thinķing you think. You do. Congratulations.

[@mjury67]

Props to Margaret Hoover. You are a shining star in the darkening world of journalism.

[@tolpacourt]

Eh. She seems pretty woke to me. PBS does not knowingly tolerate centrists in their organization.

[@mjury67]

@@tolpacourt don't much care what she believes or about PBS. Her questions were fair. He did most of the talking. That's what journalists do.

[@Thisiswhereweare1946]

@BVale unless Cheney or Dubya comes out of retirement we ain’t going to get anyone better

[@kirkjones9639]

Beautiful! An intelligent conversation, where both people brought something to the table. Thank you!

[@aznace15]

A wonderful interview Margaret. This is how interviewers should act: professional, respectful, engaging, non-interruptive. Great job all around.

[@markrussell3428]

totally agree - spectacular questions in their precision, delivery and follow-up, especially 17:20 and the set up that went with it. She was looking for his answers to questions rather than twisting his responses into what she wanted to hear. The follow up questions really were excellent.

[@kabang3]

well said.

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

That’s good to hear before watching.

[@cheezpegasusnetwork8105]

It is such a wonderful indicator when only 3 or 4 comments down, one reads such an obviously frank review.. Thank you for your honesty, very refreshing

[@madebyimagine2430]

Actually a seriously very good interview. Props to Margaret Hoover for listening properly and asking the right questions.

[@davidbroughall3782]

Cathy Newman should take a lesson.

[@franktaylor7978]

While she was better than Newman, much more fair to him. However she still needs to let him finish a sentence. She interrupts a lot and changes context too abruptly. The second he finishes a thought she leaves no pause or no response to acknowledge what he said and goes right into another unrelated question. Sounds like a robot.

[@JD-gw3fp]

@@franktaylor7978 Notice the interview was 30mins. Your standard Television show is an hour. You can understand that right?

[@desnock]

@@franktaylor7978 Actually she knew she had a window of time and wanted to get other questions in. Peterson is a bit wordy and if you let him ramble, he can take 2 hours on deconstructing his own confusion of the question. So kudos for her NOT letting him do that too much.

[@franktaylor7978]

LilyJoe no. Yes he is wordy. I still think just racing into another question without pause or acknowledgement isn’t a good way to do it.

[@adulttalks3348]

The guy is exceptional. My brain feels like it’s in the gym when I listen to him speak. Just regenerating and getting stronger

[@Kelso540]

Who is this woman and where are the rest of the ones like her? She's brilliant.

[@TheBetabox]

I understand your appreciation for a non-contentious interview, but settle down. She's decent, and genuine in her pursuit of understanding her guest...has the bar fallen so low that she constitutes "brilliant"?

[@hawkarae]

I'm crying I'm that surprised and thrilled to see him treated with respect and regard!

[@desnock]

@@TheBetabox Agreed that she seems a decent sort - but to be fair, she didn't really hold him to task as a journalist per se, but I don't mind the conversational framing - she may say she got more out of him by letting him get away with things - but she wasn't challenging him in several inconsistent remarks he made almost on top of each other.

[@thomasbrogan9102]

@@desnock eh.

[@cecilialang4110]

@@TheBetabox Of course not! She's a woman for God's sake!

[@steinfranken1108]

As a retired pastor, I so appreciate Dr. Peterson. I was distressed to hear of his illness and am so pleased to see he is well and again publicly espousing his ideas. I also very much appreciate what he has to say about faith. I think I understand, or at least I appreciate, his felt need for ambiguity in terms of a public profession of his faith. "I live as if God exists," is itself a very profound statement. As a pastor and theologian, I believe I can and do say more than that, but Dr. Peterson exhibits great intellectual discipline by refusing to allow himself to be forced to say what he is not ready to say or to say what lies beyond the bounds of his academic specialty. Anyway, glad to see you're back, Dr. Peterson. And by the way, the interviewer was tough but fair. Excellent video.

[@AmmoVanMagnus]

I enjoyed your post and thought you might appreciate this from Peterson. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnXCaqaer51jg7M

[@TugHillGuy]

This interview was from 8.3.18, before Peterson's illness. He's back now, but still struggling a bit with his health.

[@josephmorse4318]

I love that statement too. People who profess a faith in God, yet hide the bad things they do in secret belie that claim because God truly isn't real to them. I learned that when you're all alone where and when nobody can see or hear you except God, that's the person you truly are. If one truly believes in God and all that entails, then they will comport themselves in a manner that supports that belief in public and in private.

[@sarahnewton2550]

You can see how deeply impacted he has been by his own success, his message is really important and a hard sell for many, it’s taken a lot out of him

[@nicoleliedtke5687]

I AGREE WITH YOU FULLY

[@kyleowens9344]

Wonderful interview. Happy to hear Jordan speak. The man has saved so many lives...

[@markkaradimos9482]

If PBS had more programming like this, I would be able to return supporting it.

[@nyahhbinghi]

dont bet on it for the moment

[@tolpacourt]

It's good to encourage PBS to do more of these non hit piece interviews. Personally, I'm done with PBS/NPR. They will never get another dime from me.

[@tolpacourt]

Except through my taxes, of course, and that does bother me.

[@ozymandias6743]

Guess what!? You already support PBS, whether you like the content or not, taxpayer. 😁

[@Winterascent]

PBS and NPR have gone from at least somewhat middle to left, and soft. I am also done with PBS and NPR, especially. They're a fully Woke echo chamber.

[@jabrown]

20:24 "I'm not interested in joining a club, regardless of what the club is." GOD I LOVE THIS MAN

[@TheDatabaseDude]

@Grandfather_Din_Racket JP has experienced being a member of a club and at the same time also experienced living on the opposite side of the political spectrum. And he learned from it. In his younger days he was a card carrying, door-knocking member of the NDP. But he quit the NDP when he started to come to a realization as another famous "leftist turned conservative" did half a century before. George Orwell wrote in his book "The Road to Wigan Pier", "the tweed-wearing Socialist middle-class had no great love for the poor, they just hated the rich". JP gradually came to the same disillusionment as Orwell with "low-level party activists", and added "I think the modern left is even worse; they hate the successful and the competent, so much so that they would be willing to deconstruct the idea of success and competence just to tear the hierarchy down."

[@SliverQuick]

Dr. Peterson, We ALL love you, Sir! You're doing so much in helping so many people! I've been following your advice for years! Your words are changing lives! They are filled with light and love and understanding! I love ❤️ your beautiful soul! Thank you!

[@lbyvik]

I get so very very emotional listening to this man. I taught middle school for 25 years and FOUGHT LIKE CRAZY for the boys we are losing in this society. This man has opened my eyes to my personal failings and essentially has given me permission to take responsibility for my masculinity and my place in the world. He speaks truthfully and from his heart and mind. No agenda, other than the truth as he understands it.

[@DanielColageo]

Wow, thanks for posting. Glad for you, mate. Only by our personal influence in the world, will they get their needed change.

[@thorbeorn4295]

Exactly, my 3 sisters all have young boys and they are between 7-12 and already show signs of depression. They also have daughters but they thrive....

[@lbyvik]

@@thorbeorn4295 SHAME!! They need to be held up. Their masculinity Encouraged, offered adventure. Shown how to be a man and a gentleman. Schools encourage girls and discourage boys. They convince parents to drug them into pacification. They are told they are bad just because they are boys. More and more they have no way of venting their emotions physically. They are made to sit in rows all day at a time when they need and crave adventure, movement, challenges, and above all ......responsibility.

[@thorbeorn4295]

@@lbyvik exactly. It's sad as hell and child abuse...

[@Fin4L6are]

@Psychonaut well he also thought the source of his depression was psychological, turned out to be his diet. So he doesn't know all chemical interactions. He also never pushed pharmaceuticals onto others that I know of, I heard him merely say that in some cases drugs are life saving. It certainly shows a lack of competence though, not just him but all the other doctors that prescribe it including to him. He said the more responsibility the better in this interview, maybe if you need drugs to cope you took too much responsibility.

[@CreativeUsernameEh]

His explanation on why he didn’t like the direct question about his faith was marvelous.

[@ryanksiazek]

And incredibly theologically correct. Near perfection, really amazing if you know the Bible well.

[@desnock]

@@ryanksiazek Actually it was theologically incorrect, you are confusing dogma with theology. Happy to explain if you're interested. Religious apologism isn't even his fundamental argument, but the value of symbol that he's associated in much more Jungian terminology, which is admittedly irrational when it comes to religious value. It's why the fundamental argument is flawed - Jung's argument was itself valuable up to the point where the mystery was presumed to be truth without substantive means to test the veracity of the magical/spiritual claim. Something he struggled with in HIS life (struggling with his various neuroses and such) and Peterson's nihilism is fundamentally what he struggles with to try and FIND meaning. Anyways...

[@tonydeaton1967]

I have to say I was not expecting a PBS interview to be as objective as this one. Actual journalism for a change.

[@kingl.i.m7586]

One of the greatest minds of our time & this interview will become timeless… Thank you Margaret for this

[@OptionOracle]

You are absolutely correct. Timeless.

[@mrceresa1]

I can’t front, his mind is up there with mine. Brilliant

[@kenbranaugh8251]

You people know he's diagnosed schizophrenic right?. Do you know what a sociopath looks like? Some people don't.

[@danwhyte3524]

And thank you Mr Peterson for this!!!

[@2px_]

god he's so fucking smart it genuinely makes me scared at how people can't see how brilliant he is and his value to the world and what he's actually saying

[@DavidLCangelloMDFACSNewYork]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@laurasalo6160]

...and how much he truly CARES.

[@shamarialonz6929]

Dude, he is so intellectually inclined that its fucking scary.. His grade of reasoning and faculty of articulation is almost flawless. What i admire about him the most is his self proclaimed actualization of humility. I've heard him say on Ample occasions that "Im a very ignorant man" which only amplfied his level of intelligence.

[@jamesmatthew7616]

I think even they can see it. They work to try to discredit him because of the threat to their institutions and dogma.

[@j_freed]

If he can encourage more people to correctly use a decent vocabulary, to think independently and to compellingly articulate important truths - the ideologues will be powerless. The objective I think is not to sound like a clone of Dr. Peterson, but to function (more) like an educated person, in the classical sense of what that means.

[@Adair-o2f]

We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.

[@SpeakersAnonymous]

This is what I call a professional interview. Kudos to Margret Hoover for listening, not interrupting, and allowing for what we recognize as real dialogue and discussion as it should be done!!! Well done! More please.

[@nandorfekete8639]

When the interviewer introduced Peterson, I was like "Ah shit, here we go again". It's needless to say, my mind was completely changed very quickly. Excellent interview.

[@MrSchiff74]

Let´s see if I can bring you back to sanity again. You know he once claimed that cavemen 20.000yrs knew about DNA, they were drawing on walls in caves on all 7 continents? "Women 1950 were happier than women today," you know, when they had to put their children in fostercare when husbands left them coz of low wages, were put in mental institutions if the accused their fathers of sexually abusing them as children and had to handout a lot of blowjobs or spread their legs if they wanted job in higher places? "

[@Font-iw5wh]

I felt the same way. I was pleasantly surprised by the interview

[@Matthew-ij3zm]

@@MrSchiff74 You should have provided the source, cause honestly you just sound like an asshole trying to slander someone who sounds very reasonable. And judging by your comment, even you don't know what's an actual quote and what's just product of your desperate imagination.

[@MrSchiff74]

@@Matthew-ij3zm Here you go, this guy has put it all in one video for you, cavemen, womenhating, gay-hate and a bunch of more stupidity coming out of JP´s mouth. Are you man enough to watch the entire video? He shows videos of JP saying most of the stupid stuff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2eZmqabppmchZo

[@MrSchiff74]

@Peter L oh, you peterson-followers, there is always excuses....but,but,but.....and other people acting like they are superior to you, poor male-victim. He is pointing out actual things peterson has said an how unbelievably stupid they are. He is not called a pseudo-scientist for no reason, tapping into white male-victimhood, cashing in. Dave Ruben, worlds biggest idiot just bought mansion worth 5m dollars, let that sink in.

[@malcognito7210]

One of the good conversations with Jordan Peterson. When he is given challenging questions in good faith, he always rises to the opportunity. Thanks you for providing him this opportunity, Ms Hoover.

[@jordanrivas7398]

What an intelligent conversation. The interviewer does a great job asking questions, pressing for details when needed, and letting the subject answer in full.

[@brucetharp7610]

I enjoyed the interviewer. Her questions brought out the best of Dr. Peterson without attacking him.

[@shakir9161]

Nah, still has work to do with the stuttering accompanied by summing up Jordan’s ideas

[@ct3076]

@@shakir9161 calm down big man

[@dwash595]

@Bruce Tharp - Agree. This was not one of the usual 'all over the road' hit and run sort of Peterson interviews/videos that we usually have to sit through. Margaret knew exactly when to throw it into reverse, back up and run over it again until it was perfectly retreaded and ready to intersect new material.

[@re2399]

Bravo 👏🏻, Bravo 👏🏻, Bravo 👏🏻 this has got to be one of the most engaging, thought provoking, unbiased interviews I have sat & really listened to in time. Very Well done Margaret & Dr. Peterson.

[@DrMattBug]

Dear Margaret, William F Buckley would be proud that the legacy of this show is being kept in such good hands. You equipped yourself admirably in this interview.

[@ryusufov]

"So what you're saying is [insert accurate interpretation of words being said]?" Props to Margaret for knowing how to run a productive interview while still asking critical questions. upvoted

[@edwardglenn9310]

We were all waiting for it but you could tell early on that she had her head screwed on.

[@canoeman1961]

She didn't reinterpret every statement Dr. Peterson made. She just expanded on these statements to ask even more in-depth questions. Well done. And well prepared !

[@SquillyMon]

Oh brother dont start with that "so what you're saying is"...how painful it was for me to watch that other video

[@desnock]

@@SquillyMon I think that uninformed people have grasped that perspective far too ignorantly - repeating back what you thought someone said is a standard rhetorical device. it's a way to let the person who is doing the bad communicating (or someone who may not be aware of how their views are being received) respond to where they may have gone wrong. Sure, Peterson and folks who interview him are always bringing their own experience and perspective into the fray. Most of the journalists have a history of integrity, vs an alcoholic, who after years of education to become a clinical therapist, became drug addicted and a darling to far-right groups because they also want to ignore history in terms of the sins of the West and the Church. I mean, you gotta try and look at life objectively - not to say any POV or purveyor is perfect, certainly not. But there is a laziness in demonizing the other side based on the very identity politics that supposedly the rugged individualist should be against!

[@SquillyMon]

@@desnock Honestly, I think you lost me... I almost responded by writing "So what you're saying is"...but I did not, because I usually dont have trouble interpreting what someone is saying. Except for right now.

[@ricardomayandia5181]

It is so wonderful to listen to a woman with so kind inteligence and insight. She gets the thoughts out of the person she is tolking with. Such people should be suppoorted. Thank you so much.

[@uncleesmentalhealthnetwork6339]

This is the kind of interview that I wish every journalist or would be journalist would conduct. Informed, no malice and open-minded.

[@jeaniedelaney4711]

The mutual respect in this interview is a breath of fresh air.

[@stevea4123]

Dr. Jordan Peterson is one of the most important people on the face of the earth today. Im grateful for his wisdom and his ability to communicate it to all the people. The world just has to listen and think about it, individually, and we'll be okay.

[@dannyboysable]

This man has clear direct answers to basic life, he is amazing to watch

[@jeffersonstateofmind4057]

I love how precise Mr. Peterson’s language is. This man is speaking straight from his heart.

[@cnkis]

Jordan Peterson is my hero and a rock to all who will listen 👏👏👏👏👏

[@jasonthompson318]

I am extremely happy his health is back in order. I wish him a long and great life.

[@DieFlabbergast]

This is the most intellectually honest man I have ever heard.

[@MrSchiff74]

"women 1950 were much happier than women today"....Facts: Women 1950 were still pretty much under the heel of their fathers/husbands, had to send their children in fostercare when their husbands left them because they couldnt feed them, low wages, if fathers had power or well connected they could get their daughters locked up in mental-clinics if they accused their fathers of sexual abuse, female music/movie stars had to sleep with producers/directors to get big jobs (in other words, allow their penus to enter their vaginas) and so on, and so on.

[@StimParavane]

@@MrSchiff74 could you be any more of a simp for feminism? Historically inaccurate on multiple levels.

[@MrSchiff74]

@@StimParavane correct me about history, please?

[@Hereticbliss322]

@@MrSchiff74 prove yourself wrong by cracking open a history book and stop embarrassing yourself. The horseshit your 26 year old women’s studies professor told you in community college isn’t gonna fly here.

[@MrSchiff74]

@Bobby Rubarb Just read biographies of divas from that time, even the biggest, they talk about what was expected of them, stars of the biggest movies, singers on the biggest stage. You are just another sad young white male with no luck when it comes to women.

[@phillmargolese7207]

I cannot get enough. These conversations... are phenomenal. Where there is light... the dark will follow. I was afraid recently, but because of men like Dr. Peterson I can see a possibility for my sons & grandson. Thank you sir for all your efforts and commitment. You are appreciated.

[@valeriebeacham441]

Wow. Now that's an interview. It wasn't about her. She let him speak. He was never put on the defensive. Well done!!!

[@yammoyammamoto8323]

So you're saying...

[@danabartlett9772]

No kidding. She listened.

[@yammoyammamoto8323]

@Charlene Barnes I.... think that was what Valerie was getting at; that it was fresh to see an interview where Peterson gets to answer the questions fully, without misrepresentation. At least, that's how I read the comment.:)

[@Jahzyboy]

@Charlene Barnes dont criticize my king ever omg dont make me think!!!

[@valeriebeacham441]

@Charlene Barnes I just reread what I wrote. I meant to say that the interviewer allowed Peterson to express his thoughts and views without him having to defend himself. No judgment on her part.

[@JustJunuh]

This was phenomenal discourse. The interviewer asked all the right questions but was also open to letting Mr. Peterson speak for himself.

[@OlgaSmirnova1]

He left me speechless! He is been blessed with wisdom

[@atiyadwyer4281]

Love, love this man's mind. I learn something every time I listen to him talk.

[@Jitterzz]

Only 7 minutes in and this is already one of the most refreshing interviews I’ve seen in awhile. Finally, nobody’s screaming.

[@Nexus-hh1lx]

Surprisingly excellent. How can anyone despise this man? Disagree, yes. Despise?

[@CreativeUsernameEh]

It's when he makes arguments telling trans people they're not allowed to exist because transphobes get upset, or when he makes arguments that good change that comes at the cost of tradition isn't worth pursuing that he becomes loathsome. Imo.

[@marksauck8481]

Those who accuse him of the most ridiculous stuff probably never listen to him.

[@MrSchiff74]

"cavemen 20.000yrs ago knew about DNA, they were drawing it on their walls on all 7 continents"......no,no, we been listening.

[@Red_Devil_2011]

Well, the blue haired leftist harpies don't listen to him. But the rest of us used to be big fans, even... www.bitchute.com/video/5eD5Ng7kuGCm/

[@elgitar8838]

@@MrSchiff74 And you're not making an unreasonably absurd literal interpretation of a metaphor, there?

[@MrSchiff74]

@@elgitar8838 "I belive cavemen 20.000yrs ago knew abou DNA". This is a metaphor?

[@desnock]

And those who aptly criticize him for his many problematic issues have and have tried to detail them to a group who refuses to listen.

[@Usurper123]

This is the best MSM interview of Jordan Peterson I've ever seen.

[@kharilane1340]

PBS really isn't main stream media.

[@PlaneswalkerPRH]

I have been watching Dr Peterson's videos for almost 3 years now and met him in person in Oslo as well this year, but I must say this video has something so strong in it, it's probably one of the best I ever saw. Congratulations Mrs Hoover for making this possible, you did not try to set traps but just raised interesting points making it clear and simple for people to see who Dr Peterson is and what he is fighting for.

[@christianomlin484]

He is one of the few people alive whom I would love to meet.

[@cipriancioclu6847]

Refreshing to see someone who can have a conversation with Dr Peterson. Congrats to Margaret Hoover for that.

[@edwardjohn5]

Ms. Hoover seems to have been learning quite thoroughly about her guest. She really seems neutral and genuinely interested in her guest. This is among the best out here...

[@llaffallott]

I agree. I watch her on Firing Line weekly (PBS) - she does the WORK of preparing for the interviews she does, and it shows.

[@jaytsecan]

I'm no fan of Jordan Peterson - but I loved this video - there is so much to learn even from people you disagree with.

[@NoobBoobie]

This is a professional host, she never tried to put words in Jordan's mouth (like so many do) and seemed relatively unbiased, very proper. Well done for both parties

[@JamCooper]

She crushed this interview. I love when you can tell that the person sitting opposite Peterson actually either wants to learn something, or wants to get to the bottom of one of subjects. She's pushed him just the right amount. I just wish the interview was a bit longer.

[@Suscida]

Yeah it was a shame about the length!

[@YELLTELL]

@@Suscida that's what she said right b4 the bed broke...sorry couldnthelp myself. On a serious note he conveyed an unbelievable amount of honest trurthful information in that interview. I think more than some ppl can in a lifetime in my opinion.

[@mcaito]

This interview was obviously edited for time. Wish we could see the longer, 'director's cut.'

[@johnwindisman2803]

Margaret is one of the best interviewers around. She listens and asks applicable questions without an agenda of trying to ask the "gotcha" question. I wish all journalists were more like her. Nicely done and that makes the interview very informative.

[@MrCanadascott]

Listening to Dr Peterson just makes me feel good.

[@frankservant5754]

Just to show you how powerful an impact this man has I recently started making my bed after watching one of his lectures on getting your house in order. Ever since I was a kid my room was always a mess, not even my parents let alone my boarding masters could make me do my bed i just never felt like it. Fast forward and now I feel like it was one thing I was lacking, there is a huge cry from young men for mentors like Jordan, a man that young men will listen to and respect and i think that is the key. No ammount of force or threats will force a man to do anything if he doesn't want to unless he is told by somebody he respects. Respect is the key

[@grantrieko]

I started making my bed almost every the morning, and the positive effect is subtle, or course, but definitely impactful.

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

Why did they let you get away with it? Your parents and boarding school people, that is? Especially with a boy, it is so important to explain the rules and why they exist, then to enforce the rules by providing real consequences when they choose not to follow them.

[@MrGHOST678]

...lol,, there are various ways of looking at this,, 1: u wouldn't b able to make this informed decision without going through u'r rebellious childhood! 2: th reason u now look back and think it was 'th one thing u were lacking' is because u've learned over time how to conform to society! (nothing to b proud of imo,, lol) 3: it turns out it's better to leave ones bed UNMADE so it can breath instead of trapping all th dead skin cells etc. in between th sheets!!!

[@serpentines6356]

@@MrGHOST678 That's funny. That's what I've thought all these years. It's important to have your house in order, you can have your bed neat, and clean, and then just fold it back to let fresh air in. 😁

[@MrGHOST678]

@@serpentines6356 ...lol,, yes,, of course u can,, I'm just sooooo lazy!!!!

[@Sam-fq5qu]

You can tell the interviewer is attracted and mesmerized by Perterson's intellect.

[@LM-doodle]

Jordan’s wisdom is endless....such a joy to listen to him.

[@omniskeptic794]

For endless wisdom, it sure is ironic that you can hear exactly when the wisdom ends in the video. He intentionally avoids stating his opinion on the existence of god (that god doesn't exist) because he thinks the population can't handle it. It reeks of dishonesty and lines his pockets by pandering to his listeners.

[@antongegov2796]

I love the way she went through that interview. I adore when interviewers have adequate and normal discussions with Dr. Peterson. I love her!

[@felixtorres1895]

For the longest time we needed a voice this gentleman is answering the call very nicely.

[@vedantojha7351]

Everyone is a gangsta until jordan calmly explains why they are not .

[@wj3186]

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[@ead630]

Who's here after JP tweeted this video out and praised Hoover for her great interviewing skill?

[@kimmonurmi3074]

Yes, this is the best of journalism. 5/5 may i say.

[@JegoEXP]

Jordan Peterson is an amazing person. I’ve listened to many lectures and interviews, but every time I watch a new interview he says something that hits you in the heart. He has already pulled me out of dark places and continues to motivate me to become the person I want to be.

[@joannecrawford2001]

I'm going to tie my 25yo son to a chair and make him watch this amazing man!! I was shocked when I found out women apparently hated him, we all need some Jordan Petersen in our lives ~ he is pure heart and inspiration♥

[@djquick]

Jordan is a spectacularly amazing human. Earth is fortunate to have him.

[@Rachellangley82]

I really appreciate how civil she was! I’ve noticed many of his interviewers become quite combative. This was refreshing.

[@bradcarby3765]

Very sensible of her. Everyone that gets combative gets owned badly.

[@desnock]

@@bradcarby3765 Nah, Peterson embarrasses himself by his depressive angst. He's the best example of why his BS doesn't work. Lucky to be alive based on not what HE knows. Suspect that the inculcated don't care, but so it goes.

[@bradcarby3765]

@@desnock So why does some whiney old man make you so angry?

[@desnock]

@@bradcarby3765 wrong question, Brad. Why do folks listen to the archetypal grumpy bigoted uncle? Answer: only angry, lost never adulted folks with daddy issues do. The emotional reaction I feel is more pity than anger. Though cults of assholes and idiots should aggravate us all.

[@RB-bj9ms]

@@desnock Spoken like a true left wing liberal. He speaks truth, not BS, and it does work, just not on pitiful left wing liberals - their problem, not his.

[@Djieff]

One of the fairest interview of Jordan B. Peterson. Faith in humanity partially restored.

[@usmc2a]

Great interview. PBS showing the mainstream how it's done.

[@Transformyourmind1]

Amazing job by interviewer and interviewee. A thoughtful and enlightening discussion about important topics. The world needs more of this.

[@NickMurrayPhotographer]

That was a great interview. Lots of space for Jordan to express his thoughts without easy questions. More like this please!

[@nickmajora]

That whole part about weakness and fear of hell, I don't think I've heard anyone say it like that before, it was intense and impressive.

[@pumpjackmcgee4267]

This has to be one of my favourite Peterson interviews. Never knew this woman before, but have immediately gained massive respect for her. Good questions, and actually lets her guest fully express his thoughts.

[@dvp0]

She is absolutely honestly enjoying the conversation. The validation on her face when he says about maturation of men is priceless haha.

[@iloveSUVs]

"There are many on the Left who are fearful of you and your message now. I wonder if you have a reflection on why that is." "They have every reason to be."

[@richardhunter1467]

I always get a tiny tear when I listen to this man.

[@cormoran_strike]

An interviewer that actually tried to look into Jordan's perspective. Rare

[@mcuserton]

I'm impressed by how fair the interviewer was. Good job, PBS.

[@bradevans3815]

A very brave man with all the critics coming after him in force. Thank god he is insulated to a degree by so many common sensical people that love what he has to say and how refreshing his perspective is. And kudos for a non combative interview. Well thought out questions.

[@1776mh]

THIS is journalism. Good to see you back Dr. Peterson. God bless you.

[@julianvw3203]

So what you're saying is that this interview was more productive? Yes, yes it was.

[@GeorgesElchakieh]

😀 Touché

[@Smorans]

😂 this comment 👏🏻

[@derekgoff5866]

It’s so weird how conversations are better when your goal is learning and not getting a sound bite for Vice “journalists” to jerk off to.

[@johnmalcolm3116]

Phineas & ferb rule

[@loonielover4739]

@@derekgoff5866 You put that on a T-shirt and I'll buy it!

[@Ksearcy92]

EXCELLENT interview! This is, I think, the best interview I’ve seen of Peterson. She challenged him appropriately, not out of a personal political vendetta, but out of a sense of journalistic integrity. Well done. You’ve earned a subscriber.

[@allenmenefield4560]

“I tend to I say what I know and leave the rest alone” 🔥